| magespawn | good morning | 05:27 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | morning all | 05:49 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 05:51 |
| Kilos | hi my magespawn | 05:51 |
| === MaN1 is now known as MaNI | ||
| stickyboy | Anyone got Apple Music? | 10:58 |
| === Webtricity is now known as Guest20640 | ||
| === Sub_Oracle is now known as SubOracle | ||
| gremble | Good afternoon | 13:50 |
| Kilos | hi gremble and others | 15:10 |
| stickyboy | gremble: Sup | 15:44 |
| Kios | ai1 | 16:36 |
| Kios | ai!as well | 16:36 |
| Kilos- | hmm... | 16:52 |
| Kilos- | inetpro, is your away thing broken? | 16:52 |
| Kilos- | ai! | 16:54 |
| Kilos- | cloaks missing | 16:54 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 16:58 |
| superfly | The shed is being loaded | 17:01 |
| * superfly wonders if Kilos is thinking | 17:04 | |
| Kilos | lol | 17:05 |
| Kilos | thinking how i used to setup hexchat ya | 17:05 |
| superfly | I never got a comment about my comment, so I was wondering if you were confused | 17:05 |
| Kilos | having a system work for a year lets you forget what you used to do every now and again | 17:06 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:06 |
| Kilos | i have 14.04 unity flavour running on T410 alongside win 7 and 14.04 kde | 17:08 |
| Kilos | nice and fast little lappy | 17:09 |
| Kilos | better with usb mouse though | 17:09 |
| Kilos | i need some advice please, they say skype to skype calls are free | 17:57 |
| Kilos | what does it do to your 3g data bundle | 17:57 |
| Kilos | and if it uses your data is that on incoming as well as outgoing calls | 17:58 |
| gremble | Yes | 17:58 |
| gremble | On both | 17:58 |
| gremble | Since they require data transfer | 17:58 |
| gremble | So anything that sends/receives packets costs money/data | 17:59 |
| Kilos | so all these other things like viber and fring are the same | 17:59 |
| gremble | Yup | 17:59 |
| Kilos | so where does the free bit come in | 17:59 |
| gremble | Nothing is "free". You may not pay for the service, but you still have to pay your ISP for their service | 17:59 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:00 |
| Kilos | but | 18:00 |
| Kilos | next | 18:00 |
| gremble | It is like the mechanic doesn't charge you for fixing your car, but you still have to pay for the petrol to drive there | 18:00 |
| Kilos | it will be cheaper than using airtime right | 18:00 |
| gremble | That I don't know. I think so | 18:00 |
| Kilos | the voip thing | 18:00 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I looked at it... Let me find the site | 18:01 |
| Kilos | ty Squirm | 18:01 |
| gremble | Vodafone did try and make VoIP something like R15/MB, but I don't know whether they succeeded | 18:01 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:01 |
| Squirm | 40Mb-50Mb per hour | 18:01 |
| Kilos | R15 a meg | 18:01 |
| Kilos | oh thats not too bad | 18:01 |
| Squirm | so * that by per Mb cost | 18:02 |
| Kilos | oi | 18:02 |
| Squirm | But if you have a good connection, Skype ups the quality | 18:02 |
| Squirm | so it's an estimate | 18:02 |
| Squirm | Kilos: How much do you pay for data? | 18:02 |
| Kilos | R199 for 3g | 18:02 |
| Squirm | R0.06 per Mb | 18:03 |
| Kilos | i foned the other day and used R50 in less than an hour | 18:03 |
| Squirm | Maaz: 0.06*60 | 18:03 |
| Maaz | Squirm: 3.6 | 18:03 |
| Squirm | No way | 18:03 |
| Squirm | R3.6 per hour? LIES | 18:04 |
| Kilos | i foned aus | 18:04 |
| Squirm | My calcualtion must be off | 18:04 |
| Kilos | oh you not talking to me | 18:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:04 |
| Squirm | How much did the call cost? | 18:04 |
