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lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-is-now-available-for-purchase-freely-in-europe-487334.shtml04:59
tochdoes any1 knows th hardware and vendor folder for p3110 for this : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/05:28
tochhelp please05:32
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tochhow to port ubuntu touch to tab 2 7.0 p311005:40
tochhelp please05:43
tochyu05:46
tochhelp me please05:46
tochany205:46
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TonyBostondo you guys know an app for Webdav on Ubuntu Touch?08:03
TonyBostonalso, how can I search for Scopes in the Store?08:03
TonyBostonall I can see is "Top Scopes" but nothing like "show ALL scopes"08:04
dholbachgood morning08:04
svijTonyBoston: I think it's easier to check on uappexplorer.com → https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=scope08:07
TonyBostonthanks svij08:14
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Viking 1 Landing Day! 😃08:55
pete-woodsjgdx: with the work yesterday, the hotspot seems to be behaving itself now09:08
jgdxpete-woods, nice. /me installs silo09:16
eschatusjgdx: Unfortunately, removing and adding the u1 account didn't help with the MX4 upgrade (from version 1 to 3) - as soon as the upgrade is downloaded, it displays the update failed message.09:19
eschatusI wonder, could it matter that I'm on wifi and have mobile data off?09:20
jgdxeschatus, is your system image partition writable?09:20
eschatusjdgx: Havent made any changes, just reset everything a couple of times since it wouldn't upgrade.09:20
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eschatusshould I remount as rw?09:21
jgdxeschatus, not now09:21
jgdxeschatus, I'd file a bug against csi [1] if there's not one matching your bug's description already. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug09:23
eschatusjgdx: Thanks, looking there now...09:24
jgdxeschatus, thank you.09:26
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eschatusjgdx: Couldn't find a matching case there. I'd like to try some more before I file a bug though - since this has been failing from the start, and noone else has reported the same problem, I must have done something different. Like a choice of locales or... network name? It does complain about MMS not being ok because of my wifi name... Do you know which logs should contain update errors? Can it be run from the command line with adb?09:35
jgdxeschatus, I'm not knowledgeable when it comes to updates. Try running sudo system-image-cli -v09:37
jgdxogra_, you're an expert ^^09:37
ogra_eschatus, the U1 account data only helps for app updates, it isnt involved in system updates at all ...09:38
ogra_did you tinker with the device in any way ? like making it writable or some such ? that could surely make the update break09:39
eschatusogra_: Makes sense. It worked on the BQ - which updated the system but wouldn't do the apps. The MX updates the apps, but not the system. No tinkering - the system update has been failing from the start...09:41
dadexix86OTA-5 on bq Aquaris 4.5 has brought a HUGE battery improvement. This is definitely super impressive, many congratulations to everybody who worked on that!09:43
eschatusjgdx: Running system-image-cli -v now...09:43
jgdxeschatus, sudo09:43
ogra_well, what jgdx said might help. run system-image-cli -vvv via adb, ssh or the terminal (dont switch the app to bg if you do that though) and see if there are any errors or tracebacks ... i would recommand doing a fresh reboot before calling the command (and it might need sudo, i cant remember)09:43
ogra_dadexix86, awesome to hear !09:44
eschatusjgdx: was root already with sudo -i09:45
ogra_oh, be careful with that ... you might get a different environment using a login shell09:46
mcphailWith the update to OTA5, what is the minimum I need to do for my self-made apps work well with rotation (e.g. not have UI elements offscreen and out of reach)? Wrap everytging in a Flickable component?09:48
ogra_if you have to ask that question you should probably re-visit your layout, yes :)09:51
mcphailha!09:51
ogra_or use the option to lock your app to a certain rotation in the desktop file09:51
mcphailogra_: my components are laid out in a Column on a Page, but the Page isn't scrollable by default09:52
jgdxcolumn is very bare, simple09:53
* mcphail trundles off to look at the docs09:53
jgdxit's mean to arrange items in columns, as well as space them and do transitions on add/remove/move.09:54
jgdxs/mean/meant09:54
mcphailjgdx: yes - perfect for my needs :)09:55
eschatusogra_: Ok, cancelled - hope I didn't break anything... Restarting, then running: "sudo system-image-cli -vvv | tee ~/Documents/upgradelog.txt" as phablet@ubuntu-phablet (in phone terminal in stead of through adb)....09:56
eschatusOk, that's weird.09:56
ogra_eschatus, canceling wont be enough (this is why i suggested a reboot) ...09:56
ogra_the backend can take 20-30 minutes to time out after you canceled09:56
ogra_so better reboot and start over09:56
eschatus(rebooted) pasting log09:57
jgdxmcphail, but no scrolling :)09:58
mcphailjgdx: yes - had hoped the Page would scroll09:58
mcphailjgdx: scrollling wasn't needed until last night :)09:59
jgdxmcphail, heh, okay. :) It doesn't, and you probably read that the flickable does.10:01
eschatustee didn't work as expected, log file was 0 bytes - but it fails with an "uncaught exception in state machine" after "Group download reactor done": Missing destination: Record(url='https://system-image.ubuntu.com/gpg/blacklist.ing.tar.xz', checksum='')10:05
mcphailjgdx: Might be useful to make Page be wrapped in a Flickable by default (if it isn't already). Could have a "flickable" property - which could default to "off" I suppose.10:06
eschatusIs that because of the 20-30 minute timeout? Or because I ran it as root the first time...?10:06
jgdxmcphail, maybe, but then you'd have to talk with the uitk guys :)10:07
mcphailooh - it has a flickable property already...10:07
mcphail...that's just for the header...10:08
eschatusogra_: Doing a complete erase & reset now before trying again. Do you have recommended locale first run choices for locale etc?10:08
ogra_nope10:09
eschatusMaybe English UK in stead of US, since, well, I'm a norwegian in France. :)10:09
jgdxmcphail, yeah, but you use it as a wrapper for all your content (layout dependent ofc)10:10
jibeleschatus, the logs of the upgrader are in /var/log/system-image . Did you reset your phone or you still have access to the logs?10:12
ogra_eschatus, oh, on a sidenote, which channel are you on ?10:13
ogra_(i assume the default stable one ? just to be sure)10:13
eschatusjibel: reset already... Ready for another upgrade attempt now.10:17
ogra_eschatus, in any case, if you dont get it working, wait for barry, he maintains system-image10:17
eschatusogra_: Haven't changed anything, so I assume stable :)10:17
* ogra_ isnt sure if the reset code wipes the /cache dir btw, perhaps there is some half downloaded cruft in it 10:18
jgdxeschatus, run system-image-cli -i for channel info to confirm you're on stable.10:20
eschatusogra_: Could be. I'll check. Got encouraged by the output when running system-image-cli as root - It looked promising but I cancelled while downloading. The error while phablet@ might be because I cancelled...?10:20
