[00:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: great, I'll work on the artwork tonight
[02:08] <bluesabre> Unit193, micahg: you guys around?
[02:16] <bluesabre> was wondering if you have an opinion on packaging lo-style-elementary with xubuntu-artwork.  The icon themes install a zip file and a link... would it be wrong to just provide the zip file as is in the package source, or should we actually do the "build" step of zipping up the icons in the rules file
[03:01] <bluesabre> crap, didn't think about this, but if it's going to be upstreamed, it won't work in xubuntu-artwork for one reason
[03:01] <bluesabre> libreoffice-style-elementary_15.10.1_all.deb
[03:01] <bluesabre> vs libreoffice 5
[03:02] <bluesabre> or maybe
[03:02] <bluesabre> since lo is already epoched
[03:02] <bluesabre> libreoffice_style_human: 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1
[03:03] <bluesabre> dashes that is, 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1libreoffice-style-human: 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1
[03:03] <bluesabre> :)
[03:16] <Unit193> https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary being the source?  I don't see a zip anyway, soo?
[03:41] <bluesabre> yeah, just feels weird since xubuntu-artwork doesn't currently do any building
[03:41] <bluesabre> so gotta make a makefile and whatnot
[03:41] <bluesabre> :)
[03:41] <bluesabre> ubuntu's overlay scrollbars are completely gone now, right?
[03:43] <bluesabre> well, the package still exists for them, so won't drop the patches yet
[03:47] <bluesabre> starting to wonder if numix 2.0 is ever going to be finished
[03:47] <bluesabre> :D
[03:47] <Unit193> :(
[03:56] <bluesabre> actually, looks like Albatross and Numix might be due for some new releases, been a while since their last releases and they have a few fixes between
[03:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[04:02] <bluesabre> I'll upload that tomorrow in case you want to hook me up with at least one of those ;)
[04:02] <bluesabre> I can at least do xubuntu-default-settings before I go to bed
[04:25] <bluesabre> heading to bed now, bbl
[04:26] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings uploaded, should bring lots of nice fixes to tomorrow's image
[13:11] <bluesabre> I might finish this artwork package sometime today
[13:11] <bluesabre> :)
[14:37] <bluesabre> micahg: do you have any feedback on https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/wily/revision/288 ?
[14:38] <bluesabre> adds libreoffice-style-elementary to xubuntu-artwork
[14:38] <bluesabre> I imagine I'll have to raise a conversation up with ubuntu-devel and the lo packaging team before this gets accepted when I upload it
[15:17] <micahg> bluesabre: is there a reason for this not to be its own sourcE?
[15:19] <micahg> also, I think it should be Enhances: libreoffice-core, not Recommends
[15:21] <bluesabre> micahg: I copied libreoffice-style-human's recommends
[15:21] <micahg> sounds like that's wrong too :)
[15:22] <bluesabre> micahg: no particular reason for it to not be its own source, but work is underway to include it in libreoffice upstream
[15:22] <micahg> ah, that's good news
[15:25] <bluesabre> probably won't be included before 5.0 if I had to guess :)
[15:26] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can make this it's own source package if we'd like.  I included it in xubuntu-artwork since the elementary theme is in xubuntu-icon-theme (xubuntu-artwork source package)
[15:33] <micahg> ok, one of the things with a source is that it should connect to an upstream, is this the same upstream as the elementary theme?
[15:33] <micahg> usually the homepage and Vcs-* fields are used to reflect the upstream
[15:34] <micahg> if Xubuntu is upstream, that's fine, but I don't think that's the case here
[15:35] <bluesabre> shimmerproject is upstream for the icon theme and lo theme, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary
[15:36] <bluesabre> we do snapshots of the icon theme and commit that to lp:xubuntu-artwork
[15:36] <bluesabre> shimmer is knome and ochosi
[15:36] <micahg> ah, you mentioned a zip file before
[15:37] <micahg> if we're upstream, yeah, it's fine in xubuntu-artwork
[15:37] <bluesabre> yeah, instead of doing the zip snapshot, I included the source and added a makefile to build and install the zip
[15:37] <bluesabre> but i'm flexible ;)
[15:38] <micahg> oh, lo needs the zip?
[15:38] <bluesabre> yeah, lo icon themes are contained and read from the zip file (and an associated symlink
[15:39] <micahg> I have to run now, I'll have to take a look later (we should probably fix LO needing a zip for icons...)
[15:39] <micahg> we == Ubuntu
[15:40] <bluesabre> is there anything we can do about that? it's like that upstream with LO
[15:40] <micahg> so, at the moment, I think the only suggestion I have is to change recommends to enhances, but I can look at some other packages later to verify
[15:40] <bluesabre> ok
[15:40] <micahg> yeah, well, we have an LO dev on the desktop team 
[15:40] <bluesabre> I'll be around most of the day, so you can ping me anytime
[15:40] <bluesabre> cool
[15:40] <micahg> ok, probably back in 6-7 hours
[15:40] <bluesabre> k, have fun!