| Kilos | R51 | 18:05 |
| Kilos | i dont know where to see the time | 18:05 |
| Squirm | Open Skype | 18:05 |
| Squirm | is there a history tab? | 18:06 |
| Squirm | I have a history tab on osx | 18:06 |
| Kilos | nono i used fone | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Or, open the chat window, sometimes it shows you in the chat | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Oh | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Which phone? | 18:06 |
| Kilos | cell and airtime | 18:06 |
| Kilos | old nokia | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Hit the green call button once | 18:06 |
| Squirm | Should bring up the call log? | 18:07 |
| Kilos | no brought up a code from telegram | 18:07 |
| Kilos | cloeared that then it said no calls when i hit green button again | 18:08 |
| Kilos | says no numbers | 18:08 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:08 |
| Kilos | this thing dont record any of that | 18:09 |
| Kilos | must be turned off or something | 18:09 |
| Kilos | last call | 18:10 |
| Kilos | 28 mins 14 secs | 18:10 |
| Kilos | 51/28 | 18:11 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz 51/28 | 18:11 |
| Maaz | Kilos: 1.82142857143 | 18:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz 28/51 | 18:12 |
| Maaz | Kilos: 0.549019607843 | 18:12 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:12 |
| Cryterion | Evening Everyone | 18:25 |
| Squirm | Kilos: looks like Skype might be better | 18:28 |
| Squirm | Skype to Skype though | 18:28 |
| Squirm | Skype to landline will cost the same as a local landline call+data charge | 18:28 |
| Squirm | R2pm though | 18:29 |
| Cryterion | anyone know the new telkom huawei routers? | 18:30 |
| gremble | Hey Cryterion | 18:31 |
| Cryterion | Hiya gremble | 18:31 |
| gremble | We had one. I don't know if it was a "new" one, but fairly nice none the less | 18:31 |
| gremble | Only issue I had was connecting to it with netctl. But I suspect that is because netctl is shitty | 18:31 |
| Cryterion | Prefer their old one, you have decent port forwarding options, on this new one you can only do it via NAT, which isn't working | 18:32 |
| Kilos | ty Squirm | 18:33 |
| Cryterion | if I put my inet ip into address, I get the gateway login screen, not the forward to web server, grrrr | 18:34 |
| Cryterion | Hiya Squirm and Kilos | 18:34 |
| Kilos | hi Cryterion | 18:35 |
| Squirm | Hey Cryterion | 18:38 |
| Squirm | I don't know you do I? | 18:38 |
| Squirm | Well, do you recognise my nick? | 18:38 |
| Cryterion | Yes, you been here awhile, as I have, we probably haven't formally met yet | 18:39 |
| Squirm | Hmmm.. No.. I knew that nick from another server a few years back | 18:40 |
| Cryterion | Few years could be many years for me, been along time since I've used irc everyday since the late 90's until a few months ago again | 18:41 |
| Squirm | No... | 18:41 |
| Squirm | But now I see your real name is different | 18:41 |
| Squirm | Never mind | 18:41 |
| Squirm | I knew a Cryterion fron Centurion is about 2007ish | 18:43 |
| Squirm | Interested in where the nickname came from then? | 18:44 |
| Cryterion | hmmm, wasn't me then | 18:44 |
| Squirm | Nope | 18:45 |
| Cryterion | I started using this nick about 25 years ago as a screen name, have since, and was prob mainly cause it was just different | 18:46 |
| Cryterion | used cryterion instead of criterion | 18:47 |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:03 |
| gremble | emacs is amazing *-* | 19:04 |
| gremble | Hey inetpro | 19:04 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 19:04 |
| inetpro | vim ftw! | 19:04 |
| inetpro | http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png | 19:09 |
