[05:27] good morning [05:49] morning all [05:51] hi Kilos [05:51] hi my magespawn === MaN1 is now known as MaNI [10:58] Anyone got Apple Music? === Webtricity is now known as Guest20640 === Sub_Oracle is now known as SubOracle [13:50] Good afternoon [15:10] hi gremble and others [15:44] gremble: Sup [16:36] ai1 [16:36] ai!as well [16:52] hmm... [16:52] inetpro, is your away thing broken? [16:54] ai! [16:54] cloaks missing [16:58] ohi superfly [17:01] The shed is being loaded [17:04] * superfly wonders if Kilos is thinking [17:05] lol [17:05] thinking how i used to setup hexchat ya [17:05] I never got a comment about my comment, so I was wondering if you were confused [17:06] having a system work for a year lets you forget what you used to do every now and again [17:06] lol [17:08] i have 14.04 unity flavour running on T410 alongside win 7 and 14.04 kde [17:09] nice and fast little lappy [17:09] better with usb mouse though [17:57] i need some advice please, they say skype to skype calls are free [17:57] what does it do to your 3g data bundle [17:58] and if it uses your data is that on incoming as well as outgoing calls [17:58] Yes [17:58] On both [17:58] Since they require data transfer [17:59] So anything that sends/receives packets costs money/data [17:59] so all these other things like viber and fring are the same [17:59] Yup [17:59] so where does the free bit come in [17:59] Nothing is "free". You may not pay for the service, but you still have to pay your ISP for their service [18:00] sjoe [18:00] but [18:00] next [18:00] It is like the mechanic doesn't charge you for fixing your car, but you still have to pay for the petrol to drive there [18:00] it will be cheaper than using airtime right [18:00] That I don't know. I think so [18:00] the voip thing [18:01] Kilos: I looked at it... Let me find the site [18:01] ty Squirm [18:01] Vodafone did try and make VoIP something like R15/MB, but I don't know whether they succeeded [18:01] sjoe [18:01] 40Mb-50Mb per hour [18:01] R15 a meg [18:01] oh thats not too bad [18:02] so * that by per Mb cost [18:02] oi [18:02] But if you have a good connection, Skype ups the quality [18:02] so it's an estimate [18:02] Kilos: How much do you pay for data? [18:02] R199 for 3g [18:03] R0.06 per Mb [18:03] i foned the other day and used R50 in less than an hour [18:03] Maaz: 0.06*60 [18:03] Squirm: 3.6 [18:03] No way [18:04] R3.6 per hour? LIES [18:04] i foned aus [18:04] My calcualtion must be off [18:04] oh you not talking to me [18:04] hehe [18:04] How much did the call cost? [18:05] R51 [18:05] i dont know where to see the time [18:05] Open Skype [18:06] is there a history tab? [18:06] I have a history tab on osx [18:06] nono i used fone [18:06] Or, open the chat window, sometimes it shows you in the chat [18:06] Oh [18:06] Which phone? [18:06] cell and airtime [18:06] old nokia [18:06] Hit the green call button once [18:07] Should bring up the call log? [18:07] no brought up a code from telegram [18:08] cloeared that then it said no calls when i hit green button again [18:08] says no numbers [18:08] ai! [18:09] this thing dont record any of that [18:09] must be turned off or something [18:10] last call [18:10] 28 mins 14 secs [18:11] 51/28 [18:11] ai! [18:11] Maaz 51/28 [18:11] Kilos: 1.82142857143 [18:12] Maaz 28/51 [18:12] Kilos: 0.549019607843 [18:12] ai! [18:25] Evening Everyone [18:28] Kilos: looks like Skype might be better [18:28] Skype to Skype though [18:28] Skype to landline will cost the same as a local landline call+data charge [18:29] R2pm though [18:30] anyone know the new telkom huawei routers? [18:31] Hey Cryterion [18:31] Hiya gremble [18:31] We had one. I don't know if it was a "new" one, but fairly nice none the less [18:31] Only issue I had was connecting to it with netctl. But I suspect that is because netctl is shitty [18:32] Prefer their old one, you have decent port forwarding options, on this new one you can only do it via NAT, which isn't working [18:33] ty Squirm [18:34] if I put my inet ip into address, I get the gateway login screen, not the forward to web server, grrrr [18:34] Hiya Squirm and