[05:51] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:24] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:09] <bashrc> morning
[08:10] <davmor2> Morning head song list updated \o/
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning bashrc and davmor2
[08:14] <davmor2> brobostigon: Morning dude, how's life?
[08:14] <sebsebsebb> hi
[08:15] <davmor2> morning sebsebsebb
[08:15] <sebsebsebb> hi
[08:15] <sebsebsebb> davmor2: yeah morning
[08:15] <sebsebsebb> aww there's a mobile phone in a few bits in the  bin bag, not mine.  but I guess should maybe be taken out and recyled or something at least?
[08:18] <sebsebsebb> davmor2: maybe I should get him an Ubuntu Phone, or will he start whiing about that to if so, heh heh.  yeah I got a much younger little brother as well...
[08:18] <sebsebsebb> he wasn't happy with a cheap Android phone my Dad got him
[08:20] <brobostigon> davmor2: not bad really, going well i suppose.
[08:21] <sebsebsebb> morning brobostigon
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> get them a nokia feature phone, 1) cheap 2) near indestructible :-)
[08:24] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: do Nokia's still sell?
[08:24] <sebsebsebb> I thought it all went Microsoft really and Windows  as a result, and then Nokia apprnaty were going to sell there brand again
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> shops still have them, even new argos catalog has feature phones, i think there's a dumb nokia in there
[08:25] <zmoylan-pi> i see a lot of smart phone users carrying ancient nokia for voice calls
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> and battery life after smart phone dies
[08:26] <sebsebsebb> maybe should give him a budget ( my Mum will pay ),  and say he can spend  about that on a new phone, that he can pick himself,  a new Android phone or maybe Ubuntu even heh if he realy wanted to go that way, but I dobut that
[08:26] <sebsebsebb> and the one he picks may be cheaper or a bit more
[08:27] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: heh he was asking about what old phones may be lying around the house yesterday as a tempory
[08:27] <sebsebsebb> may be a old Nokia or two around some where
[08:27] <sebsebsebb> that can be used still
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> for €100 i got an asha 302.  a qwerty nokia with wifi feature phone, i use it for ereader, mp3s, radio, web, email, irc, ssh, rss, games and am starting to play with c64, zx, nintendo emulators
[08:28] <sebsebsebb> ,but probably not actsaully,  or not with a newer sim
[08:28] <sebsebsebb> yeah for about £100 should be able to get a reaonaslbe one really,  and for about £200 something a bit more rid range realy
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> the only program missing is a text editor
[08:29] <sebsebsebb> ,but he is old enough now to be able to pick his own phone really, or kind of
[08:29] <sebsebsebb> a little guidance maybe, but otherwise I think so
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> i helped my brother get his son an iphone a few years back.  he had his heart set on it no matter how much we advised against it.  he managed to flog it within 6 months for a high spec android... we were so proud :-)
[08:31] <sebsebsebb> yeah mine knows I woudn't want him to have an Iphone, so he knows his options are Android really
[08:31] <sebsebsebb> unless maybe he wanted to try soething differnet that lacks apps such as Ubuntu, but apparnatly apps aren't that important in his case actsaully
[08:31] <sebsebsebb> just that he can amke calls easy and do texts and that
[08:32]  * zmoylan-pi recommends a 2nd hand blackberry, they're tanks and have great keyboard even if not 'cool'
[08:32] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: he doesn't want to ask my Dad to buy him a new phone, since the last one was only about a year or so ago
[08:33] <sebsebsebb> plus I think he knows now that my Dad may get him some cheap unknown brand phone, like the last one
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> huwaei android phones offer very good spec for low price
[08:34] <sebsebsebb> yes Hawaei seems ok, my Mum's got one
[08:35] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: yeah it's some month thing, so woudn't be bought on a contract a new one
[08:36] <sebsebsebb> have you got a link for a good enough Huwaei one for example then?
[08:38] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: also what about that phone in the bin bag, is it really just going to land fill now?
