| magespawn | good morning | 05:22 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | morning all | 05:55 |
| Kilos | hi pieter2627 | 06:10 |
| pieter2627 | morning all and oom Kilos | 06:10 |
| pieter2627 | lekker gereen van oggend | 06:11 |
| Kilos | 6.5mm rain last night | 06:11 |
| Kilos | en krag af meeste van die nag ook | 06:11 |
| Kilos | ai! | 06:11 |
| pieter2627 | haha, ons sin aan vir a slag | 06:11 |
| Kilos | haha | 06:12 |
| pieter2627 | teen minste nie so erg - het eintlik net gister se shedding gemis nadat elke dag die week af was | 06:13 |
| Kilos | sjoe ons was nog nie een keer af nie | 06:13 |
| Kilos | net gisteraand van die storm | 06:14 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 06:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning | 06:32 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:32 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:47 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro mazal | 06:49 |
| mazal | More oom | 06:49 |
| mazal | Morning everyone | 06:49 |
| mazal | TGIF !!!! | 06:49 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 07:50 |
| Kilos | do we still have members in durban | 08:05 |
| Kilos | dbnlug is planning lp1 courses and the lp11 guys will help them | 08:05 |
| Kilos | LPI Southern Africa, would like to assist | 08:06 |
| Kilos | wwk doing good down there | 08:07 |
| Kilos | pity he forget to irc | 08:07 |
| Kilos | forgets | 08:07 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Cryterion is in that region | 08:36 |
| Kilos | aha ty ThatGraemeGuy | 08:36 |
| * Cryterion is in Dbn | 08:56 | |
| Kilos | Cryterion did you read | 09:04 |
| Kilos | ill try remember to get wwk here to the meeting next weekso you guys can meet | 09:05 |
| Kilos | or do you know him already | 09:05 |
| Kilos | very nice guy and always helpful | 09:06 |
| Kilos | or pm me your email address and ill forward his mail to you | 09:07 |
| * mazal peeks in for 5 min | 09:07 | |
| mazal | It's one of those Fridays that's Monday | 09:08 |
| Kilos | iirc it was an idea to get ubuntu peeps and lugs to work together and wwk agrees | 09:08 |
| Kilos | ai! mazal wat nou | 09:08 |
| Kilos | just fix things man | 09:08 |
| mazal | Oom , lot's of pebkac and crap domain and crap technitians problems today | 09:08 |
| mazal | And people not listening , and people not reading | 09:09 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:09 |
| mazal | etc. etc. etc. | 09:09 |
| Kilos | people never listen anymore | 09:09 |
| Kilos | yu should be used to that by now | 09:09 |
| mazal | And quick favor this and quick favor that | 09:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:09 |
| mazal | Which is never quick | 09:09 |
| mazal | And it always amazes me how quickly people suddenly develop a "problem" when they see you | 09:10 |
| mazal | You go for 1 thing and wind up with 20 | 09:11 |
| mazal | maaz it's time | 09:11 |
| Maaz | mazal: What? | 09:11 |
| mazal | maaz time for lunch | 09:11 |
| Maaz | mazal: Huh? | 09:11 |
| * mazal has a cheeseburger on the way :) | 09:12 | |
| mazal | hmm... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949106/software-web/one-ubuntu-pc-maker-is-kicking-adobe-flash-off-its-linux-systems.html | 09:19 |
| Cryterion | Kilos yes I did read, where could I get more info on it? | 09:25 |
| Cryterion | hi mazal | 09:26 |
| Kilos | Cryterion i asked wwk to approve you | 10:17 |
| Kilos | might need to be vince0 that does it, i forget | 10:17 |
| Kilos | here is their site methinks http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=10 | 10:19 |
| Squirm | 'lo | 10:19 |
| Kilos | we as buntu peeps need to work more at getting lugs peeps onto irc | 10:20 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 10:20 |
| Squirm | Fighting with ssh-agent and git :/ | 10:20 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:20 |
| Squirm | I need to start ssh-agent, add a key and clone a few repo's in one scipt | 10:22 |
| Squirm | For the life of me, I can't get it working | 10:22 |
| Squirm | Not authenticating :/ | 10:24 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:24 |
| mazal | Hi Cryterion , sorry I was attacked swamp here by lots of users again | 10:25 |
| Squirm | Using hashicorp's Atlas. Somehow the ssh command is run as root, but the rest of the commands are run as user | 10:28 |
| magespawn | Squirm: and the user cannot run the commands as root? | 10:29 |
| Squirm | magespawn: now that I know the ssh command runs as root. I can work around it | 10:30 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 10:30 |
| Squirm | We're trying to get packer to build our dev box on Atlas, as apposed to running it locally | 10:30 |
| magespawn | does it run as root automatically? | 10:30 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 10:30 |
| Squirm | magespawn: yes :/ | 10:30 |
| magespawn | hmm | 10:30 |
| Squirm | "ssh-add" runs as root, where "ssh -vT git@bitbucket.org" is running as the user | 10:31 |
| Squirm | sorry, swapped around :D | 10:31 |
| Squirm | "ssh-add" runs as the user, where "ssh -vT git@bitbucket.org" is running as root | 10:31 |
| inetpro | NOTE: as of today (July 23, 2015), Ubuntu 14.10 is no longer supported... | 10:33 |
| * Kilos no worry | 10:35 | |
| Kilos | im happy with 14.04 | 10:35 |
| mazal | Oe nice , I just discobered I have 10gig spare in the bank :) | 11:08 |
| mazal | discovered* | 11:08 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 11:27 |
| mazal | Hallo oom | 11:28 |
| mazal | Guys what is a good brand to look at when concidering an SSD ? | 11:31 |
| Kilos | Squirm | 11:31 |
| Squirm | Kilos: ? | 11:31 |
| Kilos | can you help please | 11:31 |
| Squirm | With? | 11:32 |
| Kilos | Good day | 11:32 |
| Kilos | Does anybody know where Red Hat Administration Training is done. My | 11:32 |
| Kilos | organization would like to send someone for training. | 11:32 |
