[04:37] <jyfn91> Hello?
[04:37] <jyfn91> Can someone help me with a question?
[04:39] <jyfn91> Anyone there?
[04:39] <jyfn91> Hmm.
[04:39] <jyfn91> I have Ubuntu Kylin installed right now, and its running on a lenovo laptop with touchscreen.
[04:39] <jyfn91> I wanted to know if its possible to add the functions on to my current OS?
[04:40] <jyfn91> I did some searching, but I got kind of confused.
[05:29] <jyfn91> Hello, can someone assisst me?
[05:30] <anpok_> jyfn91: the function?
[05:30] <anpok_> do you mean the new unity8 desktop?
[05:30] <jyfn91> I'm trying to get the touch to work on my laptop
[05:30] <jyfn91> I have ubuntu kylin
[05:31] <jyfn91> is that possible?
[05:31] <anpok_> ah thats why you joined #-touch..
[05:32] <nhaines> jyfn91: this channel is for phone and tablet support, not the desktop edition of Ubuntu.
[05:32] <nhaines> !support
[05:32] <nhaines> !zh
[05:32] <nhaines> You might have better luck there, or on AskUbuntu.com  :)
[05:32] <jyfn91> thanks
[05:32] <nhaines> Plus, it's too early here... more people will be around in this channel in two or three hours.  But the other channels are more suited.
[05:32] <jyfn91> quick question, why don't you guys bother with the notepads that are touch screen
[05:32] <jyfn91> is that not on the agenda?
[05:33] <anpok_> it will be addressed..
[05:33] <jyfn91> for the touch interface, I was looking on ubuntu's website, and they don't seem to focus on the desktop version
[05:33] <jyfn91> alright
[05:33] <anpok_> the applications written for tablet and phone have a way better touch support..
[05:33] <nhaines> But work on the phone interface is still continuing and it's slowly being expanded to desktops.
[05:33] <jyfn91> thanks anyways
[05:33] <nhaines> Probably 16.10 will be where it all works out of the box.
[05:33] <jyfn91> oh, very nice
[05:33] <anpok_> jyfn91: if you want to try somethiing, not yet finished for productive use
[05:33] <nhaines> It'll be easier to install and test in 15.10 and 16.04, but that's just how long it takes.  :)
[05:34] <anpok_> .. you coult try the unity8 desktop.. but beware - still in development.
[05:34] <anpok_> *could
[05:34] <jyfn91> thanks for the notice
[06:47] <jrg> is there any word at all about a US release of the newer devices?
[06:48] <jrg> the Meizu looks so nice
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <eschatus> jrg: Order one to someone you know in the EU, then have them send it to you by mail. Worked for me. ;)
[07:50] <jrg> oh?
[07:50] <jrg> they have proper bands?
[07:50] <jrg> i need one that works on tmobile bands here
[08:04] <ogra_> jrg, the maizu can do HSPA+ in the US .... no LTE though
[08:04] <ogra_> *meizu
[08:08] <nhaines> ogra_: now I just need a convergence-ready LTE device to come out in the US.  :)
[08:09] <ogra_> heh
[08:09] <ogra_> i'm sure it will happen at some point :)
[08:09] <nhaines> My Nexus 7 is already almost enough that people are becoming intrigued.  I need to test it some time to see if I could type in it with a Bluetooth keyboard without the screen shutting off.
[08:09] <nhaines> Actually, I'd just be happy with a painted mouse cursor in Mir.  :)
[08:23] <pete-woods> jgdx: morning. you got time to merge trunk into your hotspot-bindings branch following the USS landing yesterday?
[08:23] <jgdx> pete-woods, sure
[08:24] <pete-woods> thanks!
[08:25] <jgdx> pete-woods, 'twas clean. Pushed.
[08:25] <pete-woods> awesomes
[08:30] <nocturn> Hi all.  Can I develop python applications for Ubuntu phone?
[08:36] <nhaines> nocturn: it is not supported, but you can apparently use PySide and package a python interpreter and the other python libraries you need inside your click package.
