[03:48] <Kilos> morning all
[04:05] <mekiss> Morning
[04:05] <Kilos> hi mekiss 
[04:06] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[04:06] <mekiss> Hey Kilos, thanks. I'm that guy you where chatting with yesterday 
[04:07] <Kilos> oh
[04:07] <Kilos> the new ubuntu user
[04:07] <Kilos> have you been successful
[04:08] <Kilos> i actually saw you go offline last night
[04:08] <mekiss> yeah...had questions about how to install ubuntu server you guys helped me out. 
[04:09] <Kilos> i hope everything worked, you know more than me
[04:09] <Kilos> im a greeter bot
[04:11] <mekiss> oh nice, I havent started installing it yet, my wifi battery died and I lost my charger
[04:11] <Kilos> ai!
[04:12] <Kilos> well you know where we are and we here most of the time
[04:12] <Kilos> you welcome to hang here 24/7
[04:14] <mekiss> And I appreciate that :). I'll always be here too
[04:14] <Kilos> cool, all my waking hours are here
[04:15] <mekiss> Thats awesome. I'm busy downloading different flavours of Ubuntu for my friends and family
[04:16] <Kilos> get one of them to try kubuntu
[04:16] <Kilos> i am still using 14.04 because it is long term support
[04:17] <mekiss> Kubuntu 14.04?
[04:17] <Kilos> bit yes
[04:17] <Kilos> very bulletproof
[04:18] <mekiss> for real? thats what I want
[04:18] <mekiss> Need actually
[04:18] <Kilos> imo its the best
[04:19] <Kilos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[04:19] <Kilos> there must be a 14.04.1 and maybe a 14.04.2
[04:20] <Kilos> im not sure when .2 is released
[04:21] <mekiss> Nice. I decided to go full ubuntu, dumping windows for good. I also started introducing ubuntu to my friends and family, my younger sister and a friend run only Ubuntu on their machines and they love it
[04:21] <Kilos> wonderful
[04:22] <Kilos> tell them any help needed is right here
[04:22] <mekiss> Will do so Kilos
[04:23] <Kilos> where did you get such a clever sister?
[04:23] <Kilos> shame on you
[04:24] <mekiss> Lol hahaha thats why I decided to go full ubuntu
[04:24] <Kilos> clever girl
[04:25] <mekiss> She's 12 and I want her to be exposed to all of this, and to start developing on Ubuntu as well
[04:26] <Kilos> wonderful
[04:26] <Kilos> is she on ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:26] <mekiss> Ubuntu
[04:26] <Kilos> i think kde has more tools built in already
[04:27] <Kilos> if you go kubuntu then you use quassel or konversation for irc
[04:27] <Kilos> hexchat is for unity peeps
[04:28] <mekiss> Ok. So KDE is Kubuntu and Unity for Ubuntu, whats the difference?
[04:28] <Kilos> the gui
[04:28] <mekiss> Oh
[04:28] <Kilos> totally different
[04:29] <Kilos> kde is a bit of a learning curve , but once you settle in you wont change
[04:29] <Kilos> it just does everything better
[04:29] <mekiss> Yeah. This will be my time trying anything but Ubuntu
[04:30] <Kilos> i liked unity as well but had probs often
[04:30] <Kilos> ive been onkde now for a year
[04:30] <Kilos> my daughter tried unity and loved it
[04:31] <Kilos> my son loves kde
[04:31] <mekiss> Wow I'm sure you so proud
[04:32] <Kilos> yeah, my son uses kde from a flash drive to repair his clients pcs
[04:32] <mekiss> I have'nt ran into issues with Ubuntu yet but since I'm going full scale I'll see for myself
[04:33] <Kilos> but my daughter has to use win7 for her audio recordings equipment and her tablet she draws on
[04:33] <Kilos> 14.04 unity must be pretty stable by now
[04:33] <mekiss> Man that is so awesome, at first I installed it as a back door for my files if windows crashes  
[04:33] <Kilos> lol
[04:34] <mekiss> Your son is a genius
[04:34] <Kilos> nono you learn quick
[04:35] <mekiss> My friend is an artist so I told him about ubuntu studio and he is eager to try it
[04:35] <Kilos> you can install full ubuntu systems on a flash and boot from any pc and have your system right there with you
[04:37] <mekiss> Thats what I did when I installed ubuntu server, though it was intentional, it did not boot without my flash
[04:37] <Kilos> i gave up with windows and its crashes and malware and virus probs after 2 years or less on a pc
[04:37] <mekiss> meant it was not intentional
[04:37] <Kilos> you can do wonderful things with linux
[04:39] <mekiss> True, I got tired of fighting with viruses before I have to use my computer
[04:39] <Kilos> lol
[04:39] <Kilos> in ubuntu you just need to install gufw then you safe 
[04:40] <Kilos> set to allow only outgoing
[04:40] <Kilos> then clever bad peeps cant hack in even
[04:41] <mekiss> Wow should install it on every machine
[04:42] <Kilos> its a tiny package and easy to set up
[04:42] <Kilos> you can guess i love ubuntu hey
[04:42] <Kilos> hehe
[04:42] <Kilos> i am totally hooked
[04:43] <mekiss> Lol haha I can relate
[04:43] <mekiss> You are married to it
[04:44] <mekiss> But its a wonderful unity to have lol
[04:44] <Kilos> lol
[04:46] <mekiss> So how did you know about Ubuntu?
