=== LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away [03:48] Hello! Fairly new-to-Linux Lubuntu 15.04x64 user here. Iiii'm having some trouble with getting a few drivers going. Anyone able to help or point me where I can get help? [03:57] http://pastebin.com/dMcVFCDY <---- I have no idea what's happening here. [04:16] Volund: a few drivers going? [04:17] where are you getting what drivers from? and, for what hardware? [04:17] Volund: why are you installing an alsa driver? do you have no audio? [04:18] yeah [04:18] I've got a new HP pavilion 17 laptop that has Realtek HD Audio and I don't seem to have audio [04:18] typically, alsa is well supported.. meaning, if an internal audio device can be supported, it typically is [04:18] !audio [04:18] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [04:19] i would refer to that ^ and, if you are using a driver from HP, or some other 3rd party, you'll have to ask them for support for it.. but, you likely dont need it [04:19] thank you [04:19] I had no idea where to start. [04:20] in windows, you typically just find, and install a driver.. in linux, the companies are welcome to provide you a driver, but, typically dont [04:21] I don't seem to have a Volume applet [04:22] that's like the system tray in windows, right? [04:22] Volund: i would reference a few places.. in a terminal, i may try running alsa mixer [04:22] *checks links* [04:22] "alsamixer" is the command [04:22] then, i may install and use pulse audio.. and use pavucontrol as a mixer for the audio [04:23] all of which can help me troubleshoot, and force support for hardware that is not supporting linux easily [04:23] hrm. [04:24] typically, when i take a machine that is not promising linux support, and i try to implement linux on it, i'll just run some live iso's on it [04:25] i'll try the main ubuntu LTS versions, and the latest.. i'll do that so, i can join #ubuntu, and have the larger support team for troubleshooting, if needed.. [04:25] ALSAmixer says... Card: HDA ATI HDMI, Chip: ATI R6xx HDMI. [04:25] right.. but, it really doesnt matter what the labels say.. you cant trust them [04:25] its just a guess [04:25] and, i dont know what you have tried to install, that may have broken the default setup [04:26] unlikely, because it never got past compiling [04:26] so nothing was installed/changed. [04:26] only you know.. if you ran something as root, then, root can break things [04:26] I didn't. :o [04:27] OHO [04:27] okay something's changed here. *tinkers* [04:27] again, only you know what you have done, but, installing drivers *requires* root.. [04:28] yeah. I did not use sudo or etc so far for anything involving audio [04:28] anyhoo [04:29] so I pressed the 's' button in Alsamixer and it let me change cards, it now says HD-Audio Generic, realtek ALC3241 and I seem to have volume controls [04:29] right. but, installing the driver, requires that, and can break audio [04:29] anyways, all im saying is, factually, you could have done something that makes it *impossible* to "fix" your audio going forward.. [04:30] as long as you understant that.. i follow a few tips from the guide i link [04:30] *nods* [04:30] personally, i just run live iso's.. the LTS's, the latest.. i'll run literally 6 or 8 live iso's *before* installing any os [04:30] I think it might be trying to use the HDMI output as default and ignoring the analog [04:30] i'll try a wide range of supported kernels, then, maybe unsupported older ones, making a note of what is providing support [04:31] with my hdmi out, i simply use pavucontrol to set that [04:31] but, it would be helpful for you to know if you have *no* audio at all, or, just no HDMI audio.. etc [04:31] I don't really have anything HDMI to test that with [04:41] HAH! [04:41] I HAVE SOUND NOW [04:41] all I had to do was tell it which to use for defaults [04:41] yup.. setting a default is key [04:42] you cant trust the labels, either.. gotta try them all [04:42] now to figure out where there's some actual volume control [04:42] Volund: alsamixer *is* a volume control [04:43] ... gui volume control. I had it with a previous run of Lubuntu on another laptop. the volume icon was in the bottom right corner :P [04:43] off of a LiveCD no less [04:43] maybe I need to relogin or something for that to detect the change... [04:43] there are many ways to add volume controls.. but, alsamixer is a gui, and its working... so, i say, if you are new to linux, maybe just use whats working for now [04:44] in time, you can learn to implement literally most anything [04:44] that's my goal. [04:45] I've been a Windows user for most of my life, but want to learn Linux. figured I should start with one that's lean, straightforward, and has something of a similar GUI. Lubuntu was recommended. [04:45] I have found that, impressively, while Windows 8.1 idles at 10% CPU and 1.3gb of RAM usage on that machine, Lubuntu idles at 0-1% CPU and 300-400MB of RAM usage. [04:45] This... makes me want to throttle Microsoft, honestly [04:45] sure.. its not really meant to replace or emulate windows, though [04:46] well yes [04:46] but a familiar GUI to start with X_X [04:46] lxde is quite light, and not meant to really replace any other OS's work flow [04:46] Look. it beats the pants out of Unity. that shell drives me nuts. [04:46] a familiar one would be one that is more "windows" like, arguably.. [04:47] I have a desktop, a start menu, and programs lists. good enough for me. [04:47] oh hooray the Volume applet appeared this time. [04:47] Looks like I just had to set my default card. [04:49] also a second goal is [04:49] I -figured- that since Lubuntu is so lean, it should put less strain on my laptop and thus run cooler overall, extending the lifetime of the laptop. All I really use it for is: [04:50] A) Browsing the web and watching youtube, B) reading some PDFs and etc, C) watching videos, listening to music, and D) Remote Desktop