[04:59] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-is-now-available-for-purchase-freely-in-europe-487334.shtml
[05:28] <toch> does any1 knows th hardware and vendor folder for p3110 for this : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[05:32] <toch> help please
[05:40] <toch> how to port ubuntu touch to tab 2 7.0 p3110
[05:43] <toch> help please
[05:46] <toch> yu
[05:46] <toch> help me please
[05:46] <toch> any2
[08:03] <TonyBoston> do you guys know an app for Webdav on Ubuntu Touch?
[08:03] <TonyBoston> also, how can I search for Scopes in the Store?
[08:04] <TonyBoston> all I can see is "Top Scopes" but nothing like "show ALL scopes"
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <svij> TonyBoston: I think it's easier to check on uappexplorer.com → https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=scope
[08:14] <TonyBoston> thanks svij
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Viking 1 Landing Day! 😃
[09:08] <pete-woods> jgdx: with the work yesterday, the hotspot seems to be behaving itself now
[09:16] <jgdx> pete-woods, nice. /me installs silo
[09:19] <eschatus> jgdx: Unfortunately, removing and adding the u1 account didn't help with the MX4 upgrade (from version 1 to 3) - as soon as the upgrade is downloaded, it displays the update failed message.
[09:20] <eschatus> I wonder, could it matter that I'm on wifi and have mobile data off?
[09:20] <jgdx> eschatus, is your system image partition writable?
[09:20] <eschatus> jdgx: Havent made any changes, just reset everything a couple of times since it wouldn't upgrade.
[09:21] <eschatus> should I remount as rw?
[09:21] <jgdx> eschatus, not now
[09:23] <jgdx> eschatus, I'd file a bug against csi [1] if there's not one matching your bug's description already. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug
[09:24] <eschatus> jgdx: Thanks, looking there now...
[09:26] <jgdx> eschatus, thank you.
[09:35] <eschatus> jgdx: Couldn't find a matching case there. I'd like to try some more before I file a bug though - since this has been failing from the start, and noone else has reported the same problem, I must have done something different. Like a choice of locales or... network name? It does complain about MMS not being ok because of my wifi name... Do you know which logs should contain update errors? Can it be run from the command line with adb?
[09:37] <jgdx> eschatus, I'm not knowledgeable when it comes to updates. Try running sudo system-image-cli -v
[09:37] <jgdx> ogra_, you're an expert ^^
[09:38] <ogra_> eschatus, the U1 account data only helps for app updates, it isnt involved in system updates at all ...
[09:39] <ogra_> did you tinker with the device in any way ? like making it writable or some such ? that could surely make the update break
[09:41] <eschatus> ogra_: Makes sense. It worked on the BQ - which updated the system but wouldn't do the apps. The MX updates the apps, but not the system. No tinkering - the system update has been failing from the start...
[09:43] <dadexix86> OTA-5 on bq Aquaris 4.5 has brought a HUGE battery improvement. This is definitely super impressive, many congratulations to everybody who worked on that!
[09:43] <eschatus> jgdx: Running system-image-cli -v now...
[09:43] <jgdx> eschatus, sudo
[09:43] <ogra_> well, what jgdx said might help. run system-image-cli -vvv via adb, ssh or the terminal (dont switch the app to bg if you do that though) and see if there are any errors or tracebacks ... i would recommand doing a fresh reboot before calling the command (and it might need sudo, i cant remember)
[09:44] <ogra_> dadexix86, awesome to hear !
[09:45] <eschatus> jgdx: was root already with sudo -i
[09:46] <ogra_> oh, be careful with that ... you might get a different environment using a login shell
[09:48] <mcphail> With the update to OTA5, what is the minimum I need to do for my self-made apps work well with rotation (e.g. not have UI elements offscreen and out of reach)? Wrap everytging in a Flickable component?
[09:51] <ogra_> if you have to ask that question you should probably re-visit your layout, yes :)
[09:51] <mcphail> ha!
[09:51] <ogra_> or use the option to lock your app to a certain rotation in the desktop file
[09:52] <mcphail> ogra_: my components are laid out in a Column on a Page, but the Page isn't scrollable by default
[09:53] <jgdx> column is very bare, simple
[09:53]  * mcphail trundles off to look at the docs
[09:54] <jgdx> it's mean to arrange items in columns, as well as space them and do transitions on add/remove/move.
[09:54] <jgdx> s/mean/meant
[09:55] <mcphail> jgdx: yes - perfect for my needs :)
[09:56] <eschatus> ogra_: Ok, cancelled - hope I didn't break anything... Restarting, then running: "sudo system-image-cli -vvv | tee ~/Documents/upgradelog.txt" as phablet@ubuntu-phablet (in phone terminal in stead of through adb)....
[09:56] <eschatus> Ok, that's weird.
[09:56] <ogra_> eschatus, canceling wont be enough (this is why i suggested a reboot) ...
[09:56] <ogra_> the backend can take 20-30 minutes to time out after you canceled
[09:56] <ogra_> so better reboot and start over
[09:57] <eschatus> (rebooted) pasting log
[09:58] <jgdx> mcphail, but no scrolling :)
[09:58] <mcphail> jgdx: yes - had hoped the Page would scroll
[09:59] <mcphail> jgdx: scrollling wasn't needed until last night :)
[10:01] <jgdx> mcphail, heh, okay. :) It doesn't, and you probably read that the flickable does.
[10:05] <eschatus> tee didn't work as expected, log file was 0 bytes - but it fails with an "uncaught exception in state machine" after "Group download reactor done": Missing destination: Record(url='https://system-image.ubuntu.com/gpg/blacklist.ing.tar.xz', checksum='')
[10:06] <mcphail> jgdx: Might be useful to make Page be wrapped in a Flickable by default (if it isn't already). Could have a "flickable" property - which could default to "off" I suppose.
[10:06] <eschatus> Is that because of the 20-30 minute timeout? Or because I ran it as root the first time...?
[10:07] <jgdx> mcphail, maybe, but then you'd have to talk with the uitk guys :)
[10:07] <mcphail> ooh - it has a flickable property already...
[10:08] <mcphail> ...that's just for the header...
[10:08] <eschatus> ogra_: Doing a complete erase & reset now before trying again. Do you have recommended locale first run choices for locale etc?
[10:09] <ogra_> nope
[10:09] <eschatus> Maybe English UK in stead of US, since, well, I'm a norwegian in France. :)
[10:10] <jgdx> mcphail, yeah, but you use it as a wrapper for all your content (layout dependent ofc)
[10:12] <jibel> eschatus, the logs of the upgrader are in /var/log/system-image . Did you reset your phone or you still have access to the logs?
[10:13] <ogra_> eschatus, oh, on a sidenote, which channel are you on ?
[10:13] <ogra_> (i assume the default stable one ? just to be sure)
[10:17] <eschatus> jibel: reset already... Ready for another upgrade attempt now.
[10:17] <ogra_> eschatus, in any case, if you dont get it working, wait for barry, he maintains system-image
[10:17] <eschatus> ogra_: Haven't changed anything, so I assume stable :)
[10:18]  * ogra_ isnt sure if the reset code wipes the /cache dir btw, perhaps there is some half downloaded cruft in it 
[10:20] <jgdx> eschatus, run system-image-cli -i for channel info to confirm you're on stable.
[10:20] <eschatus> ogra_: Could be. I'll check. Got encouraged by the output when running system-image-cli as root - It looked promising but I cancelled while downloading. The error while phablet@ might be because I cancelled...?
[10:20] <eschatus> jgdx: Ok. one or two sec...
[10:21] <eschatus> Is adb shell ok, or should I download and use the terminal?