eschatusjgdx: Ok. one or two sec...10:20
eschatusIs adb shell ok, or should I download and use the terminal?10:21
ogra_well, run "system-image-cli -i" (no sudo or root)10:21
ogra_and pastebin that somewhere10:22
ogra_eschatus, to clean the cache dir: sudo rm -rf /cache/recovery/*10:24
ogra_(do *not* rm anything above that)10:24
jgdxpete-woods, silo 46 is currently my fav silo10:24
pete-woodsjgdx: does that mean it works? or that it's breaking in highly entertaining ways?10:30
eschatusok, here we go: system-image-cli -i => http://pastebin.com/3XcRaESE10:33
eschatusogra_: My update attempt as root seems to have stored some files in cache/recovery. Deleting the files there (and nothing above) now.10:34
ogra_current build number: 010:35
ogra_WOW10:35
eschatusogra_: Yep. Not much, that.10:36
ogra_eschatus, did you play with the --switch option of system-image-cli or some such ? that should definitely not be 010:37
ogra_(--switch resets it to 0 before switching to another channel to force a full image download ... which indeed requires a lot of free space in /cache/recovery)10:39
eschatusogra_: lol no. I never got around to playing with the phone really. I got it on july 10, and a couple of days later I tried to update it (normally) and it just kept failing...10:40
ogra_wow, trhats bad10:40
eschatusMaybe a failed update because of lost network connection or something could have broken something...?10:42
jgdxpete-woods, that it's bringing it home10:42
ogra_well, that should still recover somehow10:42
* jgdx works on his baseball metaphors10:42
eschatusAnyway, I'm back in with adb now - moved the files in /cache/recovery to ~/Documents/recovery (just in case they could be useful) ...10:42
ogra_the logs might10:42
tochhi doods10:46
jgdxpete-woods, only thing I'm seeing is a failure to connect to onReportError10:46
jgdxpete-woods, I'm unsure how to communicate the various errors that can occur. I don't know if you figured out that I just re-used NM's connection failure codes.10:47
eschatusogra_: The "log" file came to the conclusion that the "Update succeeded" this morning at 10:07 - which it clearly didn't. Since system-image-cli -i says the same, I assume the reason for the build number mess is running as root. With cache/recovery now empty, I guess it's time to try againg now - with -vvv - as the phablet user?10:48
ogra_eschatus, i think you need sudo (not root, as i said, that might give you a different env)10:51
* eschatus prepares to run "sudo system-image-cli -vvv > ~/Documents/update.log" as the phablet user... What exciting things could happen this time? :)10:51
pete-woodsjgdx: that's a mistake. that signal should still be present10:51
ogra_we'll see ...10:51
pete-woodsmight be a simple typo10:51
eschatusGoodnews: it's downloading the update - no keyring error this time.10:52
ogra_if you cant get it fixed via system-image-cli you can worst case still use ubuntu-device-flash and do a --bootstrap flash, that would be like an install from scratch10:52
jgdxpete-woods, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913825/10:52
pete-woodsjgdx: seems I've lost that code during some rebasing :/10:52
pete-woodswell spotted :)10:52
jgdxpete-woods, :)10:55
eschatusogra_: That might turn out to be the ultimate solution. :) We'll see how this goes. Got a bad french adsl connection tso this takes awhile...10:56
jgdxpete-woods, only thing is that the list of APs in the indicator is a bit random. When the hotspot is enabled, it says I'm still connected to my local ap.10:56
ogra_i know what you mean ... got a bad german SDSL line here :)10:56
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jgdxpete-woods, nmcli confirms: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913855/10:58
pete-woodsjgdx: yeah, I think that's a separate bug in the indicator11:00
pete-woodsit clearly doesn't handle the wifi toggle being done from somewhere outside the indicator itself11:01
jgdxpete-woods, okay, but the indicator is right. I just didn't know you could have an ap hotspot active while connected.11:01
pete-woodsjgdx: oh right, that's strange indeed11:01
jgdx… to a different wifi network11:01
pete-woodsthat doesn't sound possible..11:01
jgdxthis is arale.. maybe it's capable?11:02
pete-woodsjgdx: I think modern chipsets are capable, for doing things like miracast11:02
pete-woodsbut I figured you needed special configuration for that..11:03
ogra_the driver most likely inst11:03
ogra_on arale11:03
ogra_*isnt11:03
jgdxogra_, then how who what http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913855/11:03
jgdxI was connected to Ubuntu on my laptop while talking to yas11:04
ogra_i was referring to miracast11:04
jgdxohk11:04
draoshi i have an tablet with ubuntu touch but the resolution is too small11:15
jgdxpete-woods, there's also a minor bug where the "Change" button is sensitive without making a change. I vaguely recall this working.11:16
pete-woodsjgdx: hmm, okay, that was working for me (i.e. you have to type in a long enough password)11:16
pete-woodsthat sort of thing..11:16
jgdxpete-woods, there's a password there already.. i'm configuring an existing one11:17
pete-woodsjgdx: at any rate, I've wired up the reportError signal now11:17
jgdxnice11:17
pete-woodsfortunately it was just the top-level QML binding where it went missing11:17
draoshelp11:17
jgdxpete-woods, maybe the rebase ate the code for the change button sensitivity as well?11:19
pete-woodsjgdx: I guess it's possible..11:19
draosplease11:20
draoshttp://imgur.com/au7FfQT heres an pic11:20
davmor2draos: what are you wanting help with11:21
ogra_draos, that looks like a very old release before 14.10 ... that wont run11:21
ogra_(well, it will run but apps are screenshots and the like, this is a demo)11:21
draosits an build build from this link : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/11:22
ogra_draos, definitely not ... it doesnt use any recent rootfs11:22
draoshow can u tell11:22
ogra_this image is like 2 years old11:23
ogra_by the old UI11:23
davmor2draos: because that is an ancient background11:23
ogra_when that UI desin was in use the image was not functional11:23
draosi liked this ui and i installed it :)11:23
ogra_draos, also you really dont need to change your nickname ... the answers you will get wont change11:23
ogra_well, if you like that UI, enjoy it ... but you wont be able to run any apps on it or make any use of it11:24
ogra_its a demo11:24
draosok can u help me with the resolution please?11:25
ogra_(and a very very outdated one as well)11:25
draosoh and btw im working on ubuntu 16.04( an version by me) :))))))))))11:25
ogra_well, you want 15.1011:25
ogra_16.04 is not for phones/tablets11:25
ogra_er4r11:26
ogra_you want 15.0411:26
ogra_(15.10 isnt for phones or tablets amd 16,.04 development wont start before october)11:26
draosno im making my own "rip off ubuntu" ubuntu 16.0411:26
draosbut can u please help me with my problem?11:27
ogra_draos, also, i doubt anyone can help you much with the resolution ... the ways to change resolution we use today were sompletely different on that old demo11:27
ogra_*completely11:27
ogra_you would need to re-build the image to fix that11:27
draosbut an somebody makes something for me please. * ubuntu developer11:27
ogra_(today you can easily adjust it, but that technology doesnt exist in that demo image)11:28
