[04:45] <superfly> inetpro: you're awake far too early 
[05:20] <nlsthzn> sup all? :)
[05:21] <nlsthzn> tad early I take it :p
[06:01] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:26] <Kilos> morning superfly nlsthzn pieter2627 inetpro MaNI and others
[06:37] <MaNI> hi
[06:42] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ? All well?
[06:42] <Kilos> with me ty yes nlsthzn just watching the news is depressing
[06:43] <Kilos> how you guys
[06:44] <Kilos> meeting here tomorrow night
[06:44] <Kilos> and in africa the next night
[06:44] <Kilos> aw superfly why we so serious
[06:45] <nlsthzn> ah ok... I try not to watch the news...
[06:46] <nlsthzn> I am working day after tomorrow so it will be to late for me
[06:46] <Kilos> np lad i understand
[06:50] <Kilos> our fly is becoming quite a baker
[06:50] <superfly> meh
[06:50] <superfly> when it actually works
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <Kilos> somewhere i have a relatively easy bread recipe, i will send it when i come across it
[06:52] <Kilos> i prefer making puffs
[06:52] <superfly> the difficult part is the kneading
[06:52] <Kilos> yeah
[06:52] <superfly> but we have a bread machine, so it does that for us ;-)
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:52] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:55] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:04] <Squirm> Morning
[07:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:31] <Kilos> superfly  http://bin.snyman.info/b3453
[07:31] <Kilos> thats for rolls
[07:32] <Kilos> but works for bread too
[07:33] <Kilos> when making the rolls you can put strips of salami in the centre or cheese for flavoured rolls
[07:35] <Kilos> the measurements for 1 bread are those in the brackets
[07:37] <Kilos> if you dont like crispy crusts then when you remove from over you cover with a toweling dish cloth
[07:38] <Kilos> s/over/oven
[07:47] <nlsthzn> SA virus hit, power outage 
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:06] <barrydk> More almal
[09:13] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[09:43] <Kilos> hi pietie
[09:49] <barrydk> Hoe gaan dit Kilos
[09:49] <Kilos> goed dankie en self barrydk 
[09:50] <barrydk> Stil en lus, maar nie lus om hier te wees nie, verlof was te lekker
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:52] <barrydk> nie eers tyd gehad om bietjie hier te spy of te minetest nie
[09:54] <Kilos> haha
[09:58] <barrydk> Daars darem baie te doen en te sien op die tuinroete
[09:59] <Kilos> ya goeie pad om te ry as jy nie haastig is nie
[10:00] <barrydk> Net so eentonig al om die huis
[10:06] <pieter2627> Hi oom Kilos
[10:07] <mazal> Hi everyone
[10:07] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[10:07] <pieter2627> hey mazal 
[10:08] <pieter2627> i see we have a few bakers
[10:08] <mazal> bakers ?
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <pieter2627> was the subject earlier
[10:08] <Kilos> i need to make puffs again with chili in
[10:09] <Kilos> chili bytes are good for cold weather
[10:09] <mazal> ag nee , here we go with the chili again :(
[10:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:09] <Kilos> hulle lekker met ui in ook
[10:09] <Kilos> of kaas og knoffel blare
[10:10] <mazal> no comment
[10:10] <pieter2627> yea i can now also set my away status as 'Baking whatever' without too much shame :P
[10:10] <Kilos> do you bake pieter2627 
[10:10] <Kilos> i dont bake much
[10:10] <pieter2627> bread a few times a week to have something for lunch
[10:11] <Kilos> wow
[10:11] <Kilos> tough in africa hey
[10:11] <pieter2627> no, the rest of the household members are just too lazy to remember the recipes
[10:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:12] <mazal> I can only bake mielie bread
[10:12] <pieter2627> sounds sweetish
[10:12] <Kilos> that be lekker bread
[10:12] <mazal> I used to do it regularly , but not anymore
[10:13] <Kilos> and banana bread
[10:15] <pieter2627> hmmm yum yum
[10:31] <nlsthzn> wife has banana bread in oven
[10:34] <pieter2627> Kilos: maybe we also need that list for the za peeps so that one knows where to go to get a fresh baked banana bread for lunch :P
[10:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:47] <mazal> I'm always looking for good food sources :P
[10:55] <Symmetria> nlsthzn your wife has a bun in the oven? ;p
[10:55] <Symmetria> congrats ;p
[11:04] <Kilos> hi GnikLlort 
[11:04] <GnikLlort> sup Kilos 
[11:04] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:05] <GnikLlort> ty
[11:07] <Kilos> GnikLlort  tell us about yourself. like what you do and what system you use etc
[11:08] <GnikLlort> Im GnikLlort aka Chris, i do Security irl 
[11:08] <GnikLlort>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-44-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "trusty" 14.04 ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8700  @ 2.53GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,8GiB, 72,1% free ** Disk: Total: 454,5GiB, 80,2% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: 645 NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe ** 
[11:08] <GnikLlort> Uptime: 6h 43m 35s **
[11:08] <Kilos> and if you need any help just state what the prob is
[11:08] <GnikLlort> im just chilling atm
[11:08] <Kilos> oh you an old hand
[11:08] <Kilos> unity user
[11:10] <Kilos> nice to have you here
[11:11] <Kilos> oh and we are having our monthly meeting tomorrow night at 8.30pm here
[11:11] <mazal> Hi GnikLlort
[11:11] <Kilos> you are welcome to join in
[11:14] <GnikLlort> hi mazal
[11:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:14] <GnikLlort> dont think imma make the meeting tho
[11:15] <GnikLlort> I get home @ 6pm then at 8 im in bed
[11:15] <Kilos> aw
[11:15] <Kilos> too cold to stay up anyway
[11:15] <Kilos> i have no choice , im the greeting bot here
[11:19] <GnikLlort> lmao
[11:41] <Squirm> lol Kilos
[11:42] <Squirm> You do well as the greeting bot :D
[11:42] <Kilos> hehe
[11:42] <Kilos> thats all im good at
[11:42] <Squirm> https://pitstop.manageengine.com/sysadminday/myths-vs-facts.html?SysCamp
[11:50] <nlsthzn> bun in wife been out for five months now :p
[12:02] <pieter2627> hi and welcome GnikLlort 
[12:05] <Kilos> pieter2627  how did he get that pc infor all in one place like that?
