[09:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS>  hey brobostigon
[10:02] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[10:09] <beilby> just taken just taken OSMC image from 4GB SD to 16GB SD it boots & works, is there a way to resize from Ubuntu to enable me to use all of the 16GB card please?
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> beilby: there probably is, what's OSMC?
[10:10] <beilby> raspberry pi distro
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> beilby: if you plug the SD into an Ubuntu machine, you can resize/move the partition(s) using the "gnome-disks" or "gparted" tools
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> (I prefer gparted myself)
[10:12] <brobostigon> if memory serves, with raspbian for the pi, there was a tool built into it, to resize itself.
[10:14] <beilby> yes, I am looking for that too, stuggling though
[10:20] <beilby> I guess I want to
[10:20] <beilby> osmc@osmc:~$ df -h
[10:20] <beilby> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:20] <beilby> /dev/root       3.4G  819M  2.4G  26% /
[10:20] <beilby> devtmpfs         63M     0   63M   0% /dev
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M     0   67M   0% /dev/shm
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M  4.4M   62M   7% /run
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M     0   67M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[10:20] <beilby> /dev/mmcblk0p1  240M   16M  224M   7% /boot
[10:21] <beilby> tmpfs            14M     0   14M   0% /run/user/1000
[10:21] <beilby> dev/root 3.4GB
[10:22] <beilby> resize2fs is there
[14:27]  * penguin42 is glad he went for a nice walk yesterday - it's cold and horrid today
[14:31] <Laney> today and the rest of the week :(
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's summer, of course it's miserable outside :-)
[14:38] <knightwise> just started to rain outside. Not considering this "summer" :)
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> I can't wait to be sat in the queue to Folkstone whilst the rain lashes down. With two dogs. Who will probably be desperate for the lav....
[15:15] <Nokaji> Any recommendations on blu ray media and best prices, I need a few rewritable and some write_once. I'm new to the BR market so any other advice such as buy verbatim or avoid LTH also welcome.
[15:28]  * penguin42 turns the heating up and switches gas tarrif
[16:11]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if if it might be cheaper to announce on social media that you are looking for cheaper gas, wait for all the bumpf to arrive through letterbox and burn it to keep warm... :-)
[16:12] <penguin42> haha possible
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> maybe mention planning a big order for marshmallows for local scout groups for a few free bags of marshmallows to toast over the free fire... :-p
[16:20] <TwistedLucidity> Sorting home insurance. Such a total PITA.
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> cheaper to install a scorpion/crocodile pit :-)
[18:20] <diddledan> allo
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[18:27] <ging> has anyone ever used a cd as an apt source after install on 14.04 or newer ?
[18:34] <penguin42> no, but it should be possible, normally it leaves a commented out thing in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <ging> only trouble is i still can't get it to work, since 14.04 the default mountpoint for cds is /media/$user/ it used to be /media/ which seems to be where apt still expects it to be
[18:42] <ging> i filed a bug 6 months ago but i don't seem to be able to convince anyone that this is a real problem
[18:42] <penguin42> but then how is apt supposed to know which user will present the CD
[18:42] <penguin42> ging: What is the line you have in /etc/apt/sources.list for cdrom?
[18:44] <penguin42> ging: But I have to agree that my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00CDMountPoint still points to /media/cdrom
[18:45] <ging> penguin42: there is nothing there currently i cleaned it all out and tried to add it via the software centre and you just don't seem to be able to do it unless you hack fstab and force it to mount to /media instead
[18:47] <penguin42> ging:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943567/
[18:47] <penguin42> ging: Looks like you can specify the path
[18:48] <penguin42> ging: Or use the apt-cdrom command to do it
[18:49] <ging> when i tried it before i was able to add it by specifying the path, but when it ccame to trying installing a package from it it went back to expecting to find it at the default mount point
[18:49] <penguin42> hmm
[18:55] <ging> i don't understand how it's not an issue which as got more attention, because it doesn't seem to be an obscure set of hardware or config which causes it, it seem to be an issue on any machine
[18:56] <diddledan> ging: it's not a common thing to do
[18:57] <diddledan> most computers are connected to the net so installing direct from the mirror is standard practice
[18:57] <penguin42> it's not unheard of though
[18:58] <diddledan> no, but if you're futsing around trying to get packages installed in an offline-only scenario then you can usually figure out how to install the deb packages manually
[18:58] <penguin42> mind you there's a guy on #ubuntu-offtopic who just installed an ancient thinkpad using a thumb drive over USB-1.1 - ouch
[18:58] <diddledan> jeebers
[18:59] <diddledan> the answer is to just plug the thing into the net
[19:00] <penguin42> yeh that's what I said
[19:01] <ging> i need to distribute some packages offline, and having to have a work around for people to be able to use the cds is something of a pain
[19:02] <diddledan> why not use apt-mirror?
