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ochosibluesabre: hey, what's the status of our artwork update? still stuck? also, a gentle reminder for releasing xfpanel-switch ;) and who should be poked for finalizing your ubiquity patch?05:27
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bluesabreochosi: artwork: still stuck I believe, panel-switch: will get to it soon (on holiday now), ubiquity: the code is in trunk, so if they ever release, then we get it09:41
bluesabremicahg: any news on the xubuntu-artwork package or packageset? :)09:42
Unit193Crap.09:46
bluesabreEw.09:48
knomepleia2, you have this work item "Get first batch of flyers printed" - is that on a commercial printer or at home?11:33
knomehttp://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/11:38
pleia2knome: I think I can't do it on my own printer, since alignment or something, so the intent was going with vistaprint.com16:49
knomepleia2, that's why i'm asking - there are ways to fix the alignment, and i have to do that anyway...16:53
knomestupid ssh conf :(16:53
pleia2ok, well intend is vistaprint anyway :)16:57
knomeok, then nothing16:57
pleia2nothing?16:57
knomei mean, if the work item is for vistaprint... then i have nothing more to ask :)16:58
knomeexcept maybe that do you need something?16:58
pleia2oh, gotcha16:58
pleia2nah, I'll ask the team for $$ reimbursement once I have a final price16:58
knomeyeah16:58
knomeand you have the PDFs and all?16:58
pleia2vistaprint has sales often, so I need to find the sweet spot of when I have time + good sale ;)16:58
knomehaha16:58
pleia2aiming for september16:59
pleia2I probably do need the pdfs, or instructions for building16:59
knomeok16:59
knomei'll document it all today17:01
knomeor tomorrow17:01
knomeor sth17:01
sorinellohello knome. How's life ?17:13
knomesteady17:13
sorinellowhat are you working on these days ? asking about xubuntu17:14
knomeit would be best to look at the IRC channel backlog tbh17:14
sorinellook17:15
knomesorinello, are you planning to get involved?17:38
sorinelloknome, to get involved in xubuntu ?17:39
knomeyes17:41
sorinellowell I'd like to, but my C level is almost 0, and I don't yet understand the echosystem, packages,versions, stuff like that17:41
knomeyou don't need to understand pretty much anything what you mentioned to help17:42
knomethere are a lot of non-programming tasks to do17:43
sorinellomy background is mostly in Automated Testing, and as a language I work with Java, so I don't think that any of my skills could be useful17:43
knomesee above ^17:43
knomei think the "i don't think i have the skills to be useful" is a wrong way to approach17:44
sorinellowell I've tried "getting in" from several angles, none of them seemed to be very productive. But I'm sure that's because I haven't tried hardenough17:44
knomewhat ELSE than programming are you interested in?17:45
sorinellois there a xubuntu wiki where I can read around stuff to understand better the flows ?17:45
flocculantsorinello: so you say you've got background in Auto Testing - maybe you could lend a hand with testing, we don't have automated testing - and it's unlikely at the moment that we will in the near future17:47
knomesorinello, what kind of flows are you talking about?17:48
sorinellowell naturally I'd say testing, but testing an OS is different than testing a web application or DB testing. First I'd need to understand how Linux works :)17:48
flocculantwell ... 17:49
sorinelloknome, flows like the product lifecycle, how xubuntu is built, external dependencies integrated, etc17:49
knome(wrong!)17:49
flocculantyou don't actually need to know how linux works to help with testing17:49
knomesorinello, you don't need to understand that to help with xubuntu really17:49
flocculantyou just need to be able to read17:49
sorinelloalso, triaging requires knowledge of the porjects, modules, where this bug goes to, etc. Cos if I start triaging wrong, then I'd only create mess17:50
knomesorinello, there's a beginning to everything - you seem to think that everybody expects you to be an expert on a subject if you start working with it - wrong17:51
pleia2sorinello: also, that's why we're here :) I ask questions about where to submit bugs, etc all the time while testing things17:55
pleia2sorinello: so I'd totally encourage you to check out our testing stuff at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ (click on Wily Daily, then look for the Xubuntu images) and then just ask here if you have questions17:56