[12:05] <pieter2627> hexchat > View > send system info... i think
[12:05] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:05] <pieter2627> s/view/window/
[12:06] <pieter2627>  HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.19.0-16-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "vivid" 15.04 ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1000M @ 1.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.80GHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.7GiB, 68.4% free ** Disk: Total: 175.0GiB, 13.1% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** 
[12:06] <pieter2627> Uptime: 6h 7m 19s **
[12:06] <Kilos> i forgot that part
[12:06] <pieter2627> jip that it
[12:06] <GnikLlort> hi pieter2627 sorry for the long reply
[12:07] <Kilos> i wonder how one would get that info in konversation
[12:07] <Kilos> not serious
[12:08] <pieter2627> np, i took 2 or 3 hours to revive this mornings topic
[12:08] <GnikLlort> fastest way to get an unaffiliated host mask?
[12:08] <Kilos> lol
[12:08] <Kilos> go to #freenode and ask staff GnikLlort 
[12:08] <GnikLlort> kk
[12:15] <Kilos> sometimes you have to be patient
[12:16] <GnikLlort> I have a-lot of time :)
[12:16] <Kilos> and you nick must be registered
[12:16] <Kilos> your
[12:16] <GnikLlort> -NickServ- Information on GnikLlort (account GnikLlort):
[12:16] <GnikLlort> -NickServ- Registered : Jan 11 07:53:01 2014 (1y 28w 1d ago)
[12:17] <Kilos> wow why you took so long to find us?
[12:17] <GnikLlort> I was on efnet
[12:17] <Kilos> are there buntu peeps there as well?
[12:18] <GnikLlort> yea, and some other that forced me to leave
[12:18] <Kilos> oh my
[12:18] <Kilos> oh well their loss is our gain
[12:18] <GnikLlort> true lol
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <Kilos> just make sure to add us to your favourites
[12:20] <Kilos> i like it when clever peeps join us, more place for me to get help
[12:20] <GnikLlort> added to autojoin
[12:20] <Kilos> cool
[12:20] <GnikLlort> hm, wonder if I should add a bnc here
[12:21] <Kilos> you will see we arent tied to the topic most of the time, this is like a family channel
[12:21] <GnikLlort> nice
[12:22] <Kilos> there is a song about us i think
[12:22] <Kilos> were simply the best
[12:23] <GnikLlort> ^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:23] <Kilos> we have python experts, a bucket full of sysadmins
[12:23] <Kilos> some raw linux guys
[12:23] <GnikLlort> I know a little about python :x
[12:24] <Kilos> haha that reminds me
[12:24] <GnikLlort> Have been using Ubuntu for a few years tho
[12:24] <Kilos> we had a guy join here that said he loves doing python stuff
[12:25] <Kilos> i gave him a greeter bot script that needs some work
[12:25] <Kilos> and he never came back
[12:25] <GnikLlort> lold
[12:25] <Kilos> we have a really potent fly here that is a python master
[12:26] <GnikLlort> i like node.js irc bots
[12:26] <Kilos> we got python bot written by our guys
[12:26] <GnikLlort> nice
[12:26] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[12:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:26] <GnikLlort> lol
[12:26] <Kilos> Maaz  rusks please
[12:26] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[12:27] <GnikLlort> lol nice
[12:27] <Kilos> he can do lotsa things
[12:27] <Kilos> coffee is my favourite
[12:28] <Kilos> Maaz  help
[12:28] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[12:28] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[12:28] <GnikLlort> thats cool :)
[12:28] <GnikLlort> I never made an irc bot from scratch to
[12:28] <GnikLlort> tho*
[12:29] <Kilos> i think this one was written to fit in with our way of doing things
[12:29] <Kilos> does meeting minutes and everything
[12:30] <GnikLlort> ah nice
[12:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[12:30] <Kilos> oh and weather forecasts
[12:30] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[12:30] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:31] <GnikLlort> cool
[12:47] <barrydk> Lekker aand vir almal
[13:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:33] <GnikLlort> :)
[13:33] <Kilos> hehe
[13:48] <superfly> Kilos: , inetpro: I currently don't have an Internet connection at home (some issue between my router and ADSL), so I don't know if I'll even be at the meeting tomorrow night, nevermind being able to chair it.