[19:02] <diddledan> do you _really_ _need_ to distribute packages offline?
[19:03]  * penguin42 can see he might need to
[19:03] <penguin42> I've come across machines with some broadcom ether which you need to install stuff before the net will wake up
[19:03] <diddledan> yeah but in those cases you don't do it via apt
[19:03] <diddledan> you download the single package you need and install it with dpkg
[19:04] <d3ngar> Hi there, I'm experiencing a strange issue: when I plug in my USB network adapter I do not resolve host names anymore. Any ideas why that is?
[19:04] <diddledan> d3ngar: you'll have to be more specific I think
[19:04] <diddledan> d3ngar: what do you do, what do you expect, what really happens?
[19:04] <d3ngar> diddledan: mmm, what can I say: I can still browse with IP addresses
[19:05] <d3ngar> I have a USB network adapter for my laptop, it doesn't have a normal ethernet card - only WiFi
[19:05] <d3ngar> And so to use a wired connection, I use this USB ethernet adapter.
[19:05] <d3ngar> It connects fine, identifies the device and all that, but it just won't resolve host names.
[19:06] <diddledan> ok. when you use wireless you can connect using hostnames?
[19:06] <d3ngar> yep
[19:06] <penguin42> d3ngar: and where did you plug the ethernet cable in?
[19:06] <d3ngar> In my home router. It's one of those Sky things
[19:06] <d3ngar> But to be honest,the issue came up at work first
[19:06] <d3ngar> There it was some other router
[19:07] <d3ngar> Same problem though
[19:07] <penguin42> d3ngar: What happens if you switch wireless off, and then plug the ethernet in?
[19:07] <d3ngar> Same thing
[19:07] <d3ngar> Actually, I only disconnected the WiFi
[19:07] <d3ngar> Didn't completely switch it off
[19:07] <diddledan> have you perhaps toggled the thingy in network-manager that tells it not to use your dhcp-supplied dns config or perhaps set a static dns config?
[19:08] <d3ngar> Just checked: no
[19:08] <d3ngar> It's pretty much left as it was from the installation
[19:09] <d3ngar> And the issue just suddenly appeared
[19:09] <d3ngar> What's really bizzare to me is that I can still browse the internet using IP addresses
[19:09] <penguin42> not bizarre if DNS is broken
[19:09] <d3ngar> So it has t oahve something to do with how the DNS settings are refreshed
[19:09] <d3ngar> yes
[19:10] <d3ngar> Bizarre even (or not so)
[19:12] <ging> i used to have a problem with openvpn breaking resolvconf i suspect it is a similar thing
[19:12] <d3ngar> Isn't resolvconf meant to refresh when I plug the cable in?
[19:14] <ging> meant to, but things seem to go wrong with it
[19:14] <d3ngar> Can I trigger that manually?
[19:15] <ging> it's quite hard to do manually first i'd check that resolv.conf is still symlink and hasn't been overwriten with a file
[19:16] <d3ngar> It is still a symlink
[19:16] <ging> that was the problem i had, all the fiddling with resolvconf was doing nothing
[19:17] <ging> is the namesever in the file localhost or something else?