draoscan somebody make the image for me cuz i cant find sum packages neded. oh and btw my tablet is tab 2 7.0 p311011:29
ogra_draos, creating an image for your device is probably a matter of several months of work for an experienced programmer11:30
ogra_well, perhaps weeks ... depends how experienced11:30
draosok can someone give me the blobs and other stuff for my tablet ?11:31
ogra_you can try it yourself if you think you know enough about android and ubuntu to follow https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/11:31
ogra_but dont expect that to go fast ... porting to a new device isnt easy11:31
draosfor ubuntu touch?11:31
ogra_the blobs are surely in the android build for your device ... there are surely also tools from cyanogenmod to extract them from the android isntall11:32
draoshow to extract them. i have an cm image for my tablet downloaded?11:32
ogra_check the cm documentation then11:32
draosoh and btw do blobls files ends with .so ?11:32
ogra_not necessarily11:32
brobostigonhave a look on the CM wiki, its part of adb if memory serves.11:33
* ogra_ would recommend to just get a nexus7 (2013) or one of the supported phones 11:33
draosok but can i compress somehow the result into an zip file and flash it with cwm ?11:33
draosi dont have money. im an 10 years old kid11:34
ogra_why would you flash blobs without any OS around them  ?11:34
ogra_the blobs are part of something ... you need the surrounding bits too11:34
draosno the result i mean the ubuntu touch11:35
ogra_the result you only get by building like described on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/11:35
ogra_the blobs are a part of that but there is a lot more around them11:36
brobostigonon the cm wiki, part of the build of cm, is to extract those blobs out of your existing doird install for the build, look there, for that bit.11:36
ogra_yeah :)11:36
brobostigondroid*11:36
draoslook at this At the end of the build process a couple of .img files will be generated in out/target/product/<codename>. You can use rootstock-ng to easily push it to your device.  Rootstock-ng is a set of scripts to create an Ubuntu rootfs (or ISO) locally on your PC like it is done by the Ubuntu cdimage server. You can have a look at its README for more info on what is happening under the hood. this means i can compress it to a11:37
ogra_no. you cant use a zip11:37
ogra_use rootstock-ng ... but thats only the last step once you have gone thorough building everything11:38
* ogra_ would start at the start instead of the end :)11:38
draosi cant flash it with my pc because my able is cinda broken i coud only charge my tablet with it. i was thinching swap out the sd put in the sd in my phone and opy them to my sd and then flash it with cwm11:39
ogra_that wont work for ubuntu11:39
ogra_you need the ubuntu recovery image ... which has no support for zips, it uses tarballs and img files only11:40
draostarballs is tar.gz?11:40
ogra_the recovery img will be build with the rest of your patched and modified tree11:40
ogra_yes11:40
ogra_you should start with setting up your build environment ... installing all the packages you need for building and checking out the phablet tree11:41
draosi did that11:41
ogra_(note that tree is something like 12GB big, that will take a while )11:41
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draosi let my pc to download the all night11:42
ogra_ah, well, if you have the phablet tree already and got your build enviroment working the next bit is to find an AOSP tree for your device11:43
ogra_then merge that tree into the phablet one and rip out everything that isnt needed by ubuntu11:43
draosi did that too11:43
ogra_after that you copy the blobs in place as described in the CM documentation and make a build for your device11:44
draoswhere do i need to place the blobs ?11:44
ogra_that should spit our recovery.img, boot,.img and system.img  ... you flash recovery.img and boot.img with fastboot (or whatever tool allows you to do that, smasung uses something like odin i think) ... and then you use rootstock with a downloaded rootfs tar.gz and the produced system.img11:45
ogra_oh, and i forgot ... you need to patch the kernel too11:45
ogra_before building11:45
ogra_... all as described on the above website ...11:46
draoswhere do i need to place the blobs ?11:46
ogra_wherever CM tells you to in their documantation11:46
ogra_worst case just take the list of files and search for each of them on the android install11:46
ogra_that should tell you where they normally live11:47
eschatusogra_: Update failed... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11914057 - it says the reason was a HASH error...?11:51
draoshow to xtract the blobs from image11:51
draoshow to extract the blobs from android image11:51
ogra_draos, follow the CM documentation for your device11:51
* ogra_ has the feeling there is an echo in this room today :P11:51
ogra_eschatus, well, definitely something barry should look at once he shows up ...11:53
ogra_looks like the file somehow got corrupted either during download or on disk11:53
ogra_eschatus, i dont really get why the download at 10:51 worked fine but didnt finish (it should have rebooted to recovery)11:55
ogra_or is that the same run and it just didnt output anything for 30min11:55
eschatusogra_: It's been downloading to 100% every time, then instantly fails.11:55
ogra_s/30/40/11:55
eschatusogra_: Same run. Bad ADSL. ;)11:55
ogra_ah11:56
jgdxif it's that bad maybe it got corrupted.. iirc it's 200+ megs11:57
ogra_even more since his channel.ini has "version: 0"11:57
ogra_that will cause a full image download instead of a delta11:58
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jgdxpete-woods, I'm thinking about the hotspot test in system settings. We need to start/stop the indicator to make it pick up a dbusmock, right?12:24
jgdxpete-woods, actually, scratch that. We just mock the connectivity api.12:26
pete-woodsjgdx: yes, that would be prefereable12:34
pete-woodsjgdx: and the API is pretty simple12:34
pete-woodsuses standard dbus properties, etc12:34
pete-woodsso mocking should be really easy12:34
jgdxpete-woods, yeah, and I think we have a mock for it already for the thing we do in that plugin I can't remember.12:34
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pete-woodsjgdx: going forward, it'd be nice to use the connectivity API for the airplane and wifi toggles, too12:35
pete-woodsas it just has simple boolean properties in the QML binding for that12:35
pete-woodsinstead of complicated gmenu madness12:35
ogra_eschatus, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html... you could try with ubuntu-device-flash to do a full flash12:35
jgdxpete-woods, yes, please. Where's the source for the connectivity qml bindings?12:35
pete-woodsjgdx: the most up to date part is in the MR for this landing (...)12:36
pete-woodshttps://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/+merge/26452712:36
jgdxpete-woods, okay12:36
ogra_eschatus, though use ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en as the channel12:37
pete-woodsjgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/files/head:/src/connectivity-api/connectivity-qt/connectivityqt/12:37
pete-woodsjgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/view/head:/data/com.ubuntu.connectivity1.NetworkingStatus.xml12:38
