[04:23] <Miar> I have GNOME, Unity and KDE on Kubuntu. GNOME and Unity work fine. But when I launch KDE, it hangs after around 2 mins. Also unable to logout from kde or launch the terminal. Could anybody offer a solution please?
[09:14] <Guest21288> hello everyone! who is developin for stm32 on ubuntu? thanks
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:15] <rharish> BluesKaj: Hi :)
[11:15] <rharish> btw, just wanted to know if someone here has/is using groupwise ??
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi rharish
[11:24] <BluesKaj> what's groupwise?
[12:11] <rharish> BluesKaj: sorry, was away for tea. by now you probably would've come across this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroupWise
[12:18] <BluesKaj> rharish,  check your package manager for groupwise you'll see several supported apps there
[12:19] <rharish> BluesKaj: I'm working on porting kopete (which happens to support the groupwise protocol), I wanted to know if someone knew how to configure it properly
[12:21] <BluesKaj> rharish, that's probly a question for #ubuntu chat. The chances that someone there has configured it are much greater there.
[12:21] <rharish> BluesKaj: thanks, I'll ask around :)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> just by sheer population of the room
[13:56] <MichaelP> if goal for kubuntu 15.10 is plasma 5.4 why build it with same version as 15.04 ?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> MichaelP,  ask the devs in #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[14:00] <MichaelP> ok
[14:20] <hallc> hello
[14:20] <hallc> is anyone there
[15:06] <halp> hello
[15:06] <halp> anyone not afk?
[15:07] <halp> I'm stuck in the kubuntu installation
[15:07] <halp> kubuntu 15.04, after I chose my timezone the continue button is blocked
[15:07] <halp> been like this for around 20 minutes
[15:08] <halp> anyone?
[15:16] <halp> anyone not dead?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> halp,  click on the back button to see what field you forgot to fill in.
[15:22] <halp> The back button is blocked aswell
[15:22] <BluesKaj> also if you're on a laptop you need an ethernet connection and the power supply plugged in.
[15:22] <halp> Power supply is plugged in, I've connected to wifi successfully just like how I installed on my netbook
[15:22] <BluesKaj> unless the wifi works , but the power must be plugged in
[15:23] <halp> Screen has been stuck for around 30 minutes :s
[15:23] <BluesKaj> what is your laptop?
[15:24] <halp> Toshiba, it's not actually mine so I don't really know whats the exact name
[15:24] <halp> it has an i3 and something in the amd radeon series
[15:24] <halp> 4gb of ram, too.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> did you prepartition the drive ?
[15:25] <halp> Wait, I thought it automatically does that in the disk setup during installation
[15:25] <halp> dah crap, is it fine if I quit the installer now and retry later or will that corrupt everything?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> if you want it to use the whole drive without a / and /home partition
[15:26] <halp> doesn't really matter to me if it uses a whole drive
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it will create a  / (root) partition for everything if you use auto partitioning
[15:27] <halp> that's fine.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ok , if it's bees stucj for 30 mins then there's something amiss for sure
[15:27] <halp> yep.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> err been stuck
[15:28] <halp> is it fine to restart the installer or anything? I have no idea what to do now
[15:29] <BluesKaj> halp,  I don't think it's gone far enough to lose any data yet
[15:29] <halp> So I should shutdown and try again?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> was there still an OS on the machine when you started the install
[15:30] <halp> Yeah, windows 8
[15:30] <Ryoma721> hgi
[15:30] <halp> if all goes wrong I can just switch to that
[15:30] <halp> hi
[15:30] <Ryoma721> hi
[15:30] <BluesKaj> halp,  ok think you'd beter read up on uefi
[15:30] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[15:31] <halp> I already managed to dual boot windows and kubuntu on my netbook
[15:31] <halp> literally just yesterday
[15:32] <halp> I did exactly everything on this laptop too
[15:32] <halp> I think it should work if I just restart the installer
[15:32] <BluesKaj> halp,  how old is the netbook ?
[15:34] <halp> pretty old
[15:34] <halp> ASUS X102B
[15:34] <BluesKaj> the netbook might have a regular BIOS system, whereas newer computers since 2010 have the UEFI replacing the old BIOS system so installation on a dual boot system is more complex
[15:35] <halp> oh come on
[15:35] <BluesKaj> halp,  read the  above post url about uefi
[15:37] <BluesKaj> halp,  so th eowner doesn't want a dual boot  with windows?
[15:37] <nfk> hello, is there anyone who would like to tell me why kubuntu uses colord-kde and not kolor-manager and i'm not blaming you, i just want to hear a proper distro's opinion on this
[15:38] <halp> he says to keep windows with linux just incase he wants to change
[15:38] <Ryoma721> hi....