| Squirm | gremble: It's hard to learn :/ | 19:09 |
| Squirm | As that link suggests, actually | 19:10 |
| inetpro | Squirm: maybe a bit hard to begin with but very quick to learn | 19:11 |
| Squirm | I've stuck with Atom for now | 19:11 |
| Squirm | Editing bash, python and YAML files | 19:11 |
| Squirm | so I should be ok | 19:12 |
| * inetpro tried emacs several times | 19:12 | |
| Squirm | A few of our devs use it | 19:13 |
| * Cryterion doesn't see nano in that graph :( | 19:13 | |
| inetpro | I just keep going back to vim/vi because it's the one thing you'll find on just about every *nix environment | 19:13 |
| MaNI | nano! | 19:14 |
| gremble | MaNI: Nano and emacs have similar commands | 19:16 |
| gremble | Also, I am learning lisp as well. This makes emacs less terrible :P | 19:16 |
| Squirm | inetpro: I use vim when I edit on a remote server. But we use ansible and config management, so it's often just wit my editor on my local machine | 19:16 |
| Squirm | so between vim and atom, I do everything | 19:17 |
| gremble | I like vim a lot, but so far I am having more fun and being more productive in emacs. I just need to get the movement keys down. They're still weird. I am thinking about trying evil | 19:17 |
| * inetpro should learn to do ansible | 19:17 | |
| Squirm | Yeah | 19:17 |
| Squirm | It's where the YAML comes in | 19:18 |
| Cryterion | yeah MaNI, I use nano for basics | 19:20 |
| MaNI | I don't trust any program where ctrl+c doesn't exit | 19:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:21 |
| MaNI | or ctrl+x | 19:21 |
| MaNI | :p | 19:21 |
| Kilos | i like nano | 19:21 |
| Kilos | all i can use | 19:22 |
| inetpro | MaNI: uh, you also one of those who press the reset button to exit vim? | 19:24 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:24 |
| MaNI | haha, nah I know how to use vim | 19:25 |
| MaNI | I just find it annoying when people redefine such fundamental basic operating rules | 19:25 |
| MaNI | certain things should be obeyed :p | 19:25 |
| * inetpro prefers to make double sure about changes in any file | 19:27 | |
| inetpro | too easy to make mistakes with a basic editor like nano without noticing it | 19:28 |
| gremble | If you want a random string you have a noob try and exit ed | 19:30 |
| inetpro | config management is definitely the better way to do it | 19:30 |
| inetpro | haha, I used to enjoy ed and ex at some point | 19:31 |
| Squirm | Never heard of it | 19:35 |
| Squirm | Kilos: it took a while. But vim is better than nano | 19:35 |
| Kilos | for those that can learn it yeah | 19:35 |
| Kilos | for the few things i need to chnge nano works great | 19:36 |
| Squirm | Kilos: | 19:36 |
| Squirm | http://hdwallpapers.cat/wallpaper/linux_cheat_sheet_wallpaper_nmap_vim_ssh_hd-wallpaper-619059.jpg | 19:36 |
| Kilos | change | 19:36 |
| Squirm | check the vim section | 19:36 |
| Cryterion | ctrl+x doesn't work on vim ctrl+\ does, but nano is easy | 19:37 |
| Squirm | The only thing that it doesn't mention, is use esc to change modes | 19:37 |
| Squirm | Kilos: Also, sometimes helps setting an image like that as your wallpaper :) | 19:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:38 |
| Squirm | Seriously | 19:38 |
| Kilos | no man i dont need to learn more stuffs | 19:38 |
| Kilos | yes it will help having it as a wall paper i agree | 19:38 |
| Kilos | if i fiddled in files lots i would try it | 19:39 |
| Cryterion | def gonna put it up as well | 19:39 |
| inetpro | sudo apt-get install vim-runtime && vimtutor | 19:39 |
| Kilos | i only ever change 2 files | 19:39 |
| Squirm | Kilos: vimtutor! | 19:39 |
| Squirm | vimtutor is great! | 19:39 |