| Squirm | Where are they based? | 11:32 |
| Kilos | this is from some other country in africa | 11:32 |
| Kilos | i forget where | 11:32 |
| Squirm | http://www.redhat.com/en/services/training/locations-facilities#emea | 11:33 |
| Kilos | oh i think ghana lug | 11:33 |
| Kilos | ty | 11:33 |
| Kilos | or zim | 11:33 |
| Kilos | all these emails drive me nuts | 11:35 |
| Kilos | i should say more nuts | 11:35 |
| Squirm | Home time | 11:38 |
| Kilos | lekker | 11:39 |
| Kilos | hi qwebirc80545 | 12:14 |
| qwebirc80545 | Hi Kilos, this is my first time here | 12:15 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 12:16 |
| Kilos | if you need help just state what you need | 12:16 |
| stickyboy | We should reach out to LUGs in Asia. | 12:19 |
| stickyboy | :P | 12:19 |
| Kilos | lol we need to get all africa lugs first stickyboy | 12:19 |
| stickyboy | k | 12:19 |
| Kilos | but the rest of the world will be next, dont worry | 12:20 |
| Kilos | do they make nice feta? | 12:20 |
| qwebirc80545 | Thanks for the welcome. I will do ask and keep in touch as I am planning to to fully migrate to Ubuntu. I'm running a dual boot machine and two other machines and a server running Ubuntu. So I am excited being here | 12:22 |
| Kilos | great qwebirc80545 yu can start by getting a proper irc client like hexchat if you are using unity] | 12:23 |
| Kilos | then you done have to come via the site or browser | 12:23 |
| Kilos | dont | 12:23 |
| mazal | Hi qwebirc80545 , welcome :) | 12:24 |
| qwebirc80545 | Great, I'll sure get the client, | 12:24 |
| qwebirc80545 | Hello mazal :D | 12:24 |
| Kilos | you know how to use the terminal | 12:24 |
| Kilos | then its simple | 12:25 |
| mazal | Hey , that's the best smile I got all day :) | 12:25 |
| Kilos | haha | 12:25 |
| mazal | Even oom Kilos gave me cold shoulder today :( | 12:25 |
| Kilos | never man | 12:25 |
| mazal | is | 12:25 |
| Kilos | :D | 12:25 |
| Kilos | i was busy in africa most likely | 12:26 |
| mazal | I am right here in africa as well | 12:26 |
| qwebirc80545 | haha yes I am able to use terminal | 12:26 |
| Kilos | and im looking at the frree electricity video in between | 12:26 |
| Kilos | right qwebirc80545 type in | 12:26 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install hexchat | 12:26 |
| mazal | ok , time to start shutting down | 12:27 |
| qwebirc80545 | I'll have to do that when I get home, mean time I'll copy that command , thanks kilos | 12:27 |
| mazal | Have a nice afternoon everyone | 12:28 |
| mazal | Bye for now | 12:28 |
| Kilos | cool qwebirc80545 we are here most of the time | 12:28 |
| Kilos | chers mazal | 12:28 |
| Kilos | cheers | 12:28 |
| mazal | Cheers all | 12:28 |
| mazal | Cheers maaz | 12:28 |
| mazal | maaz bye | 12:29 |
| Maaz | Cheers mazal | 12:29 |
| mazal | daarsy :) | 12:29 |
| mazal | lol | 12:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:29 |
| qwebirc80545 | Cheers mazal, @kilos That's awesome. Plus tomorrow there is a server I need to finish installing and configuring so I'm gonna need advice on that | 12:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | haha | 12:30 |
| Kilos | well you have come to the right place | 12:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | tomorrow this place is a ghost town | 12:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:30 |
| Cryterion | I'll be around configuring a server tomorrow as well | 12:31 |
| Kilos | there you go | 12:31 |
| qwebirc80545 | Well then I'll have to ask you guys now then, but Cryterion to my rescue :) | 12:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | sounds like work | 12:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and I don't work on weekends | 12:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well unless stuff breaks | 12:32 |
| Kilos | the ubuntu-za team always has answers | 12:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but not this weekend | 12:32 |
| * Cryterion logs onto ThatGraemeGuy's server to go break it | 12:32 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | good luck with that :) | 12:32 |
| Kilos | many of us are here 7 days a week qwebirc80545 | 12:33 |
| Cryterion | So I must try? ;) | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it's your minetest game, be my guest | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lol | 12:33 |
| Cryterion | lol, I know | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | there's nothing else on there to break | 12:33 |
| Kilos | haha | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | have a good weekend everyone, it's beer o'clock | 12:37 |
| Cryterion | enjoy, I have to wait :( | 12:38 |
| qwebirc80545 | As I am going to install a server, I can either install it as a virtual machine or dedicate a machine to operate only Ubuntu Server, right now I am thinking of installing Ubuntu desktop then run Ubuntu Server on a virtual machine. The idea is to host multiple website on those servers but I am concerned with regards to performance and maintenance | 12:38 |
| Kilos | Cryterion your turn | 12:41 |
| Cryterion | Just run with the desktop version, you can add in the extra packages to make it a full server | 12:42 |
| Cryterion | So it'll become a server with a gui | 12:42 |
| pieter2627 | qwebirc80545: personal sites? | 12:43 |
| Kilos | i ran server on a seperate machine | 12:43 |
| Cryterion | Not sure yet how to add multiple sites yet, but I run a single .co.za domain on 14.04lts desktop | 12:44 |
| qwebirc80545 | Both personal and non personal. Yes its going to be on a separate machine | 12:44 |
| qwebirc80545 | Apache is able to create virtual host for different websites | 12:45 |
| pieter2627 | there might not be a reason to create a VM for each - VMs take a lot of resources | 12:45 |
| Cryterion | Yes apache can, just haven't done that yet | 12:45 |
| Cryterion | pieter2627 Virtual Hosts not VM's is what Apache does | 12:46 |
