[05:22] good morning [05:55] morning all [06:10] hi pieter2627 [06:10] morning all and oom Kilos [06:11] lekker gereen van oggend [06:11] 6.5mm rain last night [06:11] en krag af meeste van die nag ook [06:11] ai! [06:11] haha, ons sin aan vir a slag [06:12] haha [06:13] teen minste nie so erg - het eintlik net gister se shedding gemis nadat elke dag die week af was [06:13] sjoe ons was nog nie een keer af nie [06:14] net gisteraand van die storm [06:15] wb magespawn [06:32] morning [06:32] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:47] good mornings [06:49] hi inetpro mazal [06:49] More oom [06:49] Morning everyone [06:49] TGIF !!!! [07:50] hmm... [08:05] do we still have members in durban [08:05] dbnlug is planning lp1 courses and the lp11 guys will help them [08:06] LPI Southern Africa, would like to assist [08:07] wwk doing good down there [08:07] pity he forget to irc [08:07] forgets [08:36] Cryterion is in that region [08:36] aha ty ThatGraemeGuy [08:56] * Cryterion is in Dbn [09:04] Cryterion did you read [09:05] ill try remember to get wwk here to the meeting next weekso you guys can meet [09:05] or do you know him already [09:06] very nice guy and always helpful [09:07] or pm me your email address and ill forward his mail to you [09:07] * mazal peeks in for 5 min [09:08] It's one of those Fridays that's Monday [09:08] iirc it was an idea to get ubuntu peeps and lugs to work together and wwk agrees [09:08] ai! mazal wat nou [09:08] just fix things man [09:08] Oom , lot's of pebkac and crap domain and crap technitians problems today [09:09] And people not listening , and people not reading [09:09] ai! [09:09] etc. etc. etc. [09:09] people never listen anymore [09:09] yu should be used to that by now [09:09] And quick favor this and quick favor that [09:09] lol [09:09] Which is never quick [09:10] And it always amazes me how quickly people suddenly develop a "problem" when they see you [09:11] You go for 1 thing and wind up with 20 [09:11] maaz it's time [09:11] mazal: What? [09:11] maaz time for lunch [09:11] mazal: Huh? [09:12] * mazal has a cheeseburger on the way :) [09:19] hmm... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949106/software-web/one-ubuntu-pc-maker-is-kicking-adobe-flash-off-its-linux-systems.html [09:25] Kilos yes I did read, where could I get more info on it? [09:26] hi mazal [10:17] Cryterion i asked wwk to approve you [10:17] might need to be vince0 that does it, i forget [10:19] here is their site methinks http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=10 [10:19] 'lo [10:20] we as buntu peeps need to work more at getting lugs peeps onto irc [10:20] hi Squirm [10:20] Fighting with ssh-agent and git :/ [10:20] ai! [10:22] I need to start ssh-agent, add a key and clone a few repo's in one scipt [10:22] For the life of me, I can't get it working [10:24] Not authenticating :/ [10:24] ai! [10:25] Hi Cryterion , sorry I was attacked swamp here by lots of users again [10:28] Using hashicorp's Atlas. Somehow the ssh command is run as root, but the rest of the commands are run as user [10:29] Squirm: and the user cannot run the commands as root? [10:30] magespawn: now that I know the ssh command runs as root. I can work around it [10:30] hi magespawn [10:30] We're trying to get packer to build our dev box on Atlas, as apposed to running it locally [10:30] does it run as root automatically? [10:30] hi Kilos [10:30] magespawn: yes :/ [10:30] hmm [10:31] "ssh-add" runs as root, where "ssh -vT git@bitbucket.org" is running as the user [10:31] sorry, swapped around :D [10:31] "ssh-add" runs as the user, where "ssh -vT git@bitbucket.org" is running as root [10:33] NOTE: as of today (July 23, 2015), Ubuntu 14.10 is no longer supported... [10:35] * Kilos no worry [10:35] im happy with 14.04 [11:08] Oe nice , I just discobered I have 10gig spare in the bank :) [11:08] discovered* [11:27] sjoe [11:28] Hallo oom [11:31] Guys what is a good brand to look at when concidering an SSD ? [11:31] Squirm [11:31] Kilos: ? [11:31] can you help please [11:32] With? [11:32] Good day [11:32] Does anybody know where Red Hat Administration Training is done. My [11:32] organization would like to send someone for training. [11:32] Where are they based? [11:32] this is from some other country in africa [11:32] i forget where [11:33] http://www.redhat.com/en/services/training/locations-facilities#emea [11:33] oh i think ghana lug [11:33] ty [11:33] or zim [11:35] all these emails drive me nuts [11:35] i should say more nuts [11:38] Home time [11:39] lekker [12:14] hi qwebirc80545 [12:15] Hi Kilos, this is my first time here [12:16] welcome to ubuntu-za [12:16] if you need help just state what you need [12:19] We should reach out to LUGs in