[05:59] <Kilos> morning all
[06:03] <Kilos> Akiva  hi
[06:04] <Kilos> soon you must talk to us please
[06:16] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:23]  * mazal peeks in quickly
[06:23] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:23] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:25] <mazal> How goes ?
[06:25] <Kilos> goog ty and you?
[06:25] <mazal> okish thanx
[06:27] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:27] <mazal> morning inetpro
[06:27]  * Kilos waves to inetpro
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> hallo ainetpro
[06:29] <Kilos> rofl
[06:51] <Kilos> you will have to do that when logged in as the bot
[07:42] <pieter2627> hi all
[07:42] <Kilos> hi pitie
[07:42] <Kilos> pietie
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[08:03] <Cryterion> Morning
[08:58] <qwebirc21288> Morning ppl, May anyone help with Ubuntu clothing supplyer in South Africa
[08:58] <Kilos> hi qwebirc21288 
[10:14] <inetpro> is there a command to convert a MAC address from one format to another?
[10:14] <inetpro> eg: convert from 01:23:45:67:89:AB to 0123.4567.89ab
[10:16] <inetpro> the command I use at the moment is a bit long but works well
[10:16] <inetpro> echo 01:23:45:67:89:AB | sed -e 's/://1;s/://2;s/://3;s/:/./g' | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]'
[10:16] <Kilos> i suppose you have used your friend but i found this http://linuxconfig.org/change-mac-address-with-macchanger-linux-command
[10:18] <inetpro> haha... I used my friend google but didn't find what I was looking for 
[10:18] <Kilos> you always ask such difficult questions
[10:19] <Kilos> must it be from mac  to mac or can it be from ip to mac
[10:19] <Kilos> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120153/resolving-mac-address-from-ip-address-in-linux
[10:21] <inetpro> just mac to mac
[10:22] <Kilos> stickyboy  dont just lurk man
[10:22] <inetpro> networking equipment uses three groups of four hexadecimal digits separated by dots
[10:23] <inetpro> The standard (IEEE 802) format for printing MAC-48 addresses in human-friendly form is six groups of two hexadecimal digits, separated by hyphens (-) or colons (:)
[10:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:24] <Kilos> the glue boy thinks because he was sick for a few days he can just lurk for a month
[10:24] <Kilos> MaNI  gooi ideas 
[10:25] <inetpro> anyway, there's no rush... just thought someone might have an answer to that
[10:27] <stickyboy> Kilos: Sorry. :)
[10:27] <stickyboy> Would it be better if I leave? ;)
[10:27] <mazal> ugh , that was fun
[10:28] <Kilos> nono man
[10:28] <stickyboy> I'm listening to the lovely http://rain.today/
[10:28]  * mazal returned from finance meeting
[10:28] <Kilos> im teasing but thought you might know
[10:28] <stickyboy> And being very productive in iptables. :P
[10:29] <Kilos> i dont often get to help the pro so have to drag you clever guys into the fray
[10:30] <MaNI> theres probably some way to do it with xxd
[10:30] <MaNI> actually nevermind
[10:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:30] <MaNI> sed is probably best
[10:30]  * MaNI shrugs
[10:31] <stickyboy> sed probably best hehe
[10:32] <MaNI> though at a glance he was changing the base not just moving colons around
[11:34] <mazal> hmm.....my pc hasen't done any updates this week. That's not normal
[11:34] <Kilos> lol
[11:34] <mazal> I just realized it's Thursday already and haven't seen updates
[11:34] <mazal> Usually it runs Tuesdays
[11:35] <mazal> Wonder what broke now
[11:36] <mazal> Settings is still ok.......
[11:38] <Kilos> run apt-get update and see
[11:39] <Kilos> then apt-get upgrade will tell you what is missing
[11:39] <mazal> Did now , and no update notification ???
[11:39] <mazal> Can it be that there was no updates , impossible
[11:39] <Kilos> then you up to date
[11:40] <mazal> upgrade finds 8 updates
[11:40] <mazal> So my kde's update notifier is broken
[11:41] <Kilos> you always said you were good at breaking things
[11:42] <mazal> It wasn't me
[11:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:42] <mazal> This time I'm innocent
[11:42] <mazal> Didn't do anything notifier related
[11:42] <Kilos> look around for the culprit
[11:43] <Kilos> or look in a mirror to find him
[11:43] <Kilos> i havent been able to break 14.04 kde yet
[11:43] <mazal> This is a bit of an annoyence as I will not know if there is updates unless I manually check
[11:44] <mazal> Oom where do you check your auto-update settings on yours ?
