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| Volund | Hello! Fairly new-to-Linux Lubuntu 15.04x64 user here. Iiii'm having some trouble with getting a few drivers going. Anyone able to help or point me where I can get help? | 03:48 |
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| Volund | http://pastebin.com/dMcVFCDY <---- I have no idea what's happening here. | 03:57 |
| holstein | Volund: a few drivers going? | 04:16 |
| holstein | where are you getting what drivers from? and, for what hardware? | 04:17 |
| holstein | Volund: why are you installing an alsa driver? do you have no audio? | 04:17 |
| Volund | yeah | 04:18 |
| Volund | I've got a new HP pavilion 17 laptop that has Realtek HD Audio and I don't seem to have audio | 04:18 |
| holstein | typically, alsa is well supported.. meaning, if an internal audio device can be supported, it typically is | 04:18 |
| holstein | !audio | 04:18 |
| ubottu | If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 04:18 |
| holstein | i would refer to that ^ and, if you are using a driver from HP, or some other 3rd party, you'll have to ask them for support for it.. but, you likely dont need it | 04:19 |
| Volund | thank you | 04:19 |
| Volund | I had no idea where to start. | 04:19 |
| holstein | in windows, you typically just find, and install a driver.. in linux, the companies are welcome to provide you a driver, but, typically dont | 04:20 |
| Volund | I don't seem to have a Volume applet | 04:21 |
| Volund | that's like the system tray in windows, right? | 04:22 |
| holstein | Volund: i would reference a few places.. in a terminal, i may try running alsa mixer | 04:22 |
| Volund | *checks links* | 04:22 |
| holstein | "alsamixer" is the command | 04:22 |
| holstein | then, i may install and use pulse audio.. and use pavucontrol as a mixer for the audio | 04:22 |
| holstein | all of which can help me troubleshoot, and force support for hardware that is not supporting linux easily | 04:23 |
| Volund | hrm. | 04:23 |
| holstein | typically, when i take a machine that is not promising linux support, and i try to implement linux on it, i'll just run some live iso's on it | 04:24 |
| holstein | i'll try the main ubuntu LTS versions, and the latest.. i'll do that so, i can join #ubuntu, and have the larger support team for troubleshooting, if needed.. | 04:25 |
| Volund | ALSAmixer says... Card: HDA ATI HDMI, Chip: ATI R6xx HDMI. | 04:25 |
| holstein | right.. but, it really doesnt matter what the labels say.. you cant trust them | 04:25 |
| holstein | its just a guess | 04:25 |
| holstein | and, i dont know what you have tried to install, that may have broken the default setup | 04:25 |
| Volund | unlikely, because it never got past compiling | 04:26 |
| Volund | so nothing was installed/changed. | 04:26 |
| holstein | only you know.. if you ran something as root, then, root can break things | 04:26 |
| Volund | I didn't. :o | 04:26 |
| Volund | OHO | 04:27 |
| Volund | okay something's changed here. *tinkers* | 04:27 |
| holstein | again, only you know what you have done, but, installing drivers *requires* root.. | 04:27 |
| Volund | yeah. I did not use sudo or etc so far for anything involving audio | 04:28 |
| Volund | anyhoo | 04:28 |
| Volund | so I pressed the 's' button in Alsamixer and it let me change cards, it now says HD-Audio Generic, realtek ALC3241 and I seem to have volume controls | 04:29 |
| holstein | right. but, installing the driver, requires that, and can break audio | 04:29 |
| holstein | anyways, all im saying is, factually, you could have done something that makes it *impossible* to "fix" your audio going forward.. | 04:29 |
| holstein | as long as you understant that.. i follow a few tips from the guide i link | 04:30 |
| Volund | *nods* | 04:30 |
| holstein | personally, i just run live iso's.. the LTS's, the latest.. i'll run literally 6 or 8 live iso's *before* installing any os | 04:30 |
| Volund | I think it might be trying to use the HDMI output as default and ignoring the analog | 04:30 |
| holstein | i'll try a wide range of supported kernels, then, maybe unsupported older ones, making a note of what is providing support | 04:30 |
| holstein | with my hdmi out, i simply use pavucontrol to set that | 04:31 |
| holstein | but, it would be helpful for you to know if you have *no* audio at all, or, just no HDMI audio.. etc | 04:31 |
| Volund | I don't really have anything HDMI to test that with | 04:31 |
| Volund | HAH! | 04:41 |
| Volund | I HAVE SOUND NOW | 04:41 |
| Volund | all I had to do was tell it which to use for defaults | 04:41 |
| holstein | yup.. setting a default is key | 04:41 |
