[03:48] <Volund> Hello! Fairly new-to-Linux Lubuntu 15.04x64 user here. Iiii'm having some trouble with getting a few drivers going. Anyone able to help or point me where I can get help?
[03:57] <Volund> http://pastebin.com/dMcVFCDY <---- I have no idea what's happening here.
[04:16] <holstein> Volund: a few drivers going?
[04:17] <holstein> where are you getting what drivers from? and, for what hardware?
[04:17] <holstein> Volund: why are you installing an alsa driver? do you have no audio?
[04:18] <Volund> yeah
[04:18] <Volund> I've got a new HP pavilion 17 laptop that has Realtek HD Audio and I don't seem to have audio
[04:18] <holstein> typically, alsa is well supported.. meaning, if an internal audio device can be supported, it typically is
[04:18] <holstein> !audio
[04:19] <holstein> i would refer to that ^ and, if you are using a driver from HP, or some other 3rd party, you'll have to ask them for support for it.. but, you likely dont need it
[04:19] <Volund> thank you
[04:19] <Volund> I had no idea where to start.
[04:20] <holstein> in windows, you typically just find, and install a driver.. in linux, the companies are welcome to provide you a driver, but, typically dont
[04:21] <Volund> I don't seem to have a Volume applet
[04:22] <Volund> that's like the system tray in windows, right?
[04:22] <holstein> Volund: i would reference a few places.. in a terminal, i may try running alsa mixer
[04:22] <Volund> *checks links*
[04:22] <holstein> "alsamixer" is the command
[04:22] <holstein> then, i may install and use pulse audio.. and use pavucontrol as a mixer for the audio
[04:23] <holstein> all of which can help me troubleshoot, and force support for hardware that is not supporting linux easily
[04:23] <Volund> hrm.
[04:24] <holstein> typically, when i take a machine that is not promising linux support, and i try to implement linux on it, i'll just run some live iso's on it
[04:25] <holstein> i'll try the main ubuntu LTS versions, and the latest.. i'll do that so, i can join #ubuntu, and have the larger support team for troubleshooting, if needed..
[04:25] <Volund> ALSAmixer says... Card: HDA ATI HDMI, Chip: ATI R6xx HDMI.
[04:25] <holstein> right.. but, it really doesnt matter what the labels say.. you cant trust them
[04:25] <holstein> its just a guess
[04:25] <holstein> and, i dont know what you have tried to install, that may have broken the default setup
[04:26] <Volund> unlikely, because it never got past compiling
[04:26] <Volund> so nothing was installed/changed.
[04:26] <holstein> only you know.. if you ran something as root, then, root can break things
[04:26] <Volund> I didn't. :o
[04:27] <Volund> OHO
[04:27] <Volund> okay something's changed here. *tinkers*
[04:27] <holstein> again, only you know what you have done, but, installing drivers *requires* root..
[04:28] <Volund> yeah. I did not use sudo or etc so far for anything involving audio
[04:28] <Volund> anyhoo
[04:29] <Volund> so I pressed the 's' button in Alsamixer and it let me change cards, it now says HD-Audio Generic, realtek ALC3241 and I seem to have volume controls
[04:29] <holstein> right. but, installing the driver, requires that, and can break audio
[04:29] <holstein> anyways, all im saying is, factually, you could have done something that makes it *impossible* to "fix" your audio going forward..
[04:30] <holstein> as long as you understant that.. i follow a few tips from the guide i link
[04:30] <Volund> *nods*
[04:30] <holstein> personally, i just run live iso's.. the LTS's, the latest.. i'll run literally 6 or 8 live iso's *before* installing any os
[04:30] <Volund> I think it might be trying to use the HDMI output as default and ignoring the analog
[04:30] <holstein> i'll try a wide range of supported kernels, then, maybe unsupported older ones, making a note of what is providing support
[04:31] <holstein> with my hdmi out, i simply use pavucontrol to set that
[04:31] <holstein> but, it would be helpful for you to know if you have *no* audio at all, or, just no HDMI audio.. etc
[04:31] <Volund> I don't really have anything HDMI to test that with
[04:41] <Volund> HAH!