[11:44] <Kilos> run sudo touch /forcefsck and on reboot it will fix it for you
[11:44] <Kilos> i turn mine off so i can update when data allows
[11:45] <mazal> Ok where do you check your repos then 
[11:45] <Kilos> check in what way
[11:45] <mazal> What repos you are using
[11:45] <Kilos> i use neology
[11:45] <mazal> The auto-updates is in the same place
[11:45] <mazal> Ya but what app do you open to check yours
[11:46] <Kilos> i use cli when i do update upgrade
[11:46] <mazal> Not to update , to check what repo you are using
[11:46] <Kilos> but i use aptitude
[11:47] <Kilos> oh i do that in synaptic
[11:47] <Kilos> i prefer synaptic to update manager
[11:47] <mazal> Do you maybe know what is KDE's default app for that ?
[11:49] <Kilos> update manager
[11:49] <mazal> That 'Muon' one ?
[11:49] <Kilos> ya
[11:50] <mazal> I want to check something that doesn't look right in synaptic
[11:50] <mazal> The option for show normal update sis completely grayed out and I can't enable it
[11:50] <mazal> So want to check if it is the same in default update manager
[11:52] <Kilos> tell it reload
[11:53] <mazal> See there it happened again now that upgrade did not update the kernels
[11:53] <Kilos> it only lights up if there are updates
[11:53] <mazal> Did upgrade now , but the kernel updates isn't done
[11:53] <mazal> sudo apt-get upgrade never updates my kernels
[11:54] <Kilos> in synaptic you tick upgrade or something and it does them all for you
[11:54] <Kilos> aptitude does kernels
[11:54] <Kilos> apt-get leaves them for muon to do
[11:55] <mazal> But got sidetracked now. There was 8 updates and kernels updates , yet system notification showed nothing ?
[11:55] <mazal> Something is up with my notifier
[12:32] <mazal> Bye for now all
[17:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:25] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:48] <Kilos> Akiva  ping
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:00] <kulelu88> who here builds compilers?
[20:01] <inetpro> hi kulelu88
[20:02] <inetpro> what are you looking for in more details?
[20:02] <kulelu88> I am trying to understand more about LLVM 
[20:04] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:08] <inetpro> can't say I've seen anyone here even talking about it
[20:08] <kulelu88> LLVM is fascinating
[20:09] <inetpro> looks interesting
[20:09] <MaNI> I only use them not build them :p
[20:10] <inetpro> kulelu88: you are talking about http://llvm.org/ ?
[20:12] <kulelu88> yep, same 1
[20:15] <inetpro> some readings for another day... time to go sleep
[20:15] <inetpro> good night
[20:17] <kulelu88> MaNI: who is your ISP?
[20:17] <MaNI> afrihost
[20:18] <kulelu88> have you noticed quality of their service go down? I'm with axxess and things have gotten shit with them lately
[20:19] <MaNI> it does feel like it
[20:19] <MaNI> though recently we complained and they moved out account or something
[20:20] <MaNI> "Please test out the new network we are moving to and let us know if you still experience any issues on this network." - for whatever thats worth
[20:20] <MaNI> subjectively since the MTN merger they have been worse though 
[20:20] <kulelu88> I noticed that my speeds fluctuate and even though my usage has remained constant, their quality has gone down gradually
[20:21] <kulelu88> yeah I'm thinking MTNs shit network is the issue
[20:21] <kulelu88> it's congested, possibly
[20:22] <MaNI> or MTN are just more stingy
[20:24] <MaNI> we had similar problems with mweb before we switched to afrihost, just lots of throttling and whatnot
[20:24] <kulelu88> there are no other alternatives
[20:24] <kulelu88> each of the other companies sound just as shit as mweb
[20:25] <MaNI> not sure where to head next
[20:25] <kulelu88> well whoever owned afrihost and axxess has sold their shares and probably moved to London, cause that's where they will get real broadband
[20:26] <kulelu88> Crystal Web? I'm tempted by them
[20:27] <MaNI> its somewhat depressing that my cloudatcost server that cost me a once off fee of a few hundred rand, has more bandwidth than I will ever see here, sort of puts it in perspective
[20:28] <MaNI> should have bought in a complex rather then I could have fiber
[20:29] <kulelu88> cloudatcost? I must check this out
[20:30] <MaNI> low budget hosting
[20:30] <MaNI> wouldn't recommend them for anything serious, but as a basic internet machine to play around with its okay
[21:06] <kulelu88> aah I know this. I've seen it before
[21:08] <kulelu88> yeah they're definitely using Xen or some other terrible option for resource-sharing 
[21:17] <MaNI> the network is the only thing that remotely matches whats promised, but anyway :p
[21:21] <kulelu88> what are the real specs you get? MaNI 
[21:22] <MaNI> the main problem is the disk IO
[21:24] <kulelu88> it says SSD, I'm guessing it should be quick
[21:24] <MaNI> disk IO crawls - like  Timing cached reads:   1260 MB in  2.00 seconds = 630.16 MB/sec
[21:24] <MaNI>  Timing buffered disk reads:   6 MB in  6.72 seconds = 914.69 kB/sec
[21:24] <MaNI> ;)
[21:24] <MaNI> I actually put in a complaint recently will see what comes of it
[21:25] <kulelu88> I don't mind buying it if it is a lifetime for $35
[21:25] <Private_User> hmm...
