[05:11] good morning [07:10] good morning desktopers [07:17] seb128: ok .. AlbertA removed the libmirprotobuf0 ABI breaks from 0.14 [07:17] with that boottest should work [07:18] anpok_, does that resolve the usc issue? [07:18] great :-) [07:19] need to fix my krillin - I bricked it yesterday with my last attempt to bump libmirprotobuf0 to 1 which went boom.. [07:22] Does anyone here have the time to upload gegl 0.3? [07:23] It and the required patches to gnome-photos and gimp are in ppa:noskcaj/gegl [07:23] Debian hasn't yet uploaded this due to a lack of response from the gimp maintainer, and it would be nice to get it before FF [08:04] hihi [08:05] hey willcooke [08:05] how is u.k today? [08:05] so far, not bad. Nice and warm [08:06] how about you? [08:06] seb128: warm and grey here [08:06] heya [08:07] not so sunny here today [08:07] hey Laney [08:07] anpok_: nice! [08:07] hey seb128 willcooke davmor2 [08:07] what's up? [08:07] yeah pretty grey here [08:07] Noskcaj, is that new gegl a transition? is there a bug about it? [08:08] Laney: Ceiling, Sky, Clouds and stuff [08:11] troposphere stratosphere mesosphere thermosphere exosphere [08:12] *sphere [08:13] heliosphere [08:13] probably more spheres that i don't know about [08:14] don't forget heaven [08:15] is that up???? [08:16] ISS [08:16] willcooke: can't blag me the song specifically says Heaven is a place on Earth :P [08:17] seb128, yes, there's a transition. There's a debian auto-gegl tracker, and we have bugs for the new upstream release of gegl and gnome-photos from robert_ancell, but no actual transition bug [08:18] Noskcaj, how is debian handling that transition if they don't update gegl? [08:18] Noskcaj, can you share the bug numbers? [08:19] bug 1470282 bug 1470658 [08:19] bug 1470282 in gegl (Ubuntu) "Update to 0.3" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470282 [08:19] bug 1470658 in gnome-photos (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.16" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470658 [08:20] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790421 [08:20] Debian bug 790421 in src:gimp "gimp: please bump GEGL build-dependency to 0.3.0" [Wishlist,Open] [08:20] I guess first step would be to add your work to the first bug and subscribe sponsors then? [08:20] it's in debian exp currently, waiting on a response from the gimp maintainer AFAIK [08:21] response to what? [08:21] is there an issue/concern with gimp? [08:21] about patching gimp to support the new gegl [08:21] It's just changing compile stuff, no real code patches [08:21] is that patch upstream? [08:21] renamed pcfile [08:21] I've tested gimp and gnome-photos [08:21] brb, dinner [08:28] hey Laney seb128, robert_ancell bounced me back to you guys for the u-s-d/u-c-c gsettings changes ;( [08:28] lol [08:28] he's not interested? or too busy? or not in agreement? [08:28] seb128, said he didnt understand enough about the changes [08:28] haha [08:29] k, same than me then :p [08:29] it needs somebody wanting to sit down for some hours [08:29] I added some more details on the bug about what has changed [08:29] i am supposed to patch pilot some time [08:29] will look then [08:29] Laney, k, thanks [08:33] somebody should hit GNOME with a "gsettings schemas are api" stick === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [08:36] seb128, at the same time, it makes no sense having mutter use schemas from g-s-d (under wayland, where the g-s-d plugin is disabled) [08:37] darkxst, it doesn't need to, they could have let the old schemas in place untouched and created a new set of keys [08:38] having some migration code write the new keys on first start and letting the old untouched [08:38] and having the new code using the new keys only [08:38] that would have let the old "api" untouched [08:38] seb128, the issue here is that u-s-d shares g-s-d schemas [08:38] seb128, how do you know the settings have been migrated? [08:39] you write a new boolean key "settings-migrated"? [08:39] which default to false [08:39] the GNOME approach was to reset everything to default setting [08:39] and write it to true when you do the migration [08:42] seb128, but really this is a unique case, no other downstream, shares the g-s-d schemas [08:42] seb128, gimp is patched upstream, but i've not yet found the patch [08:48] darkxst, it's the usual GNOME line of thinking, they do the same for GTK [08:48] "let's change ABI, the only users of that API that we know about are things we can fix' [08:49] oh well, I guess that's not a discussion that's going to help there [08:49] darkxst, if Laney doesn't review it I can try to have a look this week [08:50] but same as robert_ancell, I don't understand the details atm [08:53] seb128, its a little different to GTK, but yes I do agree they behave similar in that case [08:59] since there is absolutely no guarantee about g-s-d api's/schemas [09:03] upstream gegl patch https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/configure.ac?id=f72c138771369575f87f272be1cb94372c220d97 [09:07] that commit is from 2013 [09:07] yes [09:07] gimp hasn't had a new major release in years [09:07] and that's in master, not the 2.8 branch [09:08] you made sure that 2.8 builds with the new gegl? [09:08] yep, that's what's in the ppa [09:08] worked fine on my pc [09:09] k [09:09] no gegl in the sponsoring queue? [09:10] let me know when it's there and I can have a look [09:10] there [09:11] the ~ppa1 versions will need dropping, i won't have time to do that for a while, so just take it if you can please [09:11] there? [09:12] there = sponsors subscribed [09:13] k === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:19] *yawn* good morning desktop [12:39] hey desrt [12:40] desrt, how are you? [12:40] okay [12:40] how's life in schengen? [12:40] good [12:40] we have some sun again since yesterday ;-) [12:40] morning desrt! [12:40] it's been great here lately [12:40] except a bit humid :) [12:40] hihi didrocks [12:40] still really warm here [12:41] * desrt is starting to get excited about vacation :) [12:41] will be better in a couple of hours, supposed to rain [12:41] desrt, when/where do you go? [12:41] i have two weeks off starting monday [12:41] when i return, i will not be the same person [12:41] my mind will have been warped [12:42] two solid weeks of speaking esperanto [12:42] :-) [12:42] do you go to any european conf after that? [12:42] debconf is two weeks after [12:42] then back home [12:43] so spending a bit over a month in europe? [12:43] about a month [12:43] two weeks after = "not the next week, but the one after" [12:43] I see [12:43] we probably see each others at debconf then ;-) [12:44] reminds me [12:44] * desrt has to send an email about that [12:44] I'm still not 100% sure going but I should [12:45] is everyone eating at the venue place? [12:45] ie: did you take the meal option in the sign-up? [12:46] no [12:46] I didn't at least [12:46] "From the main train station you can reach the youth hostel by bus within 10 minutes" [12:47] sounds like there will be no shortage of food outside :) [12:48] I didn't either [12:49] seb128: but your room is book, isn't it? [12:49] booked* [12:49] didrocks, I guess so, Michelle was supposed to do the booking no? [12:49] I didn't check [12:49] msm sent an email to me saying that she booked me a room [12:50] seb128: I don't know if she doesn't only do that for those having their travel request number [12:51] I've a confirmation number on the gdoc [12:51] so I guess she did [12:51] great :) [12:51] attente will be here soon [12:51] i'm going to go put on some pants [12:51] :D [12:52] lol [12:52] ;) [12:52] there's a bit of an inside joke there. ask attente some time about his new opinion on pants ;) [12:54] or ask him about swimming pants [12:54] I'm sure Laney remembers ;-) [12:54] was there an 'accident'? [12:56] let's say that one should be aware that some clothes become transparents when wet [12:56] oh. i see. [12:56] or maybe i'd prefer not to see, in fact... [12:56] right [12:56] that is some seriously poor engineering on swim shorts.... [12:56] unsure if those were designed to swim [12:57] or if attente just decided to pick that to go swimming [12:57] no 'usability testing' [12:57] you are not supposed to wear pants in swimming pool, so then, bear with it! :) [12:57] * ogra_ finds another channel to lurk [12:57] "William is a young software engineer. He enjoys rock climbing and swimming." [12:57] ^ gotta have your usecases down [13:32] D: === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:35] tedg, what makes an url type defined for url-dispatcher? [13:35] seb128, If