| * pieter2627 personally likes containers over VM - quick to build, move and use less resources | 12:46 | |
| pieter2627 | Cryterion: exactly, but sounded like he wanted to create a vm for each (or i am not reading properly) | 12:47 |
| Cryterion | Think he mean 1 machine with the desktop, and a VM for the server OS | 12:48 |
| pieter2627 | 'host multiple website on those servers' threw me off | 12:49 |
| Cryterion | thought so :) | 12:49 |
| qwebirc80545 | I tried the virtual host on a virtual server, but I wondered about VM 's for each website on a single desktop | 12:49 |
| Cryterion | that'll be a waste of resources as pieter said with multiple vm's | 12:50 |
| Cryterion | I would just let Apache handle the seperating of each site | 12:52 |
| pieter2627 | rather use a VM for each service (mySQL, apache, etc.) | 12:52 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: How do you use containers in production? | 12:53 |
| stickyboy | Buy a server on AWS or Linode and run containers on it? | 12:53 |
| stickyboy | SSH to the host and deploy containers? | 12:53 |
| stickyboy | I just can't wrap my head around it. | 12:53 |
| qwebirc80545 | Cryterion That is what I need to know, so running mysql, apace etc as vm's won't waste resources? | 12:54 |
| stickyboy | Also, I hate the Docker jargon, branding, fanbois, etc. Ugh. | 12:54 |
| pieter2627 | stickyboy: i only use containers for dev and home server | 12:54 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: Ah. | 12:54 |
| Cryterion | this might help http://myownhomeserver.com/2012/12/how-to-create-multiple-websites-using-apache-xampp/ | 12:55 |
| Cryterion | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html | 12:56 |
| pieter2627 | stickyboy: but i have seen tools to move containers to productions servers effortlessly when i looked into containers | 12:56 |
| * pieter2627 remembers using webmin in his earlier days with apache... too bad that it is no longer an option | 12:57 | |
| Cryterion | qwebirc80545 this could help you for the multiple MySQL servers https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/multiple-servers.html | 12:58 |
| stickyboy | pieter2627: Right now I'm into Ansible, templates, host and group variables, etc. | 12:59 |
| stickyboy | I think I'll just watch the container stuff evolve a bit more. | 12:59 |
| pieter2627 | stickyboy: have no idea what any are | 13:00 |
| qwebirc80545 | Thanks Cryterion, I would have been knocking my head all day and night about this. I'm clear headed now | 13:00 |
| Cryterion | qwebirc80545 The way I see it just passing through those sites is run 1 Apache Server, then multiple instances of MySQL, 1 for each site | 13:01 |
| Cryterion | yw :) | 13:01 |
| pieter2627 | Cryterion: why multiple instances of MySQL? | 13:02 |
| Cryterion | 1 for each site 1 instance/server, each on it's own thread, rather than a vm running extra background stuff to run it | 13:03 |
| pieter2627 | qwebirc80545: ubuntu server also has a minimal install option that is great for VMs | 13:03 |
| pieter2627 | Cryterion: 1 VM, multiple instances? | 13:04 |
| Cryterion | a vm would make a new machine, needing a kernel, background io stuff, apache on each | 13:05 |
| Cryterion | Why run multiple vm's, multiple Apache servers when mysql only has to be multiple | 13:06 |
| * pieter2627 thinks one VM with multiple mySQL instances is great, just wanted to make it clear | 13:07 | |
| qwebirc80545 | So I would run apache with virtual hosts containing different sites and multiple vm's with mysql on each one... | 13:07 |
| Cryterion | No, apache running, and just multiple instances of mysql | 13:08 |
| Cryterion | If you put mysql into a vm, i'll need it own apache server | 13:08 |
| stickyboy | Multiple MySQL databases... one instance... | 13:09 |
| Cryterion | All of it can run on a desktop ubuntu, no need for a vm | 13:09 |
| pieter2627 | For a start i would suggest one machine for all like Cryterion just said | 13:11 |
| Cryterion | stickyboy I think rather multiple instances, as multiple databases would probably become multiple database to 1 site | 13:11 |
| stickyboy | Cryterion: Multiple instances means more overhead... | 13:13 |
| stickyboy | Just use naming prefixes for your databases: site1_blah, site1_omg | 13:14 |
| stickyboy | Seriously, it's what you are supposed to do. | 13:14 |
| Cryterion | qwebirc80545 maybe tryout what stickyboy is saying, ^^^^^ | 13:15 |
| Cryterion | That being for MySQL | 13:15 |
| qwebirc80545 | What if I need a fallover? Should it be multiple mysql? | 13:15 |
| stickyboy | qwebirc80545: Failover on another machine? Yes. | 13:15 |
| qwebirc80545 | Ok I need to write this down | 13:17 |
| stickyboy | Well the failover thing is just common sense. | 13:19 |
| stickyboy | If attempting to protect from hardware failure, then you need to have a MySQL slave. | 13:20 |
| stickyboy | (on a separate machine) | 13:20 |
| qwebirc80545 | Yes of course | 13:23 |
| === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away | ||
| qwebirc80545 | I have read through the next meeting's agenda, and I'll signup | 13:26 |
| === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus | ||
| Kilos | qwebirc80545 welcome aboard | 14:00 |
| Kilos | best channel to be on hey | 14:00 |
| qwebirc80545 | Thanks Kikos it is very helpful | 14:05 |
| Kilos | qwyou still here? | 14:45 |
| Kilos | you can join us you know | 14:46 |
| Kilos | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za | 14:46 |
| Kilos | become part of the coolest community around | 14:47 |
| Kilos | aw | 14:48 |
| Kilos | oh well | 14:48 |
| Kilos | more is nog n dag | 14:48 |
| Kilos | sjoe inetpro jy nog nie huis toe nie? | 14:49 |
| Kilos | hi kulelu88 mazal | 15:04 |
| Kilos | ohi Private_User | 15:04 |
| mazal | hi | 15:05 |
| kulelu88 | hello | 15:16 |
| * Cryterion waits patiently for Ubuntu server 15.04 to download | 17:08 | |
