[01:45] <kingogames> hey has anyone installed ubuntu touch on a samsung galaxy s6?
[03:00] <maestro_> was just thinking how awesome it would be to have a "ubuntu tablet" to complement the smartphone and desktop
[03:00] <maestro_> is one in the making? i hope so
[03:05] <nhaines> Probably not, because nothing's really being done on the Nexus 7, except that it would benefit convergence.
[03:09] <ahoneybun> nhaines: did you not see the preview for the next OTA-5?
[06:08] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[06:09] <nhaines> sturmflut2: good morning!
[06:11] <svij> morning sturmflut2 and nhaines
[06:11] <nhaines> svij: _o/
[07:28] <robin-hero> Hey all. When we can expect the new OTA?
[07:36] <Tm_T> robin-hero: today?
[07:36] <robin-hero> Tm_T: Yeah, but before 12 o'clock, or after ? :)
[07:37] <Tm_T> robin-hero: educated guess: depending on your timezone before or after
[07:37] <robin-hero> Tm_T: :D
[07:37] <Tm_T> kidding, I assume it's british afternoon
[07:37] <Tm_T> for MX4, earlier for BQ
[07:42] <tsdgeos> sil2100: morning! mzanetti asked me to do the testing pass for silo 48 (row 40) today since he is off but i see on the spreadsheet it is marked as Testing pass, maybe he did have time on friday evening to test it? Can you confirm silo 48 (row 40)  is good from our side and only waiting for QA?
[07:44] <sil2100> tsdgeos: sure
[07:44] <tsdgeos> good then, that was easy :)
[07:45]  * tsdgeos checks one todo item
[08:08] <sil2100> tsdgeos: everything looks ok, I think he found time to test it as it was him that marked it as ready for QA
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Space Exploration Day! 😃
[09:53] <dexteruk_> Hi Everyone, I really dont know how to start this conversation.  I have been developing voip solutions for years.  VOIP has some really big issues when it comes to mobile devices mainly the operating system
[09:54] <dexteruk_> I know there is a VOIP client being develop for Ubunto Touch, but i wanted to see if we can strick up a conversation about it
[09:56] <dexteruk_> Big problem with VOIP, especially in a mobile enviroment, if the OS has no understanding of traffic shapping wish is unlikly based on the processing power at hand, how can we ensure that theOS
[09:56] <dexteruk_> provides priority for the Voice conversation over background tasks such as email, updates and other downloading streams that are going one
[09:56] <dexteruk_> on
[09:56] <jgdx> dexteruk_, for higher visibility, maybe make this an email to ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net ?
[09:57] <ogra_> dexteruk_, i think this would be better suited for a mail discussion on the mailing list
[09:59] <ogra_> dednick, note that we (have to) use the android WIFI drivers, so we are limited to their features
[10:00] <ogra_> err dexteruk_ ^^^
[10:05] <dexteruk_> ogra_: I dont think worrying about voip at a driver level is really worth the effort, but from an OS point of view, when you try or recieve a call other backgroups actions could be suspended.  Android fails in this regard as you can right 1000 Voip apps, but if you on a  call and android decides to dowload updates you have no control over this and limited bandwidth now becomes non
[10:06] <dexteruk_> Besides you have no ability to control other traffic on the wifi
[10:06] <ogra_> well, you said traffic shaping :)
[10:08] <dexteruk_> so you will have to just take your chances.  i dont think traffic shapping is worth the effort, primarlly because of the changing infrastructure and processing power availible.  I think much higher level functions need to be created to make sure other apps dont use the bandwidth while trying to make calls
[10:23] <robin-hero> sil2100: When we expect about the OTA5?
[10:23] <ogra_> oh, the impatient ...
[10:23] <sil2100> robin-hero: hey! I just copied over the BQ images to stable ;)
[10:23] <sil2100> Release notes will be published in a moment
[10:24] <robin-hero> \o/ :D
[10:24] <sil2100> And arale (Meizu) images will be promoted later today, as there's still something QA needs to finish testing
[10:30] <jgdx> pete-woods, no module named powerd? Is that why 46 is failing?
[10:31] <jgdx> looking at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/212087029/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.indicator-network_0.5.2%2B15.10.20150720.1-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:39] <touh> hello i has an problem with ubuntu touch my resolution on my tablet is to small can u help?
[10:40] <Kniple> Hey guys, how come you can't put login details when connecting to a wifi in the interface on ubuntu touch?
[10:40] <Kniple> or am I just missing something?
[10:41] <pete-woods> jgdx: just rebased my code to clean up some stuff, and messed up the tests
[10:41] <pete-woods> will try again
[10:42] <jgdx> Kniple, what happens?
[10:43] <Kniple> jgdx: well, nothing... really. I pull down the wifi settings and connect to my network, and nothing just happens (it seems to be getting an IP adress), could there be some problem with non WPA/PSK connections?
[10:44] <Kniple> Cause the network I try connecting to has a WPA2-Enterpris AES protection.
[10:46] <jgdx> Kniple, there should be a fix for that landing shortly.