Kilos [18:35] hi Cryterion [18:38] Hey Cryterion [18:38] I don't know you do I? [18:38] Well, do you recognise my nick? [18:39] Yes, you been here awhile, as I have, we probably haven't formally met yet [18:40] Hmmm.. No.. I knew that nick from another server a few years back [18:41] Few years could be many years for me, been along time since I've used irc everyday since the late 90's until a few months ago again [18:41] No... [18:41] But now I see your real name is different [18:41] Never mind [18:43] I knew a Cryterion fron Centurion is about 2007ish [18:44] Interested in where the nickname came from then? [18:44] hmmm, wasn't me then [18:45] Nope [18:46] I started using this nick about 25 years ago as a screen name, have since, and was prob mainly cause it was just different [18:47] used cryterion instead of criterion [19:03] good evening [19:04] emacs is amazing *-* [19:04] Hey inetpro [19:04] hi inetpro [19:04] vim ftw! [19:09] http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png [19:09] gremble: It's hard to learn :/ [19:10] As that link suggests, actually [19:11] Squirm: maybe a bit hard to begin with but very quick to learn [19:11] I've stuck with Atom for now [19:11] Editing bash, python and YAML files [19:12] so I should be ok [19:12] * inetpro tried emacs several times [19:13] A few of our devs use it [19:13] * Cryterion doesn't see nano in that graph :( [19:13] I just keep going back to vim/vi because it's the one thing you'll find on just about every *nix environment [19:14] nano! [19:16] MaNI: Nano and emacs have similar commands [19:16] Also, I am learning lisp as well. This makes emacs less terrible :P [19:16] inetpro: I use vim when I edit on a remote server. But we use ansible and config management, so it's often just wit my editor on my local machine [19:17] so between vim and atom, I do everything [19:17] I like vim a lot, but so far I am having more fun and being more productive in emacs. I just need to get the movement keys down. They're still weird. I am thinking about trying evil [19:17] * inetpro should learn to do ansible [19:17] Yeah [19:18] It's where the YAML comes in [19:20] yeah MaNI, I use nano for basics [19:21] I don't trust any program where ctrl+c doesn't exit [19:21] lol [19:21] or ctrl+x [19:21] :p [19:21] i like nano [19:22] all i can use [19:24] MaNI: uh, you also one of those who press the reset button to exit vim? [19:24] hehe [19:25] haha, nah I know how to use vim [19:25] I just find it annoying when people redefine such fundamental basic operating rules [19:25] certain things should be obeyed :p [19:27] * inetpro prefers to make double sure about changes in any file [19:28] too easy to make mistakes with a basic editor like nano without noticing it [19:30] If you want a random string you have a noob try and exit ed [19:30] config management is definitely the better way to do it [19:31] haha, I used to enjoy ed and ex at some point [19:35] Never heard of it [19:35] Kilos: it took a while. But vim is better than nano [19:35] for those that can learn it yeah [19:36] for the few things i need to chnge nano works great [19:36] Kilos: [19:36] http://hdwallpapers.cat/wallpaper/linux_cheat_sheet_wallpaper_nmap_vim_ssh_hd-wallpaper-619059.jpg [19:36] change [19:36] check the vim section [19:37] ctrl+x doesn't work on vim ctrl+\ does, but nano is easy [19:37] The only thing that it doesn't mention, is use esc to change modes [19:37] Kilos: Also, sometimes helps setting an image like that as your wallpaper :) [19:38] lol [19:38] Seriously [19:38] no man i dont need to learn more stuffs [19:38] yes it will help having it as a wall paper i agree [19:39] if i fiddled in files lots i would try it [19:39] def gonna put it up as well [19:39] sudo apt-get install vim-runtime && vimtutor [19:39] i only ever change 2 files [19:39] Kilos: vimtutor! [19:39] vimtutor is great! [19:39] and one for sound [19:39] Cryterion: when you're learning, it's fantastic [19:39] * Cryterion goes to look [19:39] nono i tried vim tutor [19:39] Even just to recall [19:40] Yeah, learnt today you can't rename files [19:40] tbh - I've never used