[08:38] <sebsebsebb> it's in a few bits in there to
[08:39] <zmoylan-pi> every time i pass the hawaei's in tescos i pause... http://www.tescomobile.ie/phones/displayPhone.aspx?p=270
[08:39] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: yeah I know can buy phones from Tesco, but that puts on Tesco mobile I think?
[08:39] <sebsebsebb> he's got a sim that should work in any un locked phone
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> that's on tesco mobile, in ireland that's o2 who were just taken over by 3
[08:40] <sebsebsebb> oh your from Ireland
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> a tenner at local phone accessories hut will unlock most phones excluding sony
[08:42] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: so you think  Hauawaii is a good way to go?
[08:42] <sebsebsebb> I think probably really most Android phones should be good enough for him really
[08:43] <sebsebsebb> hence also why I wast hinking, maybe  he should look around himself etc
[08:43] <sebsebsebb> and try and pick something himself then
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> i've bought huwaei for 1-2 people and good spec, decent hardware.  feels like you're buying hardware instead of a brand.  with kids that can be an issue
[08:43] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: what that the hardware itself is good enough or?
[08:44] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: yes he was saying the hardware was having issues with that phone that yeah.  that the screen wasn't working right and such
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> that there is no advertising for huwaei so the hardware is the only advertising you get.  ie. good
[08:45] <sebsebsebb> what do you mean no advertising for Huwaei ?
[08:46] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: if he picks a phone himself, it will be more personal though I guess,  and that could be good
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> i've never seen an advert for huwaei while i often see ads for samsung, htc, apple
[08:46] <sebsebsebb> I saw the one in the bin bag, and it's like it's just some disposable consuemr device that gets old and bin it, like a old pair of trainers or something,  but a phone isn't really meant to be like that in my opinion
[08:47] <sebsebsebb> indeed that's a good point,  Hauwaii is around, but where's the adverts for it,  Hawaui is still known enough
[08:47] <popey> morning
[08:47] <sebsebsebb> popey: morning
[08:50] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: maybe he should just pick his own this time, well after guideing him in some sort of direction
[08:51] <sebsebsebb> may even learn a few things about phones if doing it that way to
[08:51] <sebsebsebb> which would be good
[08:53] <zmoylan-pi> i'd find out how the last one broke first of course
[09:04] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: oh I know how it broke..
[09:05] <sebsebsebb> zmoylan-pi: he whined about the screen etc for quite a while,  than the screen itself apparnatly broke,  but something was on it, never got to see properly,  and then he decided to actsaully take the phone aprt himself see what was inside etc
[09:05] <sebsebsebb> he might have thrown in a river a few weeks back actsaully, if the sim card wasn't so nicely locked away in it
[09:08] <bujji> hello
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Walk on Stilts Day! 😃
[09:08] <sebsebsebb> bujji: hi
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> tune in tomorrow for happy lying comfortable on a stretcher day :-p
[09:08] <bujji> hi o/ ))
[09:09] <bujji> sebsebsebb: how are you doing?
[09:10] <sebsebsebb> ok you
[09:10] <bujji> sebsebsebb: good
[09:11] <knightwise> Catching up on some paperwork for the company here
[09:11] <bujji> knightwise: o_O
[09:13] <knightwise> Has to be doen
[09:13] <knightwise> done
[09:13] <bujji> knightwise: what work?
[09:14] <knightwise> I"m a freelance IT consultant
[09:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: Are you mad or do you just live in a house with massive doors and really high ceilings? Also not a song about stilts but a group of stilts family https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuTVKO0RScI
[09:15] <davmor2> did you see what I did there ;)
[09:18] <JamesTait> davmor2, very good. ☺  I like the song as well.
[09:18] <JamesTait> davmor2, I think you already know the answer to your question. 😉
[09:20] <knightwise> if somebody just shot me a private message , my irssi just lost it .. :( so resend
[09:20] <bujji> davmor2: watch thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEg_YZQsTI
[09:20] <bujji> knightwise: sorry
[09:28] <bujji> davmor2: how is it? didn't see))
[09:29] <davmor2> in a meeting I'll look at it after
[10:52] <popey> hey, english speakers!