[04:48] <Kilos> i asked around what can one do to not have virus probs and a neighbour gave me a 8.04 cd
[04:49] <mekiss> lol 
[04:50] <Kilos> those days ubuntu was lots of work
[04:51] <mekiss> I can imagine the learning curve, didnt you feel like it was too much
[04:52] <Kilos> i batylled because i knew nearly nothing about pcs
[04:52] <Kilos> but the guys invited me here from the ubuntu mailing list and ive been here since
[04:53] <mekiss> Wow how long have you been here?
[04:56] <Kilos> um
[04:56] <Kilos> since 8.10
[04:57] <Kilos> 8.04 i couldnt get to work with a cell phone
[04:58] <mekiss> mmm those where the early days
[04:58] <mekiss> I'm going offline, I should be back around 11 or 12 to start the installation
[04:58] <mekiss> Bye for now!
[04:59] <Kilos> go well
[07:20] <magespawn> good morning
[07:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:27] <Kilos> only 15°c max today here, sigh
[07:34] <MaNI> does anyone know a 'multi airline' flight search for south africa that doesn't suck?
[07:34] <MaNI> i.e. something like travelstart.co.za except they ruined that one
[07:35] <Kilos> ai!
[07:35] <Kilos> where you wanna go
[07:36] <MaNI> cpt<>jhb
[07:37] <Kilos> only one i know that flew recently is 
[07:37] <Kilos> um
[07:37] <Kilos> that guys down there thats been scarce for months
[07:37] <Kilos> ai!
[07:38] <Kilos> padroni
[07:38] <Kilos> kept thinking of midori
[07:39] <MaNI> the problem is there are now at least 6 airline to choose from and 2 airports in JHB, most of those airlines don't let you easily search for multiple dates so it's 6*2*4 searches just to try narrow down best flight
[07:39] <MaNI> travelstart at least search both JHB airports and all airports at once
[07:39] <MaNI> so you just have to search multiple dates (because they removed the +-3 day search)
[07:40] <Kilos> ai!
[07:40] <Kilos> fight with them
[07:40] <MaNI> I don't know why web developers always make web pages less usable
[07:40] <MaNI> its like some plague
[07:40] <Kilos> lol
[07:41] <Kilos> because they not linux peeps
[07:41] <MaNI> it works too well, quickly lets change the graphics and remove half the functionality in the process!
[12:06] <mekiss> Load Shedding :(
[12:08] <Kilos> ai!
[12:08] <mekiss> I was about to install then lights went off
[12:09] <Kilos> sigh
[12:24] <Symmetria> mmmm
[12:24] <Symmetria> my bachelor party tonight
[12:24]  * Symmetria is nervous :P I have no idea what my psycho friends are planning
[12:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:33] <Kilos> wbb soon
[14:34] <Trixar_za> Oo
[14:34] <Trixar_za> Enjoy Symmetria - also congrats on your future marriage
[14:35] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[14:35] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[14:36] <Kilos> i forgot one can close a popup that shows pc working so i couldnt see text here
[14:36] <Kilos> mekiss  you winning
[14:40] <Trixar_za> Playing Final Fantasy IX in the background :P
[15:00] <mekiss> Yes I installed ubuntu successfully and now I'm going to install LAMP Applications
[15:01] <Kilos> cool, you done updates?
