| Kilos | morning all | 03:48 |
|---|---|---|
| mekiss | Morning | 04:05 |
| Kilos | hi mekiss | 04:05 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 04:06 |
| mekiss | Hey Kilos, thanks. I'm that guy you where chatting with yesterday | 04:06 |
| Kilos | oh | 04:07 |
| Kilos | the new ubuntu user | 04:07 |
| Kilos | have you been successful | 04:07 |
| Kilos | i actually saw you go offline last night | 04:08 |
| mekiss | yeah...had questions about how to install ubuntu server you guys helped me out. | 04:08 |
| Kilos | i hope everything worked, you know more than me | 04:09 |
| Kilos | im a greeter bot | 04:09 |
| mekiss | oh nice, I havent started installing it yet, my wifi battery died and I lost my charger | 04:11 |
| Kilos | ai! | 04:11 |
| Kilos | well you know where we are and we here most of the time | 04:12 |
| Kilos | you welcome to hang here 24/7 | 04:12 |
| mekiss | And I appreciate that :). I'll always be here too | 04:14 |
| Kilos | cool, all my waking hours are here | 04:14 |
| mekiss | Thats awesome. I'm busy downloading different flavours of Ubuntu for my friends and family | 04:15 |
| Kilos | get one of them to try kubuntu | 04:16 |
| Kilos | i am still using 14.04 because it is long term support | 04:16 |
| mekiss | Kubuntu 14.04? | 04:17 |
| Kilos | bit yes | 04:17 |
| Kilos | very bulletproof | 04:17 |
| mekiss | for real? thats what I want | 04:18 |
| mekiss | Need actually | 04:18 |
| Kilos | imo its the best | 04:18 |
| Kilos | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ | 04:19 |
| Kilos | there must be a 14.04.1 and maybe a 14.04.2 | 04:19 |
| Kilos | im not sure when .2 is released | 04:20 |
| mekiss | Nice. I decided to go full ubuntu, dumping windows for good. I also started introducing ubuntu to my friends and family, my younger sister and a friend run only Ubuntu on their machines and they love it | 04:21 |
| Kilos | wonderful | 04:21 |
| Kilos | tell them any help needed is right here | 04:22 |
| mekiss | Will do so Kilos | 04:22 |
| Kilos | where did you get such a clever sister? | 04:23 |
| Kilos | shame on you | 04:23 |
| mekiss | Lol hahaha thats why I decided to go full ubuntu | 04:24 |
| Kilos | clever girl | 04:24 |
| mekiss | She's 12 and I want her to be exposed to all of this, and to start developing on Ubuntu as well | 04:25 |
| Kilos | wonderful | 04:26 |
| Kilos | is she on ubuntu or kubuntu | 04:26 |
| mekiss | Ubuntu | 04:26 |
| Kilos | i think kde has more tools built in already | 04:26 |
| Kilos | if you go kubuntu then you use quassel or konversation for irc | 04:27 |
| Kilos | hexchat is for unity peeps | 04:27 |
| mekiss | Ok. So KDE is Kubuntu and Unity for Ubuntu, whats the difference? | 04:28 |
| Kilos | the gui | 04:28 |
| mekiss | Oh | 04:28 |
| Kilos | totally different | 04:28 |
| Kilos | kde is a bit of a learning curve , but once you settle in you wont change | 04:29 |
| Kilos | it just does everything better | 04:29 |
| mekiss | Yeah. This will be my time trying anything but Ubuntu | 04:29 |
| Kilos | i liked unity as well but had probs often | 04:30 |
| Kilos | ive been onkde now for a year | 04:30 |
| Kilos | my daughter tried unity and loved it | 04:30 |
| Kilos | my son loves kde | 04:31 |
| mekiss | Wow I'm sure you so proud | 04:31 |
| Kilos | yeah, my son uses kde from a flash drive to repair his clients pcs | 04:32 |
| mekiss | I have'nt ran into issues with Ubuntu yet but since I'm going full scale I'll see for myself | 04:32 |
| Kilos | but my daughter has to use win7 for her audio recordings equipment and her tablet she draws on | 04:33 |
| Kilos | 14.04 unity must be pretty stable by now | 04:33 |
| mekiss | Man that is so awesome, at first I installed it as a back door for my files if windows crashes | 04:33 |
| Kilos | lol | 04:33 |
| mekiss | Your son is a genius | 04:34 |
| Kilos | nono you learn quick | 04:34 |
| mekiss | My friend is an artist so I told him about ubuntu studio and he is eager to try it | 04:35 |
| Kilos | you can install full ubuntu systems on a flash and boot from any pc and have your system right there with you | 04:35 |
| mekiss | Thats what I did when I installed ubuntu server, though it was intentional, it did not boot without my flash | 04:37 |
| Kilos | i gave up with windows and its crashes and malware and virus probs after 2 years or less on a pc | 04:37 |