[13:48] <Kilos> superfly  i think pro is chairing, but ty for the feetback
[13:56] <superfly> yeah, just letting you know
[13:56] <Kilos> ty sir
[14:29] <inetpro> uh, good afternoon
[14:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[14:30] <Kilos> you ready to drive the chair
[14:30] <inetpro> Kilos: all indications are that I will have trouble with loadshedding again
[14:30] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[14:30] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:30] <Kilos> lol
[14:30] <Kilos> you the master fixer
[14:31] <Kilos> just make sure lappy battery is charged
[14:31] <Kilos> and whatever else you did last time
[14:33] <GnikLlort> load-shedding is a pain in the neck
[14:33] <Kilos> yeah
[14:37] <GnikLlort> Power went off @ 6pm and back on @ 8pm yesterday :(
[14:40] <Kilos> they missed me for some reason but at 8pm but i had already shutdown here and gone to bed
[14:53] <Kilos> oh GnikLlort do you want to join us
[14:54] <Kilos> ubuntu-za that is
[14:54] <Kilos> you got a launchpad id havent you
[14:54] <GnikLlort> yea i would
[14:55] <GnikLlort> i dont know what a launchpad id is tbh'\
[14:55] <Kilos> i think on this link https://ubuntu-za.org
[14:55] <Kilos> ok lemme think
[14:57] <GnikLlort> found it
[15:06] <GnikLlort> "You have successfully joined South African Ubuntu team."
[15:06] <Kilos> cool
[15:06] <Kilos> there is some wiki work too
[15:08] <Kilos> i think it is also on the site
[15:08] <Kilos> where members show
[15:30] <GnikLlort> gtg bbl
[17:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:27] <Kilos> so inetpro where is that wiki page hiding where we put our active members please?
[17:27] <Kilos> im freezing here
[17:27] <GnikLlort> its cold af
[17:27] <Kilos> yeah
[17:28] <Kilos> inetpro  the new wiki page where it says you are mr fixit
[17:29] <Kilos> Squirm  do you know the link
[17:34] <Kilos> sorry GnikLlort i cant find the right link, one of the clever guys will help out
[17:35] <GnikLlort> oh
[17:35] <Kilos> we made a new wiki page for active peeps 
[17:35] <Kilos> but who knows where
[17:36] <Kilos> mazal  waar is dit man
[17:36] <Kilos> GnikLlort  where are you? im in ptown
[17:37] <Kilos> pta
[17:37] <GnikLlort> George
[17:37] <Kilos> ah we dont have many guys down there
[17:37] <Kilos> they all in capeetown
[17:38] <Kilos> capetown
[17:38] <GnikLlort> My mother is there now :(
[17:38] <Kilos> us few tvl peeps are really cold this winter
[17:39] <Kilos> ha i think i found it
[17:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:39] <Kilos> yay
[17:40] <Kilos> can you add yourself there please
[17:40] <GnikLlort> yea sure
[17:43] <Kilos> oh and welcome to the za team
[17:44] <Kilos> hi Langjan jan__ 
[17:44] <Kilos> got you both
[17:45] <jan__> Hi Kilos  dint know why the damn thing keeps on with jan, double identity crisis?
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar
[17:46] <Kilos> ek vrek van die koue
[17:53] <Kilos> oom Langjan 
[17:54] <Kilos> jy ok xchat of hexchat ne
[17:54] <Kilos> op
[17:54] <Langjan> Sorry, ek was op die foon, hoe gaan dit Kilos 
[17:54] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[17:55] <Langjan> Goed dankie
[17:55] <Kilos> soek server-list
[17:55] <Langjan> Net moerloos met my Thunderbird
[17:55] <Kilos> dan edit by freenode
[17:55] <Kilos> iewers het jy jan en langjan ingesit
[17:56] <Langjan> Ja ek weet maar hoe om dit reg te maak
[17:56] <Kilos> miskien twee keer die server goed ingevil
[17:56] <Langjan> Waar is server-list?
[17:56] <Kilos> sjoe wag ek boot gou in unity in
[17:57] <Langjan> Thks
[17:59] <Kilos> you got hexchat or xchat?
[17:59] <Langjan> xchat
[18:00] <GnikLlort> hexchat is bae
[18:00] <Kilos-> lemme install that quick
[18:01] <Kilos> i wish you toppies would learn to use kde
[18:02] <Kilos> whats bae?