[19:36] <ochosi> evening all
[19:38] <knome> hey ochosi 
[19:40] <ochosi> hey knome 
[19:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks for all the updates
[19:41] <ochosi> i talked to satya about numix, he's still planning to finish the SASS port (aka v2) as soon as possible, but i guess he's also busy with work atm
[19:42] <ochosi> also, i don't think our icon theme for LO will make it upstream for 5.0
[19:42] <ochosi> maybe for later
[19:43] <ochosi> i can take another look at albatross, but we're not even installing that one by default anymore
[19:43] <ochosi> so i'm not sure i really wanna spend time on that
[19:44] <knome> maybe i'll look at it some point...
[19:44] <ochosi> k, perfect :)
[19:44] <knome> maybe!
[19:45] <knome> no promises
[19:50] <ochosi> sure sure
[19:50] <ochosi> as always
[19:51] <knome> ;)
[19:51] <knome> anything you'd fancy working on today, or shall i look for something to do with other hobbies? :)
[19:55] <ochosi> heh
[19:55] <ochosi> could do something
[19:56] <ochosi> atm i wanna investigate why status.ubuntu doesn't receive updates anymore
[19:56] <ochosi> not really sure anymore who to ask
[19:56] <ochosi> forgot who was in charge of that
[19:57] <knome> right...
[19:57] <knome> iirc, chrisccoulson
[19:58] <knome> and others
[19:58] <knome> https://launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker
[19:58] <knome> i guess i forgot :)
[19:58] <knome> pitti, cjohnston and apw
[19:58] <ochosi> would suck if that were retired
[19:59] <knome> mmmeehh.
[19:59] <knome> yeah.
[19:59] <ochosi> after all, that was one of the main drivers of using launchpad blueprints for progress tracking
[19:59] <ochosi> (apart from bug-linking)
[19:59] <knome> otoh, it doesn't sound like a task TOO big to set that up, considering the LP API actually works
[19:59] <knome> i could look at that briefly today
[20:00] <ochosi> you mean setting it up for ourselves?
[20:00] <knome> yep
[20:00] <ochosi> *if* we do it, then i'd say let's improve the css dramatically :)
[20:00] <knome> likely not the same codebase, but something
[20:00] <knome> yeah
[20:00] <knome> and the usability generally
[20:00] <ochosi> and let's integrate it into x.org/development or something
[20:00] <knome> right...
[20:01] <knome> considering the code needs to go through the IS, i can't promise how soon that'll happen
[20:01] <ochosi> sure
[20:01] <knome> but we can surely set it up *somewhere*
[20:01] <ochosi> well, we can set it up elsewhere meanwhile
[20:01] <knome> yes
[20:05] <knome> hmm.
[20:05] <knome> i must have done some lp hacking already
[20:05] <knome> this looks so familiar
[20:06] <ochosi> so you're already looking?
[20:07] <knome> oh right, *that*...
[20:07] <knome> yeah, i am
[20:07] <knome> just briefly, remind you
[20:08] <knome> pffft
[20:09] <ochosi> hhmm, albatross would really need a lot of attention in order to be okay again
[20:10] <knome> yep...
[20:10] <ochosi> no rules for .flat buttons, etc etc
[20:10] <knome> oh stupid
[20:10] <ochosi> toolbars have the wrong bg in gtk3
[20:10] <ochosi> even many linked buttons don't look alright
[20:18] <ochosi> plus indicators are seemingly broken
[20:18] <ochosi> which might be the worst part
[20:25] <ochosi> ok, fixed that latter part
[20:25] <knome> hah
[20:25] <knome> well if that was the worst part...
[20:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: only mentioned albatross because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1314977/comments/1
[20:26] <bluesabre> ;)
[20:26] <ochosi> oh right
[20:26] <ochosi> heh
[20:31] <ochosi> fixing the .flat style now
[20:32] <ochosi> then we can upload a new version of it
[20:32] <bluesabre> nice
[20:35] <ochosi> ok, please give this a spin now
[20:35] <ochosi> should work quite a bit better
[20:35] <ochosi> but tbh i haven't looked very closely cause greybird and albatross are already massively out of sync
[20:36] <ochosi> so it's hard to say whether i got everything right
[20:36] <ochosi> (rebasing is not an option)
[20:36] <ochosi> (at least not for me)
[20:37] <bluesabre> :)
[20:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: so what was the conclusion today wrt LO icons? xubuntu-artwork for now?