[10:48] <Kniple> jgdx: aight, I guess I could manually enter the details of the connection through the /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections?
[10:48] <Kniple> The actual connection might work, just that the interface doesnt prompt properly?
[10:49] <Kniple> alos, is there some kind of Release Schedule anywhere? so you can anticipate the updates?
[10:49] <ogra_> Kniple, roughly every 6 weeks ...
[10:50] <ogra_> a release is just gooing out
[10:50] <Kniple> aight
[10:50] <ogra_> *going
[10:50] <Kniple> like, right now?
[10:50] <ogra_> (for the bq phones right now, for meizu later today)
[10:50] <Kniple> ah, splendid!
[10:50] <Kniple> I'll look forward to it :)
[10:52] <jgdx> Kniple, please let us know how it went. You can enter details manually in system-connections.
[10:52] <Kniple> I'll try, seems my adb shell isnt up to the task of connecting to the phone though, might be because its on windows idk
[10:55] <jgdx> Kniple, you need to enable developer mode (System Settings -> About -> …)
[10:55] <Kniple> I have
[10:55] <touh> help
[10:55] <Kniple> Also added the usb id of the phone to the adb_usb.ini
[10:55] <Kniple> (got an meizu mx4)
[10:55] <Kniple> touh: sup?
[10:56] <touh> i have an problem with ubuntu touch my resolution on my tablet is to small can u help?
[10:56] <Kniple> which tablet do you have?
[10:57] <touh> tab 2 7.0 p3110
[10:57] <Kniple> samsung galaxy?
[10:57] <touh> yes
[10:58] <Kniple> What do you mean by "its too small"? like too low resolution?
[10:58] <touh> yes
[10:58] <touh> like 800x600
[10:58] <touh> i triyed raring right now and i dont boots anymore
[11:00] <touh> i will take an pic in 1 minute :)
[11:04] <touh> hi?
[11:05] <ogra_> i doubt the port for that device has been updated to anything functional
[11:05] <ogra_> forget about anything before utopic ...
[11:07] <robin-hero> sil2100: Where can I find the OTA changelog?
[11:07] <ogra_> robin-hero, will be released later today
[11:07] <sil2100> robin-hero: still generating ;)
[11:07] <robin-hero> okay :)
[11:07] <sil2100> Some google issues make it really troublesome...
[11:09] <touh> http://imgur.com/au7FfQT here's the pic
[11:11] <conyoo> cool scissors! :D can you make another photo?
[11:12] <conyoo> with the scissors
[11:12] <touh> please help me :(
[11:12] <jgdx> touh, as ogra_ said: Anything before the Ubuntu version Utopic Unicorn (14.10) is not going to work well.
[11:12] <conyoo> he dead :(
[11:13] <ogra_> touh, thats a non-funnctional demo image anyway ... as i said above, anything before utopic wont be of much use
[11:13] <ogra_> (and i doubt there is an image for your device that new)
[11:15] <toch> hi sorry pc error now an u help me>
[11:15] <Kniple> jgdx: didn't work with manually entering stuff, would I need to reload the wireless module or anything for it to refresh the settings?
[11:15] <toch> yes but i have an other problem with my tabelt
[11:17] <jgdx> Kniple, might have to kick network manager. sudo service network-manager restart
[11:17] <toch> help please
[11:21] <toch> please
[11:22] <toch> PLEAS :(
[11:22] <jgdx> !patience | toch
[11:22] <ogra_> toch, what other help do you need?
[11:22] <toch> well i have an tab 2 7.0 with ubuntu touch and the resolution is too small. here is an pic : http://imgur.com/au7FfQT
[11:24] <ogra_> toch, well, that image wioll not work anyway, not worth trying to fix it ... it is a non-functional demo ... the first images that are usable are the 14.10 ones (utopic and newer)
[11:25] <toch> did u see the pic?
[11:25] <ogra_> the "apps" you can start there are all just screenshots
[11:25] <ogra_> nothing will run on such an old image
[11:25] <toch> ok is there any way to install ubuntu touch original on ta 2 7.0 p3110 ?
[11:26] <ogra_> yes i saw the pic, it clearly shows that you use a non functionsl demo
[11:26] <toch> ok is there any way to install ubuntu touch original on tab 2 7.0 p3110 ?
[11:26] <toch> yes that is ubuntu touh 13.10
[11:26] <ogra_> if you can find someone who did a port of womething more recent like 14.10 or newer
[11:26] <ogra_> *something
[11:27] <ogra_> trying to fix a 13.10 image is wasted time
[11:28] <toch> please i will start making apps for it please.
[11:29] <ogra_> well, find a newer port or  get a supported device then
[11:29] <ogra_> apps wont run on that version
[11:30] <toch> ubuntu 13.10 is the lattest verion for tab 2 7.0 p3110(i think)
[11:30] <ogra_> yes, and that version was only a demo
[11:32] <toch> ?