[19:17] <d3ngar> yes, well 127.0.0.1
[19:17] <d3ngar> At the moment, at leasr
[19:18] <d3ngar> I'm using the WLAN
[19:18] <penguin42> but that's ok, ubuntu normally sets up a local DNS cache thing
[19:18] <d3ngar> I have also noticed that I cannot ifdown or ifup. It keeps saying that it's not configured
[19:18] <d3ngar> Either interface
[19:19]  * penguin42 is expecting nm is managing it
[19:19] <d3ngar> Albeit they are definitely configured and working
[19:22] <d3ngar> Seems like I'm out again
[19:22] <d3ngar> More strange, I tried the cable again to see what might happen
[19:23] <d3ngar> to the resolve.conf. I stayed connected, but then after 1 minute it dropped.
[19:24] <daftykins> i purge resolvconf and just edit the file by hand to avoid drama
[19:28] <ging> using vi or a magnetized needle and a steady hand?
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> butterflies or nothing!! :-)
[19:29] <daftykins> well, nano
[19:29] <daftykins> i don't see the sense in text editors you have to learn :P
[19:31]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what text editor daftykins was reared on without learning...
[19:31] <ging> you still have to learn most of the shortcut in nano, it's just a bit easier to figure out how to do simple edits
[19:31] <penguin42> ging: The first 5-10 years of vi is the worst, after that you get to like it.
[19:31] <daftykins> now you're just being facetious.
[19:32]  * penguin42 is on about his 27th year of vi I think
[19:32] <ging> i seem to have to constantly switch between vi and nano because there are things i know how to do in vi and not nano but nano is eaiser for most other things
[19:33] <penguin42> ging: Here, have a simple summary of vi I wrote ages ago; http://www.treblig.org/talks/vitalk/index.html
[19:33] <penguin42> there are others available
[19:34] <ging> can you write one for nano too?
[19:34] <penguin42> no, if you need a summary for nano you're beyond help
[19:41] <diddledan> ergh, I hate that - it would seem that the dns information is only available via dbus with a network-manager interface
[19:41] <diddledan> I don't know, then, how to get at it
[19:41] <diddledan> it _used_ to be saved in /var/run or /run
[19:41] <diddledan> now it seems it's config-fileless
[19:43] <diddledan> I miss the days when everything was a transparent config file away. now it's all via opaque services talking to each other with no way of knowing what they're up to
[19:43] <ging> they are sending all your internets to amazon
[19:44] <diddledan> huh?
[19:45] <penguin42> diddledan: Yay for SunOS4 days :-)
[19:46] <ging> it's all so you can't see that your local machine has be replaced wit ha dumb terminal and everything is going on in the amazon cloud and everything you do is being watched so they know when you are most vulnerable to targetted adverts
[19:46] <diddledan> I get the idea behind it is for things to "just work" but it makes it completely impossible to diagnose when it doesn't "just work"
[19:47] <diddledan> amazon don't advertise
[19:47] <penguin42> maybe /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[19:47] <diddledan> you're thinking of google
[19:47] <ging> for chromebooks it's google for ubuntu it's amazon
[19:48]  * penguin42 thinks ging is referring to the search term thing
[19:48] <diddledan> penguin42: nope that's the resolv.conf used to point the nss to look at 127.0.1.1 where there should be a dnsmasq listening - I'm looking for the dnsmasq config to ask d3ngar to pastebin but it doesn't exist
[19:49] <ging> network manage does it or something
[19:49] <penguin42> ah, yeh I've got dnsmasq disabled on this box
[19:50] <diddledan> penguin42: I'm thinking there's a discrepency between his two network configurations for dns
[19:50] <diddledan> but I can't prove it without no files
[19:51] <penguin42> nod
[19:51] <penguin42> right, time to disappear - back to work tomorrow
[20:11] <d3ngar> In the end it started to work! By itself no less...
[20:11] <d3ngar> I wonder for how long or why it wasn't working before
[22:51] <daftykins> wow
[22:51] <daftykins> Myrtti: bit funked up there.
[22:58] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:02] <m0nkey_> Myrtti husband is messing with the internet connection again.