| mekiss | meant it was not intentional | 04:37 |
| Kilos | you can do wonderful things with linux | 04:37 |
| mekiss | True, I got tired of fighting with viruses before I have to use my computer | 04:39 |
| Kilos | lol | 04:39 |
| Kilos | in ubuntu you just need to install gufw then you safe | 04:39 |
| Kilos | set to allow only outgoing | 04:40 |
| Kilos | then clever bad peeps cant hack in even | 04:40 |
| mekiss | Wow should install it on every machine | 04:41 |
| Kilos | its a tiny package and easy to set up | 04:42 |
| Kilos | you can guess i love ubuntu hey | 04:42 |
| Kilos | hehe | 04:42 |
| Kilos | i am totally hooked | 04:42 |
| mekiss | Lol haha I can relate | 04:43 |
| mekiss | You are married to it | 04:43 |
| mekiss | But its a wonderful unity to have lol | 04:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 04:44 |
| mekiss | So how did you know about Ubuntu? | 04:46 |
| Kilos | i asked around what can one do to not have virus probs and a neighbour gave me a 8.04 cd | 04:48 |
| mekiss | lol | 04:49 |
| Kilos | those days ubuntu was lots of work | 04:50 |
| mekiss | I can imagine the learning curve, didnt you feel like it was too much | 04:51 |
| Kilos | i batylled because i knew nearly nothing about pcs | 04:52 |
| Kilos | but the guys invited me here from the ubuntu mailing list and ive been here since | 04:52 |
| mekiss | Wow how long have you been here? | 04:53 |
| Kilos | um | 04:56 |
| Kilos | since 8.10 | 04:56 |
| Kilos | 8.04 i couldnt get to work with a cell phone | 04:57 |
| mekiss | mmm those where the early days | 04:58 |
| mekiss | I'm going offline, I should be back around 11 or 12 to start the installation | 04:58 |
| mekiss | Bye for now! | 04:58 |
| Kilos | go well | 04:59 |
| === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away | ||
| magespawn | good morning | 07:20 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 07:24 |
| Kilos | only 15°c max today here, sigh | 07:27 |
| MaNI | does anyone know a 'multi airline' flight search for south africa that doesn't suck? | 07:34 |
| MaNI | i.e. something like travelstart.co.za except they ruined that one | 07:34 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:35 |
| Kilos | where you wanna go | 07:35 |
| MaNI | cpt<>jhb | 07:36 |
| Kilos | only one i know that flew recently is | 07:37 |
| Kilos | um | 07:37 |
| Kilos | that guys down there thats been scarce for months | 07:37 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:37 |
| Kilos | padroni | 07:38 |
| Kilos | kept thinking of midori | 07:38 |
| MaNI | the problem is there are now at least 6 airline to choose from and 2 airports in JHB, most of those airlines don't let you easily search for multiple dates so it's 6*2*4 searches just to try narrow down best flight | 07:39 |
| MaNI | travelstart at least search both JHB airports and all airports at once | 07:39 |
| MaNI | so you just have to search multiple dates (because they removed the +-3 day search) | 07:39 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:40 |
| Kilos | fight with them | 07:40 |
| MaNI | I don't know why web developers always make web pages less usable | 07:40 |
| MaNI | its like some plague | 07:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:40 |
| Kilos | because they not linux peeps | 07:41 |
| MaNI | it works too well, quickly lets change the graphics and remove half the functionality in the process! | 07:41 |
| mekiss | Load Shedding :( | 12:06 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:08 |
| mekiss | I was about to install then lights went off | 12:08 |
| Kilos | sigh | 12:09 |
| Symmetria | mmmm | 12:24 |
| Symmetria | my bachelor party tonight | 12:24 |
| * Symmetria is nervous :P I have no idea what my psycho friends are planning | 12:24 | |
| Kilos | lol | 12:26 |
| Kilos | wbb soon | 14:33 |
| Trixar_za | Oo | 14:34 |
| Trixar_za | Enjoy Symmetria - also congrats on your future marriage | 14:34 |
| Kilos | hi Trixar_za | 14:35 |
| Trixar_za | Hi Kilos | 14:35 |
| Kilos | i forgot one can close a popup that shows pc working so i couldnt see text here | 14:36 |
| Kilos | mekiss you winning | 14:36 |
| Trixar_za | Playing Final Fantasy IX in the background :P | 14:40 |
| mekiss | Yes I installed ubuntu successfully and now I'm going to install LAMP Applications | 15:00 |