[10:21] <ogra_> well, run "system-image-cli -i" (no sudo or root)
[10:22] <ogra_> and pastebin that somewhere
[10:24] <ogra_> eschatus, to clean the cache dir: sudo rm -rf /cache/recovery/*
[10:24] <ogra_> (do *not* rm anything above that)
[10:24] <jgdx> pete-woods, silo 46 is currently my fav silo
[10:30] <pete-woods> jgdx: does that mean it works? or that it's breaking in highly entertaining ways?
[10:33] <eschatus> ok, here we go: system-image-cli -i => http://pastebin.com/3XcRaESE
[10:34] <eschatus> ogra_: My update attempt as root seems to have stored some files in cache/recovery. Deleting the files there (and nothing above) now.
[10:35] <ogra_> current build number: 0
[10:35] <ogra_> WOW
[10:36] <eschatus> ogra_: Yep. Not much, that.
[10:37] <ogra_> eschatus, did you play with the --switch option of system-image-cli or some such ? that should definitely not be 0
[10:39] <ogra_> (--switch resets it to 0 before switching to another channel to force a full image download ... which indeed requires a lot of free space in /cache/recovery)
[10:40] <eschatus> ogra_: lol no. I never got around to playing with the phone really. I got it on july 10, and a couple of days later I tried to update it (normally) and it just kept failing...
[10:40] <ogra_> wow, trhats bad
[10:42] <eschatus> Maybe a failed update because of lost network connection or something could have broken something...?
[10:42] <jgdx> pete-woods, that it's bringing it home
[10:42] <ogra_> well, that should still recover somehow
[10:42]  * jgdx works on his baseball metaphors
[10:42] <eschatus> Anyway, I'm back in with adb now - moved the files in /cache/recovery to ~/Documents/recovery (just in case they could be useful) ...
[10:42] <ogra_> the logs might
[10:46] <toch> hi doods
[10:46] <jgdx> pete-woods, only thing I'm seeing is a failure to connect to onReportError
[10:47] <jgdx> pete-woods, I'm unsure how to communicate the various errors that can occur. I don't know if you figured out that I just re-used NM's connection failure codes.
[10:48] <eschatus> ogra_: The "log" file came to the conclusion that the "Update succeeded" this morning at 10:07 - which it clearly didn't. Since system-image-cli -i says the same, I assume the reason for the build number mess is running as root. With cache/recovery now empty, I guess it's time to try againg now - with -vvv - as the phablet user?
[10:51] <ogra_> eschatus, i think you need sudo (not root, as i said, that might give you a different env)
[10:51]  * eschatus prepares to run "sudo system-image-cli -vvv > ~/Documents/update.log" as the phablet user... What exciting things could happen this time? :)
[10:51] <pete-woods> jgdx: that's a mistake. that signal should still be present
[10:51] <ogra_> we'll see ...
[10:51] <pete-woods> might be a simple typo
[10:52] <eschatus> Goodnews: it's downloading the update - no keyring error this time.
[10:52] <ogra_> if you cant get it fixed via system-image-cli you can worst case still use ubuntu-device-flash and do a --bootstrap flash, that would be like an install from scratch
[10:52] <jgdx> pete-woods, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913825/
[10:52] <pete-woods> jgdx: seems I've lost that code during some rebasing :/
[10:52] <pete-woods> well spotted :)
[10:55] <jgdx> pete-woods, :)
[10:56] <eschatus> ogra_: That might turn out to be the ultimate solution. :) We'll see how this goes. Got a bad french adsl connection tso this takes awhile...
[10:56] <jgdx> pete-woods, only thing is that the list of APs in the indicator is a bit random. When the hotspot is enabled, it says I'm still connected to my local ap.
[10:56] <ogra_> i know what you mean ... got a bad german SDSL line here :)
[10:58] <jgdx> pete-woods, nmcli confirms: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913855/
[11:00] <pete-woods> jgdx: yeah, I think that's a separate bug in the indicator
[11:01] <pete-woods> it clearly doesn't handle the wifi toggle being done from somewhere outside the indicator itself
[11:01] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay, but the indicator is right. I just didn't know you could have an ap hotspot active while connected.
[11:01] <pete-woods> jgdx: oh right, that's strange indeed
[11:01] <jgdx> … to a different wifi network
[11:01] <pete-woods> that doesn't sound possible..
[11:02] <jgdx> this is arale.. maybe it's capable?
[11:02] <pete-woods> jgdx: I think modern chipsets are capable, for doing things like miracast
[11:03] <pete-woods> but I figured you needed special configuration for that..
[11:03] <ogra_> the driver most likely inst
[11:03] <ogra_> on arale
[11:03] <ogra_> *isnt
[11:03] <jgdx> ogra_, then how who what http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11913855/
[11:04] <jgdx> I was connected to Ubuntu on my laptop while talking to yas
[11:04] <ogra_> i was referring to miracast
[11:04] <jgdx> ohk
[11:15] <draos> hi i have an tablet with ubuntu touch but the resolution is too small
[11:16] <jgdx> pete-woods, there's also a minor bug where the "Change" button is sensitive without making a change. I vaguely recall this working.
[11:16] <pete-woods> jgdx: hmm, okay, that was working for me (i.e. you have to type in a long enough password)
[11:16] <pete-woods> that sort of thing..
[11:17] <jgdx> pete-woods, there's a password there already.. i'm configuring an existing one
[11:17] <pete-woods> jgdx: at any rate, I've wired up the reportError signal now
[11:17] <jgdx> nice
[11:17] <pete-woods> fortunately it was just the top-level QML binding where it went missing
[11:17] <draos> help
[11:19] <jgdx> pete-woods, maybe the rebase ate the code for the change button sensitivity as well?
[11:19] <pete-woods> jgdx: I guess it's possible..
[11:20] <draos> please
[11:20] <draos> http://imgur.com/au7FfQT heres an pic
[11:21] <davmor2> draos: what are you wanting help with
[11:21] <ogra_> draos, that looks like a very old release before 14.10 ... that wont run
[11:21] <ogra_> (well, it will run but apps are screenshots and the like, this is a demo)
[11:22] <draos> its an build build from this link : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:22] <ogra_> draos, definitely not ... it doesnt use any recent rootfs
[11:22] <draos> how can u tell
[11:23] <ogra_> this image is like 2 years old
[11:23] <ogra_> by the old UI
[11:23] <davmor2> draos: because that is an ancient background
[11:23] <ogra_> when that UI desin was in use the image was not functional
[11:23] <draos> i liked this ui and i installed it :)
[11:23] <ogra_> draos, also you really dont need to change your nickname ... the answers you will get wont change
[11:24] <ogra_> well, if you like that UI, enjoy it ... but you wont be able to run any apps on it or make any use of it
[11:24] <ogra_> its a demo
[11:25] <draos> ok can u help me with the resolution please?
[11:25] <ogra_> (and a very very outdated one as well)
[11:25] <draos> oh and btw im working on ubuntu 16.04( an version by me) :))))))))))
[11:25] <ogra_> well, you want 15.10
[11:25] <ogra_> 16.04 is not for phones/tablets
[11:26] <ogra_> er4r
[11:26] <ogra_> you want 15.04
[11:26] <ogra_> (15.10 isnt for phones or tablets amd 16,.04 development wont start before october)
[11:26] <draos> no im making my own "rip off ubuntu" ubuntu 16.04
[11:27] <draos> but can u please help me with my problem?
[11:27] <ogra_> draos, also, i doubt anyone can help you much with the resolution ... the ways to change resolution we use today were sompletely different on that old demo
[11:27] <ogra_> *completely
[11:27] <ogra_> you would need to re-build the image to fix that
[11:27] <draos> but an somebody makes something for me please. * ubuntu developer
[11:28] <ogra_> (today you can easily adjust it, but that technology doesnt exist in that demo image)
[11:29] <draos> can somebody make the image for me cuz i cant find sum packages neded. oh and btw my tablet is tab 2 7.0 p3110
[11:30] <ogra_> draos, creating an image for your device is probably a matter of several months of work for an experienced programmer
[11:30] <ogra_> well, perhaps weeks ... depends how experienced
[11:31] <draos> ok can someone give me the blobs and other stuff for my tablet ?