| holstein | you cant trust the labels, either.. gotta try them all | 04:42 |
| Volund | now to figure out where there's some actual volume control | 04:42 |
| holstein | Volund: alsamixer *is* a volume control | 04:42 |
| Volund | ... gui volume control. I had it with a previous run of Lubuntu on another laptop. the volume icon was in the bottom right corner :P | 04:43 |
| Volund | off of a LiveCD no less | 04:43 |
| Volund | maybe I need to relogin or something for that to detect the change... | 04:43 |
| holstein | there are many ways to add volume controls.. but, alsamixer is a gui, and its working... so, i say, if you are new to linux, maybe just use whats working for now | 04:43 |
| holstein | in time, you can learn to implement literally most anything | 04:44 |
| Volund | that's my goal. | 04:44 |
| Volund | I've been a Windows user for most of my life, but want to learn Linux. figured I should start with one that's lean, straightforward, and has something of a similar GUI. Lubuntu was recommended. | 04:45 |
| Volund | I have found that, impressively, while Windows 8.1 idles at 10% CPU and 1.3gb of RAM usage on that machine, Lubuntu idles at 0-1% CPU and 300-400MB of RAM usage. | 04:45 |
| Volund | This... makes me want to throttle Microsoft, honestly | 04:45 |
| holstein | sure.. its not really meant to replace or emulate windows, though | 04:45 |
| Volund | well yes | 04:46 |
| Volund | but a familiar GUI to start with X_X | 04:46 |
| holstein | lxde is quite light, and not meant to really replace any other OS's work flow | 04:46 |
| Volund | Look. it beats the pants out of Unity. that shell drives me nuts. | 04:46 |
| holstein | a familiar one would be one that is more "windows" like, arguably.. | 04:46 |
| Volund | I have a desktop, a start menu, and programs lists. good enough for me. | 04:47 |
| Volund | oh hooray the Volume applet appeared this time. | 04:47 |
| Volund | Looks like I just had to set my default card. | 04:47 |
| Volund | also a second goal is | 04:49 |
| Volund | I -figured- that since Lubuntu is so lean, it should put less strain on my laptop and thus run cooler overall, extending the lifetime of the laptop. All I really use it for is: | 04:49 |
| Volund | A) Browsing the web and watching youtube, B) reading some PDFs and etc, C) watching videos, listening to music, and D) Remote Desktop to my big windows machine. | 04:50 |
| Volund | INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, the Remmina client appears to beat the pants off of the official Remote Desktop Client for Windows. | 04:50 |
| holstein | lxde doesnt make your hardware any better, or faster | 04:50 |
| Volund | no, but using less resources means it may be working less hard. | 04:50 |
| holstein | sure.. is it? | 04:51 |
| Volund | like I said, initial tests say that it's using 1/3rd the RAM windows used and idling at much less CPU usage? | 04:51 |
| holstein | that can be true.. could also be, its "better" to use something like unity that is offloading work through the GPU? | 04:51 |
| holstein | or gnome.. etc.. | 04:51 |
| holstein | anyways, lxde is quite nice, and works as advertised.. its just not magical | 04:51 |
| Volund | well I can always try Ubuntu direct later. I just know my experiences with Unity in a Virtual Machine were not fun | 04:52 |
| holstein | due do 3d requirements | 04:52 |
| holstein | but, no one, including me, will make you using unity.. i dont use unity.. | 04:52 |
| Volund | okay now I need to figure out how to do the equivalent of 'map network drive.' I've gotten access to windows shares with smb:// addressing just fine, just need to shortcut it. lessee... | 04:53 |
| holstein | !samba | 04:53 |
| ubottu | Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/windows-networking.html | 04:53 |
| holstein | i use gigolo | 04:53 |
| holstein | !info gigolo | 04:53 |
| ubottu | gigolo (source: gigolo): frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVfs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1 (vivid), package size 130 kB, installed size 1001 kB | 04:53 |
| holstein | but, the "best" thing i did was stop trying to make linux speak windows.. and i just started doing native linux tasks, and natively as possible, in linux | 04:54 |
| Volund | well, yes. | 04:54 |
| holstein | ssh, for example.. nfs would be more what you are looking for, likely | 04:54 |
| Volund | oh I love ssh | 04:54 |
| holstein | but, mount points look local.. so, you dont need to "map network drive".. you just mount it, and it shows where you mount | 04:55 |
| Volund | I'm not TOTALLY new to linux. just usingg it for anything more than a few terminal commands. | 04:55 |