Asia. [12:19] :P [12:19] lol we need to get all africa lugs first stickyboy [12:19] k [12:20] but the rest of the world will be next, dont worry [12:20] do they make nice feta? [12:22] Thanks for the welcome. I will do ask and keep in touch as I am planning to to fully migrate to Ubuntu. I'm running a dual boot machine and two other machines and a server running Ubuntu. So I am excited being here [12:23] great qwebirc80545 yu can start by getting a proper irc client like hexchat if you are using unity] [12:23] then you done have to come via the site or browser [12:23] dont [12:24] Hi qwebirc80545 , welcome :) [12:24] Great, I'll sure get the client, [12:24] Hello mazal :D [12:24] you know how to use the terminal [12:25] then its simple [12:25] Hey , that's the best smile I got all day :) [12:25] haha [12:25] Even oom Kilos gave me cold shoulder today :( [12:25] never man [12:25] is [12:25] :D [12:26] i was busy in africa most likely [12:26] I am right here in africa as well [12:26] haha yes I am able to use terminal [12:26] and im looking at the frree electricity video in between [12:26] right qwebirc80545 type in [12:26] sudo apt-get install hexchat [12:27] ok , time to start shutting down [12:27] I'll have to do that when I get home, mean time I'll copy that command , thanks kilos [12:28] Have a nice afternoon everyone [12:28] Bye for now [12:28] cool qwebirc80545 we are here most of the time [12:28] chers mazal [12:28] cheers [12:28] Cheers all [12:28] Cheers maaz [12:29] maaz bye [12:29] Cheers mazal [12:29] daarsy :) [12:29] lol [12:29] lol [12:30] Cheers mazal, @kilos That's awesome. Plus tomorrow there is a server I need to finish installing and configuring so I'm gonna need advice on that [12:30] haha [12:30] well you have come to the right place [12:30] tomorrow this place is a ghost town [12:30] lol [12:31] I'll be around configuring a server tomorrow as well [12:31] there you go [12:31] Well then I'll have to ask you guys now then, but Cryterion to my rescue :) [12:31] sounds like work [12:31] and I don't work on weekends [12:32] well unless stuff breaks [12:32] the ubuntu-za team always has answers [12:32] but not this weekend [12:32] * Cryterion logs onto ThatGraemeGuy's server to go break it [12:32] good luck with that :) [12:33] many of us are here 7 days a week qwebirc80545 [12:33] So I must try? ;) [12:33] it's your minetest game, be my guest [12:33] lol [12:33] lol, I know [12:33] there's nothing else on there to break [12:33] haha [12:37] have a good weekend everyone, it's beer o'clock [12:38] enjoy, I have to wait :( [12:38] As I am going to install a server, I can either install it as a virtual machine or dedicate a machine to operate only Ubuntu Server, right now I am thinking of installing Ubuntu desktop then run Ubuntu Server on a virtual machine. The idea is to host multiple website on those servers but I am concerned with regards to performance and maintenance [12:41] Cryterion your turn [12:42] Just run with the desktop version, you can add in the extra packages to make it a full server [12:42] So it'll become a server with a gui [12:43] qwebirc80545: personal sites? [12:43] i ran server on a seperate machine [12:44] Not sure yet how to add multiple sites yet, but I run a single .co.za domain on 14.04lts desktop [12:44] Both personal and non personal. Yes its going to be on a separate machine [12:45] Apache is able to create virtual host for different websites [12:45] there might not be a reason to create a VM for each - VMs take a lot of resources [12:45] Yes apache can, just haven't done that yet [12:46] pieter2627 Virtual Hosts not VM's is what Apache does [12:46] * pieter2627 personally likes containers over VM - quick to build, move and use less resources [12:47] Cryterion: exactly, but sounded like he wanted to create a vm for each (or i am not reading properly) [12:48] Think he mean 1 machine with the desktop, and a VM for the server OS [12:49] 'host multiple website on those servers' threw me off [12:49] thought so :) [12:49] I tried the virtual host on a virtual server, but I wondered about VM 's for each website on a single desktop [12:50] that'll be a waste of resources as pieter said with multiple vm's [12:52] I would just let Apache handle the seperating of each site [12:52] rather use a VM for each service (mySQL, apache, etc.) [12:53] pieter2627: How do you use containers in production? [12:53] Buy a server on AWS or Linode and run containers on it? [12:53] SSH to the host and deploy containers? [12:53] I just can't wrap my head around it. [12:54] Cryterion That is what I need to know, so running mysql, apace etc as vm's won't waste resources? [12:54] Also, I hate the Docker jargon, branding, fanbois, etc. Ugh. [12:54] stickyboy: i