| Private_User | hi Kilos | 17:10 |
| Kilos | ai! | 17:20 |
| mazal | oi! | 17:24 |
| inetpro | ui! | 17:31 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:32 |
| mazal | ish! | 17:33 |
| Kilos | ish is an ubuntu guy in mauritius | 17:33 |
| Cryterion | eish! | 17:34 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:34 |
| Kilos | Cryterion wht 15.04 | 17:34 |
| inetpro | he is irish :-D | 17:34 |
| Kilos | why | 17:34 |
| inetpro | I rish | 17:35 |
| Kilos | is server support longer? | 17:35 |
| Kilos | you should told the new guy we here dark times as well | 17:36 |
| Cryterion | 15.04 is latest stable, I wanted to go server only, anything above 15.04 is 64-bit, needed a 32-bit version | 17:38 |
| Cryterion | The newguy wanted a desktop and server, hence where the VM came in | 17:39 |
| Kilos | yeah but isnt it only 6 months support | 17:39 |
| mazal | 9 | 17:40 |
| mazal | I think | 17:40 |
| Kilos | oi! | 17:40 |
| Cryterion | even if only 6months is fine for me now | 17:40 |
| Kilos | against 5 years for lts | 17:40 |
| Kilos | oh ok | 17:40 |
| Cryterion | It's a tryout for me, putting it on a seperate hdd so I can just swop out on the machine | 17:41 |
| Kilos | ok | 17:41 |
| Kilos | oh Cryterion | 17:44 |
| Kilos | you going to use the scond drive as a vm from the first drive? | 17:45 |
| Kilos | second | 17:45 |
| Cryterion | nope, physical swop out | 17:46 |
| Kilos | o | 17:46 |
| Cryterion | machine can only hold the 1 hdd | 17:46 |
| Kilos | aw | 17:47 |
| Kilos | laptop? | 17:47 |
| Cryterion | I needed to start from a scratch install to setup iRedMail, so thought I'd try out server only this time | 17:48 |
| Kilos | ok | 17:48 |
| Cryterion | very mini pc, mecer nettop | 17:48 |
| Cryterion | the size of my to hands put together | 17:48 |
| Cryterion | two* | 17:49 |
| Kilos | wow | 17:49 |
| Kilos | ok now lets say | 17:49 |
| Kilos | if i put a second drive in a laptop in place of the dvdrom | 17:50 |
| Cryterion | physically won't fit | 17:50 |
| Kilos | could i install server on a vm there and use it | 17:50 |
| Kilos | oh wont it | 17:51 |
| Kilos | aw | 17:51 |
| Cryterion | vm is virtual, needs to run under the main os | 17:51 |
| Cryterion | you can't run the vm without the main os running | 17:51 |
| Kilos | oh cant it use another drive | 17:51 |
| Kilos | the vm i mean | 17:52 |
| Cryterion | yes can, for it's storage, but the other drive would have to mounted in the main os first | 17:52 |
| Kilos | yes | 17:53 |
| Kilos | so then it becomes like just another partition | 17:53 |
| Cryterion | yes | 17:53 |
| Cryterion | and you can allocate whatever space needed be the vm there | 17:54 |
| Kilos | cool | 17:54 |
| Cryterion | be back in a bit, need to go pickup my daughter | 17:55 |
| magespawn | good evening | 18:15 |
| Cryterion | evening | 18:15 |
| magespawn | how are you Cryterion ? | 18:18 |
| magespawn | that good, wow | 18:23 |
| magespawn | Maaz seen Kilos | 18:27 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Kilos was last seen 32 minutes and 34 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-24 10:54:28 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-24 11:02:14 PDT | 18:27 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:46 |
| inetpro | wb Cryterion | 19:01 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| Cryterion | tks inetpro | 19:03 |
| inetpro | MaNI: what's the difference? | 19:04 |
| Cryterion | L & I are different!! | 19:04 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:04 |
| inetpro | left and in? | 19:05 |
| Cryterion | maybe, not sure | 19:05 |
| MaNI | someone was impersonating me (taking advantage of the two chars looking similar in certain fonts) | 19:07 |
| MaNI | so I registered it as my alt (for when I timeout) to prevent it happening again | 19:07 |
| inetpro | ah | 19:08 |
| MaNI | don't ever trust sans fonts for important stuff :) | 19:08 |
| inetpro | Cryterion: how's your installation going? | 19:11 |
| superfly | Ohi | 19:15 |
| Cryterion | 15.04 gets stuck at ifup-wait-all-auto.service and can't do anything from there inetpro | 19:16 |
| superfly | <MaNI> don't ever trust sans fonts for important stuff :) | 19:16 |
| inetpro | eish! | 19:16 |
| superfly | So true | 19:16 |
| Cryterion | waiting for 14.04 to finish downloading, then gonna try that | 19:17 |
| Cryterion | can't even ssh into the 15.04, just refuses the connection, grrr | 19:18 |
| Private_User | evening all | 19:18 |
| Cryterion | hiya Private_User | 19:18 |
| Private_User | hi Cryterion | 19:18 |
| Cryterion | looks like he has inetpro blems, lol | 19:20 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:20 |
| inetpro | looks like a known bug as well | 19:21 |
| Cryterion | will look later, anyway need to go for a bit to pick up son | 19:22 |
| inetpro | wb Private_User | 19:23 |
| Private_User | thanks inetpro | 19:23 |
| Private_User | my connection seems to be very slow at the moment | 19:23 |
| Private_User | getting ping responses of like over 3000ms | 19:23 |
| Private_User | and request time outs | 19:24 |
| Private_User | oh well I might as well bbl hopefully when I get back the connection has improved | 19:28 |
| Private_User | BBL people | 19:28 |
| mekiss | Hi all. Cryterion you already started with the installation? | 19:40 |
| magespawn | bed time, good night all | 19:41 |
| Cryterion | mekiss, yes had completed the installation | 19:41 |
| kulelu88 | whos in mauritius here? | 19:53 |
| Kilos | sigh | 20:00 |
| gremble | sup | 20:11 |
| Kilos | gremble wb | 20:11 |
| gremble | How are you Kilos? | 20:11 |
| Kilos | just before i go to bed | 20:11 |
| Kilos | good ty and you? | 20:11 |
| gremble | I am well thank you | 20:12 |
| Kilos | im trying to remember how clever you are | 20:12 |
| gremble | Not very | 20:12 |
| gremble | :P | 20:12 |
| gremble | Why? | 20:12 |
| Kilos | who does soldering and stuff? not you? | 20:12 |