| * Volund nods. is investigating | 04:55 | |
| Volund | once I have my network file shares connected and RDP up, I'll have this laptop ready to do everything it was doing in Windows | 04:55 |
| Volund | THEN I can focus on learning Linux :) | 04:55 |
| Volund | thank you for the help ! | 04:56 |
| holstein | you dont need to "rdp" them.. you just connect via ssh, and mount them | 04:56 |
| holstein | anyways, good luck! | 04:56 |
| Volund | RDP = Remote Desktop Protocol. | 04:56 |
| Volund | linux accomplishes this with Remmina, which is EVEN BETTER than the Windows equivalent | 04:57 |
| holstein | Volund: correct.. im familiar, but, consider using a native linux option.. | 04:57 |
| Volund | yeah, but | 04:57 |
| Volund | can't really ssh to Windows 8.1 and control the desktop. | 04:57 |
| holstein | remmina is a nice client for sure.. its also not magic, though | 04:57 |
| * Volund does apt-get install remmina gigolo -y... okayyyy | 04:58 | |
| Volund | sheesh. | 04:58 |
| Volund | Look, I put Lubuntu on an ancient Pentium 4 computer and attempted a remote connection to my Win8.1 machine. had that P4 been running windows, it would've been choking to render it. | 04:59 |
| Volund | Remmina responded beautifully meanwhile. | 04:59 |
| Volund | this is why I wanna investigate things more. | 04:59 |
| * Volund launches Gigolo, investigates | 05:00 | |
| Volund | network shares are UP... | 05:03 |
| Volund | So all in all I'd say that Lubuntu is responding -faster- than Windows does for reacting to 'you opened an mp3 file' or stuff. Still getting used to a few quirks but overall I like it. | 05:35 |
| Volund | we'll see if I can enjoy it for a few days | 05:35 |
| deitarion | Any suggestions on how to debug an "Clicks which should trigger menus on LXPanel don't" issue? | 17:25 |
| deitarion | I think it has something to do with my weirdly-shaped triple-head desktop since it doesn't seem to want to acknowledge changes to desktop geometry. (If I kill it, move the left monitor's virtual position up, and then restart, it doesn't appear) | 17:30 |
| deitarion | ...but moving the monitor down without restarting reveals that it was placing itself at the position that the monitor normally lies at. | 17:31 |
| deitarion | (And I know it's not that I'm running Plasma, xfce-panel, and LXPanel together on the same desktop because this was working back before my aborted attempt to configure Plasma widgets to match the functionality offered by LXPanel and xfce-panel) | 17:32 |
| deitarion | (LXPanel's too limited on non-rectangular desktops, Plasma's clock is broken on panels too small for 2-line display and its Quick Access widget is broken in general, and xfce-desktop directory menu is broken on *buntu 14.04 and over-pads the launcher menu icon) | 17:36 |
| deitarion | Oh, and I can't just use LXPanel and xfce-panel together because PCManFM and xfce-desktop are both broken in different ways on non-rectangular desktops. (LXPanel is over-conservative, xfce-panel places my icons in inaccessible dead zones) | 17:38 |
| silver_m | In Lubuntu I use google chrome, and when I open Chrome delays to start and cpu is nearly 100%. | 20:57 |
| silver_m | but later it works ok, only after boot delays | 20:57 |
| silver_m | why happens this? | 20:57 |
| ianorlin | silver_m: not sure might be something with chrome | 21:16 |
| ianorlin | also what is your useage when you boot and don't use chrome | 21:16 |
| silver_m | I think is also high when I boot because it says XORG consumes usage | 21:17 |
| silver_m | the Xorg has 46% | 21:19 |
| silver_m | usage | 21:19 |
| silver_m | after boot | 21:19 |
| silver_m | but later it not has much usage | 21:19 |
| silver_m | cpu usage goes 5% after some time | 21:20 |
| deitarion | That makes me wonder if Chrome is tripping over some kind of graphics driver misconfiguration that's pushing everything into the slow path. | 21:21 |
| silver_m | well how can I make good configuration | 21:30 |
| deitarion | First, what kind of video card do you have? | 21:30 |
| sparky | I seem to be having this problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/614198/starting-version-219-bug-after-the-15-04-update only I updated to 15.04 a while back, and it came up after I tried to start a game and my machine crashed and I tried to boot again. I've tried the suggested command from the comments, and I have the same outcome as the last comment | 22:08 |
| sparky | Sorry, if anyone responded, I havn't seen it | 23:26 |
| sparky | keeping on a webchat with an iPod is a bit hard | 23:27 |
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