| Kilos | cool, you done updates? | 15:01 |
| mekiss | Yes I am updating it now | 15:06 |
| Kilos | using the update manager | 15:06 |
| Kilos | you will see most guys here use the terminal for nearly everything | 15:07 |
| Kilos | 2 simple commands | 15:07 |
| mekiss | Lol yeah I like the terminal as well, teaching myself how I to use it | 15:12 |
| Kilos | just write down the commands the guys use | 15:12 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get update | 15:12 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get upgrade | 15:12 |
| mekiss | Thanks let me do that | 15:13 |
| mekiss | Question, on my machine I have two hard drives but none of them appear under devices. How do I make them appear under devices? | 15:19 |
| Kilos | what is on them | 15:19 |
| Kilos | are you using kde? | 15:19 |
| mekiss | One is the OS the other has nothing, I'm using Unity | 15:20 |
| Kilos | in unity they should show on the panel on the left | 15:21 |
| Kilos | im busy setting unity up so i can see what you seeing | 15:21 |
| mekiss | exactly, but they don't show | 15:21 |
| Kilos | on your left tick on the button or icon called files | 15:22 |
| Kilos | it will show then name when you hover the mouse over it | 15:23 |
| Kilos | the name | 15:23 |
| mekiss | I did open folders then went to Computer but nothing but installation files. | 15:25 |
| Kilos | you sure the second drive is connected | 15:26 |
| Kilos | try running lshw in terminal | 15:26 |
| mekiss | Yes, during the installation I had to choose the drives I should install in | 15:26 |
| mekiss | Ok | 15:27 |
| Kilos | it will show all hardware | 15:27 |
| mekiss | Yes I can see all the hard dries | 15:31 |
| mekiss | drives | 15:31 |
| Kilos | i dont know what you see the second one as | 15:32 |
| Kilos | but try sudo mount /device/sdb | 15:32 |
| Kilos | or sdb1 | 15:32 |
| mekiss | There's no indication of primary or slave, let me run that command | 15:33 |
| Kilos | if it is sdb it will show on the panel | 15:34 |
| mekiss | Logical name: /dev/sdb | 15:36 |
| Kilos | if im slow its because im watching rugby with my daughter | 15:36 |
| Kilos | yes | 15:36 |
| Kilos | sometimes you need to use /dev/sdb1 | 15:36 |
| mekiss | Ok | 15:37 |
| mekiss | It says cant find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab | 15:39 |
| stickyboy | I converted an ext4 md RAID1 to btrfs last night. | 15:40 |
| stickyboy | Can I get a round of applause? | 15:40 |
| Kilos | lol i dont even know what that is | 15:41 |
| Kilos | oh you raiding the 2 drives? | 15:41 |
| Kilos | do they then still show as individual drives | 15:41 |
| Kilos | ive never done that | 15:41 |
| mekiss | Yes I wanna do that | 15:41 |
| Kilos | reason? | 15:42 |
| stickyboy | btrfs manages the drives. It's a logical volume manager. :D | 15:42 |
| stickyboy | mekiss: Are these two drives new or something | 15:43 |
| mekiss | One is only 350Gigs the other is 1TB | 15:43 |
| stickyboy | ? | 15:43 |
| mekiss | new and old respectively | 15:44 |
| mekiss | Both drives logical names are the same | 15:44 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:45 |
| stickyboy | mekiss: Sorry, as in, do they have data on them already or you want to re-format them? | 15:45 |
| mekiss | they have nothing on them | 15:46 |
| Kilos | are they formtatted | 15:46 |
| mekiss | Yes | 15:46 |
| Kilos | ok open gparted | 15:47 |
| Kilos | it will see whats going on in there | 15:47 |
| Kilos | stickyboy knows more he admins many servers | 15:48 |
| mekiss | R0d3rt | 15:56 |
| mekiss | the second drive is unallocated | 15:58 |
| Kilos | in gparted? | 15:59 |
| mekiss | Yes | 15:59 |
| Kilos | then its easy to fix | 15:59 |
| mekiss | :) | 15:59 |
| Kilos | tick one it so it lights up | 15:59 |
| Kilos | then tick partitions at the top | 16:00 |
| Kilos | and it will give options for it | 16:00 |
| Kilos | learn to use gparted ell before you start ticking all the top buttons | 16:00 |
| mekiss | Yes, I see options | 16:00 |
| Kilos | ticking wrong ones can cause you to lose everything | 16:01 |
| mekiss | Let me read about it online | 16:01 |
| Kilos | what are the options | 16:01 |
| Kilos | new is one i think | 16:01 |
| mekiss | New is disabled, its delete, format to and manage flags | 16:03 |
| Kilos | format to | 16:04 |