[11:31] <ogra_> you can try it yourself if you think you know enough about android and ubuntu to follow https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:31] <ogra_> but dont expect that to go fast ... porting to a new device isnt easy
[11:31] <draos> for ubuntu touch?
[11:32] <ogra_> the blobs are surely in the android build for your device ... there are surely also tools from cyanogenmod to extract them from the android isntall
[11:32] <draos> how to extract them. i have an cm image for my tablet downloaded?
[11:32] <ogra_> check the cm documentation then
[11:32] <draos> oh and btw do blobls files ends with .so ?
[11:32] <ogra_> not necessarily
[11:33] <brobostigon> have a look on the CM wiki, its part of adb if memory serves.
[11:33]  * ogra_ would recommend to just get a nexus7 (2013) or one of the supported phones 
[11:33] <draos> ok but can i compress somehow the result into an zip file and flash it with cwm ?
[11:34] <draos> i dont have money. im an 10 years old kid
[11:34] <ogra_> why would you flash blobs without any OS around them  ?
[11:34] <ogra_> the blobs are part of something ... you need the surrounding bits too
[11:35] <draos> no the result i mean the ubuntu touch
[11:35] <ogra_> the result you only get by building like described on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:36] <ogra_> the blobs are a part of that but there is a lot more around them
[11:36] <brobostigon> on the cm wiki, part of the build of cm, is to extract those blobs out of your existing doird install for the build, look there, for that bit.
[11:36] <ogra_> yeah :)
[11:36] <brobostigon> droid*
[11:37] <draos> look at this At the end of the build process a couple of .img files will be generated in out/target/product/<codename>. You can use rootstock-ng to easily push it to your device.  Rootstock-ng is a set of scripts to create an Ubuntu rootfs (or ISO) locally on your PC like it is done by the Ubuntu cdimage server. You can have a look at its README for more info on what is happening under the hood. this means i can compress it to a
[11:37] <ogra_> no. you cant use a zip
[11:38] <ogra_> use rootstock-ng ... but thats only the last step once you have gone thorough building everything
[11:38]  * ogra_ would start at the start instead of the end :)
[11:39] <draos> i cant flash it with my pc because my able is cinda broken i coud only charge my tablet with it. i was thinching swap out the sd put in the sd in my phone and opy them to my sd and then flash it with cwm
[11:39] <ogra_> that wont work for ubuntu
[11:40] <ogra_> you need the ubuntu recovery image ... which has no support for zips, it uses tarballs and img files only
[11:40] <draos> tarballs is tar.gz?
[11:40] <ogra_> the recovery img will be build with the rest of your patched and modified tree
[11:40] <ogra_> yes
[11:41] <ogra_> you should start with setting up your build environment ... installing all the packages you need for building and checking out the phablet tree
[11:41] <draos> i did that
[11:41] <ogra_> (note that tree is something like 12GB big, that will take a while )
[11:42] <draos> i let my pc to download the all night
[11:43] <ogra_> ah, well, if you have the phablet tree already and got your build enviroment working the next bit is to find an AOSP tree for your device
[11:43] <ogra_> then merge that tree into the phablet one and rip out everything that isnt needed by ubuntu
[11:43] <draos> i did that too
[11:44] <ogra_> after that you copy the blobs in place as described in the CM documentation and make a build for your device
[11:44] <draos> where do i need to place the blobs ?
[11:45] <ogra_> that should spit our recovery.img, boot,.img and system.img  ... you flash recovery.img and boot.img with fastboot (or whatever tool allows you to do that, smasung uses something like odin i think) ... and then you use rootstock with a downloaded rootfs tar.gz and the produced system.img
[11:45] <ogra_> oh, and i forgot ... you need to patch the kernel too
[11:45] <ogra_> before building
[11:46] <ogra_> ... all as described on the above website ...
[11:46] <draos> where do i need to place the blobs ?
[11:46] <ogra_> wherever CM tells you to in their documantation
[11:46] <ogra_> worst case just take the list of files and search for each of them on the android install
[11:47] <ogra_> that should tell you where they normally live
[11:51] <eschatus> ogra_: Update failed... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11914057 - it says the reason was a HASH error...?
[11:51] <draos> how to xtract the blobs from image
[11:51] <draos> how to extract the blobs from android image
[11:51] <ogra_> draos, follow the CM documentation for your device
[11:51]  * ogra_ has the feeling there is an echo in this room today :P
[11:53] <ogra_> eschatus, well, definitely something barry should look at once he shows up ...
[11:53] <ogra_> looks like the file somehow got corrupted either during download or on disk
[11:55] <ogra_> eschatus, i dont really get why the download at 10:51 worked fine but didnt finish (it should have rebooted to recovery)
[11:55] <ogra_> or is that the same run and it just didnt output anything for 30min
[11:55] <eschatus> ogra_: It's been downloading to 100% every time, then instantly fails.
[11:55] <ogra_> s/30/40/
[11:55] <eschatus> ogra_: Same run. Bad ADSL. ;)
[11:56] <ogra_> ah
[11:57] <jgdx> if it's that bad maybe it got corrupted.. iirc it's 200+ megs
[11:57] <ogra_> even more since his channel.ini has "version: 0"
[11:58] <ogra_> that will cause a full image download instead of a delta
[12:24] <jgdx> pete-woods, I'm thinking about the hotspot test in system settings. We need to start/stop the indicator to make it pick up a dbusmock, right?
[12:26] <jgdx> pete-woods, actually, scratch that. We just mock the connectivity api.
[12:34] <pete-woods> jgdx: yes, that would be prefereable
[12:34] <pete-woods> jgdx: and the API is pretty simple
[12:34] <pete-woods> uses standard dbus properties, etc
[12:34] <pete-woods> so mocking should be really easy
[12:34] <jgdx> pete-woods, yeah, and I think we have a mock for it already for the thing we do in that plugin I can't remember.
[12:35] <pete-woods> jgdx: going forward, it'd be nice to use the connectivity API for the airplane and wifi toggles, too
[12:35] <pete-woods> as it just has simple boolean properties in the QML binding for that
[12:35] <pete-woods> instead of complicated gmenu madness
[12:35] <ogra_> eschatus, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html... you could try with ubuntu-device-flash to do a full flash
[12:35] <jgdx> pete-woods, yes, please. Where's the source for the connectivity qml bindings?
[12:36] <pete-woods> jgdx: the most up to date part is in the MR for this landing (...)
[12:36] <pete-woods> https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/+merge/264527
[12:36] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay
[12:37] <ogra_> eschatus, though use ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en as the channel
[12:37] <pete-woods> jgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/files/head:/src/connectivity-api/connectivity-qt/connectivityqt/
[12:38] <pete-woods> jgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/view/head:/data/com.ubuntu.connectivity1.NetworkingStatus.xml
[12:38] <pete-woods> jgdx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/indicator-network/wakelock-on-hotspot-active/view/head:/data/com.ubuntu.connectivity1.Private.xml
[12:38] <pete-woods> and it has those two dbus APIs
[12:38] <pete-woods> private is for the "dangerous" stuff
[12:38] <pete-woods> which NetworkingStatus is for the public "safe" stuff like "am I online"
[12:38] <pete-woods> *while
[12:39] <pete-woods> jgdx: the property UnstoppableOperationHappening is set to true while a long running operation, like toggling flight mode, is running
[12:39] <jgdx> pete-woods, no qml binding for the private stuff, though
[12:39] <jgdx> pete-woods, other than that, looking good!
