=== rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away [04:55] Morning everyone [04:55] maaz tell kilos Oom as ek reply op jou mail kry ek delivery error op daai email addy van jou : http://bin.snyman.info/rrafr [04:55] mazal: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [06:06] good mornings [06:09] mornings [06:26] morning Kilos [06:27] seeing that nobody else wants to greet anymore :p [06:27] hi ThatGraemeGuy and all others [06:27] hehe [06:27] ill bee here now now, chatting to debs [07:22] hi inetpro can you please check out the list mail for africa, it wont accept replies [07:29] Kilos: please explain your problem [07:29] some of the africa peeps tried to reply to the mail i send out and they get errors inetpro [07:30] http://bin.snyman.info/rrafr [07:30] mazal also and he gave that paste [07:30] Kilos: does msdomdonner@ubuntu.africa exist? [07:31] oh my [07:37] oh it should be ubuntu-africa? [07:37] is that right [07:37] mazal look man [08:04] hi all [08:04] hi pieter2627 [08:06] pieter2627 have you tried a reply to that africa list [08:07] nope, just got it [08:07] ive had some guys say they cant reply [08:07] pro said inetpro> Kilos: does msdomdonner@ubuntu.africa exist? [08:08] so i dunno now if it should be ubuntu-africa or i must make a new account [08:08] oh, someone will authorize any mails going to the list? [08:09] yes i do, but some tried to reply [08:10] the site is ubuntu-africa.info - so an addy for it should be something@ubuntu-africa.info [08:10] will test the reply for you [08:10] oh my [08:10] ty [08:10] wbb [08:11] the reply-to is definitely wrong (msdomdonner@ubuntu.africa) [08:11] shouldn't it be the list's addy? [08:13] * mazal peeks in [08:13] Lo everyone [08:13] lo mazal [08:13] hola mazal [08:13] i dont know pieter2627 [08:14] aha so where is the prob [08:14] The reply to is wrong [08:14] ^^ [08:14] So check where that is configured [08:14] inetpro ^^ 3 [08:15] BUT , you sent that from your own mail client ? Then it can be in your own mail client that reply-to is wrong [08:15] not my ubuntu alias [08:15] Check both I would say , mail list config and your own client's config [08:15] ? [08:16] Check yout thunderbird or whatever you use to what the reply-to is set. If that is fine then check the mail list config [08:17] you send it from your client to the list, then the list sends it further which is why i think it is mainly in the list [08:17] oh also, the one guy was using yahoo, which i had to then use my old one to be able to join them [08:19] ai! [08:19] hi ronaldm [08:19] and MaNI [08:19] morning [08:20] Kilos: I am good, thanks and how are u? [08:20] also good ty [08:20] :) [08:23] i need a mail from that list so i can see what TB uses as a reply-to [08:23] sigh [08:24] as jy kan sukkel sal jy [08:24] Kilos: why would you want to mess with things that don't need messing? [08:24] i dont know inetpro , i dont want to mess with anything [08:25] i just want things to work [08:25] there's no need to modify your reply-to address [08:25] this is all above me [08:25] oh [08:26] please dont make me try to think it out today, head to sore [08:26] just say do tis or do that [08:26] this [08:27] just keep it the same way as you do for all your mail, there's nothing special to it and there is no such thing as a @ubuntu.africa address [08:27] nobody created it, so why would you even try? [08:28] so what must i tell the ghana guy that told me the reply-to gives an error [08:28] what is the error? [08:28] i will mail and ask him [08:29] ai! [08:31] hello Miles [08:31] my reply to the mailing list failed [08:31] please let me know [08:31] cheers [08:31] thats all i got [08:31] that's not good enough [08:31] yes thats why i mailed him now to ask him to paste the error message [08:33] have we received any replies from that list [08:33] i dunno [08:34] inetpro: Full error in the paste I gave thise morning [08:34] domain don't exist [08:34] must be something i am doing wrong [08:34] DNS Error: Address resolution of ubuntu.africa. failed: Domain name not found [08:35] mazal: that one was obviously a problem on Kilos's own setup [08:35] and I guess it's related [08:35] oh my [08:36] hence me asking: 07/22 10:24:23 Kilos: why would you want to mess with things that don't need messing? [08:36] * Kilos lost [08:37] let anyone else send to the africa mailing list and hit the reply and see for yourself [08:38] * pieter2627 sees that the reply for previous emails from the list is correct [08:38] ai! [08:38] so what must i do if i mustnt mess with things that dont need messing [08:39] Kilos: obviously you changed something on your local side... dig deep and ask yourself why and then go undo it [08:40] oh my [08:46] ok sent one, hopefully this works now [08:47] TB has funny ways of doing things [08:47] the reply now goes back to the list Kilos [08:48] yay [08:48] so thats good