[04:41] <Volund> I HAVE SOUND NOW
[04:41] <Volund> all I had to do was tell it which to use for defaults
[04:41] <holstein> yup.. setting a default is key
[04:42] <holstein> you cant trust the labels, either.. gotta try them all
[04:42] <Volund> now to figure out where there's some actual volume control
[04:42] <holstein> Volund: alsamixer *is* a volume control
[04:43] <Volund> ... gui volume control. I had it with a previous run of Lubuntu on another laptop. the volume icon was in the bottom right corner :P
[04:43] <Volund> off of a LiveCD no less
[04:43] <Volund> maybe I need to relogin or something for that to detect the change...
[04:43] <holstein> there are many ways to add volume controls.. but, alsamixer is a gui, and its working... so, i say, if you are new to linux, maybe just use whats working for now
[04:44] <holstein> in time, you can learn to implement literally most anything
[04:44] <Volund> that's my goal.
[04:45] <Volund> I've been a Windows user for most of my life, but want to learn Linux. figured I should start with one that's lean, straightforward, and has something of a similar GUI. Lubuntu was recommended.
[04:45] <Volund> I have found that, impressively, while Windows 8.1 idles at 10% CPU and 1.3gb of RAM usage on that machine, Lubuntu idles at 0-1% CPU and 300-400MB of RAM usage.
[04:45] <Volund> This... makes me want to throttle Microsoft, honestly
[04:45] <holstein> sure.. its not really meant to replace or emulate windows, though
[04:46] <Volund> well yes
[04:46] <Volund> but a familiar GUI to start with X_X
[04:46] <holstein> lxde is quite light, and not meant to really replace any other OS's work flow
[04:46] <Volund> Look. it beats the pants out of Unity. that shell drives me nuts.
[04:46] <holstein> a familiar one would be one that is more "windows" like, arguably..
[04:47] <Volund> I have a desktop, a start menu, and programs lists. good enough for me.
[04:47] <Volund> oh hooray the Volume applet appeared this time.
[04:47] <Volund> Looks like I just had to set my default card.
[04:49] <Volund> also a second goal is
[04:49] <Volund> I -figured- that since Lubuntu is so lean, it should put less strain on my laptop and thus run cooler overall, extending the lifetime of the laptop. All I really use it for is:
[04:50] <Volund> A) Browsing the web and watching youtube, B) reading some PDFs and etc, C) watching videos, listening to music, and D) Remote Desktop to my big windows machine.
[04:50] <Volund> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, the Remmina client appears to beat the pants off of the official Remote Desktop Client for Windows.
[04:50] <holstein> lxde doesnt make your hardware any better, or faster
[04:50] <Volund> no, but using less resources means it may be working less hard.
[04:51] <holstein> sure.. is it?
[04:51] <Volund> like I said, initial tests say that it's using 1/3rd the RAM windows used and idling at much less CPU usage?
[04:51] <holstein> that can be true.. could also be, its "better" to use something like unity that is offloading work through the GPU?
[04:51] <holstein> or gnome.. etc..
[04:51] <holstein> anyways, lxde is quite nice, and works as advertised.. its just not magical
[04:52] <Volund> well I can always try Ubuntu direct later. I just know my experiences with Unity in a Virtual Machine were not fun
[04:52] <holstein> due do 3d requirements
[04:52] <holstein> but, no one, including me, will make you using unity.. i dont use unity..
[04:53] <Volund> okay now I need to figure out how to do the equivalent of 'map network drive.' I've gotten access to windows shares with smb:// addressing just fine, just need to shortcut it. lessee...
[04:53] <holstein> !samba
[04:53] <holstein> i use gigolo
[04:53] <holstein> !info gigolo
[04:54] <holstein> but, the "best" thing i did was stop trying to make linux speak windows.. and i just started doing native linux tasks, and natively as possible, in linux
[04:54] <Volund> well, yes.
[04:54] <holstein> ssh, for example.. nfs would be more what you are looking for, likely
[04:54] <Volund> oh I love ssh
[04:55] <holstein> but, mount points look local.. so, you dont need to "map network drive".. you just mount it, and it shows where you mount
[04:55] <Volund> I'm not TOTALLY new to linux. just usingg it for anything more than a few terminal commands.
