[02:07] <tonyh> hello everyone
[02:09] <tonyh> Does anyone use cairo dock?
[02:18] <MichaelP> Why does chromium get along with free ati driver  but with fglrx kwin crash when useing chromium ?
[04:02] <alephZero> people!
[05:49] <Smilerut> is there any way to have a setup without a DE that still looks nice
[05:49] <Smilerut> every such setup that I've seen looks boring as sin
[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:56] <lordievader> Smilerut: Without a DE? That would be just making it hard for yourself.
[07:24] <aws7> The system is too heavy اه
[07:24] <aws7> hi
[07:25] <lordievader> aws7: What system?
[07:26] <aws7> Intel i3 device Ram 2 g specifications
[07:26] <aws7> kubntou
[07:26] <lordievader> Hmm, i3 is not very powerfull. Anyhow what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:27] <aws7> 15.4
[07:29] <aws7> kubntou 15.04
[07:29] <lordievader> aws7: This guide is for Plasma 4 (you are running Plasma 5), but I suppose many things carry over: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889034
[07:30] <aws7> Thank you
[07:55] <ChrisAdChoc> Hi
[07:55] <lordievader> o/
[07:56] <ChrisAdChoc> My monitor Dell U2713h enters power saving mode after Alt+Ctrl+F1...
[07:57] <ChrisAdChoc> monitor is connected via DP 1.8
[07:58] <ChrisAdChoc> I suspect that monitor via display port do not support console low resolution.
[08:00] <ChrisAdChoc> Do you have any experience connected with that?
[08:01] <lordievader> Not really, I am using the U2713hm and that works fine.
[08:01] <lordievader> Granted I am not using Kubuntu.
[08:09] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: Do you connect the display via DP?
[08:09] <lordievader> Yes.
[08:12] <akasic> heyo
[08:12] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: not kubuntu but maybe kde?
[08:13] <akasic> black screen?
[08:13] <ChrisAdChoc> nope but power saving mode
[08:13] <ChrisAdChoc> on alt+ctrl+f1...
[08:15] <akasic> what is the issue? maybe i can help (maybe)
[08:16] <lordievader> ChrisAdChoc: Yes, I am running kde.
[08:20] <lordievader> ChrisAdChoc: What graphics card and driver do you use?
[08:42] <ChrisAdChoc> lordievader: nvidia GTX760 and 352.21
[08:43] <ChrisAdChoc> but that problem do not exist on DVI-D interface
[08:43] <lordievader> Hmm, does the nVidia driver support modesetting nowadays? Else it could very well be that the resolution is too low.
[08:43] <ChrisAdChoc> I need to read about modesetting....
[08:44] <ChrisAdChoc> I need to go for couple of hours.
[08:44] <ChrisAdChoc> Thanks
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:19] <Ped7g> anyone on Plasma5.3.1 from backports PPA to check, if hers is crashing too upon RMB on appicon->Special Window Settings (and application as well) ... I get crash in kdeinit5 each time. Is it just my installation?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  no, plasma 5 is still under deveopment and it has to integrate with plsama 4 and some syncs aren't working too well, update and upgrade to get the newest upgrades to your packages
[11:29] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: right now it looks like I have up to date 5.3.1 from Kubuntu backports PPA ("0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.")