[11:32] <ogra_> it can not run any of the current apps
[11:33] <davmor2> toch: We do not create the images for devices that are not supported by canonical.  So you would need to either find a newer version, build a newer version, or find someone else willing to build a version fro that device or purchase a supported device
[11:33] <toch> ok is thre any way to install ubuntu on tab 2 7.0 p3110
[11:34] <toch> how to build an image?
[11:34] <ogra_> only if you port it or fine someone who ported a newer version
[11:34] <toch> i have ubuntu 15.04 if matters on this p
[11:34] <ogra_> *find
[11:34] <toch> i have ubuntu 15.04 if matters on this pc
[11:34] <conyoo> toch, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:34] <ogra_> porting means you need to know a lot about android and about ubuntu ... there is a link to the porting guide in the channel topic
[11:35] <toch> i need to have android on tab 2 7.0?
[11:35] <ogra_> you need the drivers
[11:35] <conyoo> toch please keep us updated with your porting progress!
[11:35] <toch> ok :))))
[11:35] <ogra_> well, read the guide first
[11:35] <toch> i will install android on tab 2 7.0
[11:36] <ogra_> porting is not trivial ... you nered a lot of experience and knowledge
[11:36] <ogra_> *need
[11:36] <ogra_> so read the guide and see if you think you can do it
[11:36] <Lemmy> Hey, does anyone know at what time OTA5 will be released?
[11:36] <toch> ok im and android developer and i make my own roms for android an i make a lot of ubuntu based oses :)
[11:37] <conyoo> Lemmy, for bq now for meizu later today
[11:37] <ogra_> Lemmy, for bq phones it should already be out
[11:37] <conyoo> ha!
[11:37] <conyoo> me first
[11:37]  * ogra_ high fives conyoo 
[11:37] <conyoo> :D hi5 ogra_
[11:37] <Lemmy> Hm, i don't get it on my bq
[11:37] <ogra_> Lemmy, on the stable channel ?
[11:37] <Lemmy> yes
[11:38]  * ogra_ sees people posting on G+ with their updates
[11:38] <conyoo> yep https://plus.google.com/+MarcinTydelski/posts/bCwUpgPyrRA?pid=6173541537075980594&oid=111581969080302880183
[11:38] <ogra_> (my own bq is on rc-proposed so i cant see if teh stable update went out)
[11:40] <davmor2> ogra_: it happened
[11:40] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah,. i thought so
[11:45] <Lemmy> I rebooted my phone and now i see the update :/
[11:45] <Lemmy> *:)
[11:45] <ogra_> yay
[11:45] <Kniple> aaw man, how long intil the meizu update ogra_?
[11:46] <ogra_> later today ... davmor2 is slacking, its not finished with QA yet :)
[11:46] <Kniple> stop slacking davmor2
[11:46] <ogra_> (finally i can once blame davmor2 )
[11:47] <Kniple> I need to get a hold of a linux computer, gotta see if its because of my windows install of android-sdk that I can't adb shell into it
[11:47] <davmor2> ogra_: hey not my fault that you broke it :P
[11:47] <ogra_> i only break snappy nowadays
[11:47] <ogra_> (and in way more exciting ways than i ever broke touch :P )
[11:47] <toch> how to download stuff from ubuntu one
[11:48] <ogra_> toch, ubuntu one file service has been ended around the 13.10 timeframe ...
[11:50] <toch> i need an file from it
[11:50] <conyoo> toch,  ubuntu one is dead :(
[11:50] <toch> NOOOOO MY FILES!
[11:51] <conyoo> R.i.P
[11:51] <ogra_> it was announced over 12 months and users got several mails about this
[11:51] <davmor2> toch: You would of had about 5 Emails from Canonical saying it was being closed get you files now
[11:51] <popey> http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[11:51] <robin-hero> What will be the new release numbers for MX4, E5 and Neuxs4? #2, #4 and #21?
[11:52] <robin-hero> I know for E4.5 it is #24.
[11:52] <ogra_> robin-hero, the release announcement will tell you ;)
[11:52] <ogra_> sil2100 usually puts the mapping in there
[11:53] <sil2100> robin-hero, ogra_: the announcement e-mail sent
[11:53] <robin-hero> ogra_: But I want to publish my article about the update and I need this info :)
[11:53] <robin-hero> sil2100: Thanks, I'll check it
[11:53] <sil2100> The release notes have the image numbers, but still no for MX4 as the copy didn't happen yet
[11:53] <sil2100> QA still testing the new arale image ;)
[11:53] <sil2100> Once they give me a +1 I'll copy it over and update the release notes page
[11:53] <Kniple> jgdx: tried a bunch of things now, doesnt seem to work, furthest I got was it prompting for a password (which didn't work.)
[11:54] <jgdx> Kniple, okay. I'd recommend removing the system-connections file and waiting for the upgrade, which, according to the log^ is, is coming shortly.
[11:54] <Kniple> yeah
[11:54] <Kniple> I'll do that
[11:54] <Kniple> See if I can get any connection at all going which it can connect to :D
[11:55] <jgdx> Kniple, if you still experience problems using the correct credentials, it would be awesome if you could create a bug. I can guide you through it.
[11:55] <Kniple> I'll just try a couple of more things jgdx, so I am sure I'm not the problem!