[15:06] <mekiss> Yes I am updating it now
[15:06] <Kilos> using the update manager
[15:07] <Kilos> you will see most guys here use the terminal for nearly everything
[15:07] <Kilos> 2 simple commands
[15:12] <mekiss> Lol yeah I like the terminal as well, teaching myself how I to use it
[15:12] <Kilos> just write down the commands the guys use
[15:12] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[15:12] <Kilos> sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:13] <mekiss> Thanks let me do that
[15:19] <mekiss> Question, on my machine I have two hard drives but none of them appear under devices. How do I make them appear under devices?
[15:19] <Kilos> what is on them
[15:19] <Kilos> are you using kde?
[15:20] <mekiss> One is the OS the other has nothing, I'm using Unity
[15:21] <Kilos> in unity they should show on the panel on the left
[15:21] <Kilos> im busy setting unity up so i can see what you seeing
[15:21] <mekiss> exactly, but they don't show
[15:22] <Kilos> on your left tick on the button or icon called files
[15:23] <Kilos> it will show then name when you hover the mouse over it
[15:23] <Kilos> the name
[15:25] <mekiss> I did open folders then went to Computer but nothing but installation files. 
[15:26] <Kilos> you sure the second drive is connected
[15:26] <Kilos> try running lshw in terminal
[15:26] <mekiss> Yes, during the installation I had to choose the drives I should install in
[15:27] <mekiss> Ok
[15:27] <Kilos> it will show all hardware
[15:31] <mekiss> Yes I can see all the hard dries
[15:31] <mekiss> drives
[15:32] <Kilos> i dont know what you see the second one as
[15:32] <Kilos> but try sudo mount /device/sdb
[15:32] <Kilos> or sdb1
[15:33] <mekiss> There's no indication of primary or slave, let me run that command
[15:34] <Kilos> if it is sdb it will show on the panel
[15:36] <mekiss> Logical name: /dev/sdb
[15:36] <Kilos> if im slow its because im watching rugby with my daughter
[15:36] <Kilos> yes
[15:36] <Kilos> sometimes you need to use /dev/sdb1
[15:37] <mekiss>  Ok
[15:39] <mekiss> It says cant find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[15:40] <stickyboy> I converted an ext4 md RAID1 to btrfs last night.
[15:40] <stickyboy> Can I get a round of applause?
[15:41] <Kilos> lol i dont even know what that is
[15:41] <Kilos> oh you raiding the 2 drives?
[15:41] <Kilos> do they then still show as individual drives
[15:41] <Kilos> ive never done that
[15:41] <mekiss> Yes I wanna do that
[15:42] <Kilos> reason?
[15:42] <stickyboy> btrfs manages the drives. It's a logical volume manager. :D
[15:43] <stickyboy> mekiss: Are these two drives new or something
[15:43] <mekiss> One is only 350Gigs the other is 1TB
[15:43] <stickyboy> ?
[15:44] <mekiss> new and old respectively
[15:44] <mekiss> Both drives logical names are the same
[15:45] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <stickyboy> mekiss: Sorry, as in, do they have data on them already or you want to re-format them?
[15:46] <mekiss> they have nothing on them
[15:46] <Kilos> are they formtatted
[15:46] <mekiss> Yes
[15:47] <Kilos> ok open gparted
[15:47] <Kilos> it will see whats going on in there
[15:48] <Kilos> stickyboy  knows more he admins many servers
[15:56] <mekiss> R0d3rt
[15:58] <mekiss> the second drive is unallocated
[15:59] <Kilos> in gparted?