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  try a dist-upgrade
[11:31] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: a day ago the menu did work, can't really recall if I was still on Plasma5.1, but that would make sense. So I would appreciate somebody who has the 5.3.1 packages to see, if they get crash too (as it's two mouse clicks away only)
[11:32] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: I'm on Kubuntu 15.04, after dist-upgrade (so nothing more to upgrade)
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  i was on 15.04 , but now I'm testing 15.10, so i can't reproduce your crashes
[11:33] <BluesKaj> actually 15.10 seems quite stable atm , but it's not meant for a situation the requires a stable OS
[11:34] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: I see, thanks for your time anyway. :) I can't go to 15.10, need this desktop at least partially stable, it's my work PC.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know what you mean , if were up to me 15.04 with plsama 5/KF5 was released much too soon. The deveolpment work wasn't nearly ready for anj official release
[11:40] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: so far from my personal problems I think that's understatement. It's not only about Plasma5 being not ready for stable release, but from reading some blogs and bug responses the actual design vision is almost completely going away from my needs and usage patterns. Not sure what to do now, running KDE4 is probably not an (future proof) option. LXDE maybe?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  in my case i just got fed up with 15.04 and returned to debian jessie as my main OS with kde4 of course
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  but as you LXDE  may be a good alternative too
[11:42] <BluesKaj> say
[11:43] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: so you expect the 5 to get up to it over time? I had difficult time already with 4, but toward end I got somewhat used to it, missing only very few things from KDE3.5. So far I don't see the same thing with 5, looks like the basic idea behind the desktop is now diverding too much from my taste.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  agreed, I'm not sure what the timeline is with plasma 5 becoming fully integrated as a complete desktop
[11:49] <Ped7g> I see Plasma 5.3.2 should be out by now. Any idea, when it will hit Kubuntu backports PPA for vivid (15.04)?
[12:24] <mparillo> I know it is available in Wily (15.10).
[12:27] <BluesKaj> can't seem to find a source for Plasma 5.3.2, been searching for a while and kubuntu seems to be skirting the where is the source question
[12:28] <BluesKaj> for 15.04
[12:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Its in the KDE git.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  yes I saw that but there's no source deb that can be added
[12:36] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Download it from their git?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> it says here that plasma 5.3.2 is in the backports http://linuxpitstop.com/install-or-upgrade-kde-plasma-5-3-2-in-ubuntu/
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  checkout my post above, this site claims 5.3.2 is in the backports already
[12:40] <lordievader> Not sure where they get that from. Lauchpad says Plasma-desktop is still at 5.3.1 for Vivid.
[12:45] <BluesKaj>  a lot of users don't know what to do when they're directed to git sources ,and git makes the assumption that users know how to use git
[12:47] <Miar>  Hi I am unable to use the internet even though it detects the wired connection on ubuntu. Any help please?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, the git images i found are old, definitely not plasma 5.3.2
[12:51] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: the KInfoCenter is telling me 5.3.1... imho that blog is simply wrong.
[12:51] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Source of plasma-desktop v5.3.2: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/plasma-desktop/repository/show?rev=v5.3.2
[12:52] <lordievader> Ped7g: It is, 5.3.2 ain't in Launchpad.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Micki,  what does this out put?  ,  ip a | grep inet , pastebin the output please
[12:53] <lordievader> Ped7g: Part of 5.3.2 seems to be in the Staging ppa though.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> oh great , another user expecting instant gratification
[12:54] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yeah i figured that url was faking it, because nowhere else even mentions the obvious backports
[12:55] <lordievader> Theoretically it could be talking about Wily.
[12:55] <Ped7g> lordievader: I don't expect those things to update in minutes, I was just wondering if somebody has idea how long it may take. Anyway, it will very likely fix very little of my problems with Plasma5 (excet some crashes, I hope), so no sweat. :)
[12:55] <lordievader> Ped7g: It won't be this week, the Kubuntu team is at Akademy.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  sorry for getting your hopes up , I should have realized that url was BS
[12:59] <Ped7g> BluesKaj: np. I tried to google for a short while, to see if there's some Plasma5 roadmap, or some design/vision, and I didn't find anything reasonable. The project wiki is more empty, than informative. Where's the design work done, is there some summary web? I would like to verify some of my feelings with some facts. :/
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  as lordievader mentioned ,a lot of the ppl in the know are away in Spain at the Akademy conference
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Ped7g,  i guess it's just not ready enough for 15.04 yet
[13:05] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:12] <yossarianuk> http://linuxpitstop.com/install-or-upgrade-kde-plasma-5-3-2-in-ubuntu/  ->> is just plaijn wrong
[14:12] <yossarianuk> in vivid at least its 5.3.1 (and has been that for weeks)
[14:13] <soee> true
[14:23] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, yes we realized that shortly after it was posted , it's a fake
[16:16] <diego__> Hello, I'm looking for help on how to apply a bug solution to my system using GIT.