[18:03] <GnikLlort> hexchat is 10/10
[18:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> he peoples
[18:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> *hey
[18:03] <Kilos> tick at the top
[18:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> any CT-side adsl people alive?
[18:04] <Kilos> xchat - network list
[18:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:04] <GnikLlort> gtg, have to wake up at 4am
[18:04] <Langjan> OK
[18:04] <Kilos> ok GnikLlort 
[18:04] <Kilos> sleep warm
[18:04] <GnikLlort> ty
[18:05] <Kilos-> then freenode should be lit up
[18:05] <Kilos-> tick edit
[18:06] <Langjan> ok
[18:06] <Kilos-> what you see at the top
[18:06] <Kilos-> should be one entry
[18:06] <Langjan> irc.freenode.net/8001
[18:07] <Kilos-> is that all?
[18:07] <Langjan> yes
[18:07] <Kilos-> oh my
[18:07] <Kilos-> i was hoping you had 2 open
[18:07] <Langjan> I closed the one
[18:08] <Kilos> i wonder if it isnt just hidden
[18:08] <Kilos> because its still active
[18:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:10] <Kilos> it must be remembering it somewhere
[18:11] <Kilos> did you tick on the remove button to close it
[18:11] <Langjan> Yes I think I did
[18:11] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:11] <Langjan> Was messing around a bit to get rid of it
[18:12] <Kilos> you didnt perhaps just delete it
[18:12] <Langjan> Dunno, lets forget about it for now, its not a trainsmash
[18:12] <Kilos> the remove should have removed it completely
[18:13] <Kilos> ok lets go tb
[18:13] <Langjan> Yip, thbd is driving me nuts
[18:13] <Kilos> whats the prob
[18:13] <Langjan> Have been googling around the Mozilla forums
[18:14] <Langjan> It keeps on labelling mails as junk
[18:14] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 
[18:14] <kulelu88> ola 
[18:14] <Kilos> are you using pop?
[18:14] <Langjan> its set to not do it if they are in my address book, still does it 
[18:14] <Kilos> ai!
[18:15] <Langjan> then real spam is not labelled, its just crazy
[18:15] <Langjan> yes pop
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <Kilos> and from where do your mails come
[18:15] <Langjan> all over
[18:15] <Kilos> not gmail?
[18:15] <Langjan> mostly peeps on my address list
[18:15] <Kilos> any specific ones that are junked
[18:15] <Langjan> some are gmail also
[18:16] <Kilos> what i mean is have you got a gmail account
[18:16] <kulelu88> im mirin tonight brah. no throttle on P2P
[18:17] <Kilos> i had to go there a few times to tell gmail certain messages arent junk
[18:17] <Langjan> almost everything, I set junk status of an adress to not junk in filters, next time same againl
[18:17] <kulelu88> you need a catchall filter Langjan 
[18:17] <Kilos> oi oom Langjan wat en hoop inetpro maak dit hier vanaand
[18:17] <Langjan> Well I keep telling it and it keeps on ignoring it
[18:18] <Kilos> oh kulelu88 will try advise
[18:18] <Langjan> catchall filter?
[18:20] <Kilos> https://www.siteground.com/tutorials/email/catch_all_email.htm
[18:20] <Kilos> ek dink dis daar in
[18:21] <Kilos> ek hoop so
[18:21] <Kilos> haha hy terug
[18:22] <jan__> Now it has disconnected me and reconnected via jan
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> look in there where we were and see what you have as second choice for your nick
[18:23] <jan__> I know, it's jan__ 
[18:23] <kulelu88> gmail is a bit tricky because of what google does on its own. they're big on AI 
[18:23] <Kilos> change that to langjan_
[18:23] <Kilos> or 0
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <Kilos> -
[18:24] <Kilos> hi MaNI 
[18:25] <Kilos> inetpro  where you hiding?
[18:26] <MaNI> hi
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm... langjan having xchat probs too now
[18:42] <Kilos> shame
[18:45] <Kilos> wb Langjan 
[18:45] <Kilos> wat breek jy als man
[18:45] <kulelu88> could be the server. Langjan try another freenode server
[18:46] <Langjan> I got lost, then deleted my xchat directory file and started afresh
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <Kilos> xchat isnt supported anymore
[18:46] <Kilos> so most are going to hexchat
[18:47] <Langjan> klink te veel na heksery
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Langjan> so must I go there?
[18:47] <kulelu88> hexchat is hard to setup on regular ubuntu
[18:47] <Kilos> no if its still working keep it
[18:47] <Kilos> but jan is gone now
[18:48] <Kilos> so something worked
[18:48] <kulelu88> xchat is not unsupported Kilos . it comes as a standard ubuntu package, so it must be supported or at least moonlighted
[18:48] <Langjan> yes, god riddance
[18:48] <Langjan> good
[18:48] <Kilos> it was broadcast its not supported anymore
[18:48] <kulelu88> whoa. just like thunderbird :)
[18:49] <kulelu88> *:(
[18:49] <Kilos> ok kulelu88 please help the oom fix TB
[18:49] <Langjan> Hi kulelu88 
[18:49] <kulelu88> Hello oupa Langjan . 