[08:37] <nocturn> nhaines, that is a shame, I will try pyside
[08:37] <nhaines> nocturn: while I agree on principal, I also agree with the phone developers that having a handful of python interpreters running at once on a phone is probably a bad idea.  :)
[08:40] <nocturn> nhaines, that is true, don't know how much overhead it would be.  Default is QT/QML?
[08:41] <jgdx> nocturn, yup
[08:46] <nocturn> nhaines, and there is no facitly for background processes I read?
[08:47] <nhaines> Not presently.  There's work ongoing for some kind of periodic data handler, but I'm not sure anything other than core apps use it right now.
[08:47]  * RAOF 's Pebble Time should be shipping soon, so I'll probably poke at least at bluetooth backgrounding at some point in the near future :)
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Gorgeous Grandma Day! 😃
[09:04] <jgdx> JamesTait, wut
[09:05] <JamesTait> jgdx, https://youtu.be/g5TVKhjEVtQ
[09:08] <jgdx> JamesTait, aww, that's nice
[09:09] <ulrichard> Are there any plans to allow clipboard paste in the browser? I have been hoping for it with every system upgrade.
[09:10] <popey> yes
[09:13] <r00t_x> hi ;)
[09:13] <r00t_x> guys is there any option to put ubuntu to my samsung galaxy tab 3 ?
[09:14] <popey> I dont think that's a supported device. Someone would need to port it
[09:28] <r00t_x> yhm
[09:28] <r00t_x> ok then ;)
[09:28] <r00t_x> thanks ;)
[09:55] <conyoo> r00t_x https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[10:26] <nocturn> Hi, Can I access files on my ubuntu phone (Meizu, OTA-5)?
[10:26] <nocturn> It does not show in filemanager when I connect USB
[10:27] <popey> is it unlocked?
[10:28] <nocturn> popey, I just found it I think, it need a usb3 port?
[10:28] <nocturn> it works on my usb3 port
[10:28] <popey> shouldn't do. but the meizu can be very picky about ports and cables
[10:30] <nocturn> popey, do you know what the files tab in the notification bar does?
[10:41] <nocturn> Anyone know if Jabber/XMPP will ever happen on Ubuntu Touch, Ticket had been untouched for a year and comment today pretty much say it is abandonned (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1247216)
[11:25] <r00t_x> conyoo: thx ;) but too much work with this ...
[11:25] <boghison> Hello! I have a question/error regarding apparmor. When I try to initiate an XHR, this happens: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11924773/
[11:50] <cwayne1> is there a way to programatically revoke permission to get location from a specific app?
[11:50] <cwayne1> tvoss: ^
[11:51] <tvoss> cwayne1, I don't think so, we leave it to the user to do that. Probably best to check with kenvandine if there would be a way via settings
[11:53] <knuella> i think i have found a bug in the webbrowser-app. Every time when i open the app a "java-warnmeldung" (engl.: warning massage) appears with the following content: "Herzlichen Glückwunsch, Ihr Ubuntu wurde zufällig als das heutige gklückliche mobile gerät ausgewählt! [...] Klicken Sie auf OK [...]" (engl., analogous: "You have won s.th., pleas press the OK!"). Does anyone know this?
[11:58] <knuella> or is this only facebook advertising? Problem is i cant get back to an other side...
[12:04] <TonyBoston> is exchange web services possibly being implemented in ubtuntu touch?
[12:04] <TonyBoston> in future plans
[12:10] <JamesTait> Very weird behaviour from my Nexus 4 the last 18 hours or so. Received an SMS from my dad last night, responded via the notification, he didn't receive it and it's not in my sent messages; got a call from my wife this morning, but the notification showed the caller as the person who sent the last SMS I had open in Messaging, and the recent calls in Dialler show the same even after a reboot.