[15:59] <mekiss> Yes
[15:59] <Kilos> then its easy to fix
[15:59] <mekiss> :)
[15:59] <Kilos> tick one it so it lights up
[16:00] <Kilos> then tick partitions at the top
[16:00] <Kilos> and it will give options for it
[16:00] <Kilos> learn to use gparted ell before you start ticking all the top buttons
[16:00] <mekiss> Yes, I see options 
[16:01] <Kilos> ticking wrong ones can cause you to lose everything
[16:01] <mekiss> Let me read about it online
[16:01] <Kilos> what are the options
[16:01] <Kilos> new is one i think
[16:03] <mekiss> New is disabled, its delete, format to and manage flags
[16:04] <Kilos> format to
[16:04] <Kilos> ext4
[16:04] <Kilos> do you want that drive as a secong bootable drive maybe
[16:04] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[16:04] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[16:05] <Kilos> second
[16:06] <mekiss> No its not, the new options is enabled but a partition table is required
[16:07] <gremble> And a filesystem
[16:07] <mekiss> So I'm creating a partition table
[16:07] <Kilos> thyen tick new
[16:07] <mekiss> File system is unallocated 
[16:08] <Kilos> did you tick new
[16:08] <Kilos> then it will allocate it as something
[16:08] <mekiss> Yes, but it needs a partition table first
[16:08] <Kilos> yes
[16:09] <Kilos> do you want to use it for storage?
[16:09] <mekiss> Yes
[16:09] <Kilos> then just use the whole thing as one large partition
[16:10] <Kilos> or two or three
[16:10] <Kilos> hehe
[16:10] <Kilos> to name the drive storge
[16:10] <mekiss> Ok the partition table needs a partition type
[16:10] <Kilos> where it says mount point type in /storage
[16:11] <gremble> MBR is the old one with BIOS, GPT is the modern partition type
[16:11] <gremble> I suggest trying to see whether GPT is the correct one for you
[16:12] <Kilos> ty gremble 
[16:12] <gremble> Although I am not sure as to whether different drives should have the same partition type
[16:12] <gremble> But probably not
[16:16] <gremble> maaz weather
[16:16] <Maaz> gremble: What?
[16:17] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Kilos> Maaz  foecast pretoria
[16:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[16:17] <Kilos> ai!
[16:17] <gremble> maaz forecast pretoria
[16:17] <Maaz> gremble: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High:
[16:17] <Maaz> 24° C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Cle…
[16:17] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast pretoria
[16:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Saturday: Clear. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Monday: Clear. High: 19° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 6° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 24° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 24°
[16:17] <Maaz> C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Friday: Clear. High: 19° C., Friday Night: Clear…
[16:17] <Kilos> haha
[16:17] <Kilos> you too fast
[16:18] <gremble> It's going to be cold as tits tonight
[16:18] <Kilos> already is here
[16:18] <gremble> Yes, my phone says that it is 16 though. It's not supposed to be this cold when it is 16
[16:18] <gremble> I think it is the moisture cooling it off
[16:19] <Kilos> yeah breeze over moisture
[16:20] <gremble> Ah the weather people say it is 12.8
[16:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:21] <stickyboy> mekiss: If you're on Ubuntu 14.04 or newer, go with GPT. :P
[16:21] <stickyboy> And use gdisk on the command line. Advanced, but winning. :P
[16:21] <gremble> or parted
[16:21] <gremble> I heard that parted is easier to use
[16:22] <gremble> stickyboy: do you know if you have to have the 1007KiB at the beginning of a storage drive like you need to have for the bootable one?
[16:24] <gremble> My windows machine really doesn't like getting the power turned off while it is hibernating
[16:24] <gremble> xD
[16:33] <MaNI> huh, thats pretty much what hibernating is for, you don't mean sleeping?
[16:33] <gremble> Yes, sleeping. My bad
[16:33] <gremble> Anyone familiar with using containers?
[16:34] <MaNI> define 'containers', lxc, docker?
[16:35] <gremble> I assume as much. I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. I want to install anaconda on my machine without it actually being on my machine. So in my head, installing it on a container makes more sense
[16:35] <gremble> Whatever that may be
[16:37] <MaNI> I've briefly used lxc and haven't touched docker so not sure how much help I can be there, I usually just use kvm vms for everything :p
[16:38] <gremble> I don't know of a full vms would work for me, since I only have like 2gb ram to work with
[16:47] <stickyboy> gremble: parted's gpt support is deprecated.
[16:47] <stickyboy> So only use that if you're going to do MBR partitions.
[16:48] <stickyboy> gremble: Regarding the 1007KiB... I believe you're talking about aligning partitions to the hardware sectors?