[15:39] <halp> BluesKaj http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445119.png This is the picture I got when booting up the installer
[15:39] <halp> does that mean the laptop is UEFI or BIOS?
[15:39] <halp> or uh... I dunno
[15:41] <BluesKaj> nfk,  the color theme options are in system settings>application appearance>color>, or on 15.04 system settings>color
[15:41] <nfk> BluesKaj, that option is kolor-manger specific as far as i can tell
[15:41] <nfk> and i don't remember kubuntu ever actually shipping it by default
[15:41] <nfk> i'm just wondering why it's that way
[15:44] <nfk> BluesKaj, sorry, i misread you, i'm talking about color management not color schemes
[15:44] <nfk> this has been getting to my brain already
[15:45] <BluesKaj> halp,  more than likely if the laptop has windows 8 it's new enought to have a UEFI instead of the BIOS, abnd befor you try to reinstall kubuntu , open windows and follow this: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/check-if-uefi-or-bios
[15:46] <halp> got it.
[15:49] <nfk> can a laptop even get windows 8 certified/ready sticker without secure boot?
[15:49] <nfk> i'd be gobsmacked if it could
[15:49] <halp> heh I doubt this is a legit windows 8 anyways
[15:50] <lordievader> nfk: I thought it needed secure boot availble, not sure if it needed to be on.
[15:50] <nfk> they don't make hardware for legit/illegit windows, if it's a pc from that era and not an apple it's gonna be designed for windows 8
[15:51] <nfk> lordievader, it's not required to be mandatory on but allowing it to be off would kinda defeat the purpose unless ms was after extra creeping attack
[15:51] <nfk> *off by default
[15:54] <BluesKaj> halp,  well it still may have a gpt partition and uefi boot partition that could be a problem for kubuntu installation
[15:54] <halp> guess I'm about to find out
[15:54] <BluesKaj> yup :-)
[15:54] <halp> taking quite a long time to boot up... one of the reasons to switch to kubuntu :P
[15:57] <halp> Detected boot environment: BIOS
[15:57] <halp> hum.
[15:58] <halp> BluesKaj it's a bios
[15:58] <halp> what now
[15:58] <lordievader> halp: Did you boot the live-usb through uefi?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> halp,  maybe use gparted to create an ext4 partition for kubuntu before reinstallinbg
[15:58] <halp> I don't know
[15:59] <halp> Alright so I should create a partition now
[15:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  it's a bios system , no uefi
[15:59] <lordievader> Then I miss background info, never mind me.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> halp,  yes in an open space
[16:00] <BluesKaj> leave some room for W8 of course
[16:01] <halp> 123 GB Healthy (primary partition)
[16:01] <halp> if I'm not mistaken that's kubuntu's created partition
[16:02] <halp> should I delete volume?
[16:02] <halp> yeahhh I will
[16:02] <BluesKaj> what type of partition is it , ext4 or ntfs?
[16:03] <halp> well I just deleted it
[16:03] <halp> I can choose between NTFS and ext4 now
[16:03] <halp> I mean exFAT
[16:04] <halp> BluesKaj
[16:04] <BluesKaj> how many partitions do you see on the drive
[16:04] <halp> 5, including the one i'm about to format
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ext4 is for linux, ntfs is windows
[16:05] <halp> Yeah I totally just deleted the linux partition BluesKah
[16:05] <halp> BluesKaj *
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ok just set it as an ext4 4 now
[16:06] <halp> I can set it to NTFS or exFat, not ext4
[16:06] <halp> ugh, gotta eat, be back in 10 minutes
[16:06] <halp> maybe less
[16:07] <BluesKaj> click on new, then choose ext4
[16:21] <halp> BluesKaj back
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hihlight the partition, then right click on it, choose  new, then choose ext4
[16:23] <halp> right click > new simple partition
[16:24] <halp> I an only choose NTFS or exFAT
[16:24] <BluesKaj> which partitioner are you using , are you in windows?
[16:24] <halp> windows 8's disk management tool
[16:25] <BluesKaj> no , you need to burn a gparted live cd or usb and use that , windows partitoner won't offer linux ext4 partitions
[16:26] <halp> as in use a different application?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:27] <BluesKaj> linux won't install on either of those file systems that you have available
[16:28] <halp> then again doesn't it automatically partition before the installation
[16:28] <halp> in the disk management tab of the installation
[16:29] <halp> downloading a program for partitioning...