[12:28] <nocturn> TonyBoston, technically, they can as there is an evolution backend for it
[12:28] <nocturn> Don't think gui integration is anywhere on track though
[12:28] <nocturn> I'm personally waiting for activesync support (which Android and IOS do) to connect with Zarafa
[12:29] <TonyBoston> nocturn okay, yeah active sync would be good too
[12:32] <ogra_> TonyBoston, patches will surely not be rejected though :) the code is out there :)
[12:32] <TonyBoston> ogra_ haha, If I would know how to do it, I'd do it
[12:33] <ogra_> just find someone who and and convince her/him ;)
[12:33] <ogra_> *who can
[12:33] <ogra_> i didnt say yoou need to do it yourself ;)
[12:34] <TonyBoston> okay :)
[13:15] <robin-hero> Hey all! I followed the instructions from the [Call for testing] Wi-Fi Hotspots (Internet tethering) e-mail on mailing list, but can't see the new menu entry in the Cellular data menu.
[13:15] <popey> jgdx: ^
[13:16] <robin-hero> I am on r24 (bq E4.5)
[13:17] <davmor2> robin-hero: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestingProcessesUbuntuPersonal#Silo_Testing follow the bit from pinning the silo
[13:17] <davmor2> robin-hero: it might  be that you didn't actually install it at all
[13:20] <robin-hero> davmor2: Thanks, I1ll try this
[13:22] <robin-hero> phone is rebooting, so excited :D
[13:22] <ogra_> someonbe should really write a warning to such "please test" threads that users need/should re-flash their devices afterwards
[13:23] <ogra_> or at least switch them to readonly manually afterwards
[13:23] <robin-hero> no luck, still no menu entry
[13:23] <jgdx> robin-hero, could you paste the output of apt-cache policy ubuntu-system-settings ?
[13:23] <robin-hero> Reading package lists... Done             + adb shell SUDO_ASKPASS=/tmp/askpass.sh sudo -A apt-get dist-upgrade --yes Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. + adb shell rm -f /tmp/askpass.sh + adb reboot
[13:23] <jgdx> no menu at all means it hasn't been installed, like davmor2 says
[13:24] <robin-hero> jgdx: how can I do that?
[13:24] <robin-hero> oh I got it
[13:25] <kenvandine> Elleo, any more news on the autopilot issue?
[13:25] <kenvandine> Elleo, if i remove the tests for the phone and security panels, i don't seem to get those keyboard issues
[13:25] <kenvandine> both of those panels include number pads
[13:26] <kenvandine> number layout rather
[13:28] <robin-hero> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11925219/
[13:29] <Elleo> kenvandine: interesting, I'm just running again now with the autopilot fix package reinstalled to generate some errors to upload
[13:29] <Elleo> kenvandine: the tests runs I did without it all passed (except one where unity crashed)
[13:29] <jgdx> robin-hero, in my last email in the call for testing thread you'll find instructions.
[13:30] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok, yeah i got 2 full runs 100% with those 2 sets of tests moved out of the way
[13:30] <kenvandine> 107 passed :)
[13:30] <Elleo> kenvandine: cool, that should help narrow things down then
[13:30] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Could you please take a look at https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/c/374/
[13:30] <kenvandine> and i think the difference in those panels is the number only layout
[13:31] <kenvandine> Elleo, call forwarding and PIN setting
[13:31] <Elleo> jgdx: I tried installing the wifi hotspot silo on my arale, but I don't see anything in the Mobile panel?
[13:31] <jgdx> Elleo, _nothing_ new?
[13:32] <Elleo> kenvandine: right, once this test run has finished I'll see if any of the errors we get on the keyboard tests are on layout change tesets
[13:32] <Elleo> kenvandine: did it actually happen on those tests, or on tests after those?
[13:32] <jgdx> Elleo, up the priority on the silo could work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestingProcessesUbuntuPersonal#Silo_Testing
[13:32] <Elleo> jgdx: nope, nothing
[13:32] <kenvandine> i think after those tests
[13:32] <Elleo> kenvandine: ah, okay
[13:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, did you see my comment about bumping that sleep up to 1 second fixed the focus issue?
[13:33] <Elleo> jgdx: okay, will give that a try
[13:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm guessing in normal use 0.5 is enough, but sometimes under testing it isn't
[13:33] <jgdx> kenvandine, not yet
[13:33] <kenvandine> look at my query from last night :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> at least it seemed to fix it, i had several full passes with that fix :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> without needing to touch the dialog during autopilot testing :-p
[13:34]  * jgdx looks frantically at all channels, all windows
[13:35] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yes, thanks for submitting that!