| Kilos | and one for sound | 19:39 |
| Squirm | Cryterion: when you're learning, it's fantastic | 19:39 |
| * Cryterion goes to look | 19:39 | |
| Kilos | nono i tried vim tutor | 19:39 |
| Squirm | Even just to recall | 19:39 |
| Cryterion | Yeah, learnt today you can't rename files | 19:40 |
| Squirm | tbh - I've never used it :D | 19:40 |
| Cryterion | but you move them to the new filename | 19:40 |
| Squirm | Well. Used commands once or twice, but never set it as my bg | 19:40 |
| Squirm | Cryterion: indeed | 19:40 |
| Squirm | Sam thing | 19:40 |
| gremble | Technically that is what a move is on linux | 19:40 |
| gremble | You don't change the location of the file | 19:41 |
| Cryterion | yip, just the terminology is different | 19:41 |
| gremble | Just its name in the directory structure | 19:41 |
| Squirm | Yep | 19:41 |
| Squirm | Cryterion: then have a look at the difference between a symlink and a hardlink | 19:41 |
| gremble | Tea and toast with syrup. Now I am ready for the day | 19:42 |
| Squirm | Nice | 19:42 |
| Kilos | syruo is lekker | 19:42 |
| Squirm | Wait... gremble... The day? | 19:42 |
| Kilos | tate and lyles is the best | 19:42 |
| Kilos | but expensive | 19:42 |
| gremble | I don't have to get up at 5 tomorrow. That means I still have a couple of hours of work that I get to do | 19:42 |
| Squirm | Cryterion: I could probably list my few most used commands | 19:44 |
| Squirm | Wel.. my favourite | 19:44 |
| gremble | ls | 19:44 |
| gremble | :P | 19:44 |
| Squirm | less +F | 19:44 |
| Squirm | ssh -L | 19:44 |
| Squirm | dig | 19:44 |
| Squirm | ps | 19:44 |
| Squirm | killall | 19:44 |
| Squirm | well, ps aux | 19:45 |
| Squirm | and killall processID | 19:45 |
| Squirm | no wait, killall processBIN | 19:45 |
| Squirm | :P | 19:45 |
| Squirm | and du -h and df -h | 19:45 |
| gremble | ps aux is like htop for masochistic people | 19:45 |
| Squirm | gremble: I always use it with grep though | 19:45 |
| Squirm | and I use htop and top to check the box | 19:46 |
| Squirm | oh and tar zxf and tar zcf | 19:46 |
| gremble | One day I will learn grep xD | 19:46 |
| Squirm | zxf to extract and zcf to create | 19:46 |
| Squirm | gremble: the nice thing, is you can grep for words | 19:47 |
| gremble | Perhaps when we are doing Regular expressions in discrete structures | 19:47 |
| Squirm | ps aux | grep apache | 19:47 |
| Squirm | ps aux | grep nginx | 19:47 |
| Squirm | ps aux | grep java | 19:47 |
| Squirm | etc | 19:47 |
| gremble | Yup. Just tried that with emacs | 19:47 |
| Squirm | With that cheat sheet I pasted. The only commands I don't use, are Netcat and Nmap(used some of Nmap) | 19:49 |
| Squirm | Otherwise, I use the others almost weekly | 19:49 |
| Kilos | night all sleep tight | 19:50 |
| inetpro | good night oom Kilos | 19:50 |
| superfly | Squirm: when you're extracting with tar you don't need to specify the type. It will automatically detect from the file name | 19:50 |
| Squirm | superfly: that's interesting | 19:51 |
| Squirm | Thanks | 19:51 |
| * superfly is also old-school and still uses -xf | 19:51 | |
| Squirm | :P | 19:52 |
| Squirm | I'd probably still carry on doing it | 19:52 |
| Squirm | But it's good to know | 19:52 |
| Squirm | every now and again I use gunzip | 19:52 |
| Squirm | But it's not often | 19:52 |
| inetpro | Squirm: with egrep you can grep for multiple patterns at once | 19:52 |
| inetpro | eg: ps aux | egrep "apache|nginx|java" | 19:52 |
| superfly | And I recently started using vim properly. Use the right plugins and vim is AMAZING | 19:53 |
| Squirm | superfly: vim has plugins? | 19:53 |
| Squirm | I;ve never looked | 19:53 |
| Squirm | I've* | 19:53 |