[16:30] <BluesKaj> well it seems the kubuntu partitioner has a problem with the existing partition so partitoning ahead of will insure that problem won't come up again
[16:30] <halp> righty then
[16:31] <BluesKaj> downloading gparted?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> iso
[16:31] <halp> Yeah.
[16:32] <halp> over 200mb. Wonderful.
[16:32] <halp> Great.
[16:32] <halp> this'll take 15 mins or something
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ok ,no hurry here
[16:33] <halp> Blueskaj btw thanks for helping out so far
[16:33] <halp> really useful ^^
[16:35] <BluesKaj> no problem, like seeing users discover linux .. it was a revelation for me , being an old windows guy for so many years
[16:35] <halp> I just moved to kubuntu on my netbook yesterday. Very impressed so far
[16:36] <halp> clean UI is probably my most important thing in OS and browsers
[16:37] <halp> simply that is why I chose kubuntu :3
[16:37] <halp> interface + preformance > windows
[16:37] <BluesKaj> right , it's a good choice
[16:41] <halp> 50% done
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i may convert my wife to linux someday , but that will take a major change like porting windows games to linux
[16:42] <halp> wine is pretty stable-ish
[16:42] <halp> was using it a veeery long time ago when I was using mac
[16:42] <halp> in fact I managed to get binding of isaac rebirth running well on kubuntu
[16:47] <BluesKaj> wine is no substitute IME
[16:49] <nfk> IME?
[16:51] <halp> BluesKaj the download is done
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ok does the laptop have a cd rom drive?
[16:52] <halp> I just opened the iso no problems
[16:52] <halp> what to do with the files?
[16:54] <halp> BluesKaj ?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> you'll need to burn the iso to a cd if the laptop has a cdrom drive that can read it
[16:55] <halp> does it have to be a CD?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> cds are a bit easier
[16:56] <halp> I don't thnk I have any unused CDs
[16:56] <halp> so uh... flashdisk?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> usb stick , copy the iso using dd , the stick should be fat32
[16:59] <BluesKaj> !dd
[16:59] <BluesKaj> !info dd
[17:00] <halp> welp
[17:00] <halp> the disk driver 32 or something like that?
[17:00] <halp> that I used to copy kubuntu to the flash
[17:00] <halp> what nfk said, what's that?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> are you on kubuntu on the netbook ?
[17:02] <halp> yuppers, I do have a desktop computer with win7 on it though
[17:02] <nfk> BluesKaj, it's probably part of coreutils or something
[17:02] <BluesKaj> did you download the  gparted iso on your netbook , i was assuming you did
[17:03] <halp> oh ._.
[17:03] <halp> I installed it on the other laptop
[17:03] <nfk> halp, dd is a tool that copies blocks of bytes around, basically that iso and some others are nowadays engineered such that when they are bit-perfectly copied to a flash device they are bootable
[17:04] <BluesKaj> halp,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[17:07] <halp> *infinitely confused*
[17:07] <halp> so you want me to copy the Gparted to a usb using dd?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> halp,  or can you copy it in windows, I'm not sure what to use there, never done  that
[17:09] <halp> yeah I think I can do it on windows easier
[17:10] <halp> after copying, what do?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> copy to the usb is what I mean
[17:11] <halp> got it, got it.
[17:12] <halp> I only have one flash disk...
[17:12] <halp> Which is the one that's currently holding kubuntu (derp)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> any cds?
[17:14] <halp> I got a backup of kubuntu on my pc
[17:15] <halp> soooo I'll reformat the flash disk
[17:15] <halp> put Gparted and do whatever I'll do with it
[17:15] <halp> then reformat, put kubuntu
[17:15] <BluesKaj> maybe you could just try installing again on the laptop
[17:15] <halp> trying to install kubuntu?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> this partitioning with gparted isn't working
[17:15] <halp> yeahhhh this is getting more and more confusing
[17:16] <BluesKaj> u=yeah , try installing kubuntu again first
[17:16] <halp> right i'll just try to install again
[17:17] <halp> if this works i don't know if I should be happy or pissed off
[17:18] <halp> pretty much both
[17:19] <BluesKaj> it's always good to have some cdrws or dvdrws and an extra usb stick hanging about
[17:20] <halp> O_O
[17:20] <halp> yeahhh I forgot to format the disk I deleted
[17:20] <halp> jumping back to windows...
[17:23] <BluesKaj> you can't format the partiiton to a linux ext filesystem in windows , there's no point in trying
[17:23] <BluesKaj> halp, ^
[17:23] <halp> Yeah but since It's not formatted kubuntu got confused
[17:24] <halp> If i format it to windows kubuntu will just re-format to linux
[17:24] <BluesKaj> let the kubuntu installer format it
[17:24] <halp> Yeahhhh it said before: (lots of partioned stuff and stuff)
[17:24] <halp> then after(500gb, kubuntu)
[17:24] <halp> suddenly I was like...No...