[18:50] <Langjan> lmga
[18:50] <Langjan> hi seuntjie
[18:50] <kulelu88> ek het een oom op hier en en oupa
[18:50] <kulelu88> *een oupa
[18:50] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <Langjan> Ja, amper oupagrootjie
[18:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:51] <kulelu88> die oom speel pragtig maar. Het een twee meisies 
[18:51] <Kilos> my kinders weet nie van kinders maak nie
[18:51] <kulelu88> of moet ek vir hulle se "tante" ? :D
[18:52] <mazal> Thunderbird is not supported anymore ?
[18:52] <Langjan> Kilos,  hoekom leer jy nie jou kinders nie?
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> nee man een pas haar ma op en die ander het te veel girlfriends
[18:53] <kulelu88> mazal: it went into some weird "we don't support it anymore" mode by Mozilla and it was a clusterfuck basically. but the community is supporting it now (afaik)
[18:53] <mazal> If that goes down , then what to use. No real other options
[18:53] <kulelu88> there is a nice 1 coming along. it is node-webkit based
[18:54] <kulelu88> comes with built-in encryption
[18:55] <mazal> Proper email clients is something that is really lacking
[18:55] <kulelu88> mazal: it's hard work though.
[18:55] <kulelu88> you gotta use a low-level language and UI can be shit 
[18:56] <Kilos> help the oom fix his TB now guys
[18:56] <kulelu88> is the problem that gmail is not sending emails in the spambox ?
[18:59] <Kilos> would the client then still fetch them and mark as junk?
[19:00] <Langjan> No kulelu88  the problem is that TB is labelling just about everything as junk except real junk
[19:01] <Langjan> It is supposed to be set to not label addresses in my address book as spam but they are all marked as spam no matter how many times I set the filters to not junk
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <mazal> Maybe reset "training data" might help ?
[19:02] <Langjan> dis nie snaaks nie seuntjie
[19:02] <Kilos> youve got it installed upside down man
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Langjan> Hey that makes sense Kilos 
[19:03] <Kilos> something is corrupt there
[19:03] <mazal> Langjan, did you try that yet ?
[19:03] <Kilos> but what
[19:04] <kulelu88> remove your filters and start over. make screenshots if necessary
[19:04] <Langjan> Try to reset "td" mazal ? No, how do I do that? 
[19:05] <mazal> tools - options - security - junk
[19:05] <mazal> Under that is a "reset training data" options
[19:05] <mazal> That is suppose to wipe it's database of what was marked as spam and start a new one
[19:05] <Langjan> Kilos,  the mail you just sent me was labelled junk
[19:05] <Kilos> oh my
[19:06] <Kilos> break something
[19:06] <Kilos> none of my mails are junk
[19:06] <Langjan> mazal,  there is no options under tools
[19:07] <mazal> Ag nee , probably cos I am on the Win version here
[19:07] <mazal> The options menu should be somewhere there , just in different place
[19:07] <Squirm> anyone here proficient in ansible?
[19:07] <Squirm> and good eve
[19:07] <mazal> Not on my linux version now so can't check :(
[19:08] <Langjan> OK I have rteset training data, is that right?
[19:09] <mazal> Yep , maybe that will help
[19:09] <Langjan> Its under edit, preferences
[19:09] <mazal> It is suppose to not have memory of previous spam now
[19:10] <mazal> "suppose to" being the key words
[19:10] <Langjan> OK so what do I do about the junk filter settings? 
[19:10] <mazal> There just make sure all adress books are selected to not be filtered
[19:11] <mazal> Mine have 3 " collected , collected adresses and personal "
[19:11] <mazal> All are selected not to be filtered
[19:12] <mazal> Or not to be marked as spam I should say
[19:13] <mazal> oom Kilos , the mail you sent to Jan , was it from your private account ? ( gmail )
[19:13] <Kilos> ya mu ubuntu.com
[19:13] <Kilos> my
[19:13] <mazal> to the list ?
[19:14] <mazal> Or direct to LangJan ?
[19:14] <Kilos> direct
[19:14] <Kilos> but that was before you did this now
[19:14] <Kilos> was while he was away
[19:15] <mazal> Langjan, after you did that restart your TB and see if the training data wipe helped
[19:15] <Langjan> Kilos,  please send another mail
[19:16] <Kilos> ok
[19:16] <Kilos> sent
[19:17] <Langjan> Thks, marked as junk again
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:17] <mazal> Ag nee
[19:17] <mazal> That was the only ideas I had sorry :(
[19:17] <Langjan> thks for trying mazal 
[19:17] <mazal> Kilos, stop sending junk man !!
[19:18] <Langjan> ja sê hom
[19:18] <Kilos> sorry
[19:18] <Kilos> let me try as n gewone mens
[19:19] <mazal> Ek gaan duik , vries hierso
[19:19] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well , God bless
[19:20] <Kilos> sent
[19:22] <Kilos> also junk Langjan ?