| superfly | Yebo | 19:53 |
| gremble | That is what is exciting about NeoVim | 19:53 |
| gremble | Better plugin system | 19:53 |
| superfly | Look up oh-my-vim | 19:53 |
| gremble | Even async | 19:53 |
| Squirm | superfly: will do | 19:53 |
| superfly | And while you're at it, install zsh and oh-my-zsh | 19:53 |
| gremble | ^ | 19:54 |
| Squirm | superfly: I have... | 19:54 |
| gremble | I second that :P | 19:54 |
| Squirm | zsh something | 19:54 |
| superfly | And stop using bash | 19:54 |
| Squirm | zprezto | 19:54 |
| Squirm | Meant to be a little quicker | 19:54 |
| superfly | Squirm: not talking directly to you, more just to the channel on general | 19:54 |
| superfly | *im | 19:54 |
| Squirm | :P | 19:54 |
| Squirm | kk | 19:54 |
| superfly | *in | 19:54 |
| Squirm | But yes, zsh is good | 19:55 |
| Squirm | Not sure who uses a Mac here, but I've been using a iTerm for a while. But then I found TotalTerminal :D There is a linux version nuvolari recommended to me | 19:56 |
| superfly | The oh-my-vim install script doesn't work correctly at the moment, thanks to the version of virtualenv it downloads, but come ask me and I'll get you up and running | 19:56 |
| Squirm | But alas, osx | 19:56 |
| gremble | Can't you get unix stuff running on osx through brew, or does it have to be prebuilt and specially packaged? | 19:57 |
| gremble | (I have no idea how those things work) | 19:57 |
| Squirm | gremble: It depends. Not everything is on brew | 19:58 |
| gremble | Ah | 19:58 |
| superfly | gremble: there's homebrew and MacPorts because of that. | 19:58 |
| Squirm | More of the common sourceforge packages are | 19:58 |
| Squirm | Not everything though : | 19:58 |
| Squirm | :/ | 19:58 |
| Squirm | But it's pretty good | 19:58 |
| Squirm | and as simple as apt-get | 19:59 |
| superfly | Ya | 19:59 |
| gremble | Or pacman -S | 19:59 |
| Squirm | Haven't had to use MacPorts uet | 19:59 |
| gremble | :P | 19:59 |
| Squirm | yet* | 19:59 |
| Squirm | As simple as a linux package manager* | 19:59 |
| gremble | xD | 19:59 |
| superfly | I've used MacPorts, and it's slightly more like Portage | 19:59 |
| MaNI | my experience | 20:00 |
| Squirm | gremble: pick a linux application you'd like on brew?(not sure if you have a mac) | 20:00 |
| MaNI | macports/brew etc. are okay but expect lots of things to not work or only half work | 20:00 |
| gremble | I don't have a mac | 20:00 |
| gremble | I have a really old compaq | 20:00 |
| gremble | :P | 20:00 |
| MaNI | its not well maintained like portage or any other proper linux distro | 20:00 |
| Squirm | gremble: then pick something? | 20:00 |
| superfly | For some of the stuff I needed to recompile it, so now everything I install using MacPorts is compiled | 20:00 |
| gremble | Uhm. urxvt-256color | 20:01 |
| gremble | rxvt* | 20:01 |
| Squirm | lol | 20:01 |
| Squirm | Well that's not there :D | 20:01 |
| gremble | That is a shame | 20:01 |
| gremble | That is one of the best terminal emulators | 20:02 |
| gremble | :P | 20:02 |
| Squirm | gremble: Just found this: http://braumeister.org/ | 20:02 |
| Squirm | But if it's there, it's easy to install | 20:03 |
| Squirm | Well. I should have been in bed a while ago, but it's been interesting | 20:04 |
| Squirm | Cheers all | 20:04 |
| * Squirm makes his hot water bottle | 20:04 | |
| Squirm | CT is still coldish :/ | 20:04 |
| Squirm | Even after the sun today | 20:05 |
| gremble | It is freezing in PTA | 20:05 |
| gremble | Cheers Squirm | 20:05 |
| gremble | 9.8degC atm | 20:05 |
| MaNI | takes more than 2 days of sun to get rid of the damp ground | 20:06 |
| MaNI | hope these aren't the only 2 days of sun we have in the next few weeks, I may have missed my only chance to install my solar panels :/ | 20:06 |