[11:56] <robin-hero> What is the actual release number for MX4? #1 or #2?
[11:56] <jgdx> Kniple, NetworkManager will talk a lot in syslog, so check there for more details.
[11:56] <robin-hero> Because I thought it is #1, but I see release 2 in the system-images website.
[11:56] <ogra_> robin-hero, http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en/arale/ ... looks like it will become #3
[11:57] <Kniple> yeah, its problematic to have to go back and check things there, since adb shell wont connect (and I aint got a physical keyboard for it), so I'll fix things when I get home,
[11:57] <conyoo> r3
[11:58] <jgdx> Kniple, adb devices empty?
[11:58] <Kniple> yup
[11:58] <sil2100> robin-hero: the current for MX4 is #2, so OTA-5 should be #3
[11:58] <robin-hero> sil2100, ogra_ Thanks
[11:58] <jgdx> Kniple, changed the usb port?
[11:58] <Kniple> I've tried a load of different ones, usb3, 2 etc.
[11:59]  * ogra_ would recommend a VM instll of a minimal ubuntu 
[11:59] <ogra_> *install
[12:00] <Kniple> for the adb shell?
[12:00] <ogra_> yeah
[12:00] <Kniple> yeah, on windows atm, everything is so broken here.
[12:00] <ogra_> recent virtualbox should be able to directly route the USB port to the VM
[12:00] <Kniple> I'll try that
[12:00] <Kniple> Ubuntu works best with ubuntu phones, or would could I run any flavor?
[12:01] <ogra_> well, for just adb access you could even run a server install and just pull in the android-tools-adb package from the phablet-tools PPA
[12:01] <Kniple> yeah
[12:02] <Kniple> oh dear, I wonder if this laptop can handle a virtual machine
[12:02] <Kniple> I hope so
[12:28] <robin-hero> Just updated to r24 on E4.5. but the phone doesn't mount my SD card. If can see it in the SD card app, but I can't umount it, "the device could not be unmounted because is busy".
[12:30] <dadexix86> robin-hero, did it finish scanning it?
[12:31] <robin-hero> dadexix86: Don't know. I put it in and it doesn't show the popup about the new card.
[12:32] <ogra_> are notifications for it enabled in your system-settings ?
[12:33] <robin-hero> ogra_: Yes, and I my /media and /mnt folders are empty
[12:33] <ogra_> weird
[12:35] <Kniple> hum, doesnt look like the ubuntu vm finds the device either
[12:36] <ogra_> what kind of VM do you use ?
[12:36] <Kniple> virtualbox
[12:36] <Kniple> with ubuntu 14.04
[12:36] <ogra_> i think virtualbox needs some guest addoons installed inside
[12:37] <Kniple> did install those
[12:37] <Kniple> ubuntu finds the device
[12:37] <Kniple> but adb doesnt
[12:37] <ogra_> did you install the PPA version ?
[12:38] <Kniple> I just installed the one called phablet-tools from the typical apt repo
[12:38] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools
[12:38] <ogra_> you want the version from that PPA
[12:38] <Kniple> aight
[12:39] <ogra_> android-tools-adb is the package
[12:39] <ogra_> and if you want to use mtp in the VM, also the libmtp package
[12:39] <Kniple> mtp is file transfer, right?
[12:39] <ogra_> yes
[12:40] <ogra_> UI file transfer though
[12:40] <Kniple> don't think I need that, but thanks
[12:40] <ogra_> right
[12:41] <CivicEg6> Hello
[12:41] <Kniple> I can't find the android-tools-adb package there, :(
[12:41] <Kniple> hello
[12:41] <CivicEg6> I'm sorry my english is very bad
[12:41] <CivicEg6> I'm french
[12:42] <jgdx> Kniple, did you apt-get update?
[12:42] <Kniple> oh, uh, probably not
[12:42] <ogra_> :)
[12:42] <jgdx> :)
[12:43] <CivicEg6> Someone has information on touch ubuntu on Galaxy S5 ?
[12:47] <CivicEg6> anyone ?
[12:48] <ogra_> !device | CivicEg6
[12:48] <ogra_> !devices | CivicEg6
[12:48] <ogra_> (sorry)
[12:52] <CivicEg6> thank you ogra_
[12:52] <ogra_> i doubt anyone has done a port to the S5 though
[12:53] <CivicEg6> apparently it is in development yard
[13:04] <Kniple> huh, adb now works, but I've notice you can't use the keyboard on the actual phone (it doesnt show up when you select a text sensitive dialogue box.) is that a known bug?
[13:04] <Kniple> or is it a feature?
[13:04] <ogra_> that woulld be a bug ...
[13:04]  * ogra_ hasnt see the kbs crash in a log long time though
[13:05] <jgdx> ogra_, except this bug 1473720
[13:06] <Kniple> not -really- what happened for me, but close
[13:06] <ogra_> ah
[13:07] <jgdx> Kniple, may be more ways to trigger this, actually. Kill maliit-server ?