[19:22] <Langjan> Also junk, drives me crazy
[19:23] <Kilos> next one on its way
[19:23] <Kilos> trying different mail peeps
[19:25] <Kilos> ok last one sent
[19:25] <Langjan> OK I think we are making progress, that one was fine, I set filters to mark your mail as not junk Kilos 
[19:26] <Kilos> which last one
[19:26] <Langjan> last 2 were fine
[19:26] <Kilos> i sent from ubuntu.co yahoo and 2 gmail accounts
[19:26] <Kilos> ill sent another ubuntu,com
[19:27] <Langjan> Try the first one again please
[19:27] <Kilos> done
[19:28] <Langjan> ok that one is also fine now
[19:28] <Kilos> we0000t
[19:28] <Langjan> Ons hou duimvas
[19:28] <Kilos> lyk my jy wen
[19:29] <Langjan> Hoop so, hyt nie 'n ma of 'n pa nie, hys 'n masjien - maar kom ons kyk wat gebeur more
[19:30] <Langjan> OK nou het ek van jan_ en junk ontslae geraak
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> goeie aand vir jou die
[19:31] <Kilos> sommer twee goed in een slag
[19:32] <Langjan> baie dankie Kilos, hoop dit word more warmer by julle, hier is dit ook maar koud, vanoggend 7 uur was dit 6 ggrade 
[19:32] <Kilos> daar was ys by ons
[19:33] <Kilos> en vanaand nog kouer
[19:33] <Langjan> sjoe, sterkte
[19:33] <Kilos> jy is welkom enige tyd
[19:33] <Langjan> kom kuier hier op warmbad, as jy nie opwarm nie gooi ons jou in die warm water
[19:33] <Kilos> waneer gaan jy begin kde gebruik?
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Langjan> wat is kde?
[19:34] <Kilos> kubuntu
[19:34] <Langjan> nee man, hoekom? alles werk mooi by my
[19:34] <Kilos> ek hou baie van dit
[19:34] <Squirm> Langjan: a Desktop Environment, like GNOME, XFCE of LXDE
[19:34] <Kilos> mazaal het ook oor geskakel
[19:34] <Kilos> lol als werk mooi
[19:35] <Kilos> ek sal dit onthou
[19:35] <Kilos> i can do like fly and pro and say
[19:35] <Kilos> is doesnt happen to me i use kde
[19:35] <Langjan> Ek hou nie van die k voor nie
[19:35] <Langjan> klink te veel na bee
[19:36] <Kilos> so wat moet ons doen as jy kunsmatige asemhaling nodig het een dag
[19:36] <Langjan> begrawe my
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <kulelu88> this must be the only IRC network in the world where afrikaans is spoken
[19:36] <Kilos> haha
[19:36] <Kilos> yeah most likely
[19:36] <Langjan> watse taal praat jy daar kulelu88 ?
[19:37] <kulelu88> altwee 
[19:37] <Langjan> you speak two tales?
[19:37] <Kilos> only language i dont speak is greel
[19:37] <kulelu88> I can speak afrikaans, but my taal is in simple terms "bevok"
[19:37] <Kilos> greek
[19:38] <Kilos> sjoe we must go sleep now
[19:38] <Langjan> Hey kulelu88  thanks for the help
[19:38] <Kilos> you youngsters have too much energy
[19:38] <kulelu88> no problemo
[19:39] <Langjan> Julle ou manne moet lekker slaap 
[19:39] <Langjan> ons jonges gaan nog bietjie werk
[19:39] <Kilos> lol dankie oompie
[19:39] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:39] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:39] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos  jy ook, hoop jy slaap warm
[19:39] <Kilos> dankie my vriend
[19:39] <Kilos> jy altyd welkom
[19:40] <Kilos> vergadering more aand ne
[19:40] <Langjan> Baie dankie ek weet, waardeer
[19:40] <Kilos> 8.30nm
[19:40] <Langjan> Dis net vir die geeks
[19:40] <Kilos> nee man
[19:40] <Langjan> ons jongmanne het werk om te doen
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <Kilos> nag
[19:41] <Langjan> Jy ook lekker spaal
[19:41] <Langjan> slaap
[20:05] <superfly> kulelu88: so when are you coming to work for Nomanini?