[17:24] <halp> I think it's an error or something
[17:28] <BluesKaj> just try it
[17:28] <halp> surprisingly
[17:28] <halp> formatting the partion fixed it
[17:28] <halp> <--- ultimate 1337 h3x0r problem solver
[17:28] <halp> so far so good
[17:29] <halp> it didn't get stuck in the time zone screen
[17:30] <halp> yuussss!!!
[17:30] <BluesKaj> what did you format to , if it was ntfs then the kubuntu installer will reformat to linux ext4 if you choose to do so
[17:31] <halp> the problem wasn't that I wanted to format to ext4
[17:31] <lordievader> halp: You are not using a Microsoft Dynamic Disk, are you?
[17:31] <halp> kubuntu's installer glitched out when it found an unformatted partition
[17:31] <halp> lordievader uh... no
[17:31] <lordievader> Good, that stuff is nasty.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> i meant that a recognizable filesystem can then autoformatted to linux ext and then install kubuntu there
[17:32] <halp> well kubuntu is installing normally now
[17:33] <BluesKaj> you haven't reached the partitioning phase yet
[17:34] <halp> brace yourselves
[17:34] <halp> while it's installing, anyone else realize the Kwallet thing is kind of broken?
[17:34] <halp> every time I connect to a wifi it pops up for no reason
[17:37] <halp> please remove installation media and press enter
[17:37] <halp> installation media as in the flash drive?
[17:38] <halp> I dunno why I keep asking obvious stuff
[17:38] <halp> getting kind of paranoid
[17:39] <BluesKaj> let's hope the windows install is still there
[17:40] <halp> don't worry, it is.
[17:40] <halp> kubuntu login screen
[17:40] <halp> WOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:40] <halp> BluesKaj grats, it works
[17:40] <halp> now time to install all the important programs that I said not to during installation
[17:42] <BluesKaj> update and upgrade first
[17:42] <halp> upgrade to what?
[17:43] <halp> it's pretty much already on 15.04
[17:43] <halp> anyways, updating is really slow... will do later
[17:43] <BluesKaj> upgrades  the existing packages
[17:44] <halp> important thing is, it works!
[17:44] <BluesKaj> which partitioning method did you choose ?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> during the install
[17:45] <halp> welp everything I did in the past 3 hours was useless
[17:48] <BluesKaj> ??
[17:51] <Smilerut> hello
[17:51] <Smilerut> I want to upgrade from Plasma 4 to 5
[17:51] <Smilerut> how do I do this
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  which kubuntu ?
[17:53] <Smilerut> no Kubuntu
[17:53] <Smilerut> Ubuntu.
[17:53] <Smilerut> but I thought I'd ask here
[17:53] <Smilerut> since you guys oughtta know more about KDE
[17:54] <LjL-Alps> still, what version
[17:54] <Smilerut> 14 something
[17:55] <Smilerut> 14.04
[17:55] <Smilerut> although it shows up as "Kubuntu 14.04" that's probably because I installed Kubuntu-desktop to get KDE
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  in the terminal . sudo lsb_release -a
[17:56] <BluesKaj> but it's is 14.04
[17:56] <Smilerut> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[17:58] <Smilerut> so how do I upgrade to Plasma 5?
[17:58] <Smilerut> people are saying it's better than 4
[17:58] <LjL-Alps> i find it better
[18:01] <nfk> WHY IS APT WASTING MY TIME BY REGENERATING GRUB CONFIG LIKE 5 TIMES IN A SINGLE apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01]  * nfk goes drink some water
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  I don't find it better, but it's obviously a matter of taste and usage, anyway there are some forums saying that upgrading to plasma 5 in ubuntu 14.104 is no longer possible , however you can have a look at this  http://sourcedigit.com/14871-install-kde-plasma-5-2-ubuntu-14-04-ubuntu-14-10/
[18:04] <nfk> i thought it was never supported anyway
[18:04] <nfk> ah, 14.10
[18:04] <lordievader> Smilerut: You can't upgrade to Plasma5 in Trusty, you need Utopic (no longer supported) or Vivid for that.
[18:05] <Smilerut> ah
[18:05] <Smilerut> alright
[18:05] <Smilerut> I think I should change distros or something
[18:05] <Smilerut> and get something a little more
[18:05] <Smilerut> ...