| gremble | No, I have never been very good at soldering | 20:12 |
| gremble | I don't have enough hands | 20:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:13 |
| gremble | I'd like to learn though | 20:13 |
| Kilos | i found how to make free power | 20:13 |
| Kilos | i will help you get soldering right | 20:13 |
| Kilos | its all in the temperature | 20:13 |
| Kilos | im gonna spam here with good links | 20:14 |
| Kilos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOq9C3YSjKg | 20:14 |
| Kilos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vF--q3swQ&feature=youtu.be&t=8m53s | 20:14 |
| Kilos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDretlCt8g | 20:14 |
| Kilos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9XnP0jI38 | 20:14 |
| Kilos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ7I9XgaW3A | 20:14 |
| Kilos | wacth them and see if you keen | 20:14 |
| kulelu88 | free as in free beer? | 20:14 |
| Kilos | im going to start the hendershot fuelless generator as soon as i can get the caps and magnet | 20:15 |
| Kilos | free | 20:15 |
| Kilos | out the air | 20:15 |
| Kilos | them guys researchd teslas work and got it working | 20:15 |
| Kilos | should actually tweet and g+ and fb that before they have "accidents"\ | 20:16 |
| gremble | "To date no successful device exists that will be allowed to be independently and credibly tested" Would be nice to see a paper published about it | 20:16 |
| Kilos | who can stop you doing stuff at home | 20:17 |
| gremble | No one | 20:17 |
| gremble | ofc | 20:17 |
| kulelu88 | I don't know. Electricity from air doesn't sound plausible, considering how much we use | 20:17 |
| gremble | ^ | 20:17 |
| Kilos | i will start the first one and let you know when it works | 20:18 |
| gremble | Please do | 20:18 |
| MaNI | that hendershot stuff is an age old scam :p though as long as you have fun and don't kill yourself I guess no harm | 20:18 |
| Kilos | the one guy uses 36 volts to make big power | 20:18 |
| gremble | I am scepticle, but I will certainly not dissuade you. I like being surprised :D | 20:18 |
| Kilos | but i want to do the first one then not need batteries as well | 20:19 |
| Kilos | when you got time watch the videos | 20:19 |
| Kilos | lots looking but could be well worth it | 20:19 |
| Kilos | if they arent fact then they cleverly sneaked power in where you cant see it | 20:20 |
| gremble | I'm a stickler for mathematics | 20:21 |
| Kilos | its all about using radio frequencies not actual ac or dc volts | 20:21 |
| superfly | By the way, we're still looking for developers | 20:21 |
| superfly | if anyone is interested in moving to Cape Town | 20:21 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 20:21 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 20:21 |
| kulelu88 | Do you guys know how to loop through a nested dictionary? superfly ? | 20:22 |
| superfly | kulelu88: a dictionary in a dictionary? or how does it look? | 20:23 |
| kulelu88 | dict['users'][X]['item1']. I want to loop through X | 20:23 |
| superfly | where X is changing? | 20:24 |
| superfly | for key, value in dict['users'].iteritems() | 20:24 |
| superfly | (or just items() if you're using Python 3) | 20:24 |
| Kilos | ok then all. sleep tight and keep warm, we 15°c max tomorrow | 20:25 |
| kulelu88 | yeah, X is changing and I am making a fixed call on item1 | 20:26 |
| kulelu88 | I was learning about datetime today. what a weird lib it is | 20:26 |
| superfly | a lot less weird than other date time implementations | 20:27 |
| superfly | I think the only thing I find irritating is that there's no easy way to convert between a Python datetime object and a unix timestampp | 20:27 |
| gremble | submit a PR to python's datetime :P | 20:28 |
| superfly | but being able to do yesterday = datetime.now() - timedelta(hours=24) | 20:28 |
| kulelu88 | I could use that line also. I need to make my script check the date once a day | 20:29 |
| kulelu88 | gremble: lets move to cape town!!! | 20:33 |
| gremble | I'll be no good as a developer :x | 20:33 |
| kulelu88 | we'll do this most of the summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cGwBhgJecc | 20:33 |
| gremble | Therefore cape town has no good jobs | 20:33 |
| gremble | You mean sharkpunching? | 20:34 |
| superfly | gremble: but what do you want to do? | 20:34 |
| kulelu88 | I think I'll be a shitty dev also. TDD and all that weirdness | 20:34 |
| superfly | kulelu88: TDD is actually really cool once you understand it, and you're not trying to retrofit some large obscene mess of code with tests | 20:34 |
| kulelu88 | This may sound stupid, but do you need to write tests for variables if you declare them as var1_int? var2_string ? | 20:35 |
| kulelu88 | I know you could easily make var1_int = "a", but how thick would 1 have to be to not see var1_int ? | 20:35 |
| superfly | why are you writing tests for variables? it seems a little silly to me? | 20:35 |
| kulelu88 | that's part of TDD apparently. | 20:36 |
| superfly | unit testing is about testing functions and methods | 20:36 |
| kulelu88 | don't you need to test what the variables return? | 20:36 |
| superfly | kulelu88: a sort-of side effect of TDD is that you code becomes cleaner and more modular | 20:36 |
| gremble | Hmm. I really like this mathematics business. So I want to see how far I can take it. But as I am sitting here I am working on a computational linear algebra library in C++ to sharpen my skill in C++ and programming something slightly less trivial than what I have been messing around with in Lisp and Haskell the past couple of weeks | 20:36 |
| superfly | gremble: ever delved into machine learning? | 20:37 |
| kulelu88 | gremble needs to work for a bank like standard bank. | 20:37 |
| superfly | kulelu88: what methods and functions return, sure. variables not so much | 20:37 |