[12:39] <pete-woods> jgdx: so you can bind it to the enabled property of your toggle
[12:39] <pete-woods> jgdx: no, the binding spans both
[12:40] <jgdx> pete-woods, not seeing unlockmodems though
[12:40] <pete-woods> jgdx: yeah, that's a good point, I didn't want a binding for that method, as it's a bit of a hack
[12:40] <pete-woods> before my time
[12:40] <pete-woods> would prefer a more detailed API around that
[12:41] <jgdx> pete-woods, we're currently rolling our own binding for unlockmodem and unlockmodems in System Settings.
[12:41] <pete-woods> jgdx: feel free to submit that as an MR to indicator-network
[12:42] <pete-woods> if it enables you to get it done quicker, I'll accept some simple bindings for those dbus methods
[12:42] <jgdx> pete-woods, thanks
[12:43]  * pete-woods gets tired of writing his own bindings for seemingly every dbus API
[12:43] <pete-woods> I'm kinda amazed there isn't a qnetworkmanager
[12:43] <pete-woods> qpowerd, etc
[12:43] <jgdx> pete-woods, I had the exact same thought ca 150 times.
[12:44] <jgdx> I think I should create one, tbh
[12:44] <jgdx> s/I/we
[12:44] <jgdx> s/we/you
[12:44] <pete-woods> jgdx: not a bad idea
[12:44] <jgdx> it's settled then
[12:44] <pete-woods> with more than just the generated stubs
[12:44] <pete-woods> not a small undertaking, though
[12:46] <jgdx> wizard, uss and indicator is bound to end up talking to it, and currently the bindings in uss (at least) is not well tested, nor very awesome
[12:48] <pete-woods> jgdx: yeah, we have a layer in indicator-network, called nmofono that abstracts both nm and ofono
[12:48] <pete-woods> but it also is far from perfect
[12:49] <jgdx> and that uses libqofono?
[12:49] <pete-woods> what I really wanted was to make connectivity api fully featured for all the stuff we do in USS, indicator and the wizard
[12:49] <pete-woods> yeah
[12:49] <GAM002_> hi
[12:49] <pete-woods> just exposing the functionality we actually need, with as simple an API as possible
[12:49] <pete-woods> e.g. the hotspot management
[12:49] <GAM002_> ubunutu touch available for android one?
[12:50] <GAM002_> ?
[12:50] <jgdx> pete-woods, where will the line be drawn? There are some things that e.g. USS does that neither indicator nor wizard do.
[12:50] <jgdx> I'm guessing there?
[12:50] <pete-woods> jgdx: well ideally I'd like to take that on, too
[12:51] <pete-woods> but obviously there's only me working on this now
[12:51] <GAM002_> ANDROID ONE support ubuntu? i will get update only for 1 more year from google
[12:51] <GAM002_> ANDROID ONE phones
[12:51] <pete-woods> then we can have one awesome covered set of tests (I think you would be impressed by the test setup for the indicator now) for all the low level networking functionality
[12:52] <pete-woods> obviously it'd be much much easier if you guys were able to start by developing features from inside the connectivity service first
[12:52] <pete-woods> but at the same time, I have no say, not being a manager or anything
[12:52] <pete-woods> and I don't want you to miss your milestones
[12:53] <ogra_> !devices | GAM002_
[12:53] <GAM002_> k Guess not :(
[12:54] <ogra_> GAM002_, since you most likely wont find it there, try the xda forums, sometimes someone there has done a build
[12:54] <GAM002_> ogra a build?
[12:54] <GAM002_> for what?
[12:54] <GAM002_> android one phones?
[12:54] <ogra_> ubuntu on the android one ?
[12:54] <GAM002_> ya
[12:55] <pete-woods> GAM002_: there is a list of the devices that there are builds for on that page
[12:55] <pete-woods> android one is not on the list
[12:55] <GAM002_> all android one devices have same specs right?
[12:55] <pete-woods> on that I have no idea
[12:56] <GAM002_> so if ubuntu develop 1 version all of the users from lots of nations can install ubuntu on it right? any idea about that?
[12:56] <jgdx> pete-woods, ianaa (i am not an architect) so I can't really say whether or not that's a good idea. Isn't all that out of scope for the indicator?
[12:56] <GAM002_> k
[12:56] <GAM002_> thanks for the link
[12:57] <pete-woods> jgdx: well the indicator isn't really just the indicator. it just happens that in the same process we host the connectivity API and the indicator UI
[12:57] <eschatus> ogra_: Thanks. May try that later, unless Barry shows up with a bright idea. :)  Right now I'm having another go with -vv to see if something more useful shows up in the log. -vvv didn't work.... :)
[12:57] <jgdx> pete-woods, right.. chicken or egg though
[12:58] <GAM002_> so i would be able to install but wont work properly since it needs customisation?
[12:58] <pete-woods> jgdx: at any rate. I'm not some architecture nazi, and even if I was, it's more work that I have the time for to move everything in there in a short timeframe
[12:58] <ogra_> eschatus, i just saw a mail that says barry is on vacation ... so i wouldnt count on it (and i dont know who else could help with system-image issues omn that level)
[12:58] <pete-woods> GAM002_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[12:58] <pete-woods> is the most help I can be
[12:58] <jgdx> pete-woods, I'm happy to start working on things in the indicator.
[12:59] <GAM002_> ok thanks again
[12:59] <pete-woods> but you're going to need to be a developer of some level to get that kinda thing working
[12:59] <pete-woods> jgdx: I personally think that'd be great :)
[13:00] <eschatus> ogra_: Heh, I'm on vacation too, so you never know. ;) Being constantly torn between the 31 degrees celcius pool outside and updating the new MX4... It's hard. :/
[13:00] <GAM002_> i love to create and develop things but dont know languages in deep only to do simple maths and even get confused doing that
[13:00] <pete-woods> jgdx: I'd like to be able to enable 3rd party apps to do things like be a wifi scanner app, that sorta thing
[13:00] <ogra_> eschatus, i know what you mean ... i'm melting too :)
[13:01] <pete-woods> via the connectivity API
[13:01] <pete-woods> anyway, baby steps, and this hotspot code migration makes me happy :)
[13:01] <jgdx> me too!
[13:02] <ogra_> land it already, stop chatting about it !!!!
[13:02] <ogra_> :P
[13:02] <pete-woods> needs.more.testing
[13:02] <ogra_> pfft testing :P
[13:02] <pete-woods> :D
[13:03] <pete-woods> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11914391/
[13:03] <pete-woods> anyone else getting that for the allhands?
[13:04] <ogra_> allhands ?
[13:04] <pete-woods> there's an ubuntu allhands call on now
[13:05] <ogra_> pete-woods, not on freenode :P
[13:05] <pete-woods> okay
[13:36] <davidcalle> jibel, hello, are you aware of any automated testing going that runs Unity7 dash queries (such as the "mitsubishi" and "FAKE" queries), and could result in this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-songkick/+bug/1476614
[13:36] <davidcalle> going on*
[13:52] <robin-hero> Hi! DanChapman: We talked about a bug in Dekko's translation a few weeks ago. The "To" string isn't translated when you compose a new mail. You said it'll be okay with the next release, but it's still not working.
[13:52] <jibel> davidcalle, nothing that I know.
[13:52] <jibel> davidcalle, maybe ask the CI team?
[13:54] <davidcalle> jibel, thanks
[14:03] <eschatus> ogra_: No luck. But with -vv, at least it wrote to /var/logs/system-image/client.log. The error was the same, however: HASH ERROR (http://paste.ubuntu.com/11914500/)
[14:03] <eschatus> Seems like a flash attempt is next...
[14:09] <ogra_> eschatus, that doesnt look like ubuntu-device-flash output at all
[14:12] <dobey> that's system-image-cli output
[14:13] <ogra_> yes
[14:20] <eschatus> ogra_: Yes, that's from the last system-image-cli attempt (same result, but it shows the download completed.)