pete-woodsjgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/view/head:/data/com.ubuntu.connectivity1.Private.xml12:38
pete-woodsand it has those two dbus APIs12:38
pete-woodsprivate is for the "dangerous" stuff12:38
pete-woodswhich NetworkingStatus is for the public "safe" stuff like "am I online"12:38
pete-woods*while12:38
pete-woodsjgdx: the property UnstoppableOperationHappening is set to true while a long running operation, like toggling flight mode, is running12:39
jgdxpete-woods, no qml binding for the private stuff, though12:39
jgdxpete-woods, other than that, looking good!12:39
pete-woodsjgdx: so you can bind it to the enabled property of your toggle12:39
pete-woodsjgdx: no, the binding spans both12:39
jgdxpete-woods, not seeing unlockmodems though12:40
pete-woodsjgdx: yeah, that's a good point, I didn't want a binding for that method, as it's a bit of a hack12:40
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pete-woodsbefore my time12:40
pete-woodswould prefer a more detailed API around that12:40
jgdxpete-woods, we're currently rolling our own binding for unlockmodem and unlockmodems in System Settings.12:41
pete-woodsjgdx: feel free to submit that as an MR to indicator-network12:41
pete-woodsif it enables you to get it done quicker, I'll accept some simple bindings for those dbus methods12:42
jgdxpete-woods, thanks12:42
* pete-woods gets tired of writing his own bindings for seemingly every dbus API12:43
pete-woodsI'm kinda amazed there isn't a qnetworkmanager12:43
pete-woodsqpowerd, etc12:43
jgdxpete-woods, I had the exact same thought ca 150 times.12:43
jgdxI think I should create one, tbh12:44
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jgdxs/I/we12:44
jgdxs/we/you12:44
pete-woodsjgdx: not a bad idea12:44
jgdxit's settled then12:44
pete-woodswith more than just the generated stubs12:44
pete-woodsnot a small undertaking, though12:44
jgdxwizard, uss and indicator is bound to end up talking to it, and currently the bindings in uss (at least) is not well tested, nor very awesome12:46
pete-woodsjgdx: yeah, we have a layer in indicator-network, called nmofono that abstracts both nm and ofono12:48
pete-woodsbut it also is far from perfect12:48
jgdxand that uses libqofono?12:49
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pete-woodswhat I really wanted was to make connectivity api fully featured for all the stuff we do in USS, indicator and the wizard12:49
pete-woodsyeah12:49
GAM002_hi12:49
pete-woodsjust exposing the functionality we actually need, with as simple an API as possible12:49
pete-woodse.g. the hotspot management12:49
GAM002_ubunutu touch available for android one?12:49
GAM002_?12:50
jgdxpete-woods, where will the line be drawn? There are some things that e.g. USS does that neither indicator nor wizard do.12:50
jgdxI'm guessing there?12:50
pete-woodsjgdx: well ideally I'd like to take that on, too12:50
pete-woodsbut obviously there's only me working on this now12:51
GAM002_ANDROID ONE support ubuntu? i will get update only for 1 more year from google12:51
GAM002_ANDROID ONE phones12:51
pete-woodsthen we can have one awesome covered set of tests (I think you would be impressed by the test setup for the indicator now) for all the low level networking functionality12:51
pete-woodsobviously it'd be much much easier if you guys were able to start by developing features from inside the connectivity service first12:52
pete-woodsbut at the same time, I have no say, not being a manager or anything12:52
pete-woodsand I don't want you to miss your milestones12:52
ogra_!devices | GAM002_12:53
ubot5GAM002_: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices12:53
GAM002_k Guess not :(12:53
ogra_GAM002_, since you most likely wont find it there, try the xda forums, sometimes someone there has done a build12:54
GAM002_ogra a build?12:54
GAM002_for what?12:54
GAM002_android one phones?12:54
ogra_ubuntu on the android one ?12:54
GAM002_ya12:54
pete-woodsGAM002_: there is a list of the devices that there are builds for on that page12:55
pete-woodsandroid one is not on the list12:55
GAM002_all android one devices have same specs right?12:55
pete-woodson that I have no idea12:55
GAM002_so if ubuntu develop 1 version all of the users from lots of nations can install ubuntu on it right? any idea about that?12:56
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jgdxpete-woods, ianaa (i am not an architect) so I can't really say whether or not that's a good idea. Isn't all that out of scope for the indicator?12:56
GAM002_k12:56
GAM002_thanks for the link12:56
pete-woodsjgdx: well the indicator isn't really just the indicator. it just happens that in the same process we host the connectivity API and the indicator UI12:57
eschatusogra_: Thanks. May try that later, unless Barry shows up with a bright idea. :)  Right now I'm having another go with -vv to see if something more useful shows up in the log. -vvv didn't work.... :)12:57
jgdxpete-woods, right.. chicken or egg though12:57
GAM002_so i would be able to install but wont work properly since it needs customisation?12:58
pete-woodsjgdx: at any rate. I'm not some architecture nazi, and even if I was, it's more work that I have the time for to move everything in there in a short timeframe12:58
ogra_eschatus, i just saw a mail that says barry is on vacation ... so i wouldnt count on it (and i dont know who else could help with system-image issues omn that level)12:58
pete-woodsGAM002_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/12:58
pete-woodsis the most help I can be12:58
jgdxpete-woods, I'm happy to start working on things in the indicator.12:58
GAM002_ok thanks again12:59
pete-woodsbut you're going to need to be a developer of some level to get that kinda thing working12:59
pete-woodsjgdx: I personally think that'd be great :)12:59
eschatusogra_: Heh, I'm on vacation too, so you never know. ;) Being constantly torn between the 31 degrees celcius pool outside and updating the new MX4... It's hard. :/13:00
GAM002_i love to create and develop things but dont know languages in deep only to do simple maths and even get confused doing that13:00
pete-woodsjgdx: I'd like to be able to enable 3rd party apps to do things like be a wifi scanner app, that sorta thing13:00
ogra_eschatus, i know what you mean ... i'm melting too :)13:00
pete-woodsvia the connectivity API13:01
pete-woodsanyway, baby steps, and this hotspot code migration makes me happy :)13:01
jgdxme too!13:01
ogra_land it already, stop chatting about it !!!!13:02
ogra_:P13:02
pete-woodsneeds.more.testing13:02
ogra_pfft testing :P13:02
pete-woods:D13:02
pete-woodshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/11914391/13:03
pete-woodsanyone else getting that for the allhands?13:03
ogra_allhands ?13:04
pete-woodsthere's an ubuntu allhands call on now13:04
ogra_pete-woods, not on freenode :P13:05
pete-woodsokay13:05
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davidcallejibel, hello, are you aware of any automated testing going that runs Unity7 dash queries (such as the "mitsubishi" and "FAKE" queries), and could result in this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-songkick/+bug/147661413:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1476614 in Unity Songkick Scope "Songkick are concerned about our API usage" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:36
davidcallegoing on*13:36