right? [08:48] * pieter2627 is not sure - got a bit confused by pro [08:48] i will just have to choose the reply to addy everytime [08:49] hehehehehe [08:49] lol he likes to keep me totally confused [08:50] It's still not right [08:50] oh no [08:50] * pieter2627 is pondering the same thing, but waiting for a pro to confirm [08:50] Both reply and reply to list is the lists addy now. [08:51] It should be reply - your own email addy ( for someone wants to reply only to you ) , and reply to list option should be the list's addy ( if someone wants to reply to the whole list ) [08:51] if you reply to list then the whole group on list should get it [08:51] the reply to is to me only [08:52] That's my point , the reply to is the whole list currently , not you [08:52] but now both are same [08:52] yep [08:52] so i dunno [08:52] Which is incorrect [08:52] well at least they all get in now [08:53] or maybe i must make and account like that in there too [08:53] AI! [08:55] maybe i must join that list as msdomdonner@ubuntu.africa [08:55] or it should be left blank (but don't know too much about lists) [08:55] Kilos: msdomdonner@ubuntu.africa does not exist... it will go nowhere [08:55] oh well we wait for some pro advice [08:56] so does that mean i must create that addy? [08:56] ai! [09:06] ai! [09:06] You are an active member of this team already. [09:06] all that ubuntu one effort [09:14] Kilos: you won't be able to create that addy if you tried [09:14] the current addy is okay, there is just an issue with how it goes 'out' [09:15] Kilos: why do you even want to mess with reply-to? [09:16] out from my client? [09:16] its not me inetpro [09:16] its others trying to reply to mail i sent out [09:16] ai! [09:16] i dont understand it all man [09:17] * pieter2627 now thinks that is enough confirmation that it should be left alone(blank) [09:17] yes, it should be left alone [09:17] oh i can look at the blank thing [09:18] when you send a message to the list the receiver can decide whether to reply-to the sender or reply-to all which should then reply back to the list [09:18] well TB decided to add the reply to thing [09:19] no [09:19] I don't believe that at all [09:19] it pops up on its own [09:19] filled or blank? [09:19] i have just deleted it [09:19] filled with the domdonner addy [09:19] inetpro: That's where the problem currently lies , the reply to ( for only the person who posted ) is the list adress , and not his own adress [09:20] Kilos: check account settings [09:20] So if a user choose reply to ( to reply just to Kilos ) it goes to whole list [09:20] lemme try again with it blank [09:20] mazal: because he messed with it [09:20] ok i go look for account settings [09:20] craig's email arrived as mazal explains [09:21] yes i got that [09:21] And everyone else [09:21] Instead of just you [09:21] sigh [09:22] Kilos: Edit > Account settings > the addy on the left list [09:22] * pieter2627 hopes he remembered correctly [09:23] ai! [09:23] in the accounts settings page that opens i see reply to and its blank [09:23] for the @ubuntu.com addy? [09:24] but that is on my gmail.com [09:24] i dunno where the ubuntu.com is as yet [09:24] list on the left [09:25] ubuntu.com is just an alias, it doesnt show on the left [09:26] inetpro will have to jump in again [09:27] lol [09:27] inetpro fixit [09:28] thinks that you will either have to check the address that it is an alias for, or there might be a setting for aliases [09:29] its the alias for gmal [09:29] gmail [09:29] and the gmail account shows reply to as blank [09:30] then check the second case [09:30] whats that? [09:31] Kilos: why do you make something so simple into a complex issue? Just treat the mailing list the same way you treat any other email address... [09:31] when sending to a private address the receiver simply hits reply to send back to you... no special settings needed... end of story [09:31] somewhere that account is set so that emails appear to be coming from it, right? [09:31] i have 4 accounts there and all show blank reply to [09:32] ok inetpro so its when i actually make a mail that i must just ensure the reply to is blank right? [09:32] inetpro if he composes a new message and the reply-to is auto filled, then a default is set somewhere? [09:33] it stopped [09:33] next mail doesnt show the reply to option [09:34] great!!! [09:34] nono [09:34] * pieter2627 already started running away [09:34] that was with gmail. when i change to ubuntu.com itr auto adds the send to [09:35] lol [09:36] is ubuntu.com chosen from the dropdown? [09:36] yes [09:36] i havent been able to make it as default [09:37] sent a mail with ok [09:37] try a reply and we see [09:38] sjoe [09:38] so somewhere, sometime it was added - the same location should be where to remove the reply-to default [09:38] haha i always make simple things difficult [09:39] wbb (have to go check a Tb) [09:39] ty [09:40] Ok , it looks right now [09:41] reply to goes to miles and reply to list goes to list addy [09:41] So if that miles addy exist it should work , I sent a test to it oom [09:41] good then i must just remember to blank the reply to everytime [09:42] yay ty guys [09:42] i got them [09:42] Should only be needed once , once you blanked it and applied the changed it should stay blank [09:43] it happens the minute i choose the ubuntu.com alias [09:43] Reply to is best to always leave blank as the mail system will then default it to the account that send the mail [09:43] You only use that when you want replies specifically to go somewhere else [09:45] it chooses it automatically when choosing the ubuntu.com option instead of gmail.com [09:45] ill try remember to blank it everytime [09:45] That shouldn't happen [09:46] ya [09:46] anyway now i know how to get past it all is good [09:46] Kilos: go to account settings again [09:47] * pieter2627 might have found it [09:48] for that gmail address (which it as an alias for) click 'Manage Entities' [09:48] lemme get there [09:49] the ubuntu.com addy should then be there [09:49] yes [09:49] wooo [09:49] must i dit [09:49] edit and remove the reply-to [09:49] edit [09:49] ty [09:50] ty so much pieter2627 [09:51] np [09:53] * pieter2627 still feels a bit like a zombie, but learned a few things [10:03] hmm... [10:04] TB is involved, thats why i always used evolution [10:06] only the alias thing was too hard to get working [10:17] whew need a rest after all of that [10:18] Ok , so why use aliases in the first place ? [10:18] so peeps can see its ubuntu talking not only some domdonner [10:19] Don't you just configure the second account ? [10:19] I don't even see anything that says aliases in my TB account settings [10:20] no there is no option to make the alias my default account [10:20] even getting that to work was a mission [10:57] mazal: the aliases are set in 'Manage entities' for the real addy [10:57] s/for/of/ [11:11] oom Kilos , I struggle to understand why you would want to struggle with that ? [11:12] i dunno the pro said do it [11:12] but it gives you some authority it seems [11:13] when i approached peeps as domdonner i often got ignored [11:13] that improve lots with the ubuntu.com [11:13] Why not simply add the second email acount on it's own [11:13] because it isnt an account [11:14] its an alias of another account [11:14] Each has it's own inbox and folders in main view and in whichever one you are standing and click "write" for a new mail it automatically selects that account and sends from that [11:14] no all same inbox [11:14] Ok , I thought it's a second email account [11:14] the ubuntu.com comes in the gmail inbox [11:15] same as my nick here [11:15] the ubuntu.com cloak is a cloak over my other freenode cloak [11:15] Sound all very complicated to me [11:16] ai! [11:16] But ok , I thought it was just a second email account [11:17] Kilos: don't confuse cloaking with email redirection... it has nothing to do with it [11:17] wat ai! jy nou weer inetpro [11:17] oh that [11:17] ya man i mean its similar, one thing hidden behind another [11:17] I'm going to call him ainetpro from now on [11:18] lol [11:18] rofl [11:18] Now that was sharp :) [11:18] very [11:18] ja noem my sommer minora [11:18] hehe [11:18] Nou hoor net so bek :) [11:18] Hy moet jam kry [11:19] haha [11:19] ThatGraemeGuy: hmm... you were way too clever to stay out of this discussion [11:19] hehe [11:19] sorry I was driving around a bit, just got back :) [11:20] * ThatGraemeGuy reads [11:20] ew no I'm glad I missed all that [11:20] lol [11:20] * mazal sips a coke and glares at maaz [11:21] gmail FTW, you can keep your thunderbirds and your evolution [11:21] maaz , we skipped lunch again !!! [11:21] mazal: Excuse me? [11:21] the evolution is over, desktop mail clients are the dinosaurs [11:21] * inetpro should learn to rather stay focused on work during working hours [11:21] * Kilos a dinosaur [11:23] dinosaurs are cool [11:23] inetpro you enjoy ai! me and it adds something intresting to your daily grind [11:23] trex > swallow 10 times out of 10 :) [11:23] haha [11:29] This is one of very very few days when I concider a bear [11:30] Everything is kapoet and all batteries are flat [11:30] and that should probably be beer* [11:31] lol [11:31] One of these days I will learn to spell , don't worry. But not today [11:31] i was wondering if you prefered bears to dinosaurs [11:31] tough choice [11:31] polar bears are pretty awesome [11:32] yeah [11:32] and then grizzly bears [11:32] wind today is crazy [11:32] yeah and cold [11:32] * mazal wonders how we started at mail and wound up at freekin polar bears lol [11:32] lol [11:33] I think I felt my cars tires lift off the road at a robot, later on I log into facebook and there is a picture of some other guys car turned over at exact same spot [11:33] lucky escape [11:33] Wow where is that MaNI ? [11:33] wow [11:33] do you drive a double-decker bus? o_O [11:33] gordons bay [11:33] oh right never mind [11:34] the wind there could blow an A8 over [11:34] Speed 1 , great movie [11:34] that specific road I think acts as a wind channel or something [11:34] worse there than elsewhere [11:34] won't be going that route during wind again [11:34] speed wasn't a double-decker bus ;-p [11:36] Now I feel like having an oldies movie night sometime [11:36] inetpro its all about community spirit. work is never such fun [11:37] even MaNI stayed here [11:37] and ThatGraemeGuy too [11:38] even if we ask stupid questions and mess things up, its part of the fun of belonging [11:38] ThatGraemeGuy: What Os do you use ? [11:42] Ag no , my domain is back [11:42] ubuntu [11:42] xubuntu, specifically [11:43] And you don't use an email client ? Do you use web interface ? [11:43] yeah gmail [11:44] gmail ftw, love it over multiple pcs, multiple os's ect [11:44] talking about strong winds, in the news; "The Huguenot Tunnel had to be closed late on Tuesday afternoon after four trucks were blown over on the bridge near the N1 Toll Plaza." [11:44] I use it too , but still use client , in imap mode [11:45] ah, Irritating Mail Access Protocol [11:45] well its better than POP, Pathetically Old Protocol [11:46] I will forgive the use of fat clients and IMAP for those of you with dodgy connectivity [11:46] I use imap for that exact reasons TinuvaMac mentioned [11:47] And use client cos I find it a little easier than web interface [11:48] I don't like tying my mail to a device [11:49] I can check my mail on my laptop, phone, tablet, etc [11:49] even on my TV if I feel like it [11:50] i love it when people connect their phones to ms exchange, give you access to remotely wipe their phone when they leave company [11:51] lol [11:51] and is also why my personal phone will never be connected to exchange [11:51] if company wants me to read mails on my phone, they can sponsor said phone [11:54] Not a fan of exchange [11:54] Our work uses it [12:01] ours too [12:02] only problem is, they use 2007 still, so i cant use the new outlook on osx to schedule meetings [12:02] highly annoying [12:02] sympathies [12:16] oom Kilos I am on the verge [12:16] of madness? [12:16] Getting very close to just write off the money spent on pc games and go back on my main machine [12:16] sjoe [12:17] I miss ubuntu too much at home man [12:17] thats a very good sign [12:17] Oh sorry , I'm still at the M$ conversation by the way lol [12:17] play games on xboxes and playstations [12:17] Every night I get a little more annoyed [12:18] Sure I have it on server box , but is not the same [12:19] * mazal hears some singing [12:20] " Dink jy darem nog aan my ! " [12:20] lol [12:21] l8tr all , enjoy the afternoon [12:21] maaz bye [12:21] kbye mazal [12:21] you too [16:44] Maaz seen superfly [16:44] Kilos: superfly was last seen 21 hours, 59 minutes and 32 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-21 11:45:13 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2015-07-21 15:22:40 PDT [16:44] sjoe [16:46] good evening [16:46] hi magespawn [16:48] how things Kilos? [16:49] good ty magespawn and you? [16:49] im trying to get through hendershots fuelless genrator [16:49] good, very wet here today [16:50] logic would say that is impossible [16:53] yeah but im going to try it [16:53] just need to find the things needd [16:54] like a magnet bar [16:55] but tesla said if you ran a copper cable from north pole to south pole it could power many new yorks [16:56] it would get stolen [16:56] so the power is out there, we just need to find how to harvest it [16:56] lol yeah [16:56] especially the piece over za [16:58] or broken [17:01] hi mazal [17:01] hi magespawn [17:03] there is a large group of americans here at the hotel tonight, straining the network a bit [17:04] maaz seen Kilos [17:04] mazal: Kilos was last seen 7 minutes and 19 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-22 09:56:41 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2015-07-21 23:18:15 PDT [17:26] mazal how are you chatting? [17:26] software? [17:28] lol [17:33] Kilos: maybe tesla was working on the idea of inducing a current in the wire using the earths magnetic field [17:34] not sure if that is possible though [17:35] yes thats the whole idea [17:37] thats what hendershot based his research on but built coils to concentrate it [17:44] having fun running scans on the network [17:45] lol [17:45] the africa wiki page is having 2 more languages added [17:45] and i just sit here [17:45] have become a delegte [17:46] delegate [17:54] inetpro comment man [17:55] magespawn, at home hexchat , at work konversation [17:59] oh my [17:59] you should stay at work [18:00] irc is so basic anything will do really [18:06] hi SDCDev [18:10] Hi Kilos [18:10]