| Cryterion | MaNi sunny next 3 days in dbn | 20:08 |
| MaNI | mon/tue apparently still sunny here in CT | 20:09 |
| MaNI | but we will see | 20:09 |
| gremble | Man up and do it in the rain | 20:10 |
| gremble | :P | 20:10 |
| MaNI | don't know how long it will take the aluminium people to fix their mistake - they delived steel to me on friday instead of aluminium, dissapointing stuff :p | 20:10 |
| MaNI | heh I'm not scared of rain, but I'm scared of my roof even when its sunny its quite slippery | 20:10 |
| gremble | You don't need your legs to use a computer, just make sure you land correctly | 20:11 |
| Cryterion | use rope, tie properly so you don't end up hanging yourself | 20:11 |
| MaNI | hehe | 20:11 |
| gremble | "This safery harnass is tied securely to my neck and testicles. Now I will be to scared to fall." | 20:11 |
| MaNI | knowing my luck I'll trip on the rope | 20:11 |
| gremble | Oh superfly, did you see the link that I posted for you? :P | 20:12 |
| MaNI | still can't believe they delivered the wrong metal | 20:12 |
| Cryterion | send it back rusted :) | 20:13 |
| MaNI | I keep trying to convince myself that I'm mistaken, and that aluminium which rusts red and attracts magnets does exist, but I just can't do it :p | 20:13 |
| Cryterion | I ordered MS once, then got told to collect it from a SS only supplier!, realised the f-up then and wouldn't collect | 20:15 |
| MaNI | I guess I should have noticed when they were offloading, but it was raining hard and lots of other chaos was going on | 20:16 |
| gremble | Do they have to come pick it up again? | 20:17 |
| MaNI | yeah | 20:17 |
| MaNI | well they aren't open on weekends | 20:18 |
| MaNI | so fighting that out is tomorrow mornings fun | 20:18 |
| Cryterion | Did the quote say Alu? | 20:19 |
| MaNI | yes | 20:19 |
| Cryterion | Invoice? | 20:19 |
| MaNI | also, I think the delivery boys just loaded the wrong thing, they are a steel place so they're probably not used to obscure orders | 20:20 |
| Cryterion | so shouldn't be hard to argue | 20:21 |
| Cryterion | you just presenting the f-up | 20:21 |
| MaNI | yeah | 20:21 |
| MaNI | I imagine it should be okay, though never know for sure, people can be weird | 20:21 |
| Cryterion | true | 20:22 |
| Cryterion | what steel co did you order from, I normally get alu through hulamin | 20:23 |
| MaNI | crawford steel (aspect) | 20:23 |
| Cryterion | hmm, don't know them | 20:23 |
| MaNI | couldn't find any helpful aluminium places in the area, I don't order metal often | 20:24 |
| superfly | gremble: I did, just haven't had the opportunity to download it | 20:24 |
| superfly | gremble: thanks | 20:25 |
| MaNI | halumin, will remember for next time :p | 20:25 |
| MaNI | *hulamin | 20:25 |
| Cryterion | ok, well hope all goes well tomorrow, try "kmg" next time, as they're the now the country wide Alu distributor | 20:26 |
| Cryterion | hulamin/stalcor are now kmg, kulungile metals group | 20:26 |
| superfly | MaNI: once it's all up and running, I might have to come and visit you. | 20:28 |
| MaNI | hehe | 20:29 |
| MaNI | I'll create a guide book or something | 20:30 |
| Cryterion | anyway, goodnight everyone | 20:31 |
| MaNI | Cryterion, I don't suppose you've ever encountered something equivalent to http://www.we-llc.com/products/weeb-washer | 20:31 |
| MaNI | oh you're off, nevermind then :p | 20:31 |
| Cryterion | best bet kmg, or get them laser-cut and bent | 20:33 |
| Cryterion | it's part of the alu products, so kmg would be best off shelf | 20:34 |
| MaNI | hehe, okay thanks, goodnight ;) | 20:35 |
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