[04:45] inetpro: you're awake far too early [05:20] sup all? :) [05:21] tad early I take it :p [06:01] morning all [06:26] morning superfly nlsthzn pieter2627 inetpro MaNI and others [06:37] hi [06:42] how are you uncle Kilos ? All well? [06:42] with me ty yes nlsthzn just watching the news is depressing [06:43] how you guys [06:44] meeting here tomorrow night [06:44] and in africa the next night [06:44] aw superfly why we so serious [06:45] ah ok... I try not to watch the news... [06:46] I am working day after tomorrow so it will be to late for me [06:46] np lad i understand [06:50] our fly is becoming quite a baker [06:50] meh [06:50] when it actually works [06:50] lol [06:51] somewhere i have a relatively easy bread recipe, i will send it when i come across it [06:52] i prefer making puffs [06:52] the difficult part is the kneading [06:52] yeah [06:52] but we have a bread machine, so it does that for us ;-) [06:52] mornings [06:52] morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:55] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:04] Morning [07:04] hi Squirm [07:31] superfly http://bin.snyman.info/b3453 [07:31] thats for rolls [07:32] but works for bread too [07:33] when making the rolls you can put strips of salami in the centre or cheese for flavoured rolls [07:35] the measurements for 1 bread are those in the brackets [07:37] if you dont like crispy crusts then when you remove from over you cover with a toweling dish cloth [07:38] s/over/oven [07:47] SA virus hit, power outage [07:47] lol [09:06] More almal [09:13] hi barrydk [09:43] hi pietie [09:49] Hoe gaan dit Kilos [09:49] goed dankie en self barrydk [09:50] Stil en lus, maar nie lus om hier te wees nie, verlof was te lekker [09:51] lol [09:52] nie eers tyd gehad om bietjie hier te spy of te minetest nie [09:54] haha [09:58] Daars darem baie te doen en te sien op die tuinroete [09:59] ya goeie pad om te ry as jy nie haastig is nie [10:00] Net so eentonig al om die huis [10:06] Hi oom Kilos [10:07] Hi everyone [10:07] hi mazal [10:07] hey mazal [10:08] i see we have a few bakers [10:08] bakers ? [10:08] lol [10:08] was the subject earlier [10:08] i need to make puffs again with chili in [10:09] chili bytes are good for cold weather [10:09] ag nee , here we go with the chili again :( [10:09] hahaha [10:09] hulle lekker met ui in ook [10:09] of kaas og knoffel blare [10:10] no comment [10:10] yea i can now also set my away status as 'Baking whatever' without too much shame :P [10:10] do you bake pieter2627 [10:10] i dont bake much [10:10] bread a few times a week to have something for lunch [10:11] wow [10:11] tough in africa hey [10:11] no, the rest of the household members are just too lazy to remember the recipes [10:12] lol [10:12] I can only bake mielie bread [10:12] sounds sweetish [10:12] that be lekker bread [10:12] I used to do it regularly , but not anymore [10:13] and banana bread [10:15] hmmm yum yum [10:31] wife has banana bread in oven [10:34] Kilos: maybe we also need that list for the za peeps so that one knows where to go to get a fresh baked banana bread for lunch :P [10:45] lol [10:47] I'm always looking for good food sources :P [10:55] nlsthzn your wife has a bun in the oven? ;p [10:55] congrats ;p [11:04] hi GnikLlort [11:04] sup Kilos [11:04] welcome to ubuntu-za [11:05] ty [11:07] GnikLlort tell us about yourself. like what you do and what system you use etc [11:08] Im GnikLlort aka Chris, i do Security irl [11:08] HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-44-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "trusty" 14.04 ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8700 @ 2.53GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,8GiB, 72,1% free ** Disk: Total: 454,5GiB, 80,2% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: 645 NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe ** [11:08] Uptime: 6h 43m 35s ** [11:08] and if you need any help just state what the prob is [11:08] im just chilling atm [11:08] oh you an old hand [11:08] unity user [11:10] nice to have you here [11:11] oh and we are having our monthly meeting tomorrow night at 8.30pm here [11:11] Hi GnikLlort [11:11] you are welcome to join in [11:14] hi mazal [11:14] hmm... [11:14] dont think imma make the meeting tho [11:15] I get home @ 6pm then at 8 im in bed [11:15] aw [11:15] too cold to stay up anyway [11:15] i have no choice , im the greeting bot here [11:19] lmao [11:41] lol Kilos [11:42] You do well as the greeting bot :D [11:42] hehe [11:42] thats all im good at [11:42] https://pitstop.manageengine.com/sysadminday/myths-vs-facts.html?SysCamp [11:50] bun in wife been out for five months now :p [12:02] hi and welcome GnikLlort [12:05] pieter2627 how did he get that pc infor all in one place like that? [12:05] hexchat > View > send system info... i think [12:05] oh ya [12:05] s/view/window/ [12:06] HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.19.0-16-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "vivid" 15.04 ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1000M @ 1.