[16:16] <diego__> I have already found the bug but I don't have much experience with GIT, so I was wodering if someone can give me some guidance.
[16:54] <soee> diego__: what bug ?
[16:54] <diego__> soee: thank you. It
[16:54] <diego__> 's number is 347602
[16:55] <diego__> soee: It's about the update notification systray icon.
[16:55] <soee> diego__: ok but you have fix for it ?
[16:57] <diego__> soee: I saw some code that appears to be a fix in the website.
[16:57] <diego__> https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided&product=muon&component=updater&version=5.3.1
[16:58] <diego__> I'm not sure if I should apply it.
[16:58] <soee> diego__: i'm not sure, if there is no patch you would have to create one, if there is patch you probanly would have to apply it to sourcees and recompile package
[16:59] <diego__> soee: I think there's a patch.  Do you mind guiding to apply it to sources and recompile?
[17:00] <soee> diego__: sorry, i'm not familiar with this :/
[17:01] <diego__> soee: That's alright.  Thanks though.
[17:02] <soee> diego__: you can try asking on #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[17:02] <diego__> soee: Cool.  I'll try that.
[18:13] <ubernoob> hi! anyone know how to chance the application launcher icon? used to be right click but its no longer there..
[18:13] <ubernoob> also, curious as to which window manager is used in 15.04, so i can look for themes?
[18:14] <soee> whta if you right click and pick Application Menu Settings ?
[18:14] <ubernoob> soee: it gives me a window with a small list of appearance options but nothing to do with the icon
[18:15] <soee> hmm i'm using alternative
[18:15] <soee> Application Menu not Lanuncher
[18:15] <soee> and here is such option
[18:15] <ubernoob> oh!
[18:15] <ubernoob> thank you soee.. user error.. i was using launcher
[18:17] <ubernoob> yay now I have an oldschool amiga boing ball for a button
[18:18] <vbgunz> does anyone know why my Kubuntu 14.10 installation refuses to see my Windows 7 installation for a grub entry? I can see and use the Windows installation when I'm in Kubuntu but grub never finds it to add it as an entry to the menu. I have to use the uefi boot key to boot from that disk. How can I get grub to find Windows 7?
[18:19] <soee> oh i'm not familiar with uefi etc.
[18:19] <ubernoob> every time i have done that it has always recognized my other partition with windows
[18:20] <soee> vbgunz: maybe worth checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[18:20] <vbgunz> for me it's always recognized the other disk but that was with bios supported systems. This is my first time really using a uefi system and the first time I've come across this kind of problem
[18:21] <soee> i think in mye dell laptop uefi is disabled in bios
[18:24] <vbgunz> soee: hmm, this might be what I need, I feel like I'm onto something, I hope!
[18:24] <soee> :)
[18:27] <vbgunz> alright gotta reboot and double check these settings
[18:28] <soee> ok tel us how it went
[18:33] <ubernoob> i used to have a dektop in 14.04 that had a movable earth with constellations and zoom, wish i could remember where i got it or what animated wallpapers were called?
[18:35] <soee> wallpaper
[18:35] <soee> ?
[18:36] <ubernoob> yeah lol.. it was pretty cool.
[18:37] <ubernoob> i always set so many up that I end up forgetting how to make it look the same as before
[18:49] <regedit> hi
[18:50] <regedit> when things freeze up, what are the steps to try before losing the session with "systemctl restart sddm" or shutdown -r?
[18:50] <regedit> i tried ps -ef and top to try and kill some processes, desktop session was still all frozen
[18:51] <regedit> also tried killall plasmashell
[18:58] <nico_> Hi  all
[18:58] <BluesKaj> hey nico_
[18:59] <nico_> Can anyone recommend a graphics card that will work out of the box with KDE please ?
