[05:15] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:51] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:51] <seb128> re didrocks :-)
[06:58] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[06:59] <seb128> hey willcooke
[06:59] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke, hey folks.
[06:59] <willcooke> hey TheMuso!
[06:59] <seb128> hey TheMuso
[07:00] <willcooke> Hrm
[07:00] <willcooke> TheMuso, are we due to meet this week?
[07:00] <willcooke> I think the 1:1s in my calendar have started to vanish
[07:01] <willcooke> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:01] <willcooke> hehehe
[07:01] <willcooke> When I created them I set them to repeat for 52 weeks by the looks of things
[07:01] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[07:01] <willcooke> so I guess that means I've been here a year.
[07:01] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[07:01] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[07:01] <didrocks> congrats willcooke ;)
[07:01] <willcooke> \o/
[07:02] <willcooke> didrocks, speaking of 1:1s - can I move ours?  I have a clash.
[07:02] <TheMuso> willcooke: Yes showing up here.
[07:02] <willcooke> I can move it earlier or later by 30 mins
[07:02] <willcooke> TheMuso, cool, I just reset it to not end...
[07:02] <didrocks> willcooke: earlier is better
[07:02] <willcooke> I'd better check the others
[07:02] <willcooke> didrocks, done
[07:03] <didrocks> great ;)
[07:09] <jhenke> hi folks. The recent 8.1 release of ownCloud server does not allow owncloud-client < 1.7 to sync files. I have filed bug 1477421 about this. Would you consider backporting owncloud-client from wily to odler releases to make it work again?
[07:15] <seb128> jhenke, hey, it's not really a desktop topic, that seems like a valid reason for an update though
[07:36] <willcooke> TheMuso, ready when you are
[07:48] <TheMuso> willcooke: Ok, jumping into the hangout now.
[07:48] <jhenke> seb128 thanks, I will ask #ubuntu-devel then
[08:05] <Laney> hey hey
[08:06] <didrocks> morningning Laney
[08:09] <Laney> 7~hey didrocks
[08:09] <Laney> 7~!!!!
[08:09] <Laney> what's up?
[08:09] <didrocks> and more importantly, why not 8? :)
[08:38] <seb128> nice, mir boottest are ok now
[08:38] <seb128> it got hit by the autopilot issues though
[08:38] <seb128> that makes ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts  fails
[08:44] <Laney> nice
[08:45] <Laney> I just tested that
[08:45] <Laney> gonig to ack it
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, great
[09:25] <seb128> anpok_, ^ btw for info
[09:27] <anpok_> seb128: hu?
[09:27] <anpok_> usc failed..
[09:27]  * anpok_ crawls back into his abi cave.
[09:28] <seb128> anpok_, it seems a setup issue
[09:29] <seb128> I wanted to kick a retry earlier, but connecting to the vpn from nm in wily doesn't work for me
[09:30] <anpok_> seb128: usc fails now because boottest does not update the graphics driver..
[09:30] <seb128> I get a "VPN connection disconnected because the VPN service has been halted"
[09:30] <seb128> oh? :-(
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, is vpn connection from n-m working for you in wily?
[09:31] <Laney> yep
[09:31] <seb128> I'm not asking didrocks since he's on vivid
[09:31] <seb128> hum, k
[09:31] <Laney> I use it most days
[09:31] <Laney> sorry :(
[09:31] <seb128> Jul 23 11:30:02 localhost nm-openvpn[20232]: MANAGEMENT: Socket bind failed on local address [AF_INET]127.0.0.1:1194: Address already in use
[09:32] <seb128> Jul 23 11:30:02 localhost NetworkManager[794]: <warn> error disconnecting VPN: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openvpn was not provided by any .service files
[09:32] <seb128> weird
[09:32]  * didrocks was unsure what this "I'm not asking" was about
[09:32] <didrocks> if you are not asking, don't ask, no need for hilighting :p
[09:33] <Laney> we didn't want you to feel left out
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, it was in case you upgraded to wily since the other day :-)
[09:33] <seb128> and that
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: so, ask it the other way if I upgraded then please ;)
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, do you have a wily install with vpn configured? if so does connecting from n-m works for you?
[09:35] <didrocks> seb128: and now I can answer you "no" :)
[09:35] <seb128> :-)
[09:36] <seb128> bug #1297849
[09:36] <seb128> I guess that's my issue
[09:36] <seb128> it was fixed yesterday
[09:36] <seb128> I didn't restart my session since
[09:43] <Laney> ah I went straight to wily on this laptop
[09:46] <Laney> anpok_: do you need a versioned dependency?
[09:47] <Laney> this mir release seems like hard work. :(
[10:39] <seb128> anpok_, anything we can do to help you to get mir unblocked?
