[05:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: hey, what's the status of our artwork update? still stuck? also, a gentle reminder for releasing xfpanel-switch ;) and who should be poked for finalizing your ubiquity patch?
[09:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: artwork: still stuck I believe, panel-switch: will get to it soon (on holiday now), ubiquity: the code is in trunk, so if they ever release, then we get it
[09:42] <bluesabre> micahg: any news on the xubuntu-artwork package or packageset? :)
[09:46] <Unit193> Crap.
[09:48] <bluesabre> Ew.
[11:33] <knome> pleia2, you have this work item "Get first batch of flyers printed" - is that on a commercial printer or at home?
[11:38] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/
[16:49] <pleia2> knome: I think I can't do it on my own printer, since alignment or something, so the intent was going with vistaprint.com
[16:53] <knome> pleia2, that's why i'm asking - there are ways to fix the alignment, and i have to do that anyway...
[16:53] <knome> stupid ssh conf :(
[16:57] <pleia2> ok, well intend is vistaprint anyway :)
[16:57] <knome> ok, then nothing
[16:57] <pleia2> nothing?
[16:58] <knome> i mean, if the work item is for vistaprint... then i have nothing more to ask :)
[16:58] <knome> except maybe that do you need something?
[16:58] <pleia2> oh, gotcha
[16:58] <pleia2> nah, I'll ask the team for $$ reimbursement once I have a final price
[16:58] <knome> yeah
[16:58] <knome> and you have the PDFs and all?
[16:58] <pleia2> vistaprint has sales often, so I need to find the sweet spot of when I have time + good sale ;)
[16:58] <knome> haha
[16:59] <pleia2> aiming for september
[16:59] <pleia2> I probably do need the pdfs, or instructions for building
[16:59] <knome> ok
[17:01] <knome> i'll document it all today
[17:01] <knome> or tomorrow
[17:01] <knome> or sth
[17:13] <sorinello> hello knome. How's life ?
[17:13] <knome> steady
[17:14] <sorinello> what are you working on these days ? asking about xubuntu
[17:14] <knome> it would be best to look at the IRC channel backlog tbh
[17:15] <sorinello> ok
[17:38] <knome> sorinello, are you planning to get involved?
[17:39] <sorinello> knome, to get involved in xubuntu ?
[17:41] <knome> yes
[17:41] <sorinello> well I'd like to, but my C level is almost 0, and I don't yet understand the echosystem, packages,versions, stuff like that
[17:42] <knome> you don't need to understand pretty much anything what you mentioned to help
[17:43] <knome> there are a lot of non-programming tasks to do
[17:43] <sorinello> my background is mostly in Automated Testing, and as a language I work with Java, so I don't think that any of my skills could be useful
[17:43] <knome> see above ^
[17:44] <knome> i think the "i don't think i have the skills to be useful" is a wrong way to approach
[17:44] <sorinello> well I've tried "getting in" from several angles, none of them seemed to be very productive. But I'm sure that's because I haven't tried hardenough
[17:45] <knome> what ELSE than programming are you interested in?
[17:45] <sorinello> is there a xubuntu wiki where I can read around stuff to understand better the flows ?
[17:47] <flocculant> sorinello: so you say you've got background in Auto Testing - maybe you could lend a hand with testing, we don't have automated testing - and it's unlikely at the moment that we will in the near future
[17:48] <knome> sorinello, what kind of flows are you talking about?
[17:48] <sorinello> well naturally I'd say testing, but testing an OS is different than testing a web application or DB testing. First I'd need to understand how Linux works :)
[17:49] <flocculant> well ... 
[17:49] <sorinello> knome, flows like the product lifecycle, how xubuntu is built, external dependencies integrated, etc
[17:49] <knome> (wrong!)
[17:49] <flocculant> you don't actually need to know how linux works to help with testing
[17:49] <knome> sorinello, you don't need to understand that to help with xubuntu really
[17:49] <flocculant> you just need to be able to read
[17:50] <sorinello> also, triaging requires knowledge of the porjects, modules, where this bug goes to, etc. Cos if I start triaging wrong, then I'd only create mess
[17:51] <knome> sorinello, there's a beginning to everything - you seem to think that everybody expects you to be an expert on a subject if you start working with it - wrong
[17:55] <pleia2> sorinello: also, that's why we're here :) I ask questions about where to submit bugs, etc all the time while testing things
[17:56] <pleia2> sorinello: so I'd totally encourage you to check out our testing stuff at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ (click on Wily Daily, then look for the Xubuntu images) and then just ask here if you have questions
[17:56] <pleia2> I'll even ask questions like "is this supposed to work this way?" and "what features should I be testing today?" along with where to report bugs, like what pachage I should submit to if the icons look funny
[17:57] <pleia2> but we absolutely need more testers, this cycle we're really struggling
[17:57] <knome> yes please, there are no stupid questions - except those that aren't asked...