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robin-heroHi! DanChapman: We talked about a bug in Dekko's translation a few weeks ago. The "To" string isn't translated when you compose a new mail. You said it'll be okay with the next release, but it's still not working.13:52
jibeldavidcalle, nothing that I know.13:52
jibeldavidcalle, maybe ask the CI team?13:52
davidcallejibel, thanks13:54
eschatusogra_: No luck. But with -vv, at least it wrote to /var/logs/system-image/client.log. The error was the same, however: HASH ERROR (http://paste.ubuntu.com/11914500/)14:03
eschatusSeems like a flash attempt is next...14:03
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ogra_eschatus, that doesnt look like ubuntu-device-flash output at all14:09
dobeythat's system-image-cli output14:12
ogra_yes14:13
eschatusogra_: Yes, that's from the last system-image-cli attempt (same result, but it shows the download completed.)14:20
draoshow can i see where are my blob for ubuntu-touch porting ?14:22
jgdxeschatus, du må få deg bredbånd!!114:26
jgdxbfiller, hotspots is in ubuntu/landing-046.14:31
robin-herojgdx: Is that mean it is arrives to rc-proposed soon? :)14:36
eschatusjgdx: Har det hjemme, men ikke her i Marseille. ;)14:37
eschatusSo, would the correct command be "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --device=arale"? Do I need "--bootstrap" when it already has Ubuntu?14:39
robin-heroI don't think --device is necessary (I never used this before). And If I am right, bootstap only needs if you don't have Ubuntu already on your device14:41
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jgdxrobin-hero, that's the aim. We will do a call for testing before then, if you are interested.14:43
jgdxogra_, ^you recommended --bootstrap?14:44
robin-herojgdx: Yes, of course. Please send a mail to the ubuntu-touch mailing list when it'll ready for testing.14:45
ogra_jgdx, yes, because it formats the partitions14:45
ogra_i want to make sure there is no fs corruption14:45
tathhu.. can I really run libreoffice on my phnoe?14:46
ogra_tathhu, well, depends on the phone14:46
ogra_on the bq ones it will likely start but not be fun to use14:47
ogra_since you have limited RAM14:47
eschatusLet's give it a bootstrap then. To be sure. :) Here we go...14:47
tathhuBut it's possible, cool.14:47
tathhu:D14:47
ogra_(and running X apps means you will have to trash your installation with a lot of hacks)14:47
tathhu:-(14:47
ogra_(so be prepared to re-flash from scratch)14:47
ogra_this is all being worked on to be implemented properly ... but it will still take its time14:48
robin-herotathhu: Why do you want to run LibreOffice on your phone? If you only want to view documents DocViewer app will be support this feature in the near future.14:48
ogra_yeah14:49
tathhurobin-hero: because.. I can?14:49
tathhuNo, not really.14:49
robin-herotathhu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itjxlzr8Bmk14:50
tathhuOh, cool14:51
* eschatus does something else while the download finishes... 70 KB/s. This n't just a flash, it's a flashback to the 90's...14:57
ogra_eschatus, well, ubuntu-device-flash at least caches the files on your desktop and wont re-download them a second time14:58
eschatusogra_: Hehe, that's good. Of course, there won't be any need for a second time, since I'm absolutely convinced this will work and the Law of Attraction says it beats Murphys Lawif you think it does...15:06
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zbenjamintedg: can you point me to the place where ual tells unity/mir about a new pid coming in?15:12
tedgzbenjamin, We don't tell it about a new PID we tell it about a new AppID: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/ubuntu-app-launch/trunk.15.10/view/head:/libubuntu-app-launch/ubuntu-app-launch.h#L14415:14
tedgzbenjamin, It then queries the PIDs from cgmanager15:15
tedgzbenjamin, via UAL15:15
zbenjamintedg: i'm prototyping a preloading applauncher atm. So i have the problem that Mir rejects my connections15:15
zbenjamintedg: i need a way to get the right pid to the right place15:16
tedgzbenjamin, Uhm, good luck :-)  You'll need to get it into the cgroup for the application after it is created. Upstart creates the cgroup. You'll also need to get it into the right apparmor profile for many trusted services.15:17
zbenjamintedg: apparmor profiles can be applied to a running process afaik.15:17
tedgzbenjamin, Sure, just noting.15:17
zbenjamintedg: but for now i just want to profile the benefit in startup time.15:17
zbenjamintedg: the problem here is, the app process itself already exists at the time when the user asks the system to start the app. Its a preforked generic process15:18
zbenjamintedg: so ual just starts a invoker tool15:19
zbenjaminit all seems to work except for the connection :(15:19
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brunch875any news on the telegram app?15:21
brunch875any fix incoming??15:21
tedgzbenjamin, Well, in general, that seems like a bad design. But eh, QML. :-(15:22
tedgzbenjamin, "let's punish non-QML apps by sucking system resources because QML sucks"15:22
tedgzbenjamin, Seems like there's no reason QML needs to have it's amazingly slow startup times. Fixing that would help apps AND unity8, which would be awesome.15:23
zbenjamintedg: yeah agreed15:24
zbenjamintedg: the thing is, you get the same slow startup with html apps, or any apps that are not hacked directly in C or C++15:25
tedgzbenjamin, Sure, so that's why the webapp container shouldn't be written in QML…15:25
tedgThen it would only have to start *one* Javascript interpreter.15:26
zbenjamintedg: starting one of them is bad enough :(15:28
* ogra_ finds the 1-2second delay when apps come back from bg more disturbing than the actual startup time 15:29
ogra_(seems to be arale specific though)15:29
ogra_but typically apps dont take any input for like 2 seconds here when they get re-focused15:30
popeybrunch875: yeah, it's in development15:31
brunch875cheeers!!15:31
popeyodd, i dont see that ogra_15:31
ogra_popey, you also dont see the screenshots vanishing from the spread i guess (leaving only the shadow) ?15:32
popeynot seen that15:32
* ogra_ has the feeling these two are kind of related15:32
zbenjamintedg: so in order to make that work i need to hack unity?15:32
ogra_popey, http://i.imgur.com/r7tnyym.png i got that all the time here15:32
ogra_(the two apps in the front onyl have shadows)15:33
tathhui saw that too15:33
tathhuiirc one on back was a shadow too15:33
tedgzbenjamin, Not sure, you might be able to hack Upstart as well. You need to get the upstart job associated with your new PID.15:33
ogra_tathhu, i filed bug 1474319 for it15:33
zbenjamintedg: that sounds like a plan15:33
zbenjamintedg: where would i need to start looking in that case?15:34
* ogra_ tickles ubot215:34
ogra_oh, it is gone !15:34
ogra_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/147431915:34
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tedgzbenjamin, https://code.launchpad.net/upstart15:35
zbenjaminerm15:35
brunch875is the bq e4.5 krillin?15:35
ogra_brunch875, yes15:35
brunch875I've had the shadow bugs on mine with both the stable and rc-proposed images15:36
ogra_wow15:36
ogra_i was sure it is a driver problem on the MX4 ...15:36
ogra_but that sounds different then15:36
zbenjamintedg: that helped :D15:36
ogra_mzanetti, ^^^^^15:36