[10:52] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/205900728/screenshot20150501_233502290.png
[10:52] <popey> i want to change that text.. does this read better:-
[10:52] <popey> "This note has been modified in multiple places. Open each version to check content, then swipe to delete one of them."
[10:53] <nigelb> popey: "Please choose which one you want to keep"
[10:53] <nigelb> I think less text would help
[10:53] <nigelb> The more text, the less likely someone will read it fully.
[10:53] <nigelb> <-- not a native English speaker
[10:54] <MooDoo> "This note has been modified in multiple places, please swipe to delete the one no longer required" ?
[10:54] <popey> the problem is it's not obvious you need to swipe
[10:55] <popey> hence telling them that
[10:55] <popey> and its also not obvious that you can tap to open them to read them
[10:55] <popey> hence telling them that too 🙂
[10:55] <popey> because from the preview you may not be able to tell which should be the "winner"
[10:56] <nigelb> ahh.
[10:57] <knightwise> popey: enjoying house of cards ?
[10:57] <popey> yeah!
[10:57] <popey> didn't think wifey would like it
[10:57] <popey> she was hooked after the first episode
[10:58] <popey> nice to have something to watch together
[10:58] <knightwise> We are into those kinds of things here
[10:58] <popey> we burned through OITNB pretty quickly
[10:58] <knightwise> watched BORGEN together and BOSS, also a very good show
[10:58] <knightwise> the second season of OITNB was a little poor.
[10:58] <knightwise> We love shows that require us to FOCUS ,
[10:59] <knightwise> currently watching , House of Cards and Broadchurch
[10:59] <popey> yeah, we loved broadchurch, but missed the first season so only saw the second
[10:59] <knightwise> thats a bit hard to drop in halfway in the middle but still its a great show
[10:59] <popey> nah, the second season can be watched alone
[11:01] <knightwise> first season is good too
[11:01] <knightwise> I love the music from broadchurch
[11:01] <MooDoo> don't watch the american version with david tennant in it, he's got an american accesnt lol
[11:01] <popey> I really like Olivia Colman
[11:01] <popey> hah
[11:02] <knightwise> MooDoo: AURCH
[11:02] <knightwise> She is awesome indeed :)
[11:02] <MooDoo> popey: get in the queue she's mine
[11:02] <popey> hahah
[11:02] <popey> You can have her, my heart belongs to Alex Polizzi
[11:03] <knightwise> LOL
[11:03] <MooDoo> :)
[11:03] <popey> also Kirstie Allsopp
[11:04] <MooDoo> alex kingston for me  :D
[11:07] <knightwise> MooDoo: get in line for Alex Kingston (behind my wife)
[11:08] <knightwise> Sarah Alexander .!
[11:09] <MooDoo> knightwise: you want me to get behind your wi.....erm no!
[11:09]  * knightwise pulls MooDoo 's mind from the gutter
[11:10] <MooDoo> knightwise: apologies sir!
[11:12] <popey> oooh, Sarah Alexander, long time on my list, since the old Alexander Armstrong comedy things.
[11:12] <popey> also Michaela Strachan
[11:12] <knightwise> Glynis Barber
[11:12] <popey> every time she's on the telly, wifey goes "ooh look alan, your other wife"
[11:13] <popey> retro!
[11:13] <knightwise> in the dempsey and makepeace days
[11:13] <popey> yeah
[11:13] <popey> still looks fabulous now.
[11:13] <popey> used to love that programme
[11:13]  * knightwise doesnt have cable
[11:15] <knightwise> I miss the BBC a little
[11:15] <knightwise> we used to watch loads of stuff on there
[11:19] <MooDoo>   knightwise do you have any tv?
[11:19] <knightwise> MooDoo: we do . We have our chromecast and a pc hooked up to it .. thats it
[11:19] <MooDoo> do you still have to pay for a license for that?