[14:22] <draos> how can i see where are my blob for ubuntu-touch porting ?
[14:26] <jgdx> eschatus, du må få deg bredbånd!!1
[14:31] <jgdx> bfiller, hotspots is in ubuntu/landing-046.
[14:36] <robin-hero> jgdx: Is that mean it is arrives to rc-proposed soon? :)
[14:37] <eschatus> jgdx: Har det hjemme, men ikke her i Marseille. ;)
[14:39] <eschatus> So, would the correct command be "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en --device=arale"? Do I need "--bootstrap" when it already has Ubuntu?
[14:41] <robin-hero> I don't think --device is necessary (I never used this before). And If I am right, bootstap only needs if you don't have Ubuntu already on your device
[14:43] <jgdx> robin-hero, that's the aim. We will do a call for testing before then, if you are interested.
[14:44] <jgdx> ogra_, ^you recommended --bootstrap?
[14:45] <robin-hero> jgdx: Yes, of course. Please send a mail to the ubuntu-touch mailing list when it'll ready for testing.
[14:45] <ogra_> jgdx, yes, because it formats the partitions
[14:45] <ogra_> i want to make sure there is no fs corruption
[14:46] <tathhu> .. can I really run libreoffice on my phnoe?
[14:46] <ogra_> tathhu, well, depends on the phone
[14:47] <ogra_> on the bq ones it will likely start but not be fun to use
[14:47] <ogra_> since you have limited RAM
[14:47] <eschatus> Let's give it a bootstrap then. To be sure. :) Here we go...
[14:47] <tathhu> But it's possible, cool.
[14:47] <tathhu> :D
[14:47] <ogra_> (and running X apps means you will have to trash your installation with a lot of hacks)
[14:47] <tathhu> :-(
[14:47] <ogra_> (so be prepared to re-flash from scratch)
[14:48] <ogra_> this is all being worked on to be implemented properly ... but it will still take its time
[14:48] <robin-hero> tathhu: Why do you want to run LibreOffice on your phone? If you only want to view documents DocViewer app will be support this feature in the near future.
[14:49] <ogra_> yeah
[14:49] <tathhu> robin-hero: because.. I can?
[14:49] <tathhu> No, not really.
[14:50] <robin-hero> tathhu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itjxlzr8Bmk
[14:51] <tathhu> Oh, cool
[14:57]  * eschatus does something else while the download finishes... 70 KB/s. This n't just a flash, it's a flashback to the 90's...
[14:58] <ogra_> eschatus, well, ubuntu-device-flash at least caches the files on your desktop and wont re-download them a second time
[15:06] <eschatus> ogra_: Hehe, that's good. Of course, there won't be any need for a second time, since I'm absolutely convinced this will work and the Law of Attraction says it beats Murphys Lawif you think it does...
[15:12] <zbenjamin> tedg: can you point me to the place where ual tells unity/mir about a new pid coming in?
[15:14] <tedg> zbenjamin, We don't tell it about a new PID we tell it about a new AppID: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/ubuntu-app-launch/trunk.15.10/view/head:/libubuntu-app-launch/ubuntu-app-launch.h#L144
[15:15] <tedg> zbenjamin, It then queries the PIDs from cgmanager
[15:15] <tedg> zbenjamin, via UAL
[15:15] <zbenjamin> tedg: i'm prototyping a preloading applauncher atm. So i have the problem that Mir rejects my connections
[15:16] <zbenjamin> tedg: i need a way to get the right pid to the right place
[15:17] <tedg> zbenjamin, Uhm, good luck :-)  You'll need to get it into the cgroup for the application after it is created. Upstart creates the cgroup. You'll also need to get it into the right apparmor profile for many trusted services.
[15:17] <zbenjamin> tedg: apparmor profiles can be applied to a running process afaik.
[15:17] <tedg> zbenjamin, Sure, just noting.
[15:17] <zbenjamin> tedg: but for now i just want to profile the benefit in startup time.
[15:18] <zbenjamin> tedg: the problem here is, the app process itself already exists at the time when the user asks the system to start the app. Its a preforked generic process
[15:19] <zbenjamin> tedg: so ual just starts a invoker tool
[15:19] <zbenjamin> it all seems to work except for the connection :(
[15:21] <brunch875> any news on the telegram app?
[15:21] <brunch875> any fix incoming??
[15:22] <tedg> zbenjamin, Well, in general, that seems like a bad design. But eh, QML. :-(
[15:22] <tedg> zbenjamin, "let's punish non-QML apps by sucking system resources because QML sucks"
[15:23] <tedg> zbenjamin, Seems like there's no reason QML needs to have it's amazingly slow startup times. Fixing that would help apps AND unity8, which would be awesome.
[15:24] <zbenjamin> tedg: yeah agreed
[15:25] <zbenjamin> tedg: the thing is, you get the same slow startup with html apps, or any apps that are not hacked directly in C or C++
[15:25] <tedg> zbenjamin, Sure, so that's why the webapp container shouldn't be written in QML…
[15:26] <tedg> Then it would only have to start *one* Javascript interpreter.
[15:28] <zbenjamin> tedg: starting one of them is bad enough :(
[15:29]  * ogra_ finds the 1-2second delay when apps come back from bg more disturbing than the actual startup time 
[15:29] <ogra_> (seems to be arale specific though)
[15:30] <ogra_> but typically apps dont take any input for like 2 seconds here when they get re-focused
[15:31] <popey> brunch875: yeah, it's in development
[15:31] <brunch875> cheeers!!
[15:31] <popey> odd, i dont see that ogra_
[15:32] <ogra_> popey, you also dont see the screenshots vanishing from the spread i guess (leaving only the shadow) ?
[15:32] <popey> not seen that
[15:32]  * ogra_ has the feeling these two are kind of related
[15:32] <zbenjamin> tedg: so in order to make that work i need to hack unity?
[15:32] <ogra_> popey, http://i.imgur.com/r7tnyym.png i got that all the time here
[15:33] <ogra_> (the two apps in the front onyl have shadows)
[15:33] <tathhu> i saw that too
[15:33] <tathhu> iirc one on back was a shadow too
[15:33] <tedg> zbenjamin, Not sure, you might be able to hack Upstart as well. You need to get the upstart job associated with your new PID.
[15:33] <ogra_> tathhu, i filed bug 1474319 for it
[15:33] <zbenjamin> tedg: that sounds like a plan
[15:34] <zbenjamin> tedg: where would i need to start looking in that case?
[15:34]  * ogra_ tickles ubot2
[15:34] <ogra_> oh, it is gone !
[15:34] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1474319
[15:35] <tedg> zbenjamin, https://code.launchpad.net/upstart
[15:35] <zbenjamin> erm
[15:35] <brunch875> is the bq e4.5 krillin?
[15:35] <ogra_> brunch875, yes
[15:36] <brunch875> I've had the shadow bugs on mine with both the stable and rc-proposed images
[15:36] <ogra_> wow
[15:36] <ogra_> i was sure it is a driver problem on the MX4 ...
[15:36] <ogra_> but that sounds different then
[15:36] <zbenjamin> tedg: that helped :D
[15:36] <ogra_> mzanetti, ^^^^^
[15:36] <brunch875> it has only happened about 3 times though
[15:36] <brunch875> ever since I bought it on february
[15:36] <ogra_> for me it happens now after 10min of using the device
[15:37] <ogra_> in te beginning it happend only once a day
[15:37] <ogra_> now i have it nearly permanent
[15:37] <brunch875> for me it has only happened when opening apps and changing rapidly between them
[15:37] <brunch875> so they seem to load only partially
[15:38] <eschatus> ogra_: Caching is good then: "Failed to enter Recovery"
[15:38] <ogra_> well, if you foreground them they reload properly
[15:38] <ogra_> eschatus, did you flash the open recovery first ?