| Kilos | ext4 | 16:04 |
| Kilos | do you want that drive as a secong bootable drive maybe | 16:04 |
| Kilos | hi gremble | 16:04 |
| gremble | Hey Kilos | 16:04 |
| Kilos | second | 16:05 |
| mekiss | No its not, the new options is enabled but a partition table is required | 16:06 |
| gremble | And a filesystem | 16:07 |
| mekiss | So I'm creating a partition table | 16:07 |
| Kilos | thyen tick new | 16:07 |
| mekiss | File system is unallocated | 16:07 |
| Kilos | did you tick new | 16:08 |
| Kilos | then it will allocate it as something | 16:08 |
| mekiss | Yes, but it needs a partition table first | 16:08 |
| Kilos | yes | 16:08 |
| Kilos | do you want to use it for storage? | 16:09 |
| mekiss | Yes | 16:09 |
| Kilos | then just use the whole thing as one large partition | 16:09 |
| Kilos | or two or three | 16:10 |
| Kilos | hehe | 16:10 |
| Kilos | to name the drive storge | 16:10 |
| mekiss | Ok the partition table needs a partition type | 16:10 |
| Kilos | where it says mount point type in /storage | 16:10 |
| gremble | MBR is the old one with BIOS, GPT is the modern partition type | 16:11 |
| gremble | I suggest trying to see whether GPT is the correct one for you | 16:11 |
| Kilos | ty gremble | 16:12 |
| gremble | Although I am not sure as to whether different drives should have the same partition type | 16:12 |
| gremble | But probably not | 16:12 |
| gremble | maaz weather | 16:16 |
| Maaz | gremble: What? | 16:16 |
| === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus | ||
| Kilos | lol | 16:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz foecast pretoria | 16:17 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Huh? | 16:17 |
| Kilos | ai! | 16:17 |
| gremble | maaz forecast pretoria | 16:17 |
| Maaz | gremble: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High: | 16:17 |
| Maaz | 24° C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Cle… | 16:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz forecast pretoria | 16:17 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 24° | 16:17 |
| Maaz | C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Clear… | 16:17 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:17 |
| Kilos | you too fast | 16:17 |
| gremble | It's going to be cold as tits tonight | 16:18 |
| Kilos | already is here | 16:18 |
| gremble | Yes, my phone says that it is 16 though. It's not supposed to be this cold when it is 16 | 16:18 |
| gremble | I think it is the moisture cooling it off | 16:18 |
| Kilos | yeah breeze over moisture | 16:19 |
| gremble | Ah the weather people say it is 12.8 | 16:20 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 16:20 |
| stickyboy | mekiss: If you're on Ubuntu 14.04 or newer, go with GPT. :P | 16:21 |
| stickyboy | And use gdisk on the command line. Advanced, but winning. :P | 16:21 |
| gremble | or parted | 16:21 |
| gremble | I heard that parted is easier to use | 16:21 |
| gremble | stickyboy: do you know if you have to have the 1007KiB at the beginning of a storage drive like you need to have for the bootable one? | 16:22 |
| gremble | My windows machine really doesn't like getting the power turned off while it is hibernating | 16:24 |
| gremble | xD | 16:24 |
| MaNI | huh, thats pretty much what hibernating is for, you don't mean sleeping? | 16:33 |
| gremble | Yes, sleeping. My bad | 16:33 |
| gremble | Anyone familiar with using containers? | 16:33 |
| MaNI | define 'containers', lxc, docker? | 16:34 |
| gremble | I assume as much. I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. I want to install anaconda on my machine without it actually being on my machine. So in my head, installing it on a container makes more sense | 16:35 |
| gremble | Whatever that may be | 16:35 |
| MaNI | I've briefly used lxc and haven't touched docker so not sure how much help I can be there, I usually just use kvm vms for everything :p | 16:37 |
| gremble | I don't know of a full vms would work for me, since I only have like 2gb ram to work with | 16:38 |
| stickyboy | gremble: parted's gpt support is deprecated. | 16:47 |
| stickyboy | So only use that if you're going to do MBR partitions. | 16:47 |
| stickyboy | gremble: Regarding the 1007KiB... I believe you're talking about aligning partitions to the hardware sectors? | 16:48 |