[13:07] <jgdx> if that restores the osk, let's assume it's this bug
[13:08] <Kniple> Keyboard came back, jgdx thanks
[13:21] <tathhu> mariogrip: no freezing... yet.
[13:25] <dednick> charles: howdy. i seem to be having a bit of trouble with indicator-datetime appointments&events.
[13:29] <Kniple> Sigh, well, I've gotten a bit further with the PEAP connection, i get stuck after connecting to the network and it just keeps repeating a password box to me.
[13:48] <jgdx> Kniple, what's the value of password-flags?
[13:50] <Kniple> a password
[13:51] <jgdx> Kniple, it really shouldn't
[13:51] <Kniple> or, where do you mean, jgdx?
[13:51] <jgdx> Kniple, from etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/wpa2ep-network, what's the value of password-flags.
[13:51] <Kniple> oh yeah a password.
[13:51] <Kniple> :D
[13:51] <jgdx> that's very wrong
[13:51]  * ogra_ guesses you want flags there ... 
[13:51] <Kniple> Internet told me to do it that way
[13:51] <jgdx> it should be 1 or 0
[13:51] <ogra_> (just guessing though :) )
[13:52] <Kniple> ooh
[13:52] <Kniple> does the identity need a domain?
[13:52] <Kniple> i.e. domainname\username?
[13:53] <jgdx> Kniple, i don't know. Doesn't the network come with instructions? “password” should contain the password, btw.
[13:54] <Kniple> well, network manager does yell out a bunch of information about the network (like the domain and the radius server, etc.)
[13:54] <jgdx> Kniple, identity is often a username or email.
[13:54] <Kniple> hmm, I'll try the password flags
[13:54] <Kniple> oh geez
[13:54] <Kniple> there we go
[13:54] <jgdx> password-flags=1 password=hunter2 identity=kniple@niple.com
[13:55] <Kniple> yeah
[13:55] <Kniple> I needed the password-flags=1 line
[13:55] <Kniple> didn't show up in any of the threads I found on google.
[13:55] <Kniple> perfect!
[13:57] <Kniple> huh, well thats odd
[13:57] <Kniple> When checking for updates on the phone, the update spinnotron does a few laps, then it blinks with information and becomes white.
[13:58] <Kniple> and the " < Updates" does not respond to touch
[13:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, ^^
[13:58] <jgdx> Kniple, could you paste the output of $ system-image-cli -i
[13:58] <kenvandine> hmmm
[13:58] <jgdx> Kniple, preferably in a pastebin
[13:58] <kenvandine> and ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[14:00] <tathhu> .. can I remove those preinstalled apps/scopes or do they come back in next ota? :/
[14:01] <Kniple> jgdx: http://pastebin.com/ZMuBnxih
[14:03]  * ogra_ would wait for todays OTA ... 
[14:03] <Kniple> well ogra_ I can't update the phone if the update page doesnt allow me to update, now can I? ;)
[14:04] <ogra_> no, just reboot and see again
[14:04] <Kniple> I guess a reboot could solve it.
[14:04] <ogra_> yeah
[14:04] <ogra_> not worth filing a bug about it since we cant really retroactivelly fix it :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> logs aren't very helpful
[14:04] <Kniple> this is true :D
[14:04] <Kniple> logs are always helpful, if you know how to read them
[14:05] <Kniple> (which I don't in 90% of cases)
[14:05] <Kniple> I hope the battery problems are fixed on the MX4 in the next update
[14:05] <ogra_> no, but the battery behaves a lot better ... there are still some issues left
[14:06] <Kniple> nope jgdx, ogra_, it does the same thing after a reboot.
[14:06] <ogra_> it also still gets warm but not hot anymore
[14:06] <Kniple> hmm, aight ogra_, well I have this problem where it doesnt charge at all sometimes.
[14:07] <ogra_> ah, i dont know, never had that myself (well, during the very first days, but never after )
[14:07] <Kniple> is there an easy way to update it from a terminal?
[14:07] <ogra_> it will definitely last longer than 24h if it is charged ...
[14:07] <Kniple> I've notived that apt is locked (presumably by the "app store")
[14:07] <ogra_> well, more by the fact that your rootfs has to be readonly
[14:08] <Kniple> oh yeah
[14:08] <Kniple> that makes sense
[14:08] <ogra_> system-image uses binary diffs between two rootfs versions ... to produce these diffs your phone an the server need to have identical filesystems ... thats the reason it needs to be readonly
[14:11] <Kniple> aah
[14:11] <Kniple> so, is there a way to run the update function from the commandline?
[14:11] <Kniple> or is it locked to the UI?
[14:13] <jgdx> Kniple, how are you accessing the updates panel?
[14:14] <Kniple> through settings > About this phone > "Check for updates" button
[14:14] <jgdx> Kniple, try directly: Settings -> System Updates
[14:14] <Kniple> oh yeah, that works
[14:14] <Kniple> why havent I seen that button before?
[14:14] <jgdx> or just "Updates"
[14:14] <jgdx> okay, great
[14:14] <Kniple> version 3 is apparently out?