[15:38] <ogra_> oh ... wait
[15:38] <tedg> zbenjamin, Heh, so yeah, I don't know enough of Upstart to really give pointers.
[15:38] <brunch875> I was never able to pruposedly reproduce the bug though
[15:38] <ogra_> for --bootstrap you actually need to hand the recovery.img to the --recovery-image option
[15:39] <ogra_> tedg, to bad upstart is completely unmaintained eh ? :)
[15:40] <tedg> ogra_, I heard that zbenjamin is maintaining it now ;-)
[15:40] <ogra_> ah
[15:40] <ogra_> awesome
[15:40]  * ogra_ re-assigns 300 bugs with a script 
[15:40] <tedg> If you ask on IRC about it, you are the maintainer.
[15:41]  * zbenjamin runs as hell
[15:41] <ogra_> to late
[15:45] <zbenjamin> ogra_: when does the phone switch to systemd? :D
[15:45] <ogra_> zbenjamin, with snappy it will
[15:45] <zbenjamin> uh so not for a long time
[15:46] <ogra_> (snappy systems have some hard dep on systemd)
[15:46] <didrocks> not on user session though
[15:46] <ogra_> right
[15:46] <didrocks> which is what you want here
[15:46] <zbenjamin> means?
[15:46] <didrocks> you need user session management, which is what upstart is doing there
[15:47] <ogra_> means that we'll prehaps never switch to systemd for user session mgmt
[15:47] <zbenjamin> ah ok
[15:47] <ogra_> only for system init
[15:47] <zbenjamin> ogra_: didrocks: so anyone of you two knows what to hack to make it work ? :D
[15:47] <draos> can i install ubuntu touch on tab 2 7.0 p3110?
[15:48] <didrocks> well, I guess tedg's suggestion: upstart
[15:48] <draos> oh and is this an demo : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:48] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yeah that one i got :D
[15:48] <didrocks> zbenjamin: thx and kthxbye :p
[15:48] <zbenjamin> didrocks: i ate u ! :D
[15:48] <didrocks> ahah
[15:48] <didrocks> :)
[15:48] <ogra_> pmcgowan, slangasek, sil2100 see draos link above ... can we perhaps wipe that old cruft from the cdimage server ?
[15:49]  * ogra_ isnt sure why that still exists at all
[15:49] <draos> is this an demo : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ ?
[15:49] <zbenjamin> didrocks: so that means you also do not know more.... who could know that ?
[15:49] <ogra_> draos, this is dead ... and yes, it was a demo
[15:50] <ogra_> draos, that is why it has "preview in the name"
[15:50] <didrocks> zbenjamin: on what changes are needed to upstart? Our closest remaining maintainer isn't working here anymore. I guess you can ask xnox though
[15:50] <ogra_> it shouldnt realyl be there anymore
[15:50] <didrocks> I'm sure he will be happy to provide you some pointers
[15:50] <pmcgowan> ogra_, sure lets deep 6 it
[15:50] <didrocks> (even if not working for us)
[15:50] <draos> then can i install ubuntu touch on tab 2 7.0 p3110. because here its says that i can  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3110
[15:51] <ogra_> pmcgowan, well, not me,. thats why i pinged slangasek and sil2100 alongside :)
[15:51] <zbenjamin> didrocks: well as explained above. I try to prototype a preloader to boost application startup time. I need to get the right pid to unity so the process is allowed to create a mir connection
[15:51] <didrocks> zbenjamin: yeah, I really guess you can't do that outside of hacking upstart
[15:52]  * ogra_ needs to slowly put down more phone duties to concentrate on his actual work 
[15:52] <didrocks> zbenjamin: hence try with xnox, I'm sure he can give you at least some starting pointers, he worked on the upstart session-side
[15:52] <zbenjamin> ok
[15:52] <zbenjamin> thanks
[15:53] <didrocks> yw
[15:54] <draos> hlp
[15:54] <draos> help
[15:55] <draos> help
[15:55] <draos> please
[15:56] <ogra_> draos, what other help do you want ? there is no install for your device currently, i pointed you to the right places to get a port going if you feel like doing it ...
[15:56] <ogra_> beyond that there isnt much anyone in her can help you with
[15:56] <draos> look at his:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3110
[15:56] <ogra_> thats old and wont work
[15:56] <john-mcaleely> draos, that has instructions
[15:56] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, pointing to the preview
[15:56] <john-mcaleely> draos, and if you follow them, you'll find the files are no longer available
[15:57] <john-mcaleely> specifically the 'device file'
[15:57] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, which sadly *is* still on cdimage
[15:57] <john-mcaleely> on the linked xda forum
[15:57] <john-mcaleely> so, there is no way to do what you want
[15:57] <ogra_> except for starting a completely new port indeed
[15:57] <john-mcaleely> exactly
[15:58] <ogra_> (which is the info i'm trying to get across since two days now :) )
[15:58] <draos> yes i know but an somebody take the files from ubuntu one(device-specific) and give it to me
[15:59] <john-mcaleely> well, if they see this chat, I'm sure they will be in touch
[15:59] <slangasek> pmcgowan, ogra_: yes, I'll remove that preview directory now.  I'm assuming we don't care about archiving these files off?
[15:59] <ogra_> buut these files obviously do not exist anymore
[15:59] <ogra_> slangasek, unlikely
[15:59] <john-mcaleely> I'd archive them, but I'm a sentimental fool
[16:00] <pmcgowan> naw they are stale
[16:00] <john-mcaleely> indeed
[16:00] <draos> help;0
[16:00] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, you could quickly wget them to your laptop ;)
[16:00] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, I'm not *that* bothered
[16:00] <ogra_> hah
[16:00] <slangasek> pmcgowan, john-mcaleely, ogra_: summarily excuted
[16:00] <john-mcaleely> nice
[16:00] <ogra_> yay
[16:01] <ogra_> one legacy wart less :)
[16:01] <davmor2> slangasek: why are you executing people????
[16:01] <ogra_> davmor2, because he can !
[16:02] <davmor2> ogra_: shut up you are one the people he executed at least play dead ;)
[16:02] <ogra_> X|
[16:02] <davmor2> hahaha
[16:04] <draos> please
[16:05] <ogra_> draos, begging wont help in any way ... what you want is not possible
[16:05] <ogra_> start a new port or find someone to do a port of the recent code for your device
[16:05] <draos> ok can somewone port my device?
[16:06]  * tathhu wants a laptop with touchscreen :(
[16:07]  * ogra_ wants icecream 
[16:07] <tathhu> wow
[16:07] <ogra_> yeah, i'm easy to please :)
[16:07] <tathhu> :P
[16:07] <draos> can somewone port my device?
[16:08] <davmor2> ogra_: you say that, you try carrying it from here to yours, trust me no icecream by the time I walk there ;)
[16:08] <tathhu> draos: why don't you do it by yourself?
[16:08] <ogra_> draos, to do a port that someone would need to have the device ... (not sure there are any people here that own the same device you have, starting a call on the xda forums might be more helpful)
[16:08]  * tathhu too lazy to read backlog
[16:08] <draos> how to extract blobs from my device?
[16:09] <draos> can i be an ubuntu developer?
[16:09] <ogra_> everyone can be an ubuntu developer :)
[16:09] <tathhu> ;3
[16:09] <draos> so i can make my version of ubuntu ?
[16:09] <ogra_> just fix a bug or submit some code :)
[16:10] <tathhu> almost related: https://twitter.com/_Ninji/status/623524728658071552
[16:10] <ogra_> heh, fedora jokes
[16:32] <draos> i posted on xda
[16:32] <draos> my problem. here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/ubuntu-touch-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-0-t3162201
[16:35] <ogra_> draos, good luck with it
[16:35]  * ogra_ hopes you find someone to help with it 
[16:38] <draos> can u guys see my post and post something for my help ? :)
[16:40] <draos> guys ?