[21:25] <Private_User> evening people
[21:25] <kulelu88> I could use it for random shit
[21:25] <kulelu88> random scripts
[21:25] <kulelu88> random testing
[21:26] <Private_User> MaNI: just checked the site you spoke about cloudatcost.com and found this site http://www.cloudatacost.com/mystory where some person setup a sit complaining about them
[21:26] <Private_User> *site
[21:26] <Private_User> whats been your experience?
[21:34] <Private_User> kulelu88: I have read you also been experiencing connectivity issues with your ISP?
[21:35] <Private_User> I wondering if its an issue with all cause as of late my connectivity has been very unstable more especially during the day yet previously I have had no real issues
[21:37] <MaNI> complain and see if they also move you to a special 'test' network
[21:38] <Private_User> lol
[21:38] <kulelu88> yeah my connection is not that great anymore.
[21:39] <kulelu88> Axxess have been doing a network migration for over a month now. I'm guessing they're importing the metal from China via our mines and building their own equipment
[21:42] <Private_User> last time I complained they said there was an outage went on for more than a week then when the outage was according to them resolved, still I had an issue but to me it seemed like they were throttling me and when I queried if they were the person on the other end is like no if we were you would have no access which told me that the person who is supposedly a support person did not understand the meaning of being throttled th
[21:44] <Private_User> now the same issue is occurring although there was a message I received a while back stating they upgrading their network
[21:44] <Private_User> not sure if that is the issue or its just too many people have now joined
[21:44] <Private_User> cause after 00:00 it seems to be fine
[21:45] <Private_User> well so far touch wood ;)
[21:45] <Private_User> hehe
[21:45] <kulelu88> I think I am being permanently throttled on IRC though. Barely getting up to 25kbs now
[21:45] <kulelu88> cost-cutting probably. 
[21:45] <kulelu88> shit not IRC
[21:45] <kulelu88> P2P
[21:46] <kulelu88> 22 days remaining for my download 
[21:46] <Private_User> do you have uncapped kulelu88 ?
[21:46] <kulelu88> joy
[21:46] <kulelu88> yep
[21:46] <Private_User> I think they are throttling you
[21:47] <Private_User> probably related to this FUP aka Fair Usage Policy
[21:47] <kulelu88> it goes hand in hand with their new T&C that was implemented on 1 July
[21:47] <kulelu88> yep that's it
[21:47] <Private_User> that sucks I think
[21:47] <kulelu88> fek, I don't ever go over a certain limit
[21:47] <kulelu88> but its fine. I'll find another provider by September
[21:47] <Private_User> why even offer uncapped if its not completely uncapped
[21:48] <Private_User> I want a service provider that is uncapped and unshaped
[21:48] <kulelu88> on the 1 end, parkhurst gets fibre, while the rest of us are getting shafted for every penny
[21:48] <Private_User> otherwise if its shaped then no point in uncapped I think
[21:49] <Private_User> yeah I agree kulelu88 we all getting the raw end of the deal
[21:49] <Private_User> hehe
[21:49] <kulelu88> oh well, there is Australia
[21:49] <kulelu88> :'D
[21:49] <Private_User> LOL
[21:50] <kulelu88> probably not for me, krikey mate. gday mate
[21:50] <Private_User> anybody here know how to combine multiple ISPs connectivity into one connection so one can get like a superfast connection?
[21:51] <Private_User> if maybe we can take the cheapest of all the uncapped broadband subscribe to them then use some sort of setup whereby we can combine them and it would be like one huge connection?
[21:52] <Private_User> just wondering if anybody here is doing that?