[14:15] <jgdx> that's today's OTA5 afaik
[14:15] <Kniple> so its already out for meizu? :D
[14:15] <Kniple> wonderful!
[14:19] <conyoo> how do you make the partition read only again?
[14:19] <jgdx> Kniple, so the wpa-ep works?
[14:20] <Kniple> it does
[14:22] <Kniple> It started working as soon as I added the password-flags=1 line jgdx
[14:22] <jgdx> okay, great
[14:23] <tnozyrox> Hello, Today scope not translate correctly New object moon?
[14:24] <seb128> mandel, hey, is anyone looking at bug #1368090? it's ranked high on e.u.c for stable touch reports
[14:26] <mandel> seb128, I'll add it for this sprint, should be fixed soon (at least by the end of the week)
[14:26] <seb128> mandel, thanks
[14:26] <mandel> seb128, no problem
[14:28] <charles> dednick, pong
[14:28] <charles> dednick, what's up?
[14:29] <peat-psuwit> How can I clear mediascanner's cache?
[14:29] <dednick> charles: seems like the times are wrong when integrated with evolution calendar
[14:29] <dednick> getting UTC, but the wrong way :/
[14:30] <dednick> charles: i have event at 3pm BST tomorrow, showing in indicator as 4pm UTC.
[14:30] <charles> dednick, can you try with ubuntu/landing-003 and see if the problem persists?
[14:30] <dednick> charles: ok
[14:31] <Kniple> are there any changelogs somewhere? I guess there are, but I can't seem to find them.
[14:32] <ogra_> Kniple, yeah, they were mailed to the meiling list a bit ago
[14:32] <Kniple> okay
[14:32] <ogra_> (probably something to subscribe to :) )
[14:32] <Kniple> Yeah, will do
[14:33] <ogra_> the mail points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-5
[14:33] <Kniple> thanks
[14:36] <ogra_> popey, how about a topic update ? :)
[14:37] <Kniple> !topic
[14:37] <Kniple> \ o /
[14:38] <dednick> charles: \o/
[14:39] <dednick> the problem indeed does not persist
[14:39] <dednick> or something resembling proper english
[14:40] <charles> dednick, huzzah! :-)
[14:41] <charles> dednick, it's always one more thing with those timezones. I'm glad the silo fixes it :-)
[14:44] <tnozyrox> And for app translate is waning gibbous... è importante! 😃
[14:53] <seb128> boiko, hey, I submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/dialer-app/tweak-some-strings/+merge/265096 ... is that ok to have on merge request for those changes or would you prefer to split those?
[14:55] <boiko> seb128: that's fine, let me include it on a dialer-app silo I have
[14:55] <seb128> boiko, thanks :-)
[14:57] <Kniple> Anyone know if its hard making your own spaces out of existing websites, would I need to know internal workings of the websites to make basic spaces?
[15:08] <TenLeftFingers> Which log files should I attach to a bug report for the Today scope?
[15:08] <TenLeftFingers> (if any)
[15:48] <cwayne1> TenLeftFingers: .cache/upstart/scope-registry.log
[15:52] <TenLeftFingers> cwayne1: thanks
[16:19] <peat-psuwit> How to wipe mediascanner-2.0 thumbnail cache?
[16:26] <CluelessNewb> Hello!
[16:27] <CluelessNewb> Playing with a new asus touchscreen laptop, wanted to try the recent ubuntu touch builds, but am not familiar with how to force the ppa to install things.
[16:27] <CluelessNewb> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-global-jam-event-announced-work-on-ubuntu-touch-libreoffice-viewer-continues-486809.shtml
[16:28] <CluelessNewb> I've add the ppa list, but I'm not sure how to force it download it
[16:28] <CluelessNewb> sudo apt-get upgrade just seems to download the lists as oposed to the updates themselves
[16:28] <CluelessNewb> any idea what I'm missing?
[16:28] <tathhu> what
[16:28] <tathhu> add ppa -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:28] <tathhu> or dist-upgrade
[16:29] <CluelessNewb> alright, did that, lots of text flew by... How do I access some of those apps?
[16:30] <CluelessNewb> say " calendar-app"
[16:30] <CluelessNewb> Is that going to register itself with a launcher or do I need to navigate to a subdirectory somewhere?
[16:32] <tathhu> should be in launcher
[16:33] <tathhu> or dash, whatever its' caleld
[16:33] <CluelessNewb> oh. I'm running xmonad with a custom launcher, that might be what I"m missing...
[16:33] <CluelessNewb> Let me try the default, (derr)
[16:33] <CluelessNewb> brb, thanks
[16:36] <CluelessNoob> back
[16:38] <CluelessNoob> So I'm now in the default ubuntu setup, dash launcher on the side... Still don't see the touch apps that supposedly downloaded from the ppa
[16:40] <CluelessNoob> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+packages
[16:41] <ogra_> how would they have been downloaded ?
[16:41] <CluelessNoob> So I figure one of two things is happening...
[16:42] <CluelessNoob> Either ubuntu successfully pulled the packages from the ppa and I'm just not seeing them in any launcher...
[16:42] <ogra_> how would it have pulled them ?