[18:05] <Smilerut> hardcore
[18:06] <nfk> then just hop on and install kubuntu
[18:06] <nfk> it's compatible with ubuntu but actually a different distro, afaik
[18:07] <nfk> btw, i haven't been reading moronix lately, how does it look with 15.10 and beyond?
[18:08] <lordievader> nfk: Ubuntu and Kubuntu is still the same just a different DE.
[18:08] <nfk> i have heard it's actually directly based on debian not ubuntu
[18:10] <lordievader> nfk: Then you have heard wrong.
[18:10] <nfk> okay
[18:10] <BluesKaj> nfk,  no lordievader is correct , kubuntu is a 'flavour" of ubuntu
[18:11] <nfk> more importantly, how does the future look?
[18:11] <lordievader> No one really knows.
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ubuntu was developed from debian , whether it can be called a fork is some thing I'm not sure of.
[18:12] <lordievader> Ubuntu is based on Debian, and still is.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> that's why i'm on debian jessie now as my main OS , still have Wily installed for testing though
[18:14] <nfk> i'm kinda surprised you can do that, i'd have those bubuntu nazis to suck my middle finger in practice of shuttleworth's suckoff
[18:14] <nfk> *have told
[18:14] <nfk> s/of/for/
[18:14] <nfk> BluesKaj, but it's absolutely outdated
[18:15] <nfk> and nsa rooted for sure
[18:15] <lordievader> nfk: Jessie ain't. For the moment.
[18:15] <nfk> you probably are worse off than with mac os x
[18:15] <nfk> what kernel does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> what kde version does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> what firefox... i'm sorry, iceweasel version does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> i could go on
[18:16] <BluesKaj> outdated how , because itdoesn't have a desktop that leaves a lot to be desired ...outdated in linux can mean it's stable and it works, but it isn't new....so what
[18:17] <nfk> my experience with testing and unstable is that neither are stable and very dangerous to use
[18:17] <BluesKaj> I use chrome on debian
[18:17] <BluesKaj> iceweasel is silly , but that's about all
[18:17] <nfk> meanwhile other distros *cough* gentoo *cough* can be even bleeding edge while not being as unstable as debian unstable
[18:18] <nfk> debian has chrome? not chromium?
[18:18] <lordievader> Gentoo is not bleeding edge, far from it.
[18:18] <nfk> lordievader, i beg your pardon? i'm compiled oyranos and synnefo from git today and that's via portage
[18:19] <lordievader> nfk: Stable usually isn't very new. But we are getting offtopic.
[18:20] <nfk> sure, the gcc is not bleeding edge and firefox can sometimes take days to get updated which is extremely bad but at least my system has not needed a reinstall in 7 years while debian unstable can handle about that long in months before needing a reinstal lor a full guru CPR
[18:20] <nfk> lordievader, last time i checked unstable was not very new
[18:21] <nfk> now, someone tell me, does debian have the full google chrome?
[18:21] <nfk> because if it does, i'm gonna call bs on iceweasel
[18:21] <BluesKaj> I switched to debian a couple of weeks ago to my desktop and my laptop and I've found it very usable and stable
[18:21] <nfk> and outdated
[18:21] <nfk> just tell me what kernel it has, what kde version it has
[18:22] <lordievader> nfk: You can add the Google Chrome repo. You can also install Firefox on Debian.
[18:22] <nfk> and go ahead, tell me it has the full chrome
[18:22] <nfk> lordievader, i know you can get it from mozilla, i'm asking about out of the box
[18:22] <BluesKaj> outdated ,, bah humbug ..frankly i don't give a damn it's supported and iot works
[18:22] <nfk> if you need to do magical incantations to get something i do not consider it part of the distro
[18:23] <nfk> which is why i did not brag about running git version of colord-kde while kubuntu has none  because that oen is requires three commands to get it
[18:23] <BluesKaj> googlr chrome upgdates  and upgrades in debian if you install it from the chrome site
[18:23] <nfk> emerge layman; layman -a kde; emerge colord-kde
[18:24] <nfk> BluesKaj, it won't work nearly as well if your hardware is very new or if there's a known bug that's been fixed in a newer version
[18:25] <nfk> BluesKaj, so it's not even a .deb?
[18:25] <nfk> *facepalm*
[18:25] <BluesKaj>  n nfk odf course it's deb
[18:26] <nfk> oh, actually 4 - you need to add keyword for colord-kde because it's using a live git repo
[18:27] <nfk> btw, how do you use plasma 5 on debian even?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> i don't have any git repos
[18:28] <BluesKaj> I don't use plasma 5 , that's the whole point of using debian rather than kubuntu, i can use kde4 and plasma 4
[18:28] <nfk> any particular reason?