the package has a hook for a url-dispatcher file. [13:35] seb128, We then parse it and put that into a cache database [13:36] seb128, So technically, in the sqlite db, but realistically the url-dispatcher file is how you get there. [13:36] tedg, hum, so entries in /usr/share/url-dispatcher/urls/ ? [13:37] seb128, Yeah, for debs [13:37] seb128, I was thinking you were asking for clicks [13:37] tedg, I'm trying to understand bug 1477149 [13:38] bug 1477149 in gallery-app (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gallery-app:url-dispatcher-bad-url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477149 [13:38] for clicks you use an "app.url-dispatcher" file .... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/junk/google-plus-app/files [13:38] tedg, which is basically appid:/// not being recogniezed [13:38] " appid://com.ubuntu.camera/camera/current-user-version " [13:38] seb128, appid:/// is handled internally, so in that case it is the camera not being installed. [13:39] it's installed [13:39] and I can start it from the dash [13:39] seb128, click list ? [13:39] seb128, Is it still called com.ubuntu.camera ? [13:39] it's not a click [13:39] that's on the snappy personal image [13:39] Oh, then that appid won't work. [13:39] yeah for convergence :-/ [13:40] Why is it not a click on personal? [13:40] because snappy and clicks are not friends [13:40] we have snaps there only [13:40] Ah, so we need a way to launch snaps. [13:41] Which requires a way for snaps to define applications instead of binaries. [13:41] well, camera is not snapified yet [13:41] it's part of the image [13:41] but I guess you have no interest in supporting debs on the base image? [13:41] I'm not sure how that'd really work... [13:42] We're using those fields to look up in the Click database. [13:42] can't we just look up for a .desktop [13:42] I think the work around that would be possible is if you had the camera register camera:/// and then gallery call that. [13:42] Then the deb could register that URL and we could call the desktop file. [13:43] I need to run a kid to camp, brb. [13:43] tedg, thanks for the replies! [13:53] seb128, do you happen to know a way to set a kbd layout on a user level without accessing the system settings (/me just has a question on G+ from someone using a real kbd with his phone and i dont want to suggest making it writable) [13:53] ogra_, under mir? no idea, I don't even know if that's possible... [13:54] heh, k [13:54] thanks [13:54] greyback_ might know [13:54] yw [13:54] well, for convergence it will have to be possible ... one day :) [13:55] yeah, kenvandine is working with the mir team to get api defined for input config [13:55] (but i guess we'll just add keymaps to the rootfs and make the confi dir writable for that) [13:55] ogra_: I believe mir supports different kbd layouts, but unity8 not exporting that yet [13:55] ah, k [14:40] cyphermox: hey, do you have a sec to talk about bug #1297849? [14:40] bug 1297849 in network-manager-vpnc (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Virtual private network connection fails after distribution upgrade due to outdated Network Manager configuration files" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297849 [14:40] sure [14:41] cyphermox: I don't know what the root cause is, but since it has be identified that it has something to do with obtaining shell version by dbus it may be some kind of a race condition [14:41] upstream has removed this shell watcher implementation [14:41] do you think backporting https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4473e6a48fcfda1d87d4a4bc9f5c0589235dcfe0 makes sense? [14:42] I think it will make the problem go away, but I'm not sure if it will not have any unwanted implications [14:45] it looks fine, aiui we also don't autostart in the shell, but better make sure first [14:46] I've done some tests with this change backported and saw no problems [14:46] otherwise the other patch looked okay-ish [14:46] in which release? [14:46] however, I haven't been able to reproduce the problem in the first place [14:46] ok [14:46] in vivid [14:46] ok [14:46] maybe I can prepare a ppa and ask for testing in a comment [14:47] bah [14:47] let me just check the autostart, then we can just upload to trusty-proposed [14:48] backporting to