pleia2I'll even ask questions like "is this supposed to work this way?" and "what features should I be testing today?" along with where to report bugs, like what pachage I should submit to if the icons look funny17:56
pleia2but we absolutely need more testers, this cycle we're really struggling17:57
knomeyes please, there are no stupid questions - except those that aren't asked...17:57
pleia2sorinello: given your background, it's also worth mentioning, that Ubuntu has a functional testing tool called autopilot for automated testing, we've never had a ton of luck with it but it's been a couple years since we've looked so it may be interesting to you to look at it :)17:58
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autopilot17:59
knomethere are people who have investigated automated testing here too17:59
knomelike dkessel17:59
pleia2more eyes always help17:59
* pleia2 back2work18:00
knomehf18:00
sorinellothanks guys for the support. I'll take a look at the links you gave me18:03
knomeno problem, and don't hesitate to ask for help.18:03
pleia2where should we move this to? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/147586519:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1475865 in Xubuntu Website "system language setting goes wrong after installing system" [Undecided,New]19:00
knomeubiquity?19:01
pleia2perhaps!19:10
flocculantdon't think so - not sure where though19:10
flocculantappears that it the installing works 19:10
flocculantjust obviously not Xubuntu website :)19:11
flocculantgiven the op has dupe bugs for the same thing - I'd just mark the website one invalid19:12
dkesselpleia2: given that xfce4 i slowly migrating to gtk3 we should have better chances at getting autopilot tests at some place in time ;)19:15
dkesselsorinello: it would be great if you could help! if you want to give autopilot tests a try and if there's anything you need to know about autopilot, and i don't know it, i am sure we can find someone who knows :) just ask me, or ask in #ubuntu-autopilot or #ubuntu-quality. keep in mind that i am only reading irc 1-3 times a day though ;)19:17
pleia2dkessel: that's what I was thinking19:21
dkesselknome: i got some reply regarding the infrastructure for the test automation server. if we can make any suggestion regarding the hardware we might need and/or hosting we want, we could possibly speed the process up.19:25
dkesselalso, pleia2 ^: if there's any HP stuff we could use... :D19:25
knomedkessel, would some amazon aws do the job?19:25
knomei was talking about it the other day with balloons19:26
dkesselpossibly, if there are way of scaling things up if there's demand? i mean, we would probably not need much at the beginning, and if it is a success, more power might be needed. but honestly, i don't really know how much power those tests need and how long they would run on "typical" hardware.19:28
knomeyes, i believe that's exactly what you can do with aws19:30
knomeand i also believe that there shouldn't be "any" problems with getting the funds from the community fund19:30
knomeespecially if it's a setup for multiple flavors19:31
dkesselSounds good then. DanChapman wrote he will send an update on what he did so far, so I will wait for that first before I suggest that. I guess we should communicate with other flavors to inform them about plans and so we have support for getting the funds.19:33
Unit193Oh, I suppose I should actually ask here.  Anyone have issues with fglrx on wily?  I've downgraded for now.19:33
astraljavaHaven't even attempted the upgrade, yet.19:37
astraljavaBut I have AMD graphics on my laptop, so could try live usb at some point.19:37
knomeUnit193, you like it, IS said they'll "just enable SSL [on the subdomains]" and "prepare ... SSL ... on xubuntu.org"19:38
Unit193:D19:38
knomehttps://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=26794 for the full reply19:38
Unit193astraljava: 2:15.200-0ubuntu7 is the good one.19:38
knomebluesabre, i'll pinch your cheek hard if this DVD doesn't work with parole either.19:39
knomeit does... kind of19:41
astraljavaOkay, cheers.19:55
NoskcajWhat's the command to check if a binary uses certain symbols?20:42
NoskcajI want to see if libopenraw needs a transition (it's only r-dep is tumbler)20:43
Noskcaj*transition for gcc520:43

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