[18:28] <nfk> and it's funny that the whole point why i hate debian is because kde there is beyond obsolete
[18:29] <nfk> i could live with something like 3.16 (just don't tell me even that's too new for debian) but i'm certainly not gonna be happy with a kde release from 4 or 5 years ago
[18:30] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 dropped some of my favourite features like no separate wallpaper for VDs , and no entry history in the run command (krunner) and the flat "look" it has isn't to my liking just to name a few
[18:33] <nfk> it's still not sustainable to keep on using kde sc 4 besides krunner was never meant for non-developers, you can fix the wallpaper issue yourself, i'm sure, and you can actually get the oxygen looks back at least on gentoo though i'm personally happy to not seeing oxygen any more, it's not bad but it's certainly not my very favourite style
[18:33] <nfk> in fact, breeze is just a re-itteration of air and oxygen
[18:34] <nfk> and personally i feel thatif it wasn't for plasma 5 some of those changes would have been done to air itself
[18:34] <nfk> like less transparency which i personally like just just as long as it's a bit thicker than air
[18:35] <BluesKaj> nope the VDs are no longer suporting separte wall papers , apparently the it's too complex get it to work in plsama 5 for some reason , that's what the devs told me
[18:35] <nfk> with air i often found i could had to make widgets larger or bring myself closer to display to see content over transparent background
[18:36] <nfk> BluesKaj, so the api itself does not permit it? weird though i kinda get their point, it's easy to have multiple wallpapers with a static setup but when stuff comes and goes it turns into a mess
[18:47] <BluesKaj> nfk,  old kernel , new kernel, it doesn't matter because it works relly well on this 7 yr old pc/media server
[18:50] <Kali_Yuga> Adobe Flash really irritates me the last couple of weeks.
[18:50] <nfk> but it will matter for most people who use it as a real os and not just a glorified file server
[18:50] <nfk> also if it's for actual decoding and presentation then your experience will almost certinly be worse than mine
[18:51] <nfk> i have color management and other goodies
[18:51] <nfk> and opengl 3 presentation with optional hardware decoding and frame interpolation and advanced scalers and so on
[18:52] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, just weeks?
[18:54] <Kali_Yuga> I know what your talking about I'm not a friend of it either. they should kill flash after my opinion too.. but I just need it for a lot of things... I always have to click allow now. Cuz they have serious security problems Now... I mean they always had but now it's really bad and Firefox is Blocking it by default now!
[18:54] <nfk> like?
[18:54] <nfk> my gentoo has had no flash installed for some 2 or 3 years now
[18:55] <Kali_Yuga> ok how am I supposed to visit sertain websites?
[18:55] <BluesKaj> openGL 3.1 works well here on my entry level nvidia 8400gs connected to our Panasonic plasma tv.. i've had this setup since 2008 ...no colour problems whatsoever
[18:55] <nfk> are you in japan? i don't think any other place on earth actually still makes websites in flash
[18:56] <nfk> BluesKaj, i really think you should google color management
[18:56] <Kali_Yuga> No I am actually American
[18:56] <nfk> i suspect you have not the slightest idea what it is
[18:56] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, like what website needs flash to visit it?
[18:58] <Kali_Yuga> I use websites that require flash and without it there is 50% off the Internet gone
[18:58] <nfk> i hope you won't bring up youtube
[18:58] <BluesKaj> not gonna muck up a good picture setup
[18:58] <Kali_Yuga> No I am using Html5 on youtube already
[18:59] <nfk> BluesKaj, you still have not the slither of idea what color management is
[18:59] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, well, go on using flash then
[19:00] <Kali_Yuga> i mean even porn sites require flash what should I do :O
[19:00] <BluesKaj> nfk,  that depends on your definition of it , perhaps you could explain what that is.
[19:01] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, the last porn site i visited in many years was that that greek one that went free due to crisis and it was completely boring
[19:01] <nfk> BluesKaj, open google, enter color management, you will learn something
[19:02] <BluesKaj> bah google , nm
[19:02] <nfk> there's hardly multiple definitions, certainly multiple ways its done
[19:02] <nfk> substitute for whatever you use
[19:02] <nfk> though i find google to be the most accurate
[19:02] <Kali_Yuga> Flash is working but I have to click allow Now all the time. somebody said or I was reading that they would fix that so flash would be allowed by default on Firefox
[19:02] <nfk> sometimes i intentionally use that because their search bubble helps me find stuff that otherwise would get drowned in vagueness
[19:03] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, it's the opposite, firefox will be going "allow for now" by default
[19:03] <nfk> for flash specifically
[19:03] <nfk> besides it's a good thing, the less you're epxosed, the better
[19:03] <Kali_Yuga> how do you live without flash?