[13:35] <popey> cwayne1: bug 1476501 for you perhaps?
[13:36] <popey> (in today scope)
[13:37] <cwayne1> nope, we just take whatever EDS gives us
[13:38] <seb128> mardy, hey, are you around to discuss https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-plugins/lp1432613/+merge/256629 ?
[13:38] <robin-hero> jgdx: davmor2: I am a dumbass, I made the silo.pref file on my laptop, not my phone :D Now it works :D Just started testing
[13:39] <davmor2> robin-hero: \0/
[13:39] <jgdx> robin-hero, nays!
[13:40] <Elleo> jgdx: nothing to upgrade
[13:40] <jgdx> Elleo, how'd you install the silo?
[13:41] <Elleo> jgdx: the citrain tool
[13:41] <jgdx> Elleo, manually then: sudo apt-get install {indicator-network,qml-module-ubuntu-connectivity,libconnectivity-qt1}=0.5.2+15.04.20150722-0ubuntu1 {ubuntu-system-settings,libsystemsettings1}=0.3+15.04.20150722-0ubuntu1
[13:42] <Elleo> right, those are being upgraded now
[13:43] <Elleo> jgdx: restarted, but still nothing new on the mobile panel :/
[13:44] <jgdx> Elleo, you don't even see "Foo bar is disabled because baz?"
[13:44] <Elleo> hmm, interestingly it actually only updated some of those packages
[13:45] <Elleo> didn't update ubuntu system settings or libsystemsettings, only the other three
[13:46] <robin-hero> jgdx: It works very well. :)
[13:46] <Elleo> just claims they're already the newest version, despite being 20150413 instead of 20150722
[13:46] <jgdx> Elleo, uuh what
[13:47] <jgdx> robin-hero, awesome :)
[13:47] <Elleo> jgdx: wrong version, just looked at the ppa it's 20150723 now
[13:47] <Elleo> jgdx: so those are updating now
[13:47] <jgdx> Elleo, right
[13:52] <mardy> seb128: yep, what about it?
[13:52] <Elleo> jgdx: awesome, works now; connecting to this via my phone right now \o/
[13:53] <seb128> mardy, why did you keep the account-plugin-windows-live deb?
[13:53] <seb128> mardy, is windows-live.provider or login.live.com.conf still useful?
[13:53] <jgdx> Elleo, \o/ \o/
[13:54] <Elleo> jgdx: based on what you said yesterday, I'm guessing the arale acts as a sort of wifi repeater if you're already connected to a wifi network (instead of sharing its cellular connection)?
[13:54] <Elleo> jgdx: as I'm getting very high speeds on speedtest.net when connecting through it, but it only shows Edge being available for cellular data
[13:54] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah, and looking at nmcli d/c reinforces this, unless I'm misunderstanding something
[13:55] <Elleo> jgdx: okay, that's a pretty cool feature really, although it'd be nice if we could make it clear somehow that's what's happening
[13:55] <Elleo> I can think of a few places it'd be handy to be able to instantly turn my phone into a repeater and extend a wifi signal
[13:56] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah, I'll create a bug for that as well as the "n connected clients" bit. They need design++
[13:56] <Elleo> maybe have two modes or something "Hotspot" which disconnects from any existing wifi and just uses cell data and "Wifi Repeater" that requires an existing wifi connection?
[13:56] <Elleo> as that's a pretty cool extra to be able to highlight and show off
[14:02] <mardy> seb128: there was some reason, let me see if I can remember
[14:03] <seb128> mardy, the package is blocked in wily-proposed because you made oauth conflicts on -windows or -windows depends on oauth, which makes it uninstallable, which block the migration script since it's a regression
[14:03] <seb128> mardy, so either we need to drop the binary, or the conflict, or make -windows not depends on -oauth
[14:03] <seb128> mardy, unsure which one is right though
[14:05] <mardy> seb128: IIRC, we added the Conflicts because we wanted to get the binary uninstalled
[14:05] <seb128> mardy, why not deleting it then?