[10:40] <seb128> session restart, brb
[10:42] <seb128> yeah, vpn back to working
[10:54] <Laney> yeahhhh, shotwell green again
[10:54] <seb128> :-)
[10:54] <seb128> gnome-photos retry worked as well
[10:59] <seb128> shrug
[10:59] <seb128> qengho, hey, is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-chromium-browser/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ known? autopkgtest from chromium are grumpy again it seems
[11:00] <seb128> that blocks cups gconf and probably others in proposed
[11:06] <anpok_> seb128, Laney: a better way to specify that drivers need to be replaced...
[11:08] <seb128> why do they need to be replaced?
[11:08] <seb128> did some other abi change?
[11:14] <seb128> mvo, hey, do you know if anyone looked a bug #1470655
[11:14] <seb128> how much changed between 0.8 and 1.0?
[11:15] <seb128> hum
[11:15] <seb128> "   * New upstream release: 1.0.0
[11:15] <seb128>      - This release drops support for plugins
[11:15] <seb128>      - Aptcc is now the only viable backend for Debian, other
[11:15] <seb128>        backends have been removed upstream."
[11:25] <seb128> Laney, what's the status of webkit/webkit2? we should keep on using webkit right?
[11:26] <Laney> seb128: yeah, for now in main
[11:28] <seb128> webkit2gtk is not/not going to this cycle right?
[11:28] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zenity/3.16.3-1 is why I'm asking
[11:28] <Laney> doubt it
[11:29] <Laney> probably want to undo that bit
[12:10] <mvo> seb128: yeah, the plugin is the big one, someone *cough* like me *cough* needs to finish  lp:~mvo/click/native-dbus  and then we can get rid of the PK plugin requirement. right now updating to 1.0 would break the click plugin
[12:11] <mvo> seb128: but we don't really need much of PK in click, almost nothing, the native-dbus branch is implementing all thats needed
[12:16] <seb128> mvo, k, I was asking because gnome-software is blocked in proposed since it depends on the new packagekit version
[12:16] <seb128> it's not a big issue for us but eventually we want to update
[12:22] <seb128> bah, gnome-online-account is currently stucked in proposed due to webkit2 as well, bug #1466290
[12:26] <Laney> darkxst has been on that
[12:27] <Laney> ah yes, in that bug
[12:27] <darkxst> seb128, Laney waiting on infinity to review the proposed demotions
[12:27] <seb128> not jdstrand?
[12:27] <seb128> he's the one assigned on the bug
[12:29] <darkxst> seb128, oh oops wasnt actually subscribed to the bug so didnt see that, but infinity did say he was looking into it
[12:30] <darkxst> I can remove the dejadup dep in g-c-c
[12:30] <seb128> it's the other way around
[12:30] <seb128> deja-dup depends on g-c-c to build a panel no?
[12:30] <darkxst> seb128, I want to drop that panel
[12:30] <seb128> is that up to you or mterry (the deja-dup maintainer/upstream)?
[12:31] <darkxst> and hence drop libgnome-control-center, since deja-dup is the only remaining panel and its a pain maintaining the patches that allow for that
[12:31] <seb128> k
[12:32] <darkxst> no idea why there would be a compiz dep though?
[12:33] <seb128> because it integrates with the keybindings
[12:33] <seb128> and it uses the .pc to know the directory where to install the .xml
[12:33] <seb128> iirc
[12:33] <darkxst> can that move to u-c-c?
[12:33] <seb128> yes
[12:33] <seb128> I can have a look to that today
[12:37] <darkxst> ok, I'm tired from a long day so out for the night, I will deal with deja-dup stuff over the weekend
[12:37] <mvo> seb128: yeah, sorry, snappy madness
[12:38] <seb128> darkxst, good night!
[12:46] <darkxst> night!
[12:47] <darkxst> left a comment on the g-o-a bug, now gone!
[12:51] <xnox> Laney: why is evolution so old?
[12:53] <Laney> what kind of a question is that?
[12:53] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-028/+packages
[12:54] <ogra_> xnox, because it was born so early :P
[12:54] <darkxst> xnox, evo is on a 12 month release cycle now, so there was no 3.14
[12:57] <seb128> Laney, do you need help pushing that transition?
[12:57] <seb128> like me to nag some people to do reviews/land changes?
[12:59] <xnox> Laney: ah, so 16 is in the works. I somehow thought 16 bits were all landed now.
[12:59] <xnox> and i had no idea there was no 3.14. thanks darkxst.
[12:59] <Laney> seb128: just need to test and upload it
[12:59] <xnox> it seemed like it's stuck on old series for one reason or another.
[12:59] <seb128> xnox, do you need it for something?