[16:49] <stickyboy> gdisk does that automatically, yes.
[16:50] <stickyboy> You don't "have" to, but you definitely want to, or writes will be unaligned.
[16:51] <stickyboy> I've never paid much attention since gdisk does it automatically. :P
[16:58] <MaNI> 2gb is not a lot :(
[16:59] <MaNI> normally I would tell you about shared pages and how extra vms take up less memory than you might think, but yeah with 2gb lxc is probably a better bet :p
[17:00] <mekiss> Ok thanks guys it worked.
[17:02] <mekiss> Um I applied GPT and chose ext4
[17:04] <gremble> I will go have a look. Thank you Maaz 
[17:04] <gremble> MaNI
[17:05] <mekiss> kilos the hard drive shows 
[17:09] <Kilos> yay
[17:09] <Kilos> well done
[17:11] <mekiss> Yeah thanks for the help all, I was in the dark there
[17:27] <Kilos> we going off in 30 mins
[17:27] <Kilos> so ill see you all tomorrow if power cuts
[17:28] <Kilos> there is another tool in unity that works well with drives
[17:28] <Kilos> disk utility
[17:28] <Kilos> or just disks, im not sure
[17:29] <mekiss> Ok I'll check it out, see you soon
[17:59] <Kilos> we lose power in a few minutes
[18:00] <Kilos> so night all . if i disappear
[18:00] <Kilos> sleep warm
[18:00] <gremble> Loadshedding was this morning, wasn't it?
[18:00] <mekiss> Night sleep warm 
[18:00] <Kilos> ty
[18:03] <gremble> Oh, apparently he lives just far enough to not be in my loadshedding area
[18:03] <gremble> '
[18:11] <gremble> superfly: www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/functional-programming-python.pdf
[19:13] <magespawn> good evening
[19:52] <gremble> I am watching the pilot episode of QI. It's amazing
[20:10] <Cryterion_> watching BareFoot atm while configuring a server
[20:24] <Squirm> Evening
[20:26] <gremble> Hey Squirm 
[20:30] <magespawn> hey Squirm gremble 
[20:30] <gremble> Hey magespawn 
[20:53] <Squirm> 'lo magespawn
[20:53] <Squirm> Plans for tomorrow?
[21:08] <magespawn> stay in bed, seems like a good one for now, sunday, and we are expecting cold weather
[21:09] <gremble> I did that today
[21:09] <gremble> It was amazing
[21:09] <magespawn> cool beans
[21:09] <magespawn> will also try to get through some more of coding lessons
[21:09] <gremble> What are you learning?
[21:11] <magespawn> i bought a whole load of courses on stack social, php, python, ruby, html, css 
[21:11] <gremble> Oh nice
[21:11] <magespawn> started with the basic php first
[21:13] <magespawn> most of them are on Udemy, they have a android app that allows you to download the videos to watch offline
[21:14] <magespawn> so that works out nicely
[21:15] <gremble> It sounds quite nice 
[21:17] <Squirm> Python is a good one
[21:18] <magespawn> i like the way yu can use all of those together, each seems to have strengths
[21:19] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[21:19] <gremble> Cheers magespawn 
[21:19] <Squirm> html and css are good if you want to make websites look pretty :)
[21:19] <Squirm> cheers
[21:20] <superfly> impossible. PHP has no strengths. 
[21:20] <Squirm> superfly: agreed
[21:20] <Squirm> :P
[21:20] <magespawn> it has one
[21:20] <Squirm> But it was my first language :D
[21:21] <Squirm> and I needed to learn it
[21:21] <magespawn> well at least that i can think of
[21:21] <Squirm> Have to use it now days
[21:21] <magespawn> Squirm: that is my reasoning too
[21:21] <Squirm> magespawn: depends. I'd have been happy just learning python
[21:22] <magespawn> there are too many programmes etc written in PHP for me to ignore it, poor reason perhaps, but there we go
[21:23] <magespawn> now, before my modem dies, good night
[21:23] <superfly> It is better to learn python first. When you learn a real language after PHP, you have to unlearn so much rubbish. 
[21:25] <gremble> You should learn PHP and then C. 
[21:25] <gremble> You will be trying to debug so many segfaults :D