only use containers for dev and home server [12:54] pieter2627: Ah. [12:55] this might help http://myownhomeserver.com/2012/12/how-to-create-multiple-websites-using-apache-xampp/ [12:56] https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html [12:56] stickyboy: but i have seen tools to move containers to productions servers effortlessly when i looked into containers [12:57] * pieter2627 remembers using webmin in his earlier days with apache... too bad that it is no longer an option [12:58] qwebirc80545 this could help you for the multiple MySQL servers https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/multiple-servers.html [12:59] pieter2627: Right now I'm into Ansible, templates, host and group variables, etc. [12:59] I think I'll just watch the container stuff evolve a bit more. [13:00] stickyboy: have no idea what any are [13:00] Thanks Cryterion, I would have been knocking my head all day and night about this. I'm clear headed now [13:01] qwebirc80545 The way I see it just passing through those sites is run 1 Apache Server, then multiple instances of MySQL, 1 for each site [13:01] yw :) [13:02] Cryterion: why multiple instances of MySQL? [13:03] 1 for each site 1 instance/server, each on it's own thread, rather than a vm running extra background stuff to run it [13:03] qwebirc80545: ubuntu server also has a minimal install option that is great for VMs [13:04] Cryterion: 1 VM, multiple instances? [13:05] a vm would make a new machine, needing a kernel, background io stuff, apache on each [13:06] Why run multiple vm's, multiple Apache servers when mysql only has to be multiple [13:07] * pieter2627 thinks one VM with multiple mySQL instances is great, just wanted to make it clear [13:07] So I would run apache with virtual hosts containing different sites and multiple vm's with mysql on each one... [13:08] No, apache running, and just multiple instances of mysql [13:08] If you put mysql into a vm, i'll need it own apache server [13:09] Multiple MySQL databases... one instance... [13:09] All of it can run on a desktop ubuntu, no need for a vm [13:11] For a start i would suggest one machine for all like Cryterion just said [13:11] stickyboy I think rather multiple instances, as multiple databases would probably become multiple database to 1 site [13:13] Cryterion: Multiple instances means more overhead... [13:14] Just use naming prefixes for your databases: site1_blah, site1_omg [13:14] Seriously, it's what you are supposed to do. [13:15] qwebirc80545 maybe tryout what stickyboy is saying, ^^^^^ [13:15] That being for MySQL [13:15] What if I need a fallover? Should it be multiple mysql? [13:15] qwebirc80545: Failover on another machine? Yes. [13:17] Ok I need to write this down [13:19] Well the failover thing is just common sense. [13:20] If attempting to protect from hardware failure, then you need to have a MySQL slave. [13:20] (on a separate machine) [13:23] Yes of course === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away [13:26] I have read through the next meeting's agenda, and I'll signup === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus [14:00] qwebirc80545 welcome aboard [14:00] best channel to be on hey [14:05] Thanks Kikos it is very helpful [14:45] qwyou still here? [14:46] you can join us you know [14:46] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za [14:47] become part of the coolest community around [14:48] aw [14:48] oh well [14:48] more is nog n dag [14:49] sjoe inetpro jy nog nie huis toe nie? [15:04] hi kulelu88 mazal [15:04] ohi Private_User [15:05] hi [15:16] hello [17:08] * Cryterion waits patiently for Ubuntu server 15.04 to download [17:10] hi Kilos [17:20] ai! [17:24] oi! [17:31] ui! [17:32] lol [17:33] ish! [17:33] ish is an ubuntu guy in mauritius [17:34] eish! [17:34] lol [17:34] Cryterion wht 15.04 [17:34] he is irish :-D [17:34] why [17:35] I rish [17:35] is server support longer? [17:36] you should told the new guy we here dark times as well [17:38] 15.04 is latest stable, I wanted to go server only, anything above 15.04 is 64-bit, needed a 32-bit version [17:39] The newguy wanted a desktop and server, hence where the VM came in [17:39] yeah but isnt it only 6 months support [17:40] 9 [17:40] I think [17:40] oi! [17:40] even if only 6months is fine for me now [17:40] against 5 years for lts [17:40] oh ok [17:41] It's a tryout for me, putting it on a seperate hdd so I can just swop out on the machine [17:41] ok [17:44] oh Cryterion [17:45] you going to use the scond drive as a vm from the first drive? [17:45] second [17:46] nope, physical swop out [17:46] o [17:46] machine can only hold the 1 hdd [17:47] aw [17:47] laptop? [17:48] I needed to start from a scratch install to setup iRedMail, so thought