[16:42] <Laney> charles: can you quickly look at https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/indicator-datetime/eds-3.16/+merge/265287 please? supersedes https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/indicator-datetime/libecal-3.16/+merge/260789 which was approved but now conflicts
[16:43] <ogra_> did you tell apt explicitly to install package "foo" ?
[16:43] <ogra_> your system doesnt magically install stuff for you if you think of it ;)
[16:43] <CluelessNoob> Oh... That might have been the issue, I'm still new at the package management....
[16:43] <ogra_> (not that clever yet)
[16:43] <ogra_> ;)
[16:43] <CluelessNoob> I assumed it just pulled everything... But that seems a bit absurd now that I think about it... If you pointed at some of the larger project repositories... THat would be painful...
[16:44] <CluelessNoob> ONe day perhaps it will be :D
[16:44] <CluelessNoob> ok, so how do I explicitly tell it to install a package once I've added the ppa?
[16:44] <CluelessNoob> just sudo apt-get install (name of package)
[16:44] <CluelessNoob> ?
[16:44] <ogra_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-docviewer-app
[16:45] <ogra_> would get you the docviewer
[16:45] <BOHverkill> yay update :D
[16:45] <ogra_> it will likely behave quite different to the phone though ... simply because the environment is very different
[16:46] <CluelessNoob> IT WORKS! Yay!
[16:46] <CluelessNoob> Linux is so weird, you run into strange unintuitive parts, but once you figure out what's wrong (and its usually possible to resolve), the experience is absolutely magical...
[16:47] <ogra_> :)
[16:48] <CluelessNoob> ogra: just spent the past 2-3 days learning windows 8 weird touchscreen interfaces. Mostly eye-candy, but there a few things on there that I kind of miss with the app swishiness...
[16:48] <tathhu> Lol I somehow thought you we're upgradin LO...
[16:48]  * tathhu needs coffee
[16:48] <ogra_> tathhu, uuh, hopefully not :) you dont want to use apt on the phone to upgrade :)
[16:48] <CluelessNoob> Looking forward to playing around with these new os builds
[16:48] <CluelessNoob> thanks for your help!
[16:49] <tathhu> ogra_: wasn't CluelessNoob talking about desktop?
[16:49]  * tathhu is totally out 
[16:49] <tathhu> .DADS
[16:49] <ogra_> tathhu, he was ... luckily :)
[16:49] <CluelessNoob> yep, desktop
[16:49] <tathhu> :P
[16:49] <CluelessNoob> it works
[16:50] <CluelessNoob> i think...
[16:50]  * ogra_ wouldnt expect anyone to run xmonad on the phone :) 
[16:50] <CluelessNoob> i guess its all relative with dev builds :D
[16:50] <CluelessNoob> lol
[16:50] <CluelessNoob> actually
[16:50] <ogra_> yeah, and you are not running the apps in theior native environemnt
[16:51] <ogra_> they will behave different to how they do on the phone and also expose additional and different issues
[16:51] <CluelessNoob> part of the fun factor with dev channel :D
[16:54] <CluelessNoob> Touchscreen transformer tablets are weird. There's all these use-case scanarios that are different from standard laptop vs tablet setups... I'm having fun experimenting with different UI setups.
[16:55] <CluelessNoob> Yesterday I had fun hooking up wiimotes and barcode scanners, all sorts of strange UX scenarios happen when you can start positioning the screen at strange angles
[16:57] <Laney> charles: I went rogue and self approved it, nae bother
[16:58] <tathhu> :D
[17:03] <CluelessNoob> Calendar app is very smooth.
[17:06] <CluelessNoob> Calendar app might benefit from a "pinch to zoom" gesture. Aside from that, pretty slick.
[17:10] <CluelessNoob> alright, thanks for your help guys
[17:13] <Guest94473> Hi, I've been having trouble updating both the aquaris and the MX4. Managed to get a system update to r24 installed today on the BQ, but still having trouble updating the apps: http://pastebin.com/Xh0hkduZ
[17:13] <Guest94473> It just sits there at 0% and nothing happens... Any ideas? :)
[17:14] <conyoo> omg ubuntu touch runs so smooth on mx5
[17:22] <ogra_> eschatus, try removing and re-adding your U1 account ... the token expires regulary, sadly there is no popup message telling that to the user yet (there is a bug for it open somewhere)
[17:22] <mcphail> ooh - "Ubuntu" is in my updates :)
[17:23] <eschatus> ogra_: Thanks! I'll try that :)
[17:47] <charles> Laney, you wildcard, you
[17:58] <mcphail> the new landscape mode is buggy in an interesting way for those of us interested in sdl development
[18:09] <mcphail> Did podbird always adjust to landscape rotation when you rotated the phone? Just noticed this - very neat animation
[18:14] <greyback> mcphail: interesting how?
[18:15] <toch> hi remember when u sad to keep updated with my ubuntu touch bild?
[18:15] <toch> hi remember when u sad to keep updated with my ubuntu touch build?