[16:44] <draos_> hi
[16:44] <draos_> i closed because i insalled xchat
[17:10] <draos> hi
[17:12] <draos> help me with this please : http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/ubuntu-touch-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-0-t3162201
[17:45] <dobey> hmm, someone should probably go through the devices wiki page and strip all the really old and unmaintained ports from the list
[17:45] <dobey> lots of things that haven't been touched in 2 years it seems
[18:21] <popey> dobey: knock yourself out.
[18:21] <ogra_> yeah, sounded like volunteering
[18:23] <mcphail> Does anyone here work on the gallery app?
[18:25] <mcphail> It doesn't work at all well on my phone and I'm wondering whether it is a general problem or something specific to my setup
[18:25] <ogra_> "doesn't work" is such a broad statement
[18:26] <mcphail> ogra_: it is a broad problem, unfortunately
[18:26] <popey> in what way?
[18:26] <ogra_> well, can you be more specific ?
[18:27] <ogra_> definitely works fine for me
[18:27] <mcphail> When opened, all thumbnails repeatedly refresh (very very very laggy) then re-refresh when scrolling, then refresh again. opening a picture takes several minutes
[18:27] <popey> on krillin?
[18:27] <mcphail> yes
[18:27]  * popey tests
[18:27] <juzzlin> only problem I know is that when I took a photo it's not in the gallery
[18:27] <mcphail> has always been this way
[18:27] <popey> on the retail image?
[18:28] <mcphail> yes OTA5
[18:28] <mcphail> (and all OTAs since purchase)
[18:28] <ogra_> on arale they dont refresh and opening a photo takes seconds
[18:28] <popey> i just opened it and it didnt redraw here
[18:28] <ogra_> (well, singular ... one second )
[18:28] <mcphail> Any way I can clear the databse?
[18:28] <popey> there's some nasty flicker when clicking an image
[18:29] <popey> looks like a toolkit bug
[18:29] <popey> when it transitions from windowed to full screen
[18:30] <mcphail> Must be something wrong with my setup
[18:32] <popey> do you have like a bazillion pictures?
[18:33] <mcphail> I have about 100 "photos" in the app (mainly CD cover art it has dragged in from my music folder). Displaying the thumbnails takes >5 minutes on each load. Opening a picture takes between 1 -- 4 minutes
[18:33]  * popey looks at his
[18:33] <mcphail> hence "doesn't work" :(
[18:33] <mcphail> SD card is a class 10
[18:34] <mcphail> No deeply nested directories
[18:34] <popey> I only have 14 images on my device
[18:34]  * popey copies some over from his other krillin
[18:37] <popey> mcphail: anything in the gallery logs or maybe thumbnailer?
[18:38] <popey> oh, i have tons of images from music too
[18:38] <popey> mcphail: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-193845.png
[18:38] <mcphail> popey: not that I can see, but quite awkward to check as I just have app terminal access rather than adb just now
[18:38] <popey> you seeing that kind of thing a lot?
[18:39] <ogra_> funny, i dont have a single cover art pic in gallery
[18:39] <popey> do you have any images in the music folder though ogra_ ?
[18:39] <ogra_> despite having a lot of music (with coverart) in the music folder
[18:39] <mcphail> popey: lots of that, repeatedly
[18:39] <popey> or is all your artwork embedded
[18:39] <ogra_> ah, i think it is all thumbnailed by music app or scope indeed
[18:39] <popey> ok, mcphail confirmed then, I see that a lot
[18:39] <popey> no
[18:39] <popey> thumbnailed by thumbnailer, not music app
[18:39] <mcphail> does the gallery app use mediahub at all?
[18:40] <ahayzen> the thumbnailer service thumbnails it ;-)
[18:40] <ogra_> well, yeah :)
[18:40] <popey> WHOOSH! ahayzen to clarify
[18:40]  * ogra_ usually has ripped CDs as flac files ... so no cover art 
[18:40] <ahayzen> yeah just had about a million highlights with the word "music" :'( lol
[18:40] <popey> ok, mcphail done a full pass up and down gallery now, once all the thumbnails have loaded, it doesn't reload anymore
[18:40] <popey> if you let it do each image before moving on
[18:40] <popey> i see no spinners anymore
[18:41] <mcphail> popey: if you scroll a page before all thumbnails on that screen have loaded, do _all_ the thumbnails reload?
[18:41] <popey> something like that, yes
[18:41] <popey> not sure all
[18:41] <mcphail> popey: It takes about 2 minutes for all thumbnails to appear on a single screen here
[18:41] <popey> it may take that long here too
[18:42] <popey> as may have happened while we were talking
[18:42]  * popey kills it and starts again
[18:42] <mcphail> ogra_: do you see it taking so long?
[18:42] <popey> i do hate the today scope reminding me how far away the next bank holiday is
[18:42] <ogra_> mcphail, no, but i probably have 50-100 photos on my arale
[18:42] <ogra_> not that much
[18:42] <popey> its cached them now
[18:43] <mcphail> ogra_: that's the same as me on krillin
[18:43] <popey> killing / restarting gallery means it doesn't re-scan
[18:43] <mcphail> popey: only for a while
[18:43] <popey> bfiller: do we have a target for gallery going away?
[18:43] <ogra_> i dont see them load at all ... after the spinning circle they show up immediately
[18:43] <ogra_> all at once
[18:43] <popey> mcphail: need to pull some logs
[18:43] <mcphail> ogra_: can you test something then?
[18:43] <popey> i dont see the spinning anymore
[18:43] <ogra_> so i guess my cache is nicely up to date
[18:44] <bfiller> popey: no
[18:44] <ogra_> popey, i mean the central spinniner for the app startup
[18:45] <mcphail> ogra_: can you place an image or 2 under a path with a "#" character in it and see if it messes up the gallery loading?
[18:46] <ahayzen> popey, you can delete the folder cache or mv the folder
[18:47] <popey> mcphail: that should, known bug with the thumbnailer isn't it?
[18:47] <popey> bug http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-193845.png
[18:47] <popey> oops
[18:47]  * mcphail is wondering whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1449790 is causing problems
[18:47] <popey> bug 1476311
[18:47] <popey> maybe related
[18:47] <ahayzen> popey, yeah man that bug is horrible :-/
[18:47]  * popey goes to make chicken wings
[18:47] <popey> biab
[18:47] <ahayzen> popey, like ms2/mh/thumnailer all seem to take different formats
[18:48] <ogra_> mcphail, it just indexed the 2 new pics on load ... thats about it
[18:48] <ogra_> no delay or anything
[18:48] <mcphail> ogra_: ok - thanks for checking
[18:59] <ogra_> popey, do you happen to know what the plans wrt google photos are now that they shut down the G+ service ?
[19:00]  * ogra_ guesses we need a new/separate app for uploading pics to G+ now 
[21:00] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: The op2 will cost $322??? :O http://pocketnow.com/2015/06/18/oneplus-2-pricing-2
[21:06] <ahoneybun> no way
[21:06] <ahoneybun> I hope so
[21:06] <ahoneybun> welll
[21:07] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: they did say they are buying in much more bulk this time which would lower the price of each part
[21:14] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Yes! but $320 for an snapdragon 810 with 4GB ram is Amazing!
[21:15] <mariogrip> I can buy 3 op2 for a price of one Iphone 6
[21:15] <ahoneybun> anything under 450 at all is amazing
[21:15] <ahoneybun> cheaper then the One lol
[21:15] <mariogrip> yeah xP
[21:42] <robert_ancell> What is the standard channel for the Meizu to be on?