it :D [19:40] but you move them to the new filename [19:40] Well. Used commands once or twice, but never set it as my bg [19:40] Cryterion: indeed [19:40] Sam thing [19:40] Technically that is what a move is on linux [19:41] You don't change the location of the file [19:41] yip, just the terminology is different [19:41] Just its name in the directory structure [19:41] Yep [19:41] Cryterion: then have a look at the difference between a symlink and a hardlink [19:42] Tea and toast with syrup. Now I am ready for the day [19:42] Nice [19:42] syruo is lekker [19:42] Wait... gremble... The day? [19:42] tate and lyles is the best [19:42] but expensive [19:42] I don't have to get up at 5 tomorrow. That means I still have a couple of hours of work that I get to do [19:44] Cryterion: I could probably list my few most used commands [19:44] Wel.. my favourite [19:44] ls [19:44] :P [19:44] less +F [19:44] ssh -L [19:44] dig [19:44] ps [19:44] killall [19:45] well, ps aux [19:45] and killall processID [19:45] no wait, killall processBIN [19:45] :P [19:45] and du -h and df -h [19:45] ps aux is like htop for masochistic people [19:45] gremble: I always use it with grep though [19:46] and I use htop and top to check the box [19:46] oh and tar zxf and tar zcf [19:46] One day I will learn grep xD [19:46] zxf to extract and zcf to create [19:47] gremble: the nice thing, is you can grep for words [19:47] Perhaps when we are doing Regular expressions in discrete structures [19:47] ps aux | grep apache [19:47] ps aux | grep nginx [19:47] ps aux | grep java [19:47] etc [19:47] Yup. Just tried that with emacs [19:49] With that cheat sheet I pasted. The only commands I don't use, are Netcat and Nmap(used some of Nmap) [19:49] Otherwise, I use the others almost weekly [19:50] night all sleep tight [19:50] good night oom Kilos [19:50] Squirm: when you're extracting with tar you don't need to specify the type. It will automatically detect from the file name [19:51] superfly: that's interesting [19:51] Thanks [19:51] * superfly is also old-school and still uses -xf [19:52] :P [19:52] I'd probably still carry on doing it [19:52] But it's good to know [19:52] every now and again I use gunzip [19:52] But it's not often [19:52] Squirm: with egrep you can grep for multiple patterns at once [19:52] eg: ps aux | egrep "apache|nginx|java" [19:53] And I recently started using vim properly. Use the right plugins and vim is AMAZING [19:53] superfly: vim has plugins? [19:53] I;ve never looked [19:53] I've* [19:53] Yebo [19:53] That is what is exciting about NeoVim [19:53] Better plugin system [19:53] Look up oh-my-vim [19:53] Even async [19:53] superfly: will do [19:53] And while you're at it, install zsh and oh-my-zsh [19:54] ^ [19:54] superfly: I have... [19:54] I second that :P [19:54] zsh something [19:54] And stop using bash [19:54] zprezto [19:54] Meant to be a little quicker [19:54] Squirm: not talking directly to you, more just to the channel on general [19:54] *im [19:54] :P [19:54] kk [19:54] *in [19:55] But yes, zsh is good [19:56] Not sure who uses a Mac here, but I've been using a iTerm for a while. But then I found TotalTerminal :D There is a linux version nuvolari recommended to me [19:56] The oh-my-vim install script doesn't work correctly at the moment, thanks to the version of virtualenv it downloads, but come ask me and I'll get you up and running [19:56] But alas, osx [19:57] Can't you get unix stuff running on osx through brew, or does it have to be prebuilt and specially packaged? [19:57] (I have no idea how those things work) [19:58] gremble: It depends. Not everything is on brew [19:58] Ah [19:58] gremble: there's homebrew and MacPorts because of that. [19:58] More of the common sourceforge packages are [19:58] Not everything though : [19:58] :/ [19:58] But it's pretty good [19:59] and as simple as apt-get [19:59] Ya [19:59] Or pacman -S [19:59] Haven't had to use MacPorts uet [19:59] :P [19:59] yet* [19:59] As simple as a linux package manager* [19:59] xD [19:59] I've used MacPorts, and it's slightly more like Portage [20:00] my experience [20:00] gremble: pick a linux application you'd like on brew?