[11:19] <knightwise> we watch some shows on netflix , stuff on youtube , sometimes a movie on popcorn time
[11:20] <knightwise> MooDoo: nope , no cable licence
[11:20] <knightwise> technically we just have a "screen"
[11:20]  * knightwise is belgian , remember 
[11:21] <MooDoo> knightwise: doh of course :D
[11:21] <knightwise> but we do have a licence you have to pay for TV over here
[11:22] <knightwise> I don't have to pay it because we don't have cable tv
[11:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: Morning dude :)
[12:11] <knightwise> Hmm . 100th edition of the FullCircleMagazine, .. i should write another article for them
[12:33] <Safiyyah> Hi all, I am currently running an installation of xubuntu. I get through the partitions and then when it's time to set the clock it displays an error message "input/output error during read on dev/sda
[12:33] <Safiyyah> i really hope my hard drive is okay :(
[12:34] <Safiyyah> ali1234,  directhex brobostigon
[12:42] <directhex> certainly sounds like a bad disk
[12:42] <directhex> maybe a bad sata cable, that can sometimes be the cause
[12:43] <Safiyyah> that was the cause last time as well
[12:44] <Safiyyah> had to buy a new SSD
[12:44] <Safiyyah> its new, only been about 10 months
[12:44] <Safiyyah> the system itself keeps crashing
[12:44] <directhex> hm
[12:44] <Safiyyah> that's why I was thinking I needed a fresh install
[12:45] <directhex> well, an IO error can come from anywhere in the chain - the disk, the cable, the motherboard
[12:45] <directhex> you ought to get a different error if it's corrupted data
[12:45] <Safiyyah> this is a recurring problem
[12:45] <Safiyyah> I think it's my fourth time
[12:46] <Safiyyah> is it likely to include the processor?
[12:47] <directhex> in my professional opinion? no
[12:47] <directhex> i would try the same disk, with a different cable, in a different sata port.
[12:47] <Safiyyah> before it happened btw,  the computer was sounding like a space ship about to take off
[12:47] <Safiyyah> no gentle humming
[12:48] <Safiyyah> and then it died
[12:48] <Safiyyah> okay well am happy to try a different sata port and cable
[12:48] <Safiyyah> and come back
[12:49] <Safiyyah> my little one is stuck in the shower trying, I need to sort her out first, so I will do that first, then get back onto this
[12:49] <Safiyyah> be back as soon as I can
[12:50] <Safiyyah> with the new sata cable and port
[14:04] <MooDoo>  ping JamesTait
[14:06] <JamesTait> pong MooDoo
[14:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: stop playing ping pong already ;)
[14:08] <JamesTait> Can't take him anywhere!
[14:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: You can you just can't go back not even to apologise ;)
[14:13] <MooDoo> JamesTait: nothing to do with birminham symphony hall are you?
[14:13] <JamesTait> MooDoo, not as far as I know!
[14:14] <MooDoo> JamesTait: lol sorry just on their website and one of the board members is a Mr James Tait :D  you're the only one i know :D
[14:15] <JamesTait> Nah, it's an imposter. 😉
[14:15] <MooDoo> lol
[14:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: someone has stolen your identity........that or you did........./me uses his hacking skills to find out their ages.....
[14:16] <JamesTait> MooDoo, it's probably davmor2 pretending to be me. 😉
[14:18] <Myrtti> school lunch flashbacks. Pearl barley pudding, strawberries, crisp bread, butter and smoked ham.
[14:18] <Myrtti> oh man.
[14:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: pay he no heed, JamesTait doesn't live far from the A38 and that heads straight into Birmingham and their ages are the same, and they have never been seen together in the same room he is batman^wspiderman^worchestra man
[14:19] <MooDoo> lol haa so JamesTait is actually Symphony man? lol
[14:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: you sure you didn't misread and he is actually the Cloakroom Attendant
[14:21] <MooDoo> http://www.thsh.co.uk/about/board-members/
[14:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's the fact he added the Mr like it is something special, don't tell that we are too it'll just make JamesTait cry ;)
[14:41] <safiyyah> directhex,  I sorted it, I put a new cable, bit of hovering and it took off.