| stickyboy | gdisk does that automatically, yes. | 16:49 |
| stickyboy | You don't "have" to, but you definitely want to, or writes will be unaligned. | 16:50 |
| stickyboy | I've never paid much attention since gdisk does it automatically. :P | 16:51 |
| MaNI | 2gb is not a lot :( | 16:58 |
| MaNI | normally I would tell you about shared pages and how extra vms take up less memory than you might think, but yeah with 2gb lxc is probably a better bet :p | 16:59 |
| mekiss | Ok thanks guys it worked. | 17:00 |
| mekiss | Um I applied GPT and chose ext4 | 17:02 |
| gremble | I will go have a look. Thank you Maaz | 17:04 |
| gremble | MaNI | 17:04 |
| mekiss | kilos the hard drive shows | 17:05 |
| Kilos | yay | 17:09 |
| Kilos | well done | 17:09 |
| mekiss | Yeah thanks for the help all, I was in the dark there | 17:11 |
| Kilos | we going off in 30 mins | 17:27 |
| Kilos | so ill see you all tomorrow if power cuts | 17:27 |
| Kilos | there is another tool in unity that works well with drives | 17:28 |
| Kilos | disk utility | 17:28 |
| Kilos | or just disks, im not sure | 17:28 |
| mekiss | Ok I'll check it out, see you soon | 17:29 |
| Kilos | we lose power in a few minutes | 17:59 |
| Kilos | so night all . if i disappear | 18:00 |
| Kilos | sleep warm | 18:00 |
| gremble | Loadshedding was this morning, wasn't it? | 18:00 |
| mekiss | Night sleep warm | 18:00 |
| Kilos | ty | 18:00 |
| gremble | Oh, apparently he lives just far enough to not be in my loadshedding area | 18:03 |
| gremble | ' | 18:03 |
| gremble | superfly: www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/functional-programming-python.pdf | 18:11 |
| === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away | ||
| === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus | ||
| magespawn | good evening | 19:13 |
| gremble | I am watching the pilot episode of QI. It's amazing | 19:52 |
| Cryterion_ | watching BareFoot atm while configuring a server | 20:10 |
| === Cryterion_ is now known as Cryterion | ||
| Squirm | Evening | 20:24 |
| gremble | Hey Squirm | 20:26 |
| magespawn | hey Squirm gremble | 20:30 |
| gremble | Hey magespawn | 20:30 |
| Squirm | 'lo magespawn | 20:53 |
| Squirm | Plans for tomorrow? | 20:53 |
| magespawn | stay in bed, seems like a good one for now, sunday, and we are expecting cold weather | 21:08 |
| gremble | I did that today | 21:09 |
| gremble | It was amazing | 21:09 |
| magespawn | cool beans | 21:09 |
| magespawn | will also try to get through some more of coding lessons | 21:09 |
| gremble | What are you learning? | 21:09 |
| magespawn | i bought a whole load of courses on stack social, php, python, ruby, html, css | 21:11 |
| gremble | Oh nice | 21:11 |
| magespawn | started with the basic php first | 21:11 |
| magespawn | most of them are on Udemy, they have a android app that allows you to download the videos to watch offline | 21:13 |
| magespawn | so that works out nicely | 21:14 |
| gremble | It sounds quite nice | 21:15 |
| Squirm | Python is a good one | 21:17 |
| magespawn | i like the way yu can use all of those together, each seems to have strengths | 21:18 |
| magespawn | bed time for me, good night all | 21:19 |
| gremble | Cheers magespawn | 21:19 |
| Squirm | html and css are good if you want to make websites look pretty :) | 21:19 |
| Squirm | cheers | 21:19 |
| superfly | impossible. PHP has no strengths. | 21:20 |
| Squirm | superfly: agreed | 21:20 |
| Squirm | :P | 21:20 |
| magespawn | it has one | 21:20 |
| Squirm | But it was my first language :D | 21:20 |
| Squirm | and I needed to learn it | 21:21 |
| magespawn | well at least that i can think of | 21:21 |
| Squirm | Have to use it now days | 21:21 |
| magespawn | Squirm: that is my reasoning too | 21:21 |
| Squirm | magespawn: depends. I'd have been happy just learning python | 21:21 |
| magespawn | there are too many programmes etc written in PHP for me to ignore it, poor reason perhaps, but there we go | 21:22 |
| magespawn | now, before my modem dies, good night | 21:23 |
| superfly | It is better to learn python first. When you learn a real language after PHP, you have to unlearn so much rubbish. | 21:23 |
| gremble | You should learn PHP and then C. | 21:25 |
| gremble | You will be trying to debug so many segfaults :D | 21:25 |
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