[03:48] morning all [04:05] Morning [04:05] hi mekiss [04:06] welcome to ubuntu-za [04:06] Hey Kilos, thanks. I'm that guy you where chatting with yesterday [04:07] oh [04:07] the new ubuntu user [04:07] have you been successful [04:08] i actually saw you go offline last night [04:08] yeah...had questions about how to install ubuntu server you guys helped me out. [04:09] i hope everything worked, you know more than me [04:09] im a greeter bot [04:11] oh nice, I havent started installing it yet, my wifi battery died and I lost my charger [04:11] ai! [04:12] well you know where we are and we here most of the time [04:12] you welcome to hang here 24/7 [04:14] And I appreciate that :). I'll always be here too [04:14] cool, all my waking hours are here [04:15] Thats awesome. I'm busy downloading different flavours of Ubuntu for my friends and family [04:16] get one of them to try kubuntu [04:16] i am still using 14.04 because it is long term support [04:17] Kubuntu 14.04? [04:17] bit yes [04:17] very bulletproof [04:18] for real? thats what I want [04:18] Need actually [04:18] imo its the best [04:19] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ [04:19] there must be a 14.04.1 and maybe a 14.04.2 [04:20] im not sure when .2 is released [04:21] Nice. I decided to go full ubuntu, dumping windows for good. I also started introducing ubuntu to my friends and family, my younger sister and a friend run only Ubuntu on their machines and they love it [04:21] wonderful [04:22] tell them any help needed is right here [04:22] Will do so Kilos [04:23] where did you get such a clever sister? [04:23] shame on you [04:24] Lol hahaha thats why I decided to go full ubuntu [04:24] clever girl [04:25] She's 12 and I want her to be exposed to all of this, and to start developing on Ubuntu as well [04:26] wonderful [04:26] is she on ubuntu or kubuntu [04:26] Ubuntu [04:26] i think kde has more tools built in already [04:27] if you go kubuntu then you use quassel or konversation for irc [04:27] hexchat is for unity peeps [04:28] Ok. So KDE is Kubuntu and Unity for Ubuntu, whats the difference? [04:28] the gui [04:28] Oh [04:28] totally different [04:29] kde is a bit of a learning curve , but once you settle in you wont change [04:29] it just does everything better [04:29] Yeah. This will be my time trying anything but Ubuntu [04:30] i liked unity as well but had probs often [04:30] ive been onkde now for a year [04:30] my daughter tried unity and loved it [04:31] my son loves kde [04:31] Wow I'm sure you so proud [04:32] yeah, my son uses kde from a flash drive to repair his clients pcs [04:32] I have'nt ran into issues with Ubuntu yet but since I'm going full scale I'll see for myself [04:33] but my daughter has to use win7 for her audio recordings equipment and her tablet she draws on [04:33] 14.04 unity must be pretty stable by now [04:33] Man that is so awesome, at first I installed it as a back door for my files if windows crashes [04:33] lol [04:34] Your son is a genius [04:34] nono you learn quick [04:35] My friend is an artist so I told him about ubuntu studio and he is eager to try it [04:35] you can install full ubuntu systems on a flash and boot from any pc and have your system right there with you [04:37] Thats what I did when I installed ubuntu server, though it was intentional, it did not boot without my flash [04:37] i gave up with windows and its crashes and malware and virus probs after 2 years or less on a pc [04:37] meant it was not intentional [04:37] you can do wonderful things with linux [04:39] True, I got tired of fighting with viruses before I have to use my computer [04:39] lol [04:39] in ubuntu you just need to install gufw then you safe [04:40] set to allow only outgoing [04:40] then clever bad peeps cant hack in even [04:41] Wow should install it on every machine [04:42] its a tiny package and easy to set up [04:42] you can guess i love ubuntu hey [04:42] hehe [04:42] i am totally hooked [04:43] Lol haha I can relate [04:43] You are married to it [04:44] But its a wonderful unity to have lol [04:44] lol [04:46] So how did you know about Ubuntu? [04:48] i asked around what can one do to not have virus probs and a neighbour gave me a 8.04 cd [04:49] lol [04:50] those days ubuntu was lots of work [04:51] I can imagine the learning curve, didnt you feel like it was too much [04:52] i batylled because i knew nearly nothing about pcs [04:52] but the guys invited me here from the ubuntu mailing list and ive been here since [04:53] Wow how long have you been here? [04:56] um [04:56] since 8.10 [04:57] 8.04 i couldnt get to work with a cell phone [04:58] mmm those where the early days [04:58] I'm going offline, I should be back around 11 or 12 to start the installation [04:58] Bye for now! [04:59] go well === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away [07:20] good morning [07:24] hi magespawn [07:27] only 15°c max today here, sigh [07:34] does anyone know a 'multi airline' flight search for south africa that doesn't suck? [07:34] i.e. something like travelstart.co.za except they ruined that one [07:35] ai! [07:35] where you wanna go [07:36] cpt<>jhb [07:37] only one i know that flew recently is [07:37] um [07:37] that guys down there thats been scarce for months [07:37] ai! [07:38] padroni [07:38] kept thinking of midori [07:39] the problem is there are now at least 6 airline to choose from and 2 airports in JHB, most of those airlines don't let you easily search for multiple