[19:01] <nico_> Hellooooooooooooooooooo anyone home?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> nico_, I've had good luck with nvidia
[19:01] <nico_> which one in particular?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> most of the ir gpus are fine, the ultra highend nvidia cards can be difficult to find open source drivers at times
[19:03] <BluesKaj> I use an entry level 8400GS, it's cheap and itworks fine , not for gamers tho, fine for HD movies etc
[19:04] <nico_> I am only looking for an inexpensive one,it is for an old puter that is OK but it will not boot into any KDE desktop,says GPU lockup,will boot into XFCE or Mate desktop OK
[19:05] <BluesKaj> nico_, on 15.04?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> and which gpu is it ?
[19:06] <nico_> yes,15.04 Xubuntu,15.04 Ubuntu-Mate,Linux Mint 17.1 and 17.2 with mate or xfce
[19:06] <nico_> but not KDE
[19:06] <nico_> just wont boot
[19:06] <alket> how to actiave Guest user in 15.04 ?
[19:07] <nico_> I am using an Nvidia GE Force G72  7300 SE / 7200 Gs
[19:09] <BluesKaj> nico_, that's odd, unless the devs have dropped writing drivers for the 7 series cards
[19:10] <nico_> I know it is an old card but I will buy another if I am certain it will work
[19:10] <BluesKaj> nico_, i saw a 8400GS for 30 bucks on amazon a few weeks ago
[19:10] <BluesKaj> new
[19:11] <nico_> The MOBO is ECS with 3 gig pentium 4 and 4 gig of ram and an SSD drive so it is not too slow
[19:12] <BluesKaj> nico_, new in the sense that it wasn't used, but probly been on the shelf for a few yrs
[19:14] <nico_> I do not mind used if OK just not worth spending a lot on this puter I have an Intel NUC which has HD 5000 and it will run anything
[19:14] <BluesKaj> make sure your mobo can handle PICe cards because that's what most of them are nowadays
[19:15] <nico_> yes it will,the MOBO is not that old,maybe 5 or 6 years old
[19:15] <BluesKaj> right, but a 30-40 buck nvidia card should work
[19:15] <nico_> thank you for your help
[19:16] <BluesKaj> no problem, nico_
[19:16] <nico_> bye
[19:16] <nico_> thanks again
[19:16] <BluesKaj> bye
[20:23] <ChrisAdHoc> Hi
[20:27] <ChrisAdHoc> who of us works with plasma5 and use colord-kde
[20:28] <ChrisAdHoc> I am asking because I can't get it to work.
[20:51] <yasiru> hi
[20:56] <vbgunz> soee: I managed to find and boot from Windows 7 through grub automatically. it looks like I was in legacy mode and that couldn't find Windows 7. Once I added efi support (long winded setup) I can choose bios or uefi and if I chose uefi grub-efi was able to find Windows 7 and make a menu entry for it
[20:56] <vbgunz> soee: thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[21:07] <Pi^2> Hi! I just upgraded to 15.04 and I'm having some problems with system tray icons....currently, the skype system tray icon works, but pidgin, thunderbird, xchat and others don't. They are all set to minimize to system tray when closing, when they just disappear when closing
[21:08] <Pi^2> Dropbox is another good example, it's running, but no system tray is visible
[21:13] <keithzg> Pi^2: Have you checked the tray's settings itself? They might be set to be hidden unless there's activity.
[21:14] <keithzg> (sorry I can't be specific with what the options are, at work right now and still running the last LTS here)
[21:15] <Pi^2> keithzg, They don't even show up in the system tray settings like Skype and Steam do...I just read a thread however saying that some system tray stuff was changed in this release so these packages need to update to get it working again...trying to find a workaround for now though
[21:17] <keithzg> Pi^2: Yeah, the underlying technology the tray is using did change. And I guess Pidgin, Thunderbird and XChat are all kindof slow on the development side these days.
[21:18] <Pi^2> I am finding that KDocker helps a bit, but I'll need to reprogram my brain to hit minimize instead of escape on those for that to work...and thunderbird seems to freeze the WM when i use kdocker with it
[21:18] <Pi^2> Gonna fiddle a bit more and see if I can get it working nicely
[21:21] <keithzg> Pi^2: Not to try and force you to change what you prefer, but is there any reason why you're using those instead of the KDE alternatives? (KDE Telepathy, KMail, Konversation or Quassel)
[21:22] <keithzg> Personally I've long preferred Konversation or Quassel to XChat, and I like KMail a lot more than Thunderbird---I rather wish it ran nicely on Windows since then I'd have an alternative for the Windows users at work.