brunch875it has only happened about 3 times though15:36
brunch875ever since I bought it on february15:36
ogra_for me it happens now after 10min of using the device15:36
ogra_in te beginning it happend only once a day15:37
ogra_now i have it nearly permanent15:37
brunch875for me it has only happened when opening apps and changing rapidly between them15:37
brunch875so they seem to load only partially15:37
eschatusogra_: Caching is good then: "Failed to enter Recovery"15:38
ogra_well, if you foreground them they reload properly15:38
ogra_eschatus, did you flash the open recovery first ?15:38
ogra_oh ... wait15:38
tedgzbenjamin, Heh, so yeah, I don't know enough of Upstart to really give pointers.15:38
brunch875I was never able to pruposedly reproduce the bug though15:38
ogra_for --bootstrap you actually need to hand the recovery.img to the --recovery-image option15:38
ogra_tedg, to bad upstart is completely unmaintained eh ? :)15:39
tedgogra_, I heard that zbenjamin is maintaining it now ;-)15:40
ogra_ah15:40
ogra_awesome15:40
* ogra_ re-assigns 300 bugs with a script 15:40
tedgIf you ask on IRC about it, you are the maintainer.15:40
* zbenjamin runs as hell15:41
ogra_to late15:41
zbenjaminogra_: when does the phone switch to systemd? :D15:45
ogra_zbenjamin, with snappy it will15:45
zbenjaminuh so not for a long time15:45
ogra_(snappy systems have some hard dep on systemd)15:46
didrocksnot on user session though15:46
ogra_right15:46
didrockswhich is what you want here15:46
zbenjaminmeans?15:46
didrocksyou need user session management, which is what upstart is doing there15:46
ogra_means that we'll prehaps never switch to systemd for user session mgmt15:47
zbenjaminah ok15:47
ogra_only for system init15:47
zbenjaminogra_: didrocks: so anyone of you two knows what to hack to make it work ? :D15:47
draoscan i install ubuntu touch on tab 2 7.0 p3110?15:47
didrockswell, I guess tedg's suggestion: upstart15:48
draosoh and is this an demo : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/15:48
zbenjamindidrocks: yeah that one i got :D15:48
didrockszbenjamin: thx and kthxbye :p15:48
zbenjamindidrocks: i ate u ! :D15:48
didrocksahah15:48
didrocks:)15:48
ogra_pmcgowan, slangasek, sil2100 see draos link above ... can we perhaps wipe that old cruft from the cdimage server ?15:48
* ogra_ isnt sure why that still exists at all15:49
draosis this an demo : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ ?15:49
zbenjamindidrocks: so that means you also do not know more.... who could know that ?15:49
ogra_draos, this is dead ... and yes, it was a demo15:49
ogra_draos, that is why it has "preview in the name"15:50
didrockszbenjamin: on what changes are needed to upstart? Our closest remaining maintainer isn't working here anymore. I guess you can ask xnox though15:50
ogra_it shouldnt realyl be there anymore15:50
didrocksI'm sure he will be happy to provide you some pointers15:50
pmcgowanogra_, sure lets deep 6 it15:50
didrocks(even if not working for us)15:50
draosthen can i install ubuntu touch on tab 2 7.0 p3110. because here its says that i can  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p311015:50
ogra_pmcgowan, well, not me,. thats why i pinged slangasek and sil2100 alongside :)15:51
zbenjamindidrocks: well as explained above. I try to prototype a preloader to boost application startup time. I need to get the right pid to unity so the process is allowed to create a mir connection15:51
didrockszbenjamin: yeah, I really guess you can't do that outside of hacking upstart15:51
* ogra_ needs to slowly put down more phone duties to concentrate on his actual work 15:52
didrockszbenjamin: hence try with xnox, I'm sure he can give you at least some starting pointers, he worked on the upstart session-side15:52
zbenjaminok15:52
zbenjaminthanks15:52
didrocksyw15:53
draoshlp15:54
draoshelp15:54
draoshelp15:55
draosplease15:55
ogra_draos, what other help do you want ? there is no install for your device currently, i pointed you to the right places to get a port going if you feel like doing it ...15:56
ogra_beyond that there isnt much anyone in her can help you with15:56
draoslook at his:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p311015:56
ogra_thats old and wont work15:56
john-mcaleelydraos, that has instructions15:56
ogra_john-mcaleely, pointing to the preview15:56
john-mcaleelydraos, and if you follow them, you'll find the files are no longer available15:56
john-mcaleelyspecifically the 'device file'15:57
ogra_john-mcaleely, which sadly *is* still on cdimage15:57
john-mcaleelyon the linked xda forum15:57
john-mcaleelyso, there is no way to do what you want15:57
ogra_except for starting a completely new port indeed15:57
john-mcaleelyexactly15:57
ogra_(which is the info i'm trying to get across since two days now :) )15:58
draosyes i know but an somebody take the files from ubuntu one(device-specific) and give it to me15:58
john-mcaleelywell, if they see this chat, I'm sure they will be in touch15:59
slangasekpmcgowan, ogra_: yes, I'll remove that preview directory now.  I'm assuming we don't care about archiving these files off?15:59
ogra_buut these files obviously do not exist anymore15:59
ogra_slangasek, unlikely15:59
john-mcaleelyI'd archive them, but I'm a sentimental fool15:59
pmcgowannaw they are stale16:00
john-mcaleelyindeed16:00
draoshelp;016:00
ogra_john-mcaleely, you could quickly wget them to your laptop ;)16:00
john-mcaleelyogra_, I'm not *that* bothered16:00
ogra_hah16:00
slangasekpmcgowan, john-mcaleely, ogra_: summarily excuted16:00
john-mcaleelynice16:00
ogra_yay16:00
ogra_one legacy wart less :)16:01
davmor2slangasek: why are you executing people????16:01
ogra_davmor2, because he can !16:01
davmor2ogra_: shut up you are one the people he executed at least play dead ;)16:02
ogra_X|16:02
davmor2hahaha16:02
draosplease16:04
ogra_draos, begging wont help in any way ... what you want is not possible16:05
ogra_start a new port or find someone to do a port of the recent code for your device16:05
draosok can somewone port my device?16:05
* tathhu wants a laptop with touchscreen :(16:06
* ogra_ wants icecream 16:07
tathhuwow16:07
ogra_yeah, i'm easy to please :)16:07
tathhu:P16:07
draoscan somewone port my device?16:07
davmor2ogra_: you say that, you try carrying it from here to yours, trust me no icecream by the time I walk there ;)16:08
tathhudraos: why don't you do it by yourself?16:08
ogra_draos, to do a port that someone would need to have the device ... (not sure there are any people here that own the same device you have, starting a call on the xda forums might be more helpful)16:08
* tathhu too lazy to read backlog16:08
draoshow to extract blobs from my device?16:08
draoscan i be an ubuntu developer?16:09
ogra_everyone can be an ubuntu developer :)16:09
tathhu;316:09
draosso i can make my version of ubuntu ?16:09
ogra_just fix a bug or submit some code :)16:09
tathhualmost related: https://twitter.com/_Ninji/status/62352472865807155216:10
ogra_heh, fedora jokes16:10
draosi posted on xda16:32
draosmy problem. here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/ubuntu-touch-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-0-t316220116:32
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ogra_draos, good luck with it16:35
* ogra_ hopes you find someone to help with it 16:35