| gremble | superfly: I've read some blog posts on it, but I will probably look at it more in an applicative sense when I do statistics again | 20:37 |
| superfly | (we need someone who can do or learn machine learning) | 20:38 |
| kulelu88 | in order to test a function, you have to write a function right? what stops your testing function from failing? | 20:38 |
| superfly | kulelu88: yes, but you predefine your inputs and outputs, and then make sure that the function you're testing works according to how you think it should be working | 20:39 |
| superfly | kulelu88: there are various caveats, and testing is not going to be perfect, but it's a whole lot better than untested code | 20:39 |
| superfly | I've worked with large codebases of both, and let me tell you, the TDD codebase was WAY less buggy | 20:40 |
| kulelu88 | what is different in writing tests for a language like C#/Java over Python/Ruby ? | 20:40 |
| gremble | TDD - test driven development? | 20:40 |
| superfly | kulelu88: not much, from what I can tell | 20:40 |
| superfly | gremble: yes | 20:40 |
| gremble | Oh. That is the one of the better coding paradigms | 20:41 |
| superfly | kulelu88: there are various ways you can test things, and various scopes of testing too. | 20:41 |
| kulelu88 | I recall someone saying something about the issue of dynamic languages having mutable types and you use TDD to make sure that your types become immutable | 20:41 |
| gremble | I usually make a main.cpp file that has the "expected results" of my code and just test it against my code | 20:41 |
| superfly | kulelu88: at our company we also do pair programming (which some folks like to call extreme programming), which helps to catch bugs and increase code quality | 20:42 |
| superfly | kulelu88: not really. you can still mess things up in a statically typed language | 20:42 |
| superfly | though I do understand that dynamically typed languages have the potential of having type-related bugs | 20:43 |
| kulelu88 | Would that be useful though? I'd like to dabble in writing a library that can test types in dynamic languages | 20:43 |
| gremble | It *should* get caught by the compiler though | 20:43 |
| kulelu88 | would be hard but fun | 20:43 |
| gremble | kulelu88: if I recall correctly, that is a phD thesis | 20:44 |
| gremble | :P | 20:44 |
| superfly | kulelu88: it's not too hard. just write a test to check the return value type | 20:44 |
| kulelu88 | how so? gremble . Unless they are generalizing it at some higher-order mathematical level, which is where I "fekk off" back into the basement | 20:44 |
| gremble | Sec, I might be lying | 20:45 |
| kulelu88 | :P | 20:45 |
| kulelu88 | I really like this: http://mypy-lang.org/ | 20:45 |
| gremble | I fear I was incorrect. | 20:46 |
| gremble | Can't find the article I was reading | 20:46 |
| kulelu88 | It must be a ruby-gem already | 20:46 |
| superfly | http://bin.snyman.info/phj8w | 20:46 |
| gremble | superfly, you guys use python, correct? | 20:47 |
| superfly | gremble: and C++, but the machine learning would be in Python | 20:47 |
| superfly | kulelu88: ^^ that's a simple test, it would catch incorrect errors | 20:47 |
| superfly | *incorrect types | 20:48 |
| kulelu88 | this article: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1519 ? gremble | 20:48 |
| Cryterion | NEVER EVER, connect a pc with win7 start on it to your network, grrrr | 20:50 |
| gremble | Hmm It may have been about type inference, but it wasn't a lambda-the-ultimate one | 20:50 |
| gremble | why Cryterion? | 20:50 |
| MaNI | haha, thats nothing, try with win xp :/ | 20:50 |
| gremble | windows powershell is so slow | 20:51 |
| gremble | lol | 20:51 |
| Cryterion | gremble, my entire network kept crashing, and only while it was trying to get inet access | 20:51 |
| kulelu88 | Thinking about it, even with some type-checking, what benefits will it have? | 20:51 |
| superfly | kulelu88: you talking about TDD, or type-checking variables? | 20:54 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: type-checking. apparently, that is how pypy works? | 20:55 |
| superfly | I'm not really familiar with how PyPy works | 20:56 |
| kulelu88 | I'm discussing it in #python | 20:56 |
| superfly | I don't think PyPy is statically typed though? | 20:56 |
| kulelu88 | it's a JIT IIRC | 20:57 |
| gremble | Stealing machine learning textbooks from the internet would be so much quicker if mweb wasn't so slow | 20:58 |
| kulelu88 | eeuuww mweb | 20:58 |
| gremble | I'm poor. It's the internet that poor people can have | 20:59 |
| gremble | I'm just stoked that it isn't dail-up | 20:59 |
| gremble | You have to pay R30 extra to get dail-up | 20:59 |
| kulelu88 | I had dial-up P2P speeds last night. fekking ISP with their new shaping policy, even after 12am | 21:00 |
| gremble | Guys, guys. I don't know if you know; but it is cold. Like really | 21:00 |
| superfly | earlier I could see my breathe... in my bedroom. | 21:01 |
| gremble | What you need is a heater | 21:01 |
| kulelu88 | taking a dump right now would be absolute joy | 21:02 |
| gremble | It's too cold to take your pants off though | 21:02 |
| kulelu88 | what if you were with the most attractive woman you'd ever and will ever lay your eyes on? | 21:04 |
| superfly | I already am. She's my wife. | 21:04 |
| gremble | get with her under a blanket. Not pull my pants off to sit on a cold porcelain seat | 21:04 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: based on how a dynamic language works, can it really do type inference if the code is interpreted line by line or would some checking basically be building a compiler on top of python? | 21:05 |
| superfly | kulelu88: Python is dynamically typed, not PHP or JavaScript which change depending on how you're using it, the time of day, and the weather in Timbuktoo right now. | 21:09 |
| superfly | kulelu88: if you set a variable to be a string, and then you use it like and int, Python is going to throw a TypeError | 21:10 |