[19:04] <nfk> just fine
[19:04] <Kali_Yuga> but how... I mean If I get the content without flash everything would be fine for me too :(
[19:05] <nfk> i used to use cclive for youtube but nowadays mpv does just fine with youtube-dl (which i hear supports a lot of porn sites but obviously there's million times more porn sites than a lot out there)
[19:05] <Kali_Yuga> I'm not pointing specifically at porn sites though
[19:05] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, i just ignore dumb websites like bbc.com or search for older videos on youtube or just try bbc.co.uk which unlike bbc.com is supported by youtube-dl
[19:06] <Kali_Yuga> like flashx.tv
[19:06] <Kali_Yuga> does not work without it
[19:07] <nfk> btw, iirc, newgrounds even has html5 for flash videos, iirc
[19:07] <Kali_Yuga> what does that mean
[19:08] <nfk> you don't know newgrounds despite saying that flash is important?
[19:08] <canid1> Hey ... I have a virtualbox guest connected via NAT... how come I don't see the vlan in my ifconfig ?
[19:08] <nfk> for me the only thing i miss rarely is newgrounds
[19:08] <nfk> canid1, DO NOT USE IFCONFIG
[19:08] <canid1> ?
[19:08]  * nfk grabs canid1 NO IFOCINFIG
[19:08] <canid1> ??
[19:08] <nfk> *IFCONFIG
[19:09] <nfk> ip addr
[19:09] <canid1> *IFCONFIG
[19:09] <nfk> try that
[19:09] <nfk> canid1, ifconfig was deprecated almost 10 years ago
[19:09] <canid1> okay... I did 'ip addr' - same question
[19:09] <Kali_Yuga> well I don't know. I was a former Windows user and I just need that crap
[19:09] <canid1> why don't I see the vlan?
[19:09] <nfk> then it's a valid quesiton, i guess
[19:10] <Kali_Yuga> I would love to replace Flash with something opensource though but there is nothing like it
[19:10] <canid1> I can ping my host from the guest, but not the other way around - I'm trying to figure it out
[19:11] <nfk> leaving aside my surprise virtualbox still exists, is your setup such that there should be one? like is it created by some script vbox runs?
[19:11] <lordievader> canid1: Because NAT ain't vlan?
[19:11] <nfk> canid1, overall i think you should ask that to vbox not kubuntu
[19:12] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, not entirely correct, at its core it's vectorgraphics and javascript so pretty much html5
[19:12] <BluesKaj> nfk,  the colour management you mentioned isn't anything new to me, I've used those tools with the nvidia gui xserver in the past, but I've always left those adjustments alone since the colour setup we have is just fine
[19:12] <nfk> though of course it's not exactly the same thing and no open standards so it's basically riddled with undefined behaviour and bugs abused as features
[19:13] <canid1> thankie lordievader and nfk
[19:13] <nfk> BluesKaj, FUCKING GOOGLE IT
[19:13] <nfk> it's not what you think it is
[19:14] <Kali_Yuga> No I know html5 which is not Opensource after my knowledge, I might be wrong... Is a replacement but the most websites still don't support it.. I just know Youtube
[19:14] <nfk> BluesKaj, i hope you're ready, i'm about to post two links
[19:15] <lordievader> nfk: Please watch your language.
[19:15] <nfk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKnqECcg6Gw // BluesKaj
[19:15] <nfk> lordievader, he's too stubborn
[19:15] <BluesKaj> how do you know what i think , I'm an old tech guy who used video in the past and an audio guy to boot so don't lecture me since you don't know my past experience
[19:15] <lordievader> nfk: No need to break the rules.
[19:15] <nfk> BluesKaj, you have gotten color management wrong 3 times, you are either trolling which is an ugly thing to do in this channel or you do have no idea what it is
[19:17] <nfk> https://www.oyranos.org/2013/03/firefox-19-0-colour-management/ and now a test link 1
[19:18] <nfk> actually, scratch that, the best test link https://www.oyranos.org/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Images
[19:19] <BluesKaj> I read the wiki , I used receive audio and video mags in tha past and I know what colour management is, but I'm not going to start spewing technicla jargon just because you think you you know something is wrong with my video setup, so stop bothering me about it ./.enough already
[19:33] <nfk> BluesKaj, so in short, you were trolling
[19:33] <nfk> lordievader, is trolling realy kosher in this channel?
[19:34] <lordievader> nfk: Take it from me, BluesKaj was not trolling.