(not sure if you have a mac) [20:00] macports/brew etc. are okay but expect lots of things to not work or only half work [20:00] I don't have a mac [20:00] I have a really old compaq [20:00] :P [20:00] its not well maintained like portage or any other proper linux distro [20:00] gremble: then pick something? [20:00] For some of the stuff I needed to recompile it, so now everything I install using MacPorts is compiled [20:01] Uhm. urxvt-256color [20:01] rxvt* [20:01] lol [20:01] Well that's not there :D [20:01] That is a shame [20:02] That is one of the best terminal emulators [20:02] :P [20:02] gremble: Just found this: http://braumeister.org/ [20:03] But if it's there, it's easy to install [20:04] Well. I should have been in bed a while ago, but it's been interesting [20:04] Cheers all [20:04] * Squirm makes his hot water bottle [20:04] CT is still coldish :/ [20:05] Even after the sun today [20:05] It is freezing in PTA [20:05] Cheers Squirm [20:05] 9.8degC atm [20:06] takes more than 2 days of sun to get rid of the damp ground [20:06] hope these aren't the only 2 days of sun we have in the next few weeks, I may have missed my only chance to install my solar panels :/ [20:08] MaNi sunny next 3 days in dbn [20:09] mon/tue apparently still sunny here in CT [20:09] but we will see [20:10] Man up and do it in the rain [20:10] :P [20:10] don't know how long it will take the aluminium people to fix their mistake - they delived steel to me on friday instead of aluminium, dissapointing stuff :p [20:10] heh I'm not scared of rain, but I'm scared of my roof even when its sunny its quite slippery [20:11] You don't need your legs to use a computer, just make sure you land correctly [20:11] use rope, tie properly so you don't end up hanging yourself [20:11] hehe [20:11] "This safery harnass is tied securely to my neck and testicles. Now I will be to scared to fall." [20:11] knowing my luck I'll trip on the rope [20:12] Oh superfly, did you see the link that I posted for you? :P [20:12] still can't believe they delivered the wrong metal [20:13] send it back rusted :) [20:13] I keep trying to convince myself that I'm mistaken, and that aluminium which rusts red and attracts magnets does exist, but I just can't do it :p [20:15] I ordered MS once, then got told to collect it from a SS only supplier!, realised the f-up then and wouldn't collect [20:16] I guess I should have noticed when they were offloading, but it was raining hard and lots of other chaos was going on [20:17] Do they have to come pick it up again? [20:17] yeah [20:18] well they aren't open on weekends [20:18] so fighting that out is tomorrow mornings fun [20:19] Did the quote say Alu? [20:19] yes [20:19] Invoice? [20:20] also, I think the delivery boys just loaded the wrong thing, they are a steel place so they're probably not used to obscure orders [20:21] so shouldn't be hard to argue [20:21] you just presenting the f-up [20:21] yeah [20:21] I imagine it should be okay, though never know for sure, people can be weird [20:22] true [20:23] what steel co did you order from, I normally get alu through hulamin [20:23] crawford steel (aspect) [20:23] hmm, don't know them [20:24] couldn't find any helpful aluminium places in the area, I don't order metal often [20:24] gremble: I did, just haven't had the opportunity to download it [20:25] gremble: thanks [20:25] halumin, will remember for next time :p [20:25] *hulamin [20:26] ok, well hope all goes well tomorrow, try "kmg" next time, as they're the now the country wide Alu distributor [20:26] hulamin/stalcor are now kmg, kulungile metals group [20:28] MaNI: once it's all up and running, I might have to come and visit you. [20:29] hehe [20:30] I'll create a guide book or something [20:31] anyway, goodnight everyone [20:31] Cryterion, I don't suppose you've ever encountered something equivalent to http://www.we-llc.com/products/weeb-washer [20:31] oh you're off, nevermind then :p [20:33] best bet kmg, or get them laser-cut and bent [20:34] it's part of the alu products, so kmg would be best off shelf [20:35] hehe, okay thanks, goodnight ;)