[14:42] <safiyyah> I am just setting things up as I like now
[14:42] <safiyyah> thank you very much.
[14:42] <directhex> you should avoid hoovering, it generates static electricity
[14:42] <directhex> canned air is much safer, blow dust out
[14:42] <safiyyah> okay, will buy one next time
[14:42] <safiyyah> i mean I will buy one now for next time
[14:43] <safiyyah> thank you, I didn't know
[14:45] <popey> I found canned air cheap in Wilkinsons
[14:47] <arsenip> interesting fact: my parents live near Mr Wilkinson, and he once crashed his car into a ditch.
[14:47]  * arsenip dissapears in a cloud of smoke
[15:26] <daftykins> phew missed a PM from bujji ¬_¬
[15:28] <daftykins> never had any issues with vacuums ;)
[15:29]  * davmor2 throws daftykins into the vacuum of space see if he has an issue then ;)
[15:29] <daftykins> D:
[15:30] <daftykins> you've been talking to zmoylan-pi ;)
[15:37] <davmor2> daftykins: no idea what you mean, if at first it doesn't break use a bigger hammer, it's my motto, Space Vacuum is the bigger hammer ;)
[15:38] <daftykins> i see
[15:38]  * daftykins walks away slowly
[15:41] <davmor2> I kept catching this music in an advert on tv and radio and I knew I knew it but just couldn't think what it was hearing it like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYluMAO1b7Y  then it dawned on me why I knew the words it's cause Greese is the Word
[15:49]  * zmoylan-pi offers davmor2 my shiny fubar
[16:20] <diddledan> davmor2: that's certainly different to the original
[16:32] <davmor2> diddledan: just a smidgen, it's in the morning head songs play list now I couldn't get it out of my head sunday once I'd found it on youtube :)
[16:32] <diddledan> lol
[16:56] <davmor2> diddledan: friend just pointed me at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3E2HeAfcdM
[18:22] <czajkowski> http://mhall119.com/2015/07/ubuntu-global-jam-packs-are-back/  would be good to take part if anyone is up for it
[19:13] <diddledan> I could be chilly - it's supposed to be summer!
[19:15] <diddledan> think I might have to either shut the windows or put on a wooly
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> or compile gentoo and use warm cpu for heat...
[19:33] <diddledan> lol
[20:05] <foobarry> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/researchers-hack-air-gapped-computer-simple-cell-phone/?mbid=social_gplus
[21:47] <KrimZon> "The attack requires both the targeted computer and the mobile phone to have malware installed on them, but once this is done"
[21:48] <daftykins> nothing ridiculous about that.
[21:51] <daftykins> "Windows, Linux and Ubuntu configurations" ah Ubuntu is no longer Linux apparently
[22:04] <diddledan> and this is an example of why "but it's not connected to the internet" is no reason to stay on windows 2000 (nod of head to whoever I was talking to yesterday who suggested that someone they know is doing just that)
[22:06] <daftykins> they're using win2k and staying offline 'cause they think it makes them safe?
[22:07] <diddledan> they're using win2000 because they don't see a need to upgrade because they're not connected to the net
[22:07] <diddledan> this proves that you still need to be up-to-date even if you're airgapped
[22:08] <diddledan> it's crazy that government mandates that things not be updated because it requires bridging the gap for the updates to happen
[22:08] <daftykins> heh
[22:08] <daftykins> OSs shouldn't require it
[22:09] <diddledan> we're doing an installation in secured (formally IL3) datacentres where we have to jump across several nested remote-desktop environments and we're not allowed to update anything "for security" because it will break security
[22:10] <diddledan> so the drupal we have running there is now known-vulnerable
[22:10] <daftykins> :|
[22:10] <daftykins> gubmint
[22:12] <Nokaji> govt/military used to have a policy of checking any and all equipment for security purposes before allowing it into their operation - not sure they could ever achieve that with the revolution in software though and closed source
[22:15] <Nokaji> anyway, early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise
[22:15] <Nokaji> night...
[22:15] <daftykins> must be where i'm going wrong