[21:23] <Pi^2> keithzg, I don't have any good reasons for xchat, it's just what I always used and I would easily switch to an alternative...dropbox has no alternative, but as for pidgin, the reason I stick with it is because of the OTR (off the record) encryption plugin I use
[21:23] <Pi^2> and same goes for KMail/Thunderbird, I've just been using Thunderbird for so long, I will look into KMail and try to switch over
[21:25] <keithzg> Yeah, I don't guarantee you'll prefer them, but I definitely do personally. I think KDE Telepathy has OTR now too? Have never used it myself though so I don't know how intercompatible they are (I'd hope it's seamless and using the same code behind the scenes, but I really have no idea)
[21:26] <Pi^2> I'll definitely be looking at the alternatives the next few days, and that would probably fix these issues
[21:26] <Pi^2> I'm not super attached to any of these programs, just used to using them is all
[21:26] <keithzg> Fair enough
[21:27] <Pi^2> thankfully clementine system tray icon works as well :D
[21:27] <Tommaso> hi
[21:28] <Tommaso> i have a lenovo X1 Carbon bat the HIDPI is very slow
[21:28] <Tommaso> there someone that can help me out
[21:30]  * keithzg hasn't experienced problems with HiDPI speed on his Chromebook Pixel (other than in GRUB2), so slinks away
[21:32] <Tommaso> no
[21:35] <Pi^2> I'm liking the new UI in 15.04 though, btw
[21:35] <Pi^2> it does really make pidgin look more dated than it used to look
[21:55] <popcar> Hi
[21:56] <popcar> anyone here?
[21:56] <keithzg> popcar: Yes and no ;)
[21:57] <popcar> heh, well I got an issue with kubuntu 15.04
[21:57] <popcar> whenever I try to change a password on my account it says "internal program kdepasswd could not be found"
[21:57] <popcar> keithzg what do I do? any way to fix this?
[21:58] <keithzg> popcar: Well, first up the simple stuff, make sure that kdepasswd is indeed installed.
[21:58] <popcar> how?
[21:59] <keithzg> Easiest way in a terminal would be to run "apt-cache policy kdepasswd"
[21:59] <keithzg> Or you can just search for it in Muon.
[22:00] <popcar> unable to locate package kdepasswd
[22:00] <popcar> right, it's not here, how do I get it
[22:00] <keithzg> Either install it via muon, or run "sudo apt install kdepasswd" from the terminal.
[22:01] <popcar> sudo is unable to get anything by that name
[22:02] <keithzg> "sudo apt update" first, then.
[22:03] <popcar> downloading now, should take but a few more seconds
[22:03] <popcar> oooor maybe not, keeps grabbing more packages
[22:04] <popcar> it's done. says there are 111 packages that can be upgraded
[22:04] <popcar> lemme see if the password works now
[22:05] <popcar> tried to change password again, still can't find kdepasswd
[22:09] <popcar> keithzg I uninstalled the wallet program, maybe that might be why this happened?
[22:11] <keithzg> Uhh, not likely.
[22:11] <popcar> so... what now?
[22:11] <keithzg> Well, all you ran was "sudo apt update"?
[22:11] <popcar> pretty much, yeah
[22:12] <keithzg> I guess it could be because you uninstalled. But regardless you should run "sudo apt full-upgrade", and then "sudo apt install kdepasswd"
[22:14] <popcar> sudo apt install kdepasswd worked, thanks!
[22:14] <popcar> seems like my problem was a bit amatuerish, I just started linux 2 days ago
[22:15] <popcar> thanks keithzg.
[22:15] <keithzg> popcar: No worries!
[22:15] <keithzg> Glad to help :)
[22:15] <popcar> you guys are the best ^^
[22:15] <popcar> cya
[22:15] <keithzg> later
[23:07] <popcar> Hi
[23:09] <popcar> anyone ere?