[20:06] <superfly> *sigh* still no Internet at home
[20:07] <kulelu88> I need a compelling offer to come to cape town :D
[20:07] <kulelu88> plus I'm worried I'm not dev material. My coding process is weird :D
[20:08] <kulelu88> superfly: you guys in the cape will have fibre long before we do
[20:11] <MaNI> if you buy in the right complex you can already have it :(
[20:12] <kulelu88> but mehh, it's kinda pointless with the offers. "100MB down with a 50GB cap"
[20:12] <superfly> we've got fibre at work. just 10 meg though (anything else is way too expensive)
[20:12] <superfly> exactly
[20:12] <kulelu88> it's like they already know folks will be HD streaming shit all day
[20:12] <superfly> we've got 10Mbps uncapped for 2 grand per month
[20:12] <kulelu88> that's not expensive for a business IMO
[20:13] <MaNI> http://develde.sadv.co.za/#!/prods
[20:13] <MaNI> that looks pretty good, woner what the FUP is
[20:13] <superfly> no, it's actually fairly decent
[20:13] <MaNI> I know someone with an apartment there I should get them to sign up and bounce a wireless link my way
[20:14] <kulelu88> i think that's still for copper lines
[20:15] <MaNI> its fibre to the complex with wireless to individual places from what I can tell
[20:16] <kulelu88> aah so it's village-wide wifi. 
[20:16] <kulelu88> I bet its unsecure, perfect for stealing bank login cookies
[20:17] <MaNI> or its fibre with a free wireless hub for your house, I can't actually tell now
[20:18] <kulelu88> MaNI: whats your gig? developer also?
[20:18] <MaNI> yeah
[20:18] <MaNI> http://www.tshwanedje.com/
[20:21] <kulelu88> I'm guessing you're the cofounder? David?
[20:22] <MaNI> I'm not David :p
[20:22] <kulelu88> You guys must be offering a solid salary for a C++ programmer in 2015
[20:24] <superfly> MaNI: what language you guys use? and how do you make your stuff "cross platform"?
[20:24] <MaNI> we are the c++ programmers, not a big company
[20:25] <MaNI> superfly, c++ with some other stuff mixed in
[20:25] <kulelu88> what is your LoC for all the products?
[20:25] <kulelu88> couple million?
[20:26] <MaNI> we pick our libraries carefully - but in general C++ is pretty portable despite all the FUD by the Java etc. crowd
[20:26] <superfly> MaNI: wanna come do embedded c++? :-P
[20:26] <superfly> we need more developers
[20:27] <MaNI> embedded c++, isn't that just c? :P
[20:27] <kulelu88> hahahaha
[20:27] <MaNI> LoC - actually not sure haven't peeked in a while
[20:27] <superfly> MaNI: nope, though we do have some of that too
[20:28] <MaNI> more developers - we all need those :P
[20:28] <kulelu88> I dunno though. are you guys doing OOP on embedded devices?
[20:28] <superfly> kulelu88: yes
[20:28] <kulelu88> that must be painful :/
[20:28] <superfly> actually, it works a WHOLE lot better than not
[20:29] <kulelu88> what kind of hardware is the embedded device using? 
[20:29] <superfly> ARM
[20:29] <MaNI> embedded world has changed a lot
[20:29] <MaNI> I imagine a sensible subset of C++ works well
[20:29] <kulelu88> *please say raspberry Pi or something
[20:30] <superfly> kulelu88: negative. our own custom hardware. the Pi doesn't have all the bits we need
[20:30] <MaNI> the trick to C++ is knowing when not to use all of it
[20:30] <superfly> kulelu88: also, we need to be able to do stuff the Pi can't, in hardware terms, like make the batteries last 5 days
[20:30] <kulelu88> there is micropython also, but I don't think that is usable for companies. 
[20:31] <kulelu88> is there a solar panel on the device? 
[20:31] <MaNI> sounds interesting at least
[20:32] <superfly> kulelu88: nope
[20:33] <kulelu88> it would probably throw the cost of the device out quite a bit for solar 
[20:33] <kulelu88> although I suspect a lot of your users of the device are outside a lot
[20:35] <superfly> well, when an overnight charge lasts you 5 days, there's very little reason to use solar charding
[20:35] <superfly> *charging
[20:35] <superfly> besides, solar charging is not all that good either. takes WAY longer than plugging a usb cable in
[20:35] <kulelu88> True, but if they are in the sun all day, they save on needing to use electricity to charge it at all
[20:36] <kulelu88> there must be some solid electronics guys at nomanini
[20:36] <superfly> not all of them are
[20:36] <superfly> yes
[20:36] <kulelu88> why aren't you guys doing this in south america also? seems like a decent-sized market there too
[20:37] <superfly> well, it's about effort versus returns
[20:37] <superfly> Africa is easier for us
[20:37] <kulelu88> still worth investigating. 
[20:37] <superfly> we've actually recently had to narrow down our focus even more, due to how much we were stretching ourselves thin
[20:38] <MaNI> south america is a tough market :p
[20:38] <kulelu88> Licensing model? 