[04:55]  * Volund nods. is investigating
[04:55] <Volund> once I have my network file shares connected and RDP up, I'll have this laptop ready to do everything it was doing in Windows
[04:55] <Volund> THEN I can focus on learning Linux :)
[04:56] <Volund> thank you for the help !
[04:56] <holstein> you dont need to "rdp" them.. you just connect via ssh, and mount them
[04:56] <holstein> anyways, good luck!
[04:56] <Volund> RDP = Remote Desktop Protocol.
[04:57] <Volund> linux accomplishes this with Remmina, which is EVEN BETTER than the Windows equivalent
[04:57] <holstein> Volund: correct.. im familiar, but, consider using a native linux option..
[04:57] <Volund> yeah, but
[04:57] <Volund> can't really ssh to Windows 8.1 and control the desktop.
[04:57] <holstein> remmina is a nice client for sure.. its also not magic, though
[04:58]  * Volund does apt-get install remmina gigolo -y... okayyyy
[04:58] <Volund> sheesh.
[04:59] <Volund> Look, I put Lubuntu on an ancient Pentium 4 computer and attempted a remote connection to my Win8.1 machine. had that P4 been running windows, it would've been choking to render it.
[04:59] <Volund> Remmina responded beautifully meanwhile.
[04:59] <Volund> this is why I wanna investigate things more.
[05:00]  * Volund launches Gigolo, investigates
[05:03] <Volund> network shares are UP...
[05:35] <Volund> So all in all I'd say that Lubuntu is responding -faster- than Windows does for reacting to 'you opened an mp3 file' or stuff. Still getting used to a few quirks but overall I like it.
[05:35] <Volund> we'll see if I can enjoy it for a few days
[17:25] <deitarion> Any suggestions on how to debug an "Clicks which should trigger menus on LXPanel don't" issue?
[17:30] <deitarion> I think it has something to do with my weirdly-shaped triple-head desktop since it doesn't seem to want to acknowledge changes to desktop geometry. (If I kill it, move the left monitor's virtual position up, and then restart, it doesn't appear)
[17:31] <deitarion> ...but moving the monitor down without restarting reveals that it was placing itself at the position that the monitor normally lies at.
[17:32] <deitarion> (And I know it's not that I'm running Plasma, xfce-panel, and LXPanel together on the same desktop because this was working back before my aborted attempt to configure Plasma widgets to match the functionality offered by LXPanel and xfce-panel)
[17:36] <deitarion> (LXPanel's too limited on non-rectangular desktops, Plasma's clock is broken on panels too small for 2-line display and its Quick Access widget is broken in general, and xfce-desktop directory menu is broken on *buntu 14.04 and over-pads the launcher menu icon)
[17:38] <deitarion> Oh, and I can't just use LXPanel and xfce-panel together because PCManFM and xfce-desktop are both broken in different ways on non-rectangular desktops. (LXPanel is over-conservative, xfce-panel places my icons in inaccessible dead zones)
[20:57] <silver_m> In Lubuntu I use google chrome, and when I open Chrome delays to start and cpu is nearly 100%.
[20:57] <silver_m> but later it works ok, only after boot delays
[20:57] <silver_m> why happens this?
[21:16] <ianorlin> silver_m: not sure might be something with chrome
[21:16] <ianorlin> also what is your useage when you boot and don't use chrome
[21:17] <silver_m> I think is also high when I boot because it says XORG consumes usage
[21:19] <silver_m> the Xorg has 46%
[21:19] <silver_m> usage
[21:19] <silver_m> after boot
[21:19] <silver_m> but later it not has much usage
[21:20] <silver_m> cpu usage goes 5% after some time
[21:21] <deitarion> That makes me wonder if Chrome is tripping over some kind of graphics driver misconfiguration that's pushing everything into the slow path.
[21:30] <silver_m> well how can I make good configuration
[21:30] <deitarion> First, what kind of video card do you have?
[22:08] <sparky> I seem to be having this problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/614198/starting-version-219-bug-after-the-15-04-update only I updated to 15.04 a while back, and it came up after I tried to start a game and my machine crashed and I tried to boot again. I've tried the suggested command from the comments, and I have the same outcome as the last comment
[23:26] <sparky> Sorry, if anyone responded, I havn't seen it
[23:27] <sparky> keeping on a webchat with an iPod is a bit hard