draoscan u guys see my post and post something for my help ? :)16:38
draosguys ?16:40
draos_hi16:44
draos_i closed because i insalled xchat16:44
draoshi17:10
draoshelp me with this please : http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/ubuntu-touch-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-0-t316220117:12
dobeyhmm, someone should probably go through the devices wiki page and strip all the really old and unmaintained ports from the list17:45
dobeylots of things that haven't been touched in 2 years it seems17:45
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=== dpm-afk is now known as dpm
popeydobey: knock yourself out.18:21
ogra_yeah, sounded like volunteering18:21
mcphailDoes anyone here work on the gallery app?18:23
mcphailIt doesn't work at all well on my phone and I'm wondering whether it is a general problem or something specific to my setup18:25
ogra_"doesn't work" is such a broad statement18:25
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mcphailogra_: it is a broad problem, unfortunately18:26
popeyin what way?18:26
ogra_well, can you be more specific ?18:26
ogra_definitely works fine for me18:27
mcphailWhen opened, all thumbnails repeatedly refresh (very very very laggy) then re-refresh when scrolling, then refresh again. opening a picture takes several minutes18:27
popeyon krillin?18:27
mcphailyes18:27
* popey tests18:27
juzzlinonly problem I know is that when I took a photo it's not in the gallery18:27
mcphailhas always been this way18:27
popeyon the retail image?18:27
mcphailyes OTA518:28
mcphail(and all OTAs since purchase)18:28
ogra_on arale they dont refresh and opening a photo takes seconds18:28
popeyi just opened it and it didnt redraw here18:28
ogra_(well, singular ... one second )18:28
mcphailAny way I can clear the databse?18:28
popeythere's some nasty flicker when clicking an image18:28
popeylooks like a toolkit bug18:29
popeywhen it transitions from windowed to full screen18:29
mcphailMust be something wrong with my setup18:30
popeydo you have like a bazillion pictures?18:32
mcphailI have about 100 "photos" in the app (mainly CD cover art it has dragged in from my music folder). Displaying the thumbnails takes >5 minutes on each load. Opening a picture takes between 1 -- 4 minutes18:33
* popey looks at his18:33
mcphailhence "doesn't work" :(18:33
mcphailSD card is a class 1018:33
mcphailNo deeply nested directories18:34
popeyI only have 14 images on my device18:34
* popey copies some over from his other krillin18:34
popeymcphail: anything in the gallery logs or maybe thumbnailer?18:37
popeyoh, i have tons of images from music too18:38
popeymcphail: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-193845.png18:38
mcphailpopey: not that I can see, but quite awkward to check as I just have app terminal access rather than adb just now18:38
popeyyou seeing that kind of thing a lot?18:38
ogra_funny, i dont have a single cover art pic in gallery18:39
popeydo you have any images in the music folder though ogra_ ?18:39
ogra_despite having a lot of music (with coverart) in the music folder18:39
mcphailpopey: lots of that, repeatedly18:39
popeyor is all your artwork embedded18:39
ogra_ah, i think it is all thumbnailed by music app or scope indeed18:39
popeyok, mcphail confirmed then, I see that a lot18:39
popeyno18:39
popeythumbnailed by thumbnailer, not music app18:39
mcphaildoes the gallery app use mediahub at all?18:39
ahayzenthe thumbnailer service thumbnails it ;-)18:40
ogra_well, yeah :)18:40
popeyWHOOSH! ahayzen to clarify18:40
* ogra_ usually has ripped CDs as flac files ... so no cover art 18:40
ahayzenyeah just had about a million highlights with the word "music" :'( lol18:40
popeyok, mcphail done a full pass up and down gallery now, once all the thumbnails have loaded, it doesn't reload anymore18:40
popeyif you let it do each image before moving on18:40
popeyi see no spinners anymore18:40
mcphailpopey: if you scroll a page before all thumbnails on that screen have loaded, do _all_ the thumbnails reload?18:41
popeysomething like that, yes18:41
popeynot sure all18:41
mcphailpopey: It takes about 2 minutes for all thumbnails to appear on a single screen here18:41
popeyit may take that long here too18:41
popeyas may have happened while we were talking18:42
* popey kills it and starts again18:42
mcphailogra_: do you see it taking so long?18:42
popeyi do hate the today scope reminding me how far away the next bank holiday is18:42
ogra_mcphail, no, but i probably have 50-100 photos on my arale18:42
ogra_not that much18:42
popeyits cached them now18:42
mcphailogra_: that's the same as me on krillin18:43
popeykilling / restarting gallery means it doesn't re-scan18:43
mcphailpopey: only for a while18:43
popeybfiller: do we have a target for gallery going away?18:43
ogra_i dont see them load at all ... after the spinning circle they show up immediately18:43
ogra_all at once18:43
popeymcphail: need to pull some logs18:43
mcphailogra_: can you test something then?18:43
popeyi dont see the spinning anymore18:43
ogra_so i guess my cache is nicely up to date18:43
bfillerpopey: no18:44
ogra_popey, i mean the central spinniner for the app startup18:44
mcphailogra_: can you place an image or 2 under a path with a "#" character in it and see if it messes up the gallery loading?18:45
ahayzenpopey, you can delete the folder cache or mv the folder18:46
popeymcphail: that should, known bug with the thumbnailer isn't it?18:47
popeybug http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-193845.png18:47
popeyoops18:47
* mcphail is wondering whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1449790 is causing problems18:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1449790 in Media Hub "Fails to play a file with a # (hash symbol) in the path" [Undecided,Triaged]18:47
popeybug 147631118:47
ubot5bug 1476311 in Ubuntu Music App "Playback stops when encountering a media file with a '#' symbol in the filename" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147631118:47
popeymaybe related18:47
ahayzenpopey, yeah man that bug is horrible :-/18:47
* popey goes to make chicken wings18:47
popeybiab18:47
ahayzenpopey, like ms2/mh/thumnailer all seem to take different formats18:47
ogra_mcphail, it just indexed the 2 new pics on load ... thats about it18:48
ogra_no delay or anything18:48
mcphailogra_: ok - thanks for checking18:48
ogra_popey, do you happen to know what the plans wrt google photos are now that they shut down the G+ service ?18:59
* ogra_ guesses we need a new/separate app for uploading pics to G+ now 19:00
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mariogripahoneybun: The op2 will cost $322??? :O http://pocketnow.com/2015/06/18/oneplus-2-pricing-221:00
ahoneybunno way21:06
ahoneybunI hope so21:06
ahoneybunwelll21:06
ahoneybunmariogrip: they did say they are buying in much more bulk this time which would lower the price of each part21:07
mariogripahoneybun: Yes! but $320 for an snapdragon 810 with 4GB ram is Amazing!21:14
mariogripI can buy 3 op2 for a price of one Iphone 621:15
ahoneybunanything under 450 at all is amazing21:15
ahoneybuncheaper then the One lol21:15
mariogripyeah xP21:15
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robert_ancellWhat is the standard channel for the Meizu to be on?21:42
robert_ancellubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en I'm guessing21:45