| superfly | granted, at runtime, not compile time, but if you're using TDD, you'll pick that up WAY before production | 21:10 |
| kulelu88 | that's true as well. | 21:12 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: I hope you guys become a sponsor for PyCon. I think PyConZA 2015 may be epic | 21:14 |
| superfly | I've been asked if I don't want to speak at PyCon. Not really sure I want to. | 21:15 |
| superfly | And I would prefer PyCon being in Cape Town | 21:15 |
| gremble | Why don't you want to talk at pycon? | 21:16 |
| superfly | I'm not a public speaker | 21:17 |
| kulelu88 | codes in the debian dungeons with poettering | 21:17 |
| gremble | I thought about making a numpy presentation at one of the SFD's because I vehemently dislike matlab, so I want everyone to use numpy/scipy | 21:17 |
| superfly | gremble: do that, please do | 21:18 |
| kulelu88 | PyCon is that place gremble . R300 ticket for you as a student | 21:18 |
| gremble | Your ML thing gave me an idea. Going to play around and see if I can make something interesting | 21:19 |
| * superfly doesn't even know what he would talk about | 21:19 | |
| superfly | gremble: ML? | 21:19 |
| gremble | kulelu88: at pycon everyone already knows about python, secondly I don't have R300 to spend on shit :P | 21:19 |
| gremble | Machine Learning | 21:19 |
| superfly | oh right | 21:20 |
| superfly | have fun! | 21:20 |
| superfly | by the way guys, don't forget to save up for tickets to DebConf in Cape Town next year. | 21:20 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: using your suggested way to loop through my nested dict, I get this error: AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'iteritems' | 21:21 |
| gremble | Are these software conferences interesting? | 21:21 |
| gremble | I've only been to an information science conference and that was pretty bland | 21:21 |
| superfly | kulelu88: oh, it's a list inside a dictionary? | 21:21 |
| superfly | kulelu88: then just for value in dict['user'] | 21:22 |
| kulelu88 | gremble: according to what I see on the webz, the chilling together and smalltalk is more interesting than the conference-talks | 21:22 |
| gremble | Ah | 21:22 |
| superfly | debconf also has a debcamp the week before, which is a hackathon type thing | 21:23 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: how would I access the key then? My nested dict is basically a JSON file that has the user info stored one level lower | 21:23 |
| kulelu88 | let me paste you my JSON | 21:23 |
| superfly | kulelu88: you've got a dict in a list in a dict | 21:23 |
| superfly | kk | 21:24 |
| superfly | for user in dict['users']: | 21:24 |
| superfly | print 'Name:', user['name'] | 21:24 |
| superfly | Assuming: dict['users'][0]['name'] | 21:25 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: https://pastee.org/3p5mk | 21:26 |
| kulelu88 | I want to loop through each name | 21:26 |
| kulelu88 | and check it's value | 21:27 |
| superfly | right, so as I said, a dict within a list within a dict | 21:27 |
| superfly | then just loop through the list and check the value of the dict | 21:28 |
| kulelu88 | fekk, JSON converts terribly into Python | 21:28 |
| superfly | actually, it converts the same | 21:28 |
| gremble | json is not terribly goodlooking itself :P | 21:29 |
| gremble | It's not really supposed to be | 21:30 |
| kulelu88 | whoa, shit it worked, and I understood how as well | 21:31 |
| kulelu88 | a dict within a list within a dict | 21:31 |
| kulelu88 | so while using "value" looping through the dict, I took that same "value" as "value"[item] :/ | 21:32 |
| superfly | http://bin.snyman.info/ceegv | 21:37 |
| kulelu88 | why do you say u'users' ? | 21:37 |
| gremble | with your lips? | 21:37 |
| kulelu88 | why not how | 21:38 |
| kulelu88 | :/ | 21:38 |
| kulelu88 | haskell programmers :/ | 21:38 |
| gremble | Why did I read how? | 21:38 |
| gremble | I am retarded | 21:38 |
| superfly | kulelu88: because there's a "users" in the data you gave me | 21:39 |
| kulelu88 | aah ok | 21:39 |
| gremble | This textbook uses wordpad as an editor | 21:39 |
| gremble | I'm snickering | 21:39 |
| superfly | gremble: I'd probably be throwing. That text book. Out the window. | 21:40 |
| gremble | Just because they're shit with using tools doesn't mean they're shit with their mathematics | 21:40 |
| superfly | If they're mathematicians, OK, but if they were developers... | 21:41 |
| kulelu88 | at least they're not asking you to setup a netbeans environment | 21:42 |
| kulelu88 | hashtag minimalists! | 21:42 |
| gremble | This is most certainly not written by developers | 21:42 |
| superfly | I've recently started being quite productive in VIM | 21:43 |
| superfly | I don't really use PyCharm anymore. | 21:43 |
| gremble | dude. I discovered emacs | 21:43 |
| gremble | D: | 21:43 |
| superfly | gremble: they say there's a text editor somewhere in there. I still have my doubts. | 21:43 |
| gremble | There is? It is an amazing lisp interpreter though | 21:44 |
| kulelu88 | I tried light-table, then realized that it was a node-webkit application and was laggy compared to Sublime, so I'm waiting for limetext to become a thing | 21:44 |
| superfly | kulelu88: have you tried Atom? | 21:44 |
| kulelu88 | same problem as light table, they use electron, another javascript beauty | 21:44 |
| kulelu88 | is it fast though? | 21:44 |
| kulelu88 | I *could* try it | 21:44 |
| superfly | It was pretty responsive the last time I used it | 21:44 |
| kulelu88 | *makes note to try it* | 21:45 |
| superfly | There's also VSCode | 21:45 |
| superfly | But I don't think that's open source | 21:45 |
| gremble | it is also nodejs though (atom) | 21:45 |
| superfly | gremble: yes, I know. | 21:45 |
| superfly | my personal opinion is that NodeJS is being used for WAY too much. | 21:45 |
| kulelu88 | or I could try writing 1 using Vala D; | 21:46 |