[14:06] <seb128> in addition
[14:06] <seb128> what's the point to keep an uninstallable binary
[14:06] <mardy> seb128: I was advised to do it this way, I don't remember by whom
[14:07] <mardy> seb128: I guess because we also wanted the binary to get removed from users' machines
[14:07] <mardy> and not just from the archive
[14:07] <seb128> mardy, so it could be removed, the windows-live.provider and login.live.com.conf are not useful?
[14:07] <mardy> seb128: no, at the moment they are useless
[14:08] <mardy> seb128: please suggest a solution, I have no reason to defend the current state
[14:11] <seb128> mardy, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/account-plugins/delete-windows-binary/+merge/265668
[14:11] <mardy> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11925373/
[14:12] <mardy> seb128: maybe you want to double-check with Laney
[14:13] <jgdx> Elleo, given that we're actually repeating, yeah :)
[14:13] <seb128> mardy, "12:39 < Laney> mardy: what about removing the packages" from that lo
[14:13] <seb128> log
[14:14] <seb128> mardy, I think the mp I just did should work (ideally you would delete the code bits from the upstream source as well, but that doesn't need to be done today)
[14:14] <Laney> hi
[14:14] <Laney> seems sensible
[14:24] <mardy> seb128: thanks, approved! Will you take care of landing that yourself?
[14:24] <seb128> mardy, yes, thanks
[14:25] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[14:52] <tathhu> ogra_: pong
[14:53] <antimion_> hello
[14:53] <ogra_> tathhu, pong ? did i ping ?
[14:54] <ProstheticS> Hey guys, i have a few videos stored on my phone, if i go through the file browser, it doesnt launch media player, it launches gallery, which then launches media player ,is there a trick to getting this to be launchable from the file browser, or just not possible at the moment?
[14:54] <antimion_> can you help me in one question, i found many information about installation ubuntu touch on meizu mx4, but nothing about meizu mx3. but i saw many wideos with mx3+ubuntu
[14:55] <tathhu> ogra_: i just did. :D what logs I should collect when (just did) my ui freezes? (if they're there after a reboot :()
[14:55] <ogra_> tathhu, look in /var/crash
[15:34] <zumbi> hello - are there any plans to move to bluez5 in vivid cycle?
[15:34] <zumbi> err.. wily
[15:55] <pmcgowan> zumbi, plan is being worked on, hopefully yes
[15:57] <zumbi> pmcgowan: thanks - do you happen to know a list of pending issues to migrate?
[15:58] <pmcgowan> I think thats the first step to revisit that, real work starting next week afaik
[16:01] <pmcgowan> zumbi, seems there is work for kernel, pulse, ofono among others
[16:03] <zumbi> oh! nice.. then I'll wait for next week :)
[16:45] <JonathanFerguson> Can someone confirm that my starting point for an Asus Nexus 7 'flo' is correct?	http://s23.postimg.org/8lvy4s5nv/20150724_001.jpg
[16:55] <davmor2> JonathanFerguson: Sorry how do you mean starting point?
[16:57] <JonathanFerguson> davmor2, Are the values for "SIGNING - yes" and "SECURE BOOT - enabled" correct?
[17:00] <davmor2> JonathanFerguson: Yes
[17:01] <JonathanFerguson> davmor2, I am trying to determine where I went wrong, and ended-up with http://s7.postimg.org/d64zjinkr/P1270959.jpg
[17:02] <davmor2> JonathanFerguson: No idea on that, It might be that the version of android you were running is too new maybe
[17:06] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: did you start with android 5 on your device?
[17:09] <JonathanFerguson> dobey, I do not believe so.  I still have the original bootloader 'FLO-04.02'.  When I tried going back to Android, only 4.4.2 and 4.4.4 would be allowed using the -w switch. (Didn't bother trying 4.4.3)
[17:11] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: are you trying to dual boot, or just have ubuntu on it?