dates so it's 6*2*4 searches just to try narrow down best flight [07:39] travelstart at least search both JHB airports and all airports at once [07:39] so you just have to search multiple dates (because they removed the +-3 day search) [07:40] ai! [07:40] fight with them [07:40] I don't know why web developers always make web pages less usable [07:40] its like some plague [07:40] lol [07:41] because they not linux peeps [07:41] it works too well, quickly lets change the graphics and remove half the functionality in the process! [12:06] Load Shedding :( [12:08] ai! [12:08] I was about to install then lights went off [12:09] sigh [12:24] mmmm [12:24] my bachelor party tonight [12:24] * Symmetria is nervous :P I have no idea what my psycho friends are planning [12:26] lol [14:33] wbb soon [14:34] Oo [14:34] Enjoy Symmetria - also congrats on your future marriage [14:35] hi Trixar_za [14:35] Hi Kilos [14:36] i forgot one can close a popup that shows pc working so i couldnt see text here [14:36] mekiss you winning [14:40] Playing Final Fantasy IX in the background :P [15:00] Yes I installed ubuntu successfully and now I'm going to install LAMP Applications [15:01] cool, you done updates? [15:06] Yes I am updating it now [15:06] using the update manager [15:07] you will see most guys here use the terminal for nearly everything [15:07] 2 simple commands [15:12] Lol yeah I like the terminal as well, teaching myself how I to use it [15:12] just write down the commands the guys use [15:12] sudo apt-get update [15:12] sudo apt-get upgrade [15:13] Thanks let me do that [15:19] Question, on my machine I have two hard drives but none of them appear under devices. How do I make them appear under devices? [15:19] what is on them [15:19] are you using kde? [15:20] One is the OS the other has nothing, I'm using Unity [15:21] in unity they should show on the panel on the left [15:21] im busy setting unity up so i can see what you seeing [15:21] exactly, but they don't show [15:22] on your left tick on the button or icon called files [15:23] it will show then name when you hover the mouse over it [15:23] the name [15:25] I did open folders then went to Computer but nothing but installation files. [15:26] you sure the second drive is connected [15:26] try running lshw in terminal [15:26] Yes, during the installation I had to choose the drives I should install in [15:27] Ok [15:27] it will show all hardware [15:31] Yes I can see all the hard dries [15:31] drives [15:32] i dont know what you see the second one as [15:32] but try sudo mount /device/sdb [15:32] or sdb1 [15:33] There's no indication of primary or slave, let me run that command [15:34] if it is sdb it will show on the panel [15:36] Logical name: /dev/sdb [15:36] if im slow its because im watching rugby with my daughter [15:36] yes [15:36] sometimes you need to use /dev/sdb1 [15:37] Ok [15:39] It says cant find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [15:40] I converted an ext4 md RAID1 to btrfs last night. [15:40] Can I get a round of applause? [15:41] lol i dont even know what that is [15:41] oh you raiding the 2 drives? [15:41] do they then still show as individual drives [15:41] ive never done that [15:41] Yes I wanna do that [15:42] reason? [15:42] btrfs manages the drives. It's a logical volume manager. :D [15:43] mekiss: Are these two drives new or something [15:43] One is only 350Gigs the other is 1TB [15:43] ? [15:44] new and old respectively [15:44] Both drives logical names are the same [15:45] hehe [15:45] mekiss: Sorry, as in, do they have data on them already or you want to re-format them? [15:46] they have nothing on them [15:46] are they formtatted [15:46] Yes [15:47] ok open gparted [15:47] it will see whats going on in there [15:48] stickyboy knows more he admins many servers [15:56] R0d3rt [15:58] the second drive is unallocated [15:59] in gparted? [15:59] Yes [15:59] then its easy to fix [15:59] :) [15:59] tick one it so it lights up [16:00] then tick partitions at the top [16:00] and it will give options for it [16:00] learn to use gparted ell before you start ticking all the top buttons [16:00] Yes, I see options [16:01] ticking wrong ones can cause you to lose everything [16:01] Let me read about it online [16:01] what are the options [16:01] new is one i think [16:03] New is disabled, its delete, format to and manage flags [16:04] format to [16:04] ext4 [16:04] do you want that drive as a secong bootable drive maybe [16:04] hi gremble [16:04] Hey Kilos [16:05] second [16:06] No its not, the new options is enabled but a partition table is required [16:07] And a filesystem [16:07] So I'm creating a partition table [16:07] thyen tick new [16:07] File system is unallocated [16:08] did you tick new [16:08] then it will allocate it as something [16:08] Yes, but it needs a partition table first [16:08] yes [16:09] do you want to use it for storage? [16:09] Yes [16:09] then just use the whole thing as one large partition [16:10] or two or three [16:10] hehe [16:10] to name the drive storge [16:10] Ok the partition table needs a partition type [16:10] where it says mount point type in /storage [16:11] MBR is the old one with BIOS, GPT is the modern partition type [16:11] I suggest trying to see whether GPT is the correct one for you [16:12] ty gremble [16:12] Although I am not sure as to whether different drives should have the same partition type [16:12] But probably not [16:16] maaz weather [16:16] gremble: What? === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus [16:17] lol [16:17] Maaz foecast pretoria [16:17] Kilos: Huh? [16:17] ai! [16:17] maaz forecast pretoria [16:17] gremble: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High: [16:17] 24° C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Cle… [16:17] Maaz forecast pretoria [16:17] Kilos: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 24° [16:17] C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Clear… [16:17] haha [16:17] you too fast [16:18] It's going to be cold as tits tonight [16:18] already is here [16:18] Yes, my phone says that it is 16 though. It's not supposed to be this cold when it is 16 [16:18] I think it is the moisture cooling it off [16:19] yeah breeze over moisture [16:20] Ah the weather people say it is 12.8 [16:20] sjoe [16:21] mekiss: If you're on Ubuntu 14.04 or newer, go with GPT. :P [16:21] And use gdisk on the command line. Advanced, but winning. :P [16:21] or parted [16:21] I heard that parted is easier to use [16:22] stickyboy: do you know if you have to have the 1007KiB at the beginning of a storage drive like you need to have for the bootable one? [16:24] My windows machine really doesn't like getting the power turned off while it is hibernating [16:24] xD [16:33] huh, thats pretty much what hibernating is for, you don't mean sleeping? [16:33] Yes, sleeping. My bad [16:33] Anyone familiar with using containers? [16:34] define 'containers', lxc, docker? [16:35] I assume as much. I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. I want to install anaconda on my machine without it actually being on my machine. So in my head, installing it on a container makes more sense [16:35] Whatever that may be [16:37] I've briefly used lxc and haven't touched docker so not sure how much help I can be there, I usually just use kvm vms for everything :p [16:38] I don't know of a full vms would work for me, since I only have like 2gb ram to work with [16:47] gremble: parted's gpt support is deprecated. [16:47] So only use that if you're going to do MBR partitions. [16:48] gremble: Regarding the 1007KiB... I believe you're talking about aligning partitions to the hardware sectors? [16:49] gdisk does that automatically, yes. [16:50] You don't "have" to, but you definitely want to, or writes will be unaligned. [16:51] I've never paid much attention since gdisk does it automatically. :P [16:58] 2gb is not a lot :( [16:59] normally I would tell you about shared pages and how extra vms take up less memory than you might think, but yeah with 2gb lxc is probably a better bet :p [17:00] Ok thanks guys it worked. [17:02] Um I applied GPT and chose ext4 [17:04] I will go have a look. Thank you Maaz [17:04] MaNI [17:05] kilos the hard drive shows [17:09] yay [17:09] well done [17:11] Yeah thanks for the help all, I was in the dark there [17:27] we going off in 30 mins [17:27] so ill see you all tomorrow if power cuts [17:28] there is another tool in unity that works well with drives [17:28] disk utility [17:28] or just disks, im not sure [17:29] Ok I'll check it out, see you soon [17:59] we lose power in a few minutes [18:00] so night all . if i disappear [18:00] sleep warm [18:00] Loadshedding was this morning, wasn't it? [18:00] Night sleep warm [18:00] ty [18:03] Oh, apparently he lives just far enough to not be in my loadshedding area [18:03] ' [18:11] superfly: www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/functional-programming-python.pdf === rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away === Russ_|Away is now known as rusbus [19:13] good evening [19:52] I am watching the pilot episode of QI. It's amazing [20:10] watching BareFoot atm while configuring a server === Cryterion_ is now known as Cryterion [20:24] Evening [20:26] Hey Squirm [20:30] hey Squirm gremble [20:30] Hey magespawn [20:53] 'lo magespawn [20:53] Plans for tomorrow? [21:08] stay in bed, seems like a good one for now, sunday, and we are expecting cold weather [21:09] I did that today [21:09] It was amazing [21:09] cool beans [21:09] will also try to get through some more of coding lessons [21:09] What are you learning? [21:11] i bought a whole load of courses on stack social, php, python, ruby, html, css [21:11] Oh nice [21:11] started with the basic php first [21:13] most of them are on Udemy, they have a android app that allows you to download the videos to watch offline [21:14] so that works out nicely [21:15] It sounds quite nice [21:17] Python is a good one [21:18] i like the way yu can use all of those together, each seems to have strengths [21:19] bed time for me, good night all [21:19] Cheers magespawn [21:19] html and css are good if you want to make websites look pretty :) [21:19] cheers [21:20] impossible. PHP has no strengths. [21:20] superfly: agreed [21:20] :P [21:20] it has one [21:20] But it was my first language :D [21:21] and I needed to learn it [21:21] well at least that i can think of [21:21] Have to use it now days [21:21] Squirm: that is my reasoning too [21:21] magespawn: depends. I'd have been happy just learning python [21:22] there are too many programmes etc written in PHP for me to ignore it, poor reason perhaps, but there we go [21:23] now, before my modem dies, good night [21:23] It is better to learn python first. When you learn a real language after PHP, you have to unlearn so much rubbish. [21:25] You should learn PHP and then C. [21:25] You will be trying to debug so many segfaults :D