[21:52] <kulelu88> it's not possible Private_User . You are limited to what the copper can push through
[21:53] <kulelu88> the exchange is another limiting point
[21:53] <kulelu88> I guess buying a house in cape town or parkhurst is the only option
[21:53] <Private_User> yeah but what if I had like a 10Mbs line but subscribe to many ISP offering 512Kbs speed and combine them to get a 10Mbs connection
[21:54] <Private_User> then the cost might be cheaper then just subscribing to one provider for 10Mbs connection
[21:54] <Private_User> just a thought
[21:56] <kulelu88> I don't think it would be cheaper. that is 20 connections you'd need
[21:58] <Private_User> I wonder how hackers do it like in the movies you see them have one huge satellite at their house and have super quick speeds hacking away, wonder if there is a way for one to get access like that or if its even legally possible or does one need to be a hacker hacking and piggy backing of somebody else satellite
[21:59] <Private_User> hmm... maybe I watch too many movies
[21:59] <Private_User> LOL
[22:00] <kulelu88> if you're a hacker, you almost never want to be hacking on the same line that your mom paid for with her credit card in your basement
[22:01] <kulelu88> you start simple by using the neighbours wifi for torrents
[22:01] <Private_User> lol
[22:01] <Private_User> I wish I was sometimes
[22:01] <kulelu88> how old are you?
[22:02] <Private_User> old enough... hehe
[22:02] <Private_User> why do you ask?
[22:03] <kulelu88> you seem like a young guy (or girl, if those exist)
[22:04] <Private_User> I am young well depends on your definition of young
[22:04] <Private_User> hehe
[22:05] <kulelu88> are you over 18?
[22:05] <Private_User> lol
[22:06] <kulelu88> aah not yet
[22:06] <Private_User> do I sound like a kid?
[22:06] <kulelu88> yeah
[22:06] <kulelu88> sort of
[22:06] <Private_User> lol
[22:06] <Private_User> nice
[22:06] <Private_User> I am young at heart
[22:06] <Private_User> hehe
[22:06] <kulelu88> maybe you're a gurrllll
[22:06] <Private_User> nope not a gurrlll
[22:07] <kulelu88> people on IRC are considered to be deprived of female affection
[22:07] <Private_User> so do not get any ideas
[22:07] <Private_User> lol
[22:07] <Private_User> kulelu88: so I am guessing you speaking from experience
[22:07] <Private_User> hahaha
[22:08] <kulelu88> yes yes, of course I am. 
[22:08] <Private_User> LOL
[22:08] <kulelu88> if you're under 18, you must be literally "LOL"ing
[22:08] <Private_User> LOL
[22:08] <Private_User> nope dude I am not under 18
[22:09] <kulelu88> as a wise old man once told/asked me (I can't recall), has your balls touched your brief yet? 
[22:10] <Private_User> question is how old are you dude?
[22:10] <kulelu88> yeah I'm being shaped for sure. 7 peers and 5kbs speed
[22:10] <Private_User> eish
[22:10] <kulelu88> I could be 52 or 12, you need to decide
[22:11] <Private_User> and its after 00:00 I would have thought that after 00:00 they would not be throttling
[22:11] <Private_User> thats what most ISP advertise that between 00:00 and 06:00 they do not
[22:11] <kulelu88> the twats probably forgot to unswitch the switch
[22:11] <Private_User> lol
[22:12] <kulelu88> they know that most people don't use P2P, but they don't realize that mass downloading can still be done via HTTP
[22:13] <Private_User> but to be honest downloading is why people want uncapped
[22:13] <Private_User> so I do not understand why offer it if you gonna shape it
[22:13] <kulelu88> not so much. Most folks are happy with their youtube these days
[22:14] <kulelu88> where do you live? Private_User 
[22:14] <Private_User> KZN
[22:14] <kulelu88> lucky guy
[22:15] <Private_User> you?
[22:15] <kulelu88> GP
[22:16] <Private_User> ah ok then you are luckier cause many areas there actually have fibre and LTE where I am on a farm no LTE or Fibre, hek telkom do not wanna even install a line here cause of cable theft
[22:17] <kulelu88> do you live 5 minutes from a decent surf?
[22:20] <Private_User> yep
[22:20] <kulelu88> fek the internet then man. 
[22:20] <Private_User> lol
[22:20] <kulelu88> that's life right there
[22:21] <kulelu88> you afrikaaner?
[22:21] <Private_User> I agree hence my reason for living here many have told me to move back to GP but I ask myself why would I wanna do that if I have a choice
[22:25] <kulelu88> which dorpie you in? I'm guessing Ballito or some small surf-town