[17:11] <JonathanFerguson> I wish for only Ubuntu
[17:13] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: my first suggestion to try, would be to flash android 4.4.4 back on the device, boot completely to the android welcome wizard, then reboot to the bootloader, and then use ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[17:13] <dobey> specific order of options for u-d-f might be slightly different to that though
[17:16] <JonathanFerguson> dobey, the problem is that I have already tried reinstalling Andoid 4.4.4, but the result was Android with an open padlock.
[17:17] <kalikiana> woot, just found out there's a way to open other email folders in dekko by tapping/ clicking the second account-name-here label of the current account
[17:17] <dobey> you mean the open padlock at the bottom of the boot screen with "Google" in white?
[17:17] <JonathanFerguson> dobey, yes
[17:18] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: yes, that's fine. that just means you've unlocked teh bootloader, which you must do to flash ubuntu
[17:18] <dobey> my nexus phones have the same since the day i got them :)
[17:18] <JonathanFerguson> dobey, I waited for it for hours, and nothing
[17:22] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: you mean it is stuck on the boot screen?
[17:23] <JonathanFerguson> dobey, yes it remained like that
[17:25] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: ok, i'd suggest rebooting to the bootloader and then trying to flash android again
[17:26] <dobey> not sure what's wrong though. could be anything, but seems like it didn't flash correctly that time
[17:26] <JonathanFerguson> dabey, thanks, I will have to give it another whirl
[17:46] <SturmFlut> JamesTait: I sometimes get an Error 404 while requesting the details of an app via the app store API. It happens at random and very infrequently, couldn't yet figure out what URL exactly causes the problem, but I only access URLs returned in the ['_links']['self']['href'] field of every store entry returned by https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?size=10000&page=1
[17:46] <SturmFlut> JamesTait: The last failed request was 15 minutes ago, I can tell you the client IP address in private if it helps
[18:07] <DanChapman> kalikiana: yeah it's not very obvious that's what second "Account name" will do. I plan to bring that up with JMullholand and see if we can make it clearer somehow.
[18:18] <kalikiana> DanChapman: and also because seemingly it already supports some folders but not others... but I commented on the bug. I'll be patient now that I at least can get to it
[18:45] <mcphail> Hmm - the new rotation feature breaks cut-the-rope
[19:08] <kenvandine> mzanetti, speaking of rotation, i noticed 211 doesn't deal well with rotation
[19:08]  * kenvandine loves that game
[19:16] <mzanetti> kenvandine, oh, thanks! Will fix
[19:16] <mzanetti> kenvandine, looks like you're the only one playing it tho, according to download stats :D
[19:16] <kenvandine> mzanetti, thx, it's one of my favorite games :)
[19:16] <mzanetti> :)
[19:17] <mzanetti> kenvandine, hey, have something for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/contenthubtest
[19:17] <mzanetti> kenvandine, it's not polished yet, but I've been using it to test my stuff for a while now
[19:18] <kenvandine> mzanetti, cool!
[19:18] <kenvandine> i've been meaning to polish up my test apps and combine them into one, and submit it to the store
[19:18] <mzanetti> same here :)
[19:18] <kenvandine> to make it easier for testing
[19:19] <mzanetti> yeah, it's hard to find counterparts for some things
[19:19] <kenvandine> your's is probably cleaner than mine :)
[19:19] <mzanetti> especially when it comes to handling multiple files at once etc
[19:19] <kenvandine> right
[19:20] <kenvandine> this looks much more generic than mine
[19:20] <kenvandine> mzanetti, awesome!
[19:20] <mzanetti> yeah... tries to be as generic as possible. you can select which type, the amount and for some things also the content
[19:56] <carif> when i install a package, say 'guix package --install emacs' are the actions logged somewhere?
[20:12] <eschatus> I've enabled openvpn on my BQ and it works great, except routes pushed from the server are ignored. If I enter them manually with "ip route add" it works great. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[20:13] <eschatus> DNS settings are set properly, so it seems like just the routes are missing.
[21:17] <mzanetti> kenvandine, update time
[22:09] <wulfensteyn> hi all
[22:13] <popey> hello