popeyrobert_ancell: mine is on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en for bleeding edge stuff21:49
robert_ancellpopey, cool. I'm on some random old devel channel and just trying to get back to something that will OTA :)21:49
robert_ancellI've opened bug 147684221:49
ubot5bug 1476842 in Ubuntu Developer Portal "Image channels for Meizu MX4 not listed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147684221:49
popeythis will21:50
popeyrobert_ancell: ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=arale21:50
robert_ancellyeah, that's how I found ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en which is version 3 and what eveyones G+ posts seem to suggest OTA-5 is21:51
popeyya21:51
tathhupopey: living on the edge ~22:00
popeynot quite, I'm not running wily22:02
popeythat way lies madness22:02
mcphailI need to get myself a device for running peculiar channels22:03
mcphail(or get around to trying to port for my S3)22:04
popeyoh, btw, if you want to get logs off your device easily22:06
popeycat foo.log | nc termbin.com 999922:06
* mcphail tries to work out if that is a spurious use of cat... ;)22:07
popeyheh possibly :)22:08
popeyeveryone catches me doing that22:08
mcphailmy brain is too tired to parse shell redirection. Has been rotted by the poor standard of chat in #ubuntu this evening22:10
mcphailIs it rude to file a bug if I don't like an icon?22:13
popeywhich icon?22:13
mcphailbrowser.22:13
geniiWould be more like a feature request/wishlist than a bug at that point22:14
mcphailmagnetic compasses have no relation to web browsing (bar some tenuous link to Netscape Navigator) and too closely resemble clocks22:14
popey:)22:15
mcphail</rant>22:16
mcphail(and any tourist who takes a compass on Safari deserves to get bitten by a hippo)22:18
ahoneybunmariogrip: We can tell you now that the price of the 2 will certainly be higher than $322.22:20
mariogripahoneybun: nobody know yet, but it would be cool.22:21
ahoneybun350 would be a steal22:21
mariogripyeah, i know22:22
popeyogra_: seeing that ghosting thing http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-233057.png22:31
ogra_yay, i'm not alone22:31
ogra_your ghost even has eyes !!22:31
popeythen if i tap one the app wakes up22:31
ogra_yep22:31
ogra_i got that pretty much permanently here22:31
ogra_after abut 20-30min it starts22:32
popeyso unity8 isn't keeping the screenshots22:32
ogra_yeah22:32
ogra_bug 147431922:33
ubot5bug 1474319 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "app spread only shows shadows of apps, no content" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147431922:33
ogra_someone said today he sees it on the vegeta too22:34
* popey confirms22:35
mcphailooh - krillin's screen is just the right size for viewing Brian May's stereoscopic image of Pluto22:39
popeyhaha22:39
popeyholding it right up to your face?22:39
mcphailyep22:39
popeylulz22:39
jgdxmcphail, link??22:40
mcphailhttp://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh-pluto-stero.jpg22:40
popeybattery gauge in arale is completely bonkers22:41
popeyit just died tellin me 1%, the "bios" battery gague says 93%22:41
jgdxpopey, yes sir. mad22:41
jgdxmcphail, isn't that just ctrl+c ctrl+v in phot^H^H gimp?22:42
mcphailjgdx: nope - several days apart. Just enough for the stereoscopic shift22:42
mcphailhttp://www.nasa.gov/feature/rock-starastrophysicist-dr-brian-may-goes-backstage-with-new-horizons22:43
ahoneybunmariogrip: https://plus.google.com/106959654928802469327/posts/hvmoBu2WN8B22:45
jgdxmcphail, okay, cool. my tired brain expected http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li63sx8Rj91qhp4fro1_500.gif22:45
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mcphailaargh. That gif makes me seasick22:47
popeyogra_: had any issues with your alternative web container and cookies?22:49
popeyogra_: making one for google photos, ripped off from your google plus one22:50
popeyeverything I tap it pops up a google photos wizard22:50
popeylike it never remembers that I've already seen it22:53
elimistevecongratulations on the excellent high-profile review at www.businessinsider.com/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-review-2015-7 !23:10
elimistevegj popey and the rest of the team!23:10
popeyblimey23:10
popeygood spot elimisteve23:10
ahayzenshame most of the criticisms were fixed in OTA523:11
ahayzen..or shame they did the review before OTA523:11
elimisteve:-)23:11
elimisteveah did they?23:11
elimistevethe battery life is better now? I'm reading http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/meizu-mx-4-ubuntu-edition-gets-better-battery-life-led-notifications-and-more-487350.shtml and it sounds like it23:12
ahayzenthey stated the battery was bad and the scopes/ui lagged/stuttered...which i believe are now fixed popey ?23:12
elimisteve"Overall battery life improvements, power consumption in normal usage greatly improved"23:13
elimistevesays https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-523:13
ahayzenyup :-)23:14
popeythe battery gauge is the problem for me23:19
popeyit actually lasts ages, but lies23:19
popeymine just said it had 1% left, and shut down. I plugged power in and it says it has 93%23:19
ahayzenmagic23:23
ahoneybunhey ahayzen23:23
ahayzenahoneybun, yo23:23
ahoneybunahayzen: have DownloadManager exp?23:23
ahayzenahoneybun, strangely no i've actually never used it :-/23:24
ahoneybundarn23:24
ahayzenhehe23:24
ahayzenwhats up?23:24
ahoneybuntrying to use it23:24
ahoneybunto download pdfs23:24
ahayzenhave a look at an app that does use it like the browser23:24
ahoneybunoh.23:25
ahoneybunthe docs should work...23:25
ahoneybunthey don;t even work XD23:25
ahayzenhah23:25
ahoneybun1600 downloads for uBeginner23:25
ahayzen\o/23:26
ahoneybun\o/23:26
ahoneybunhttps://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.DownloadManager.SingleDownload/23:27
ahoneybunI'm worried the app will never be finished at this pace...23:28
tathhuInteresting, there's no sound on youtube-videso23:29
frode_hi. im having some trouble installing ubuntu on my old mobile, its an Samsung galaxy mini, and it just got stuck right before i could install the clockworkmod, (the screen just says Downloading, do not turn off target). what can i do to fix this?23:40
ahoneybunmariogrip: we're buddies now lol23:46
mariogripahoneybun: Yeah, i heard that the 810 was overheating, but didn't they use the v2.1?23:46
mariogripahoneybun: yeah :D23:47
ahoneybunmariogrip: they say that they are using all 8 cores at once but at a lower freq23:47
ahoneybunlike 1.8 gz for all 823:47
ahoneybunso it will not over heat23:47
ahoneybunor get hot I should say23:47
mariogripahoneybun: Okey, but that still nice23:48
ahoneybunyea of course lol23:49
ahoneybunplus 4gb of RAM it will be a best23:49
ahoneybun*beast23:49
mariogripYeah! #convergence23:52
ahoneybunthe thing that would make true convergence is that type c usb mariogrip :)23:54
mariogripfrode_:  Are the device supported? I cannot seem to find a port that is for the samsung galaxy Mini23:55
mariogripahoneybun: yes! I hope it gets true otg HD23:55
mariogriplike the one does not support otg HDMI23:56
ahoneybunthat is a thing!23:57
ahoneybun?23:57
mariogripyes!23:57
ahoneybunsweet23:57
mariogriphttp://img.focalprice.com//860x666/MA/MA0147/MA0147B.jpg23:57

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