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.80GHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.7GiB, 68.4% free ** Disk: Total: 175.0GiB, 13.1% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** [12:06] Uptime: 6h 7m 19s ** [12:06] i forgot that part [12:06] jip that it [12:06] hi pieter2627 sorry for the long reply [12:07] i wonder how one would get that info in konversation [12:07] not serious [12:08] np, i took 2 or 3 hours to revive this mornings topic [12:08] fastest way to get an unaffiliated host mask? [12:08] lol [12:08] go to #freenode and ask staff GnikLlort [12:08] kk [12:15] sometimes you have to be patient [12:16] I have a-lot of time :) [12:16] and you nick must be registered [12:16] your [12:16] -NickServ- Information on GnikLlort (account GnikLlort): [12:16] -NickServ- Registered : Jan 11 07:53:01 2014 (1y 28w 1d ago) [12:17] wow why you took so long to find us? [12:17] I was on efnet [12:17] are there buntu peeps there as well? [12:18] yea, and some other that forced me to leave [12:18] oh my [12:18] oh well their loss is our gain [12:18] true lol [12:19] lol [12:19] just make sure to add us to your favourites [12:20] i like it when clever peeps join us, more place for me to get help [12:20] added to autojoin [12:20] cool [12:20] hm, wonder if I should add a bnc here [12:21] you will see we arent tied to the topic most of the time, this is like a family channel [12:21] nice [12:22] there is a song about us i think [12:22] were simply the best [12:23] ^^^^^^^^^^^ [12:23] we have python experts, a bucket full of sysadmins [12:23] some raw linux guys [12:23] I know a little about python :x [12:24] haha that reminds me [12:24] Have been using Ubuntu for a few years tho [12:24] we had a guy join here that said he loves doing python stuff [12:25] i gave him a greeter bot script that needs some work [12:25] and he never came back [12:25] lold [12:25] we have a really potent fly here that is a python master [12:26] i like node.js irc bots [12:26] we got python bot written by our guys [12:26] nice [12:26] Maaz coffee on [12:26] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [12:26] lol [12:26] Maaz rusks please [12:26] behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos [12:27] lol nice [12:27] he can do lotsa things [12:27] coffee is my favourite [12:28] Maaz help [12:28] Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. [12:28] Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. [12:28] thats cool :) [12:28] I never made an irc bot from scratch to [12:28] tho* [12:29] i think this one was written to fit in with our way of doing things [12:29] does meeting minutes and everything [12:30] ah nice [12:30] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [12:30] oh and weather forecasts [12:30] Maaz ty [12:30] You are welcome Kilos [12:31] cool [12:47] Lekker aand vir almal [13:32] hmm... [13:33] :) [13:33] hehe [13:48] Kilos: , inetpro: I currently don't have an Internet connection at home (some issue between my router and ADSL), so I don't know if I'll even be at the meeting tomorrow night, nevermind being able to chair it. [13:48] superfly i think pro is chairing, but ty for the feetback [13:56] yeah, just letting you know [13:56] ty sir [14:29] uh, good afternoon [14:29] hi inetpro [14:30] you ready to drive the chair [14:30] Kilos: all indications are that I will have trouble with loadshedding again [14:30] inetpro fixit [14:30] yikes! [14:30] lol [14:30] you the master fixer [14:31] just make sure lappy battery is charged [14:31] and whatever else you did last time [14:33] load-shedding is a pain in the neck [14:33] yeah [14:37] Power went off @ 6pm and back on @ 8pm yesterday :( [14:40] they missed me for some reason but at 8pm but i had already shutdown here and gone to bed [14:53] oh GnikLlort do you want to join us [14:54] ubuntu-za that is [14:54] you got a launchpad id havent you [14:54] yea i would [14:55] i dont know what a launchpad id is tbh'\ [14:55] i think on this link https://ubuntu-za.org [14:55] ok lemme think [14:57] found it [15:06] "You have successfully joined South African Ubuntu team." [15:06] cool [15:06] there is some wiki work too [15:08] i think it is also on the site [15:08] where members show [15:30] gtg bbl [17:21] hmm... [17:27] so inetpro where is that wiki page hiding where we put our active members please? [17:27] im freezing here [17:27] its cold af [17:27] yeah [17:28] inetpro the new wiki page where it says you are mr fixit [17:29] Squirm do you know the link [17:34] sorry GnikLlort i cant find the right link, one of the clever guys will help out [17:35] oh [17:35] we made a new wiki page for active peeps [17:35] but who knows where [17:36] mazal waar is dit man [17:36] GnikLlort where are you? im in ptown [17:37] pta [17:37] George [17:37] ah we dont have many guys down there [17:37] they all in capeetown [17:38] capetown [17:38] My mother is there now :( [17:38] us few tvl peeps are really cold this winter [17:39] ha i think i found it [17:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members [17:39] yay [17:40] can you add yourself there please [17:40] yea sure [17:43] oh and welcome to the za team [17:44] hi Langjan jan__ [17:44] got you both [17:45] Hi Kilos dint know why the damn thing keeps on with jan, double identity crisis? [17:45] lol [17:46] hoe gaan dit daar [17:46] ek vrek van die koue [17:53] oom Langjan [17:54] jy ok xchat of hexchat ne [17:54] op [17:54] Sorry, ek was op die foon, hoe gaan dit Kilos