trusty is less trivial, I would need more time to merge it [14:48] or we could use the other patch for trusty [14:50] sorry i meant vivid :) [14:51] phew :) [14:51] attaching debdiff to the bug is ok? [14:52] sure, but what concerns me is that I'm not sure this is gnome-shell specific [14:57] cyphermox: I've analyzed comment #60 and it makes sense, for whatever reason nm-applet hangs there before it failed to obtain shell version in 5 attempts [14:57] so it's either a race condition or something else, but this patch should remove that dependency [15:06] dgadomski: the short patch with a notify is safest [15:06] but I'm still not convinced it will actually really fix the "bugs" people are seeing [15:07] cyphermox: for both vivid & trusty? [15:07] vivid and utopic [15:07] well, for wily too [15:07] can you upload? [15:08] I can only attach it to the bug (but it's already there), I don't have other upload rights [15:09] ok [15:09] well I already have a debdiff then [15:09] I'll do the uploads now [15:09] cool, thanks [15:28] * Laney cries at moar autopkgtest failures [15:46] dgadomski: uploaded to wily., utopic and trusty, but there currently is a package in -proposed for vivid. [15:48] thanks [15:48] so I guess it will hit vivid-proposed right after this one will be promoted to -updates, right? [15:52] hrm. Just downloaded the W daily image and I can't log in. From /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log [15:52] I see that unity-greeter.vala died [15:52] is that a red herring? [15:57] willcooke, what happens when you try to log in? [15:57] seb128, it just sits there [15:58] on the greeter? [15:58] like after you entered your password? [15:58] I've just got purple salad "Ubuntu 15.10" in the cornet [15:58] corner [15:58] the login boxes etc have gone [15:58] can you check what logs are in .cache/upstart ? [15:58] like gnome-session-Unity.log [15:59] dont have that one [15:59] weird [15:59] have dbus, jayatana, notify-cgmanager and unity-gtk-module [15:59] anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? [16:00] $things terminated with status 127 [16:02] right, those are not an issue [16:02] what about /var/log/*.log? [16:02] the lightdm and greeter ones [16:02] can you pastebin those? [16:04] sure [16:05] seb128, how's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11920734/ [16:06] willcooke, it's like you entered wrong password or something [16:06] "[+13.27s] DEBUG: Session: Failed during authentication" [16:07] then you tried a guest session which "worked" it seems [16:10] seb128, guest session is the same [16:10] not according to the log [16:10] lies [16:10] ! [16:10] ;) [16:11] /var/lib/lightdm-data/guest-TYxDIn/.xsession-errors doesn't have more issues? [16:11] or /var/lib/lightdm-data/guest-TYxDIn/.cache/upstart [16:11] but it looks like your normal session failed on auth issues ... you are sure of your password? not keymap issue? [16:12] password on a live session? [16:13] I've tired another guest session, same deal, just sits there [16:13] having checked /var/lib/lightdm-data/guest [16:13] there is no .xsession-errors file [16:14] or indeed a .cache dir [16:15] * willcooke tries a live session from usb [16:15] Laney, who said it's a live session? [16:15] oh, side note - when I boot up the network notification is just a black oblong [16:15] I assumed it was a new install [16:15] "the W daily image" [16:15] yeah, install from the daily iso [16:15] right, I assumed it was an install from the daily [16:15] I wouldn't call that booting the daily image [16:16] nobody said that [16:16] he said he downloaded the daily image :p [16:16] anyway [16:16] willcooke, is that a liveCD or an install? [16:16] install [16:16] if it's an install, was the live session working? [16:16] just trying a live session from usb now... [16:16] or did you pick the installer mode? [16:17] I did installer [16:17] live session just booting.... [16:17] k [16:17] hrm, black screen [16:18] I can get to tty1 [16:18] same here [16:18] something is fucked [16:18] k [16:19] I don't have a daily handy, I can download one but it's likely going to be a first thing tomorrow for me [16:19] I wonder if that's the buggy live-build upload that bugged upstart on the phone [16:19] there was a fix just uploaded for that [16:19] only-ubiquity mode works [16:19] weird [16:20] I guess upstart buggy would only bug the user sessions [16:20] since system is systemd [16:20] unsure about ubiquity mode [16:20] yeah that probably doesn't use upstart [16:20] k, so my bet is on that [16:20] willcooke, I would say to wait tomorrow morning [16:20] it's likely fix commited and going to be good on next iso build [16:20] what is worrying is that the smoke testing passed [16:20] sure thing, thanks [16:20] ... [16:21] we have a "boot to desktop" test? [16:21] obviously not [16:21] k, I was unsure what is in the tests you just mentioned [16:22] but I guess "not enough" [16:23] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop/files/head:/testsuites/usit/ [16:23] k [16:23] nothing about the user session indeed [16:24] I don't know if they run on an installed system or just the image [16:24] cyphermox: halp? [16:25] well, actually a test that live mode works would have been enough here [16:26] indeed I see initctl not found in .cache/upstart/dbus.log [16:28] willcooke: if you reinstall upstart it fixes things, btw [16:28] apt-get install --reinstall upstart [16:28] * willcooke tries [16:29] yah! [16:29] is good [16:29] hello? [16:30] hey, how's it going? ;) [16:30] not bad, you? :) [16:30] super [16:30] it's nearly quittin' time [16:30] aaaaaaaaaaaanyway [16:30] Laney, next time you boot you daily can you see if you also get a black oblong where the "Connected to network" notification should be while in the greeter. Might just be me [16:31] willcooke: those happen in the greeter on the desktop for me, I think it's a driver/compositing/something thing [16:31] maybe Robert knows [16:31] oki, thx [16:31] cyphermox: I/we was wondering about the smoke tests... do they operate purely on the image or do/can they work on the resulting installed system? [16:32] cyphermox: Today's image has a busted live session due to missing /sbin/initctl and yet smoke testing passed [16:32] they do work on the installed system [16:32] that's how lvm test works [16:32] so can we add a test that checks unity comes up, or something? [16:32] smoke tests are busted in general, I think they don't fail if it times out in some particular state [16:32] well, provided you have one way to test that [16:33] I'm thinking we should add a "desktop screenshot" thing at the end, just to be safe. [16:33] (if it's not already tehre) [16:33] I just see tests which poke around the filesystem, nothing which does anything desktoppy [16:33] unless that is somewhere else [16:34] the empty app thing [16:34] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop/files/head:/testsuites/usit/empty_startup_app/ [16:35] ah right, cool [16:35] sooo... did that pass? [16:36] do these even all get run? [16:36] ah, wait, no [16:36] the oem-config one should be failing [16:36] if it was run.. [16:37] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/wily/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/wily-desktop-amd64-smoke-oem/ [16:37] it ran yesterday [16:37] ... [16:37] yeah, this is special [16:37] jsut a sec [16:38] I'm going to file a bug [16:38] are you the right person to be going to for this stuff or should it be the QA team? [16:38] it runs next to nothing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop/view/head:/runlists/default.run [16:39] HAHA [16:40] it's not really owned by anyone [16:41] I can enable moar tests and then start the smoke testing again, we'll see how things behave [16:41] willcooke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQC7dweRTKU you'll appreciate this :) [16:42] Laney: tests still might need adjustin' [16:43] probably [16:43] davmor2, screw you! :D [16:43] ahahaha [16:43] willcooke: you're welcome [16:44] cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-test-cases/+bug/1477227 [16:44] Ubuntu bug 1477227 in Ubuntu Test Cases "Desktop ISO smoke testing coverage is not very good" [Undecided,New] [16:44] Laney: thanks [16:44] so, about the live session now, I think there are no tests for it [16:45] how do we not have an initctl? [16:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/1477051 [16:46] Ubuntu bug 1477051 in live-build (Ubuntu) "Phones on devel-proposed do not boot - /bin/sh: 1: /bin/sh: initctl: not found" [Critical,Confirmed] [16:47] cute. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:44]