[17:58] <pleia2> sorinello: given your background, it's also worth mentioning, that Ubuntu has a functional testing tool called autopilot for automated testing, we've never had a ton of luck with it but it's been a couple years since we've looked so it may be interesting to you to look at it :)
[17:59] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autopilot
[17:59] <knome> there are people who have investigated automated testing here too
[17:59] <knome> like dkessel
[17:59] <pleia2> more eyes always help
[18:00]  * pleia2 back2work
[18:00] <knome> hf
[18:03] <sorinello> thanks guys for the support. I'll take a look at the links you gave me
[18:03] <knome> no problem, and don't hesitate to ask for help.
[19:00] <pleia2> where should we move this to? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1475865
[19:01] <knome> ubiquity?
[19:10] <pleia2> perhaps!
[19:10] <flocculant> don't think so - not sure where though
[19:10] <flocculant> appears that it the installing works 
[19:11] <flocculant> just obviously not Xubuntu website :)
[19:12] <flocculant> given the op has dupe bugs for the same thing - I'd just mark the website one invalid
[19:15] <dkessel> pleia2: given that xfce4 i slowly migrating to gtk3 we should have better chances at getting autopilot tests at some place in time ;)
[19:17] <dkessel> sorinello: it would be great if you could help! if you want to give autopilot tests a try and if there's anything you need to know about autopilot, and i don't know it, i am sure we can find someone who knows :) just ask me, or ask in #ubuntu-autopilot or #ubuntu-quality. keep in mind that i am only reading irc 1-3 times a day though ;)
[19:21] <pleia2> dkessel: that's what I was thinking
[19:25] <dkessel> knome: i got some reply regarding the infrastructure for the test automation server. if we can make any suggestion regarding the hardware we might need and/or hosting we want, we could possibly speed the process up.
[19:25] <dkessel> also, pleia2 ^: if there's any HP stuff we could use... :D
[19:25] <knome> dkessel, would some amazon aws do the job?
[19:26] <knome> i was talking about it the other day with balloons
[19:28] <dkessel> possibly, if there are way of scaling things up if there's demand? i mean, we would probably not need much at the beginning, and if it is a success, more power might be needed. but honestly, i don't really know how much power those tests need and how long they would run on "typical" hardware.
[19:30] <knome> yes, i believe that's exactly what you can do with aws
[19:30] <knome> and i also believe that there shouldn't be "any" problems with getting the funds from the community fund
[19:31] <knome> especially if it's a setup for multiple flavors
[19:33] <dkessel> Sounds good then. DanChapman wrote he will send an update on what he did so far, so I will wait for that first before I suggest that. I guess we should communicate with other flavors to inform them about plans and so we have support for getting the funds.
[19:33] <Unit193> Oh, I suppose I should actually ask here.  Anyone have issues with fglrx on wily?  I've downgraded for now.
[19:37] <astraljava> Haven't even attempted the upgrade, yet.
[19:37] <astraljava> But I have AMD graphics on my laptop, so could try live usb at some point.
[19:38] <knome> Unit193, you like it, IS said they'll "just enable SSL [on the subdomains]" and "prepare ... SSL ... on xubuntu.org"
[19:38] <Unit193> :D
[19:38] <knome> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=26794 for the full reply
[19:38] <Unit193> astraljava: 2:15.200-0ubuntu7 is the good one.
[19:39] <knome> bluesabre, i'll pinch your cheek hard if this DVD doesn't work with parole either.
[19:41] <knome> it does... kind of
[19:55] <astraljava> Okay, cheers.
[20:42] <Noskcaj> What's the command to check if a binary uses certain symbols?
[20:43] <Noskcaj> I want to see if libopenraw needs a transition (it's only r-dep is tumbler)
[20:43] <Noskcaj> *transition for gcc5