[19:34] <nfk> he clearly said he was
[19:35] <lordievader> Lets just get back to user support, shall we?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> nfk, i'm not a troll, i've in thei support chat for over 9 yrs so stop it or we'll find out who the real troll is
[19:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj, nfk: Can both of your drop this whole thing? It ain't constuctive and has nothing to do with user support.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> i did not say I was trolling nfk , you'd better check your facts and the text before you make accusations
[19:38] <lordievader> BluesKaj, drop it.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> lordievader,   this guy has to learn to leave users alone when they request it
[19:40] <BluesKaj> ok , back to support as you requested lordievader
[19:41] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Thank you.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  NP
[19:47] <nfk> BluesKaj, you can't claim to known A/V and then get color management wrong 3 times with a straight face
[19:47] <BluesKaj> guess I'd better check Wily to see if there's anything new there ...bbiab
[19:47] <nfk> or rather, do that 3 times and then claim to know A/V
[19:49] <lordievader> nfk: Please drop it.
[19:49] <nfk> since he quit, that's the state of things
[19:49] <nfk> but if he brings it up, i'm not letting go
[19:49] <nfk> +it
[19:50]  * lordievader sighs deeply
[20:07]  * ahoneybun hugs BluesKaj and lordievader
[20:07] <ahoneybun> love from akademy and the whole world
[20:08] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun, how's things ?
[20:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: You are at the Akademy?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: great, awesome times with ovidiu-florin, his brother and Vali
[20:09] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yepp
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Nice, nice. Having fun?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> cool
[20:09] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yep
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Good :D
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I've blogged it in case you want to know more usefoss.com BluesKaj lordievader
[20:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Is it on planetkde (or however that collection of blogs was called)?
[20:11] <lordievader> Because then I'll see it in due time ;)
[20:12] <ahoneybun> lordievader: now I have my blog in planetkde.org thanks to Riddell
[20:12] <lordievader> :D
[20:12] <lordievader> Then I'll see it in due time.
[20:13] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, interesting, my daughter is doing the El Camino Santiago pilgrimage trekk as we speak, she'll be walking nearby , but that won't be near A Coruna for a few weeks I imagine.
[20:17] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:17] <ahoneybun> darn
[20:18] <BluesKaj> she's even used linux on a laptop i gave her a few yrs back
[20:19] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:20] <Taggnostr> hello
[20:21] <Taggnostr> I'm trying to use the dark breeze theme, however the bottom bar is still white, and I can't see the icons (the K and anything else in the tray on the right)
[20:22] <Taggnostr> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67452-Breeze-Dark-Desktop-Theme-Better-but-the-Panel  I found this, but even after checking blur and background contrast I still don't see the icon, and the bar is still white
[20:24] <BluesKaj> well, time to call it a day ... take care all
[22:53] <popcar> hai
[22:54] <soee> hiho popcar
[22:54] <popcar> Anyone else having the Kwallet issue?
[22:54] <popcar> randomly pops up when connecting to network, getting annoying right now
[22:55] <soee> randomly or always on reboot ?
[22:55] <popcar> usually when I connect to a network or attempt to
[22:55] <popcar> yeah, it always happens after I type the password of the network
[22:56] <soee> well this si how kwallet behaves atm in Plasma 5.3
[22:57] <popcar> hm
[22:57] <popcar> any possible way to fix it?
[22:58] <soee> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-05/msg00520.html
[23:00] <popcar> hm alright
[23:03] <soee> popcar: 5.4 will be a great release so lets hope it will be fixed there :)
[23:03] <popcar> 5.4? when will that release?
[23:05] <soee> popcar: next moth 25th
[23:05] <soee> *month
[23:05] <popcar> nice. hoping that it's more stable
[23:05] <soee> but first build wil be for Wily
[23:05] <popcar> so far kubuntu has been great but it isn't really... consistent
[23:05] <soee> than probablt vivid backport
[23:06] <soee> popcar: you are on Vivid ?
[23:06] <popcar> Vivid?
[23:06] <soee> Kubuntu 15.04
[23:06] <popcar> Yeah.
[23:06] <soee> well a lot of bugfixes is already in Plasma 5.3.2 that Scarlett works on backports
[23:07] <soee> maybe this week it will show up in backports
[23:07] <popcar> hopefully.
[23:07] <popcar> I'm sure the devs are super busy making the next version of kubuntu but...
[23:08] <popcar> stability comes first
[23:23] <sgclark> I need testerss for frameworks first. Any welcome appreciated..
[23:23] <sgclark> err help welcome
[23:33] <popcar> sgclark I can test stuff but i never did beta testing nor do I understand coding that much X3