[13:00] <xnox> seb128: yes. it looks like the only client that supports XOAUTH2 authentication =) hence it's looking like i'll be switching to evolution by default.
[13:00] <xnox> and xoauth2 is enforced by google for me =(
[13:05] <xnox> yeap, definately switching to evolution now.
[13:06] <seb128> xnox, good, maybe you can help maintaining the packages then :-)
[13:09] <mdeslaur> xnox: doesn't thunderbird 38 support it also?
[13:10] <mdeslaur> xnox: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2015/06/thunderbird-38-released/
[13:10] <xnox> hah, but their bug tracker is not updated. loads of developers screaming there "we must not let google dictate email standards"
[13:11] <xnox> horum, checking which thungerbird i have.
[13:11] <xnox> i'm on 31 =(
[13:12] <seb128> when did middle click/dnd stop working?
[13:25] <Laney> seb128: what is middle click/dnd?
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, like in nautilus doing an icon dnd with the middle button used to open a menu asking if you want to symlink/copy it
[13:27] <seb128> http://askubuntu.com/questions/23534/is-it-possible-to-drag-files-with-right-click
[13:27] <Laney> oh, never seen that before, but it seems to work
[13:27] <Laney> move here, copy here, link here
[13:28] <seb128> k
[13:28] <Laney> real mouse though
[13:28] <seb128> here I can move the cursor after clicking
[13:28] <seb128> k, it's limited to the trackpad nibble
[13:28] <seb128> works on the touchpad
[13:28] <seb128> grrr
[14:24]  * Laney fixes chromium tests
[14:24] <Laney> qengho: if this works please merge
[14:24] <qengho> Er, okay.
[14:24] <seb128> qengho, did you see my ping about that earlier?
[14:24] <seb128> I didn't see a reply
[14:24] <qengho> seb128: No, I didn't.
[14:25] <seb128> shrug
[14:25] <seb128> qengho, hey, is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-chromium-browser/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ known? autopkgtest from chromium are grumpy again it seems
[14:25] <seb128>  that blocks cups gconf and probably others in proposed
[14:25] <qengho> seb128: I see it in my scrollback, but didn't see a notification.
[14:25] <seb128> but I guess Laney is handling it for you
[14:25] <Laney> I was like oh hey
[14:25] <seb128> Laney_beers++
[14:25] <Laney> it looksl ike a missing dep
[14:25] <Laney> then it wasn't quite just that ... :)
[14:26] <seb128> haha
[14:35] <seb128> qengho, is there any way we could get those tests run before upload to minimize those sort of issues in the futur?
[14:38] <qengho> seb128: of course. I usually do. The last two breaks were some other package without tests. I'm interested to see what this is.
[14:38] <Laney> I didn't investigate why these things changed
[14:38] <Laney> 'convert' is due to not depending on the package which provides it
[14:39] <qengho> seb128: no, actually, there was a problem in the tests last time. That's true.
[14:41] <qengho> Laney: I thought it would be easier to see files from Jenkins, but it's so difficult that I may just remove the screenshot convert'ion one day.
[14:42] <Laney> there's meant to be a way to attach artifacts
[14:44] <qengho> Laney: IIRC, they used to be in the result list, but I haven't seen them in about a year.
[14:53] <Laney> qengho: Ah, you changed the harness to catch more errors but some of them are innocuous
[14:53] <Laney> qengho: I just added a grep -v to filter those out
[16:23] <qengho> Laney: my tests still pass here. What did you grep away in Cr test?
[16:48] <Laney> qengho: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/212478045/chromium-browser_43.0.2357.130-0ubuntu1.1188_43.0.2357.130-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[16:48] <Laney> qengho: Are you running with adt-run?
[16:49] <Laney> adt-run chromium-browser -s -U --apt-pocket=proposed --- qemu ~/temp/reallytemp/adt-wily-amd64-cloud.img
[16:50] <qengho> Laney: Thanks. I'll have Cr 44 in my PPA soon.
[16:50] <Laney> instead of 'chromium-browser' you can give a .dsc or an _amd64.changes there
[16:51] <Laney> the latter to avoid rebuilding if you already have it built
[16:53] <qengho> Laney: thanks. I think that logic is buggy. Pipeline return value is the final item, right? I'll reverse to remove good things first, then test for error.
[17:02] <Laney> qengho: Dunno what you mean, but fix as you wish as long as it works. You probably want '-qs' on the last one too to silence it.
[17:13] <Laney> bye!
[17:15] <willcooke> cya Laney
[17:15]  * willcooke -> EOD too
[17:15] <willcooke> night
[17:18]  * willcooke <- Columbo
[17:19] <willcooke> done
[17:19] <willcooke> so long