[21:45] <robert_ancell> ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en I'm guessing
[21:49] <popey> robert_ancell: mine is on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en for bleeding edge stuff
[21:49] <robert_ancell> popey, cool. I'm on some random old devel channel and just trying to get back to something that will OTA :)
[21:49] <robert_ancell> I've opened bug 1476842
[21:50] <popey> this will
[21:50] <popey> robert_ancell: ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=arale
[21:51] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's how I found ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en which is version 3 and what eveyones G+ posts seem to suggest OTA-5 is
[21:51] <popey> ya
[22:00] <tathhu> popey: living on the edge ~
[22:02] <popey> not quite, I'm not running wily
[22:02] <popey> that way lies madness
[22:03] <mcphail> I need to get myself a device for running peculiar channels
[22:04] <mcphail> (or get around to trying to port for my S3)
[22:06] <popey> oh, btw, if you want to get logs off your device easily
[22:06] <popey> cat foo.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:07]  * mcphail tries to work out if that is a spurious use of cat... ;)
[22:08] <popey> heh possibly :)
[22:08] <popey> everyone catches me doing that
[22:10] <mcphail> my brain is too tired to parse shell redirection. Has been rotted by the poor standard of chat in #ubuntu this evening
[22:13] <mcphail> Is it rude to file a bug if I don't like an icon?
[22:13] <popey> which icon?
[22:13] <mcphail> browser.
[22:14] <genii> Would be more like a feature request/wishlist than a bug at that point
[22:14] <mcphail> magnetic compasses have no relation to web browsing (bar some tenuous link to Netscape Navigator) and too closely resemble clocks
[22:15] <popey> :)
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[22:18] <mcphail> (and any tourist who takes a compass on Safari deserves to get bitten by a hippo)
[22:20] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: We can tell you now that the price of the 2 will certainly be higher than $322.
[22:21] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: nobody know yet, but it would be cool.
[22:21] <ahoneybun> 350 would be a steal
[22:22] <mariogrip> yeah, i know
[22:31] <popey> ogra_: seeing that ghosting thing http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-21-233057.png
[22:31] <ogra_> yay, i'm not alone
[22:31] <ogra_> your ghost even has eyes !!
[22:31] <popey> then if i tap one the app wakes up
[22:31] <ogra_> yep
[22:31] <ogra_> i got that pretty much permanently here
[22:32] <ogra_> after abut 20-30min it starts
[22:32] <popey> so unity8 isn't keeping the screenshots
[22:32] <ogra_> yeah
[22:33] <ogra_> bug 1474319
[22:34] <ogra_> someone said today he sees it on the vegeta too
[22:35]  * popey confirms
[22:39] <mcphail> ooh - krillin's screen is just the right size for viewing Brian May's stereoscopic image of Pluto
[22:39] <popey> haha
[22:39] <popey> holding it right up to your face?
[22:39] <mcphail> yep
[22:39] <popey> lulz
[22:40] <jgdx> mcphail, link??
[22:40] <mcphail> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh-pluto-stero.jpg
[22:41] <popey> battery gauge in arale is completely bonkers
[22:41] <popey> it just died tellin me 1%, the "bios" battery gague says 93%
[22:41] <jgdx> popey, yes sir. mad
[22:42] <jgdx> mcphail, isn't that just ctrl+c ctrl+v in phot^H^H gimp?
[22:42] <mcphail> jgdx: nope - several days apart. Just enough for the stereoscopic shift
[22:43] <mcphail> http://www.nasa.gov/feature/rock-starastrophysicist-dr-brian-may-goes-backstage-with-new-horizons
[22:45] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: https://plus.google.com/106959654928802469327/posts/hvmoBu2WN8B
[22:45] <jgdx> mcphail, okay, cool. my tired brain expected http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li63sx8Rj91qhp4fro1_500.gif
[22:47] <mcphail> aargh. That gif makes me seasick
[22:49] <popey> ogra_: had any issues with your alternative web container and cookies?
[22:50] <popey> ogra_: making one for google photos, ripped off from your google plus one
[22:50] <popey> everything I tap it pops up a google photos wizard
[22:53] <popey> like it never remembers that I've already seen it
[23:10] <elimisteve> congratulations on the excellent high-profile review at www.businessinsider.com/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-review-2015-7 !
[23:10] <elimisteve> gj popey and the rest of the team!
[23:10] <popey> blimey
[23:10] <popey> good spot elimisteve
[23:11] <ahayzen> shame most of the criticisms were fixed in OTA5
[23:11] <ahayzen> ..or shame they did the review before OTA5
[23:11] <elimisteve> :-)
[23:11] <elimisteve> ah did they?
[23:12] <elimisteve> the battery life is better now? I'm reading http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/meizu-mx-4-ubuntu-edition-gets-better-battery-life-led-notifications-and-more-487350.shtml and it sounds like it
[23:12] <ahayzen> they stated the battery was bad and the scopes/ui lagged/stuttered...which i believe are now fixed popey ?
[23:13] <elimisteve> "Overall battery life improvements, power consumption in normal usage greatly improved"
[23:13] <elimisteve> says https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-5
[23:14] <ahayzen> yup :-)
[23:19] <popey> the battery gauge is the problem for me
[23:19] <popey> it actually lasts ages, but lies
[23:19] <popey> mine just said it had 1% left, and shut down. I plugged power in and it says it has 93%
[23:23] <ahayzen> magic
[23:23] <ahoneybun> hey ahayzen
[23:23] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yo
[23:23] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: have DownloadManager exp?
[23:24] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, strangely no i've actually never used it :-/
[23:24] <ahoneybun> darn
[23:24] <ahayzen> hehe
[23:24] <ahayzen> whats up?
[23:24] <ahoneybun> trying to use it
[23:24] <ahoneybun> to download pdfs
[23:24] <ahayzen> have a look at an app that does use it like the browser
[23:25] <ahoneybun> oh.
[23:25] <ahoneybun> the docs should work...
[23:25] <ahoneybun> they don;t even work XD
[23:25] <ahayzen> hah
[23:25] <ahoneybun> 1600 downloads for uBeginner
[23:26] <ahayzen> \o/
[23:26] <ahoneybun> \o/
[23:27] <ahoneybun> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.DownloadManager.SingleDownload/
[23:28] <ahoneybun> I'm worried the app will never be finished at this pace...
[23:29] <tathhu> Interesting, there's no sound on youtube-videso
[23:40] <frode_> hi. im having some trouble installing ubuntu on my old mobile, its an Samsung galaxy mini, and it just got stuck right before i could install the clockworkmod, (the screen just says Downloading, do not turn off target). what can i do to fix this?
[23:46] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: we're buddies now lol
[23:46] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Yeah, i heard that the 810 was overheating, but didn't they use the v2.1?
[23:47] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: yeah :D
[23:47] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: they say that they are using all 8 cores at once but at a lower freq
[23:47] <ahoneybun> like 1.8 gz for all 8
[23:47] <ahoneybun> so it will not over heat
[23:47] <ahoneybun> or get hot I should say
[23:48] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Okey, but that still nice
[23:49] <ahoneybun> yea of course lol
[23:49] <ahoneybun> plus 4gb of RAM it will be a best
[23:49] <ahoneybun> *beast
[23:52] <mariogrip> Yeah! #convergence
[23:54] <ahoneybun> the thing that would make true convergence is that type c usb mariogrip :)
[23:55] <mariogrip> frode_:  Are the device supported? I cannot seem to find a port that is for the samsung galaxy Mini
[23:55] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: yes! I hope it gets true otg HD
[23:56] <mariogrip> like the one does not support otg HDMI
[23:57] <ahoneybun> that is a thing!
[23:57] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:57] <mariogrip> yes!
[23:57] <ahoneybun> sweet
[23:57] <mariogrip> http://img.focalprice.com//860x666/MA/MA0147/MA0147B.jpg