| superfly | (I'm not entirely sure why I would want JS on my server) | 21:46 |
| kulelu88 | the MEAN stack | 21:46 |
| superfly | MongoDB, EmberJS, AngularJS and NodeJS? | 21:48 |
| kulelu88 | there's a good reason for it though, besides Node being hard to understand as an async thing | 21:48 |
| kulelu88 | MongoDB, ExpressJS, AngularJS and NodeJS | 21:48 |
| gremble | Database people seem to dislike mongo :P | 21:48 |
| kulelu88 | because Node isn't a framework but express is :D | 21:48 |
| superfly | I want to cry every time I use Async in Angular. | 21:48 |
| kulelu88 | Angular takes a while to learn, but I liked it over Ember | 21:49 |
| kulelu88 | Nomanini sounds like a place where there's no "we need some Java here at least" :D | 21:50 |
| superfly | If you say "Java" in the offices, you'll hear the sound of 6 groans | 21:52 |
| gremble | only 6? | 21:52 |
| kulelu88 | Do you know what Vala is? superfly | 21:52 |
| superfly | there's only 6 developers | 21:53 |
| superfly | kulelu88: Sorta, I had a brief look at it a while back | 21:53 |
| kulelu88 | gremble and I are number 8 and 12 at nomanini | 21:53 |
| gremble | what? | 21:53 |
| kulelu88 | Have you seen this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Genie . Cool ehh | 21:53 |
| superfly | GTK. ugh. | 21:57 |
| superfly | There's also Cython, for writing Python that compiles to C | 21:57 |
| kulelu88 | is that the same though? Cython doesn't sound fun | 21:58 |
| gremble | Python from python.org is reference python implemented in C. So that also compiles to C | 21:58 |
| superfly | Well, Cython takes Python, converts it to C, compiles it, and makes it a C-exension for Python | 21:59 |
| superfly | so you can write your code in Python (or even in C-like Python for better optimisation), but have the speed of C | 21:59 |
| gremble | That is quite neat | 22:00 |
| superfly | I've never used it, never really needed to | 22:00 |
| gremble | I might be better off just writing the C insted | 22:01 |
| gremble | instead* | 22:01 |
| gremble | xD | 22:01 |
| kulelu88 | that's my gripe too gremble . Thus, my quest for Python at the low level | 22:04 |
| kulelu88 | did you guys write your own compiler for the embedded device? superfly | 22:04 |
| superfly | kulelu88: no. we use GCC | 22:04 |
| gremble | This ipython notebook even has the unfortunate way of making plots a new window like matlab. Probably to let engineers feel at home | 22:09 |
| gremble | Luckily there are no semi-colon's though | 22:09 |
| superfly | Time for me to hit the hay folks. Night! | 22:10 |
| gremble | Cheers superfly | 22:10 |
| kulelu88 | cheers | 22:12 |
| gremble | kulelu88: Why are you learning python? :o | 22:17 |
| kulelu88 | ehh, I think I am at the implementation level now . no more learning for loops for me :/ | 22:18 |
| kulelu88 | gremble: is jy n bietjie dronk? | 22:18 |
| gremble | I don't believe so, why? I do remeber that you are a programmer or do some sort of programming, just curious as to why something new | 22:19 |
| kulelu88 | I'm confused by the "why something new" part. Is that a reference to "why do you want a low level python?" ?? | 22:23 |
| gremble | No python. I don't recall you being a python dev? (But it is possible that I have had a concussion in my sleep and am suddenly retarded, because I've been mentally slow the entire day) | 22:24 |
| kulelu88 | Python is my go-to language. | 22:27 |
| kulelu88 | I was building a bot in it | 22:27 |
| gremble | Oh | 22:27 |
| gremble | TIL | 22:27 |
| gremble | my bad | 22:27 |
| kulelu88 | TIL I also just found out what TIL is | 22:28 |
| gremble | xD | 22:29 |
| gremble | This machine learning stuff is fun | 22:29 |
| kulelu88 | I think I'm going to try installing Vala and Genie via docker in a little while | 22:29 |
| gremble | Right now I am just doing mathematical modelling in python | 22:29 |
| gremble | But it is pretty cool :o | 22:29 |
| kulelu88 | you can earn about $80 per hour (with the right company) doing data science work | 22:31 |
| gremble | If I can do it remotely that would be amazing | 22:31 |
| kulelu88 | you need a bit of experience though. granted, YOU probably don't, but someone will say you do | 22:32 |
| gremble | I probably do anyway | 22:32 |
| gremble | But the internet is full of data | 22:32 |
| gremble | And I am full of science | 22:32 |
| gremble | :D | 22:32 |
| gremble | Besides, I am so I can find a researcher at UP that could also do with an RE that can do some data manipulation | 22:33 |
| gremble | RA* Research assistant | 22:34 |
| kulelu88 | I know a guy | 22:34 |
| kulelu88 | :D | 22:35 |
| gremble | Haha As soon as I can model the shit out of everything, ima hit you up | 22:35 |
| gremble | :P | 22:36 |
| kulelu88 | I need to try this out also. Data science is fun. I'd like to make economic models | 22:37 |
| kulelu88 | My first project would be "The nerd hot babe detector" | 22:39 |
| kulelu88 | *"The (made for nerds) hot babe detector" | 22:39 |
| gremble | Haha | 22:40 |
| gremble | A corollary is the crazy girl detector | 22:40 |
| kulelu88 | or "based on how hot she is, here is the probability of her being vain" | 22:41 |
| gremble | That sounds more like data science | 22:42 |
| gremble | Although you would have to find an objective definition of "hotness" | 22:42 |
| kulelu88 | lucky there's no opposite genders lurking here, otherwise they'd tweet about us being bros here :D | 22:42 |
| kulelu88 | I think based on weight, height, hair colour, we could classify woman who *may* be attractive | 22:43 |
| kulelu88 | oh and bust | 22:43 |
| gremble | Well, that should be a clear indication that it is a bad idea | 22:43 |
| gremble | xD | 22:43 |
| kulelu88 | *women | 22:44 |
| gremble | wow | 23:15 |
| gremble | It is quite late already | 23:15 |
| gremble | :o | 23:15 |
| gremble | I'm going to bounce | 23:23 |
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