[18:16] <greyback> toch: who said that to you? You had better ping that person directly
[18:16] <toch> ogra_
[18:17] <toch> im making ubuntu touch version 15.04 for nexus 4 :)
[18:18] <mcphail> greyback: need to explore a bit more. Seems like SDL apps still get informed of the portrait x and y values when in landscape, so although the app rotates it doesn't get the correct size
[18:19] <toch> hi??????????????????????????????????????????
[18:20] <greyback> mcphail: you say x & y? Or width & height.  Shell is resizing the surface, so sdk should see width & height switch
[18:20] <greyback> toch: please have patience, it is 8pm where he is, he is probably away from his computer
[18:20] <toch> here is 9pm 20
[18:21] <mcphail> greyback: need to explore that a bit more, but I'm not sure it is working as intended
[18:22] <mcphail> greyback: great to see it beginning to come together, though
[18:22] <greyback> mcphail: ok, well feel free to ping me if you need a hand. I can either help, or point you to those who definitely can :)
[18:22] <esch|BBL> ogra_: It worked :) Removed the account, added it again and afterwards it updated just fine... Would be nice with a fix for that. Haven't checked if it's a registered bug?
[18:22] <mcphail> greyback: great - not at a proper computer for another week or so but will play around on the phone in the meantime
[18:25] <tathhu> toch: that's not the case everywhere :C
[18:33] <tathhu> What if.. that "lol i'm changing orientation :D"-animation lags?
[18:33] <tathhu> Lol.
[18:33] <tathhu> Too smooth
[18:45] <dunc_> hi volks
[18:46] <tathhu> wagen?
[18:46] <dunc_> do you know any good references/examples for QML and JS? On the Ubuntu website there is not so much
[18:48] <toch> hi im folowing this tutl https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/uduntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ but is there any way to export an tar.gz or zip for recovery installing you know like open clokwork recovery and click on install from xd card and stuff ?
[18:48] <jgdx> dunc_, what are you looking for specifically? The JS is pretty standard and the qml is well documented imo.
[18:48] <mcphail> Can anyone confirm a rendering bug for me?
[18:48] <dunc_> I am total new to QML and I would like to learn the basics
[18:49] <dunc_> but unly ubuntu-touch related QML, for the desktop i am using GTK
[18:49] <greyback> dunc_: http://qmlbook.github.io/en/ch04/index.html is a good resource
[18:49] <mcphail> dunc_: QML is QML, on the desktop or phone
[18:50] <greyback> mcphail: rendering bug? With what? More detail plz
[18:50] <dunc_> thanks guys, I will start with this website, looks good
[18:51] <dunc_> I now that QML is general but I am only interested in QML because of Ubuntu Touch :)
[18:51] <mcphail> greyback: open browser in portrait. Rotate to landscape then back to portrait. The outline of the "location" input field gets corrupted on my phone
[18:51] <jgdx> dunc_, sources for the coreapps made by contributors and Canonical are also great resources. E.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app or https://launchpad.net/address-book-app
[18:52] <dunc_> jgdx, thank you, I will check it out, I will get my phone soon and I cant wait to play with it
[18:53] <greyback> mcphail: yeah I see that. I think I saw a bug about it, but can't find it now
[18:53] <greyback> mcphail: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1466656 maybe
[18:53] <mcphail> greyback: do you know what package I should search for the bug or file a new one? Presumably one of the UI packages rather than the browser?
[18:53] <mcphail> greyback: cheers
[18:55] <mcphail> popey: ^^ do you think this is the same as your bug?
[18:55] <popey> possibly
[18:56] <mcphail> ok - I'll append a screenshot to your bug and see if it gets kicked out
[19:28] <Se7> hello
[19:28] <Se7> my phone it s become shit
[19:28] <Se7> camera problem
[19:29] <Se7> doesn t load pics
[19:29] <Se7> and as well in the gallery i haven t the pics that I made
[19:40] <Se7> updating hope this resolve the problem :)
[20:01] <Se7> but the most funny things it s that I made a video of my son and when I play it start a song that i never put on the phone suuper lol
[20:09] <tathhu> someone is playing with you ;)
[21:32] <mwenning> Hi guys, I have an associate who loaded his Nexus 7 with this, he's having trouble with it:  can't get a cursor to move with the mouse, and the apps don't shrink into desktop mode.
[21:32] <mwenning> Ring any bells?
[22:49] <eschatus> So, with everything fine on the Aquaris - the MX4 needs some attention:
[22:49] <eschatus> Every attempt to update ubuntu has lead to this: http://imgur.com/kvGznSb
[22:51] <eschatus> I'm still stuck on version 1 - and now I see people downloading version 4. :)
[22:52] <eschatus> The logs (http://pastebin.com/nT66M6fS) don't really tell me much, so if anyone can help I'd be very grateful. :)
[22:55] <eschatus> (Strangely, the MX4 has behaved opposite of the Aquaris; it updates the apps, but not ubuntu. Weird.)
[23:55] <jgdx> eschatus, removing and re-adding the u1 account seems to fix these problems. I am unsure if this bug is tracked or not, nor if there's a fix coming.