to my big windows machine. [04:50] INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, the Remmina client appears to beat the pants off of the official Remote Desktop Client for Windows. [04:50] lxde doesnt make your hardware any better, or faster [04:50] no, but using less resources means it may be working less hard. [04:51] sure.. is it? [04:51] like I said, initial tests say that it's using 1/3rd the RAM windows used and idling at much less CPU usage? [04:51] that can be true.. could also be, its "better" to use something like unity that is offloading work through the GPU? [04:51] or gnome.. etc.. [04:51] anyways, lxde is quite nice, and works as advertised.. its just not magical [04:52] well I can always try Ubuntu direct later. I just know my experiences with Unity in a Virtual Machine were not fun [04:52] due do 3d requirements [04:52] but, no one, including me, will make you using unity.. i dont use unity.. [04:53] okay now I need to figure out how to do the equivalent of 'map network drive.' I've gotten access to windows shares with smb:// addressing just fine, just need to shortcut it. lessee... [04:53] !samba [04:53] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/windows-networking.html [04:53] i use gigolo [04:53] !info gigolo [04:53] gigolo (source: gigolo): frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVfs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1 (vivid), package size 130 kB, installed size 1001 kB [04:54] but, the "best" thing i did was stop trying to make linux speak windows.. and i just started doing native linux tasks, and natively as possible, in linux [04:54] well, yes. [04:54] ssh, for example.. nfs would be more what you are looking for, likely [04:54] oh I love ssh [04:55] but, mount points look local.. so, you dont need to "map network drive".. you just mount it, and it shows where you mount [04:55] I'm not TOTALLY new to linux. just usingg it for anything more than a few terminal commands. [04:55] * Volund nods. is investigating [04:55] once I have my network file shares connected and RDP up, I'll have this laptop ready to do everything it was doing in Windows [04:55] THEN I can focus on learning Linux :) [04:56] thank you for the help ! [04:56] you dont need to "rdp" them.. you just connect via ssh, and mount them [04:56] anyways, good luck! [04:56] RDP = Remote Desktop Protocol. [04:57] linux accomplishes this with Remmina, which is EVEN BETTER than the Windows equivalent [04:57] Volund: correct.. im familiar, but, consider using a native linux option.. [04:57] yeah, but [04:57] can't really ssh to Windows 8.1 and control the desktop. [04:57] remmina is a nice client for sure.. its also not magic, though [04:58] * Volund does apt-get install remmina gigolo -y... okayyyy [04:58] sheesh. [04:59] Look, I put Lubuntu on an ancient Pentium 4 computer and attempted a remote connection to my Win8.1 machine. had that P4 been running windows, it would've been choking to render it. [04:59] Remmina responded beautifully meanwhile. [04:59] this is why I wanna investigate things more. [05:00] * Volund launches Gigolo, investigates [05:03] network shares are UP... [05:35] So all in all I'd say that Lubuntu is responding -faster- than Windows does for reacting to 'you opened an mp3 file' or stuff. Still getting used to a few quirks but overall I like it. [05:35] we'll see if I can enjoy it for a few days [17:25] Any suggestions on how to debug an "Clicks which should trigger menus on LXPanel don't" issue? [17:30] I think it has something to do with my weirdly-shaped triple-head desktop since it doesn't seem to want to acknowledge changes to desktop geometry. (If I kill it, move the left monitor's virtual position up, and then restart, it doesn't appear) [17:31] ...but moving the monitor down without restarting reveals that it was placing itself at the position that the monitor normally lies at. [17:32] (And I know it's not that I'm running Plasma, xfce-panel, and LXPanel together on the same desktop because this was working back before my aborted attempt to configure Plasma widgets to match the functionality offered by LXPanel and xfce-panel) [17:36] (LXPanel's too limited on non-rectangular desktops, Plasma's clock is broken on panels too small for 2-line display and its Quick Access widget is broken in general, and xfce-desktop directory menu is broken on *buntu 14.04 and over-pads the launcher menu icon) [17:38] Oh, and I can't just use LXPanel and xfce-panel together because PCManFM and xfce-desktop are both broken in different ways on non-rectangular desktops. (LXPanel is over-conservative, xfce-panel places my icons in inaccessible dead zones) [20:57] In Lubuntu I use google chrome, and when I open Chrome delays to start and cpu is nearly 100%. [20:57] but later it works ok, only after boot delays [20:57] why happens this? [21:16] silver_m: not sure might be something with chrome [21:16] also what is your useage when you boot and don't use chrome [21:17] I think is also high when I boot because it says XORG consumes usage [21:19] the Xorg has 46% [21:19] usage [21:19] after boot [21:19] but later it not has much usage [21:20] cpu usage goes 5% after some time [21:21] That makes me wonder if Chrome is tripping over some kind of graphics driver misconfiguration that's pushing everything into the slow path. [21:30] well how can I make good configuration [21:30] First, what kind of video card do you have? [22:08] I seem to be having this problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/614198/starting-version-219-bug-after-the-15-04-update only I updated to 15.04 a while back, and it came up after I tried to start a game and my machine crashed and I tried to boot again. I've tried the suggested command from the comments, and I have the same outcome as the last comment [23:26] Sorry, if anyone responded, I havn't seen it [23:27] keeping on a webchat with an iPod is a bit hard