I'd try out server only this time [17:48] ok [17:48] very mini pc, mecer nettop [17:48] the size of my to hands put together [17:49] two* [17:49] wow [17:49] ok now lets say [17:50] if i put a second drive in a laptop in place of the dvdrom [17:50] physically won't fit [17:50] could i install server on a vm there and use it [17:51] oh wont it [17:51] aw [17:51] vm is virtual, needs to run under the main os [17:51] you can't run the vm without the main os running [17:51] oh cant it use another drive [17:52] the vm i mean [17:52] yes can, for it's storage, but the other drive would have to mounted in the main os first [17:53] yes [17:53] so then it becomes like just another partition [17:53] yes [17:54] and you can allocate whatever space needed be the vm there [17:54] cool [17:55] be back in a bit, need to go pickup my daughter [18:15] good evening [18:15] evening [18:18] how are you Cryterion ? [18:23] that good, wow [18:27] Maaz seen Kilos [18:27] magespawn: Kilos was last seen 32 minutes and 34 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-24 10:54:28 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-24 11:02:14 PDT [18:46] ai! [19:01] wb Cryterion === MaNL is now known as MaNI [19:03] tks inetpro [19:04] MaNI: what's the difference? [19:04] L & I are different!! [19:04] hmm... [19:05] left and in? [19:05] maybe, not sure [19:07] someone was impersonating me (taking advantage of the two chars looking similar in certain fonts) [19:07] so I registered it as my alt (for when I timeout) to prevent it happening again [19:08] ah [19:08] don't ever trust sans fonts for important stuff :) [19:11] Cryterion: how's your installation going? [19:15] Ohi [19:16] 15.04 gets stuck at ifup-wait-all-auto.service and can't do anything from there inetpro [19:16] don't ever trust sans fonts for important stuff :) [19:16] eish! [19:16] So true [19:17] waiting for 14.04 to finish downloading, then gonna try that [19:18] can't even ssh into the 15.04, just refuses the connection, grrr [19:18] evening all [19:18] hiya Private_User [19:18] hi Cryterion [19:20] looks like he has inetpro blems, lol [19:20] ai! [19:21] looks like a known bug as well [19:22] will look later, anyway need to go for a bit to pick up son [19:23] wb Private_User [19:23] thanks inetpro [19:23] my connection seems to be very slow at the moment [19:23] getting ping responses of like over 3000ms [19:24] and request time outs [19:28] oh well I might as well bbl hopefully when I get back the connection has improved [19:28] BBL people [19:40] Hi all. Cryterion you already started with the installation? [19:41] bed time, good night all [19:41] mekiss, yes had completed the installation [19:53] whos in mauritius here? [20:00] sigh [20:11] sup [20:11] gremble wb [20:11] How are you Kilos? [20:11] just before i go to bed [20:11] good ty and you? [20:12] I am well thank you [20:12] im trying to remember how clever you are [20:12] Not very [20:12] :P [20:12] Why? [20:12] who does soldering and stuff? not you? [20:12] No, I have never been very good at soldering [20:13] I don't have enough hands [20:13] lol [20:13] I'd like to learn though [20:13] i found how to make free power [20:13] i will help you get soldering right [20:13] its all in the temperature [20:14] im gonna spam here with good links [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOq9C3YSjKg [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vF--q3swQ&feature=youtu.be&t=8m53s [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDretlCt8g [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9XnP0jI38 [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ7I9XgaW3A [20:14] wacth them and see if you keen [20:14] free as in free beer? [20:15] im going to start the hendershot fuelless generator as soon as i can get the caps and magnet [20:15] free [20:15] out the air [20:15] them guys researchd teslas work and got it working [20:16] should actually tweet and g+ and fb that before they have "accidents"\ [20:16] "To date no successful device exists that will be allowed to be independently and credibly tested" Would be nice to see a paper published about it [20:17] who can stop you doing stuff at home [20:17] No one [20:17] ofc [20:17] I don't know. Electricity from air doesn't sound plausible, considering how much we use [20:17] ^ [20:18] i will start the first one and let you know when it works [20:18] Please do [20:18] that hendershot stuff is an age old scam :p though as long as you have fun and don't kill yourself I guess no harm [20:18] the one guy uses 36 volts to make big power [20:18] I am scepticle, but I will certainly not dissuade you. I like being surprised :D [20:19] but i want to do the first one then not need batteries as well [20:19]