[20:39] <ochosi> also, this one should be marked fix released as soon as you upload greybird 1.6
[20:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: will do
[20:42] <bluesabre> yeah, xubuntu-artwork
[20:42] <bluesabre> albatross seems ok to me
[20:42] <ochosi> meh, no button-default style 
[20:43] <ochosi> this theme is really lacking in so many aspects
[20:44] <sorinello> what are you working i guys ?:)
[20:44] <sorinello> *on
[20:45] <bluesabre> one of our legacy gtk themes
[20:45] <ochosi> different things, currently artwork/theme updates
[20:46] <sorinello> that's nice. so you're doing design work ? 
[20:46] <knome> the LP API is pretty generous on the data... https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+spec/topic-w-flavor-xubuntu/dependencies
[20:46] <bluesabre> knome: nice
[20:47] <sorinello> I only see an unformatted json here :)
[20:47] <knome> i said "API"
[20:47] <ochosi> knome: sweet, looking forward to a first draft of our own status page ;)
[20:47] <knome> it'll be done by the end of the week
[20:47] <knome> no kiddinf
[20:47] <knome> *kidding
[20:48] <sorinello> so you're working on the future version of xfce I take it ?
[20:48] <sorinello> or this is xubuntu related
[20:48] <knome> this is minor play compared to the API i used to scrape off information last week...
[20:48] <bluesabre> sorinello: xfce development is on #xfce-dev, this is xubuntu-related development and updates on this channel :)
[20:49] <bluesabre> (sometimes overlaps, but not at this moment)
[20:49] <sorinello> yeah, I know. But Xubuntu doesn't use the vanilla xfce ? 
[20:50] <ochosi> no
[20:50] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[20:50] <ochosi> try fedora, that's supposedly vanilla xfce
[20:50] <sorinello> I thought fedora uses KDE
[20:51] <sorinello> thanks for the link.
[20:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: just to make it easier for you: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross/releases/tag/v1.7.4
[20:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: nice, thanks a lot!
[20:54] <bluesabre> I'll upload with this then
[20:54] <ochosi> good good
[20:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: ubuntu's overlay scrollbars... are they completely gone as of wily?
[20:54] <ochosi> i think they should be
[20:54] <ochosi> not sure whether they've taken them out of the archive already though
[20:55] <ochosi> but we could ask larsu or Laney tomorrow
[20:55] <bluesabre> still in the archive, so I suppose we should carry the patches for them a bit longer
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[20:56] <ochosi> well, could be that they drop it at some point
[20:56] <bluesabre> I'll upload shimmer-themes later tonight, look for them tomorrow with some closed bug reports
[20:56] <ochosi> but i think some u-dev folks were unhappy with the gtk3 scrollbars
[20:56] <ochosi> nice
[20:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: understandably, they're pretty bad compared to what ubuntu had before
[20:58] <bluesabre> but meh :D
[20:58] <ochosi> even with adwaita?
[20:58] <bluesabre> adwaita's fine since they are 2px wide, but then they are crappy for clickable scrollbars
[20:59] <ochosi> oh, they're always 2px wide?
[20:59] <bluesabre> I'd have to check again
[20:59] <bluesabre> no hurry to do that though
[20:59] <ochosi> right, that's not very a11y friendly i guess
[20:59] <ochosi> wonder what hicontrast theme does
[21:08] <ochosi> ok, hicontrast also has a 2px scrollbar
[21:10] <ochosi> i guess in most cases thin scrollbars are ok
[21:10] <ochosi> but i guess some folks still wanna click and drag scrollbars...
[21:11] <ochosi> oh crap
[21:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, it's a theming issue
[21:11] <ochosi> adwaita does what i would expect it to do
[21:11] <ochosi> thin scrollbar when the mouse isnt there, when you hover, it extends and becomes clickable
[21:11] <ochosi> guess i'll add that too for greybird 1.6.1
[21:12] <bluesabre> ah
[21:12] <bluesabre> that sounds not as bad then
[21:12] <ochosi> that's pretty ideal if you ask me
[21:18] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbabl
[21:36] <ochosi> right, so ambiance also hasn't been patched for those scrollbars (the scss makes for some complex css), hence the complaints about it i guess
[21:38] <ochosi> anyway, time to go to sleep
[21:39] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[21:40] <ochosi> night knome 
[23:24] <bluesabre> and I'm back
[23:25] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[23:44] <bluesabre> :(
[23:44] <knome> what?
[23:44] <bluesabre> shimmer-themes is out of the xubuntu packageset again
[23:44] <knome> aha...
[23:44] <bluesabre> micahg: can you take a look at that? :)
[23:45] <bluesabre> somehow it keeps getting taken over by the kubuntu packageset http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/wily/kubuntu
[23:46] <micahg> bluesabre: sure
[23:46] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:50] <bluesabre> bbiab