[20:38] <superfly> we don't sell the devices, per se. we sell the management platform. the devices are obviously paid for, and part of the sell, but that's not where we make our money
[20:38] <superfly> "sell"
[20:38] <kulelu88> I think airtime isn't enough. for a device like that, those guys must sell all types of digital prepaid stuff. electricity included
[20:39] <superfly> yep, and we have some exciting stuff in the pipeline which will do electricty and other things like that
[20:39] <superfly> m-pesa
[20:39] <superfly> etc
[20:41] <kulelu88> how do the merchants "see" things? there is no screen
[20:41] <MaNI> I wanted to ask that as well
[20:43] <kulelu88> it looks similar to those devices at garages, except those are touch-screen :P
[20:43] <superfly> well, there's an info button that tells you some details
[20:44] <superfly> and there is a battery indicator on the front too
[20:44] <superfly> and it's got a very simple button interface. press a button, press print. out comes voucher
[20:45] <superfly> our Mozambique partners find it particularly effective in the rural areas, where there's less need for services like electricity, but more need for airtime
[20:46] <superfly> and as I mentioned earlier, we've got some exciting plans in the pipeline for enabling stuff like prepaid water and electricity
[20:46] <kulelu88> but there's 1 problem. Say I have 6 rand and want a 6rand voucher and this device only supports button-based vouchers, I can't buy a R6 voucher
[20:47] <superfly> you'd be surprised at what the popular denominations are
[20:48] <superfly> in ZA, MTN R5 is the top voucher
[20:48] <superfly> followed by MTN R10
[20:48] <superfly> then Vodacom 5, and 10, respectively
[20:48] <superfly> we have those buttons, plus 12, 29, etc.
[20:49] <superfly> it actually works a lot better than it might seem.
[20:49] <kulelu88> I can think of hundreds of applications for this embedded device, but it needs a cool interface
[20:49] <superfly> kulelu88: just like everybody else :-P
[20:49] <kulelu88> and I can't believe you guys manufacture it locally!
[20:49] <superfly> yep
[20:50] <kulelu88> superfly: if you need recruits, start coming to Tuks to recruit engineers
[20:50] <MaNI> manual labour or construction line?
[20:50] <kulelu88> they teach python ftw!!! 
[20:50] <superfly> MaNI: bit of both
[20:51] <superfly> kulelu88: we already hunt UCT :-) we've got a student who will be joining us at the end of the year
[20:51] <kulelu88> MaNI: looks like they use injection moulding for the plastic and some assembly is done manually 
[20:51] <kulelu88> I know Tuks engineers are solid though
[20:51] <kulelu88> like some are insanely intelligent
[20:52] <superfly> being cape town based means it's a little difficult to track them down ;-)
[20:52] <superfly> but if you know of anyone, please send them on
[20:52] <kulelu88> we can get gremble to recruit them for you
[20:53] <superfly> we need to grow our team over the next 18 months, so even if folks can't join *right now*, we're willing to wait for the right people
[20:53] <kulelu88> I'm pretty convinced that if I take nomanini posters to the campus open day and tell them "come do embedded programming in cape town", you will recruit all the PC/electronic engineers
[20:54] <superfly> hehe
[20:54] <superfly> we also need python and web folks
[20:54] <MaNI> surely most of them want to work on flashy touch screen stuff :p
[20:54] <superfly> but we do cross-discipline development... everyone does a bit of everything
[20:54] <kulelu88> engineers demand high salaries though
[20:54] <superfly> (hence why I wrote the bootloader in assembler)
[20:55] <kulelu88> contract me to recruit for you in PTA superfly :D
[20:55] <superfly> kulelu88: I still want to know why you're not sending your CV in
[20:55] <kulelu88> me and MaNI will go show sleepytorians the fantasy of cape town :D
[20:56] <kulelu88> superfly: today I started work at 4pm and they dont mind. that's why :D 
[20:56] <superfly> heh
[20:56] <MaNI> heh, I'm in CT, don't let the company name fool you
[20:57] <MaNI> also a good example of why you never put a city in your company name :p
[20:57] <kulelu88> ohhh yeah MaNI is also a capetonian
[20:57] <kulelu88> tshwane must be a nightmare for SEO
[20:57] <MaNI> we were originally in pta as the name suggests :/
[20:58] <MaNI> should probably rebrand one day, but most our clients are international so they don't know the difference
[20:58] <superfly> alrighty folks, I must put my head on my pillow
[20:58] <superfly> kulelu88: send your CV in anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised :-P
[21:00] <kulelu88> yeah MaNI . I was just thinkin what an isolated but lucrative niche you guys have
[21:00] <kulelu88> take care superfly 
[21:02] <MaNI> not as lucrative as we would hope, but we get by :P
[21:03] <MaNI> linguistic people are a strange bunch of customers
[21:04] <kulelu88> you need an artsy person to sell to artsy people
[21:06] <MaNI> heh, thats where our eccentric belgian friend comes in :p
[21:06] <kulelu88> I bet you program compilers for fun MaNI 
[21:09] <MaNI> nah not compilers :p
[21:11] <MaNI> not all c++ people are completely insane
[21:12] <kulelu88> I've been contemplating writing one
[21:14] <MaNI> I made a little language once back in the day, but that was long ago, I guess if I were to do it now I'd probably piggy back on something like LLVM to do most the work
[21:15] <MaNI> spend a lot of time writing lingusitic parsers, which are not that different from compilers at the end of the day, I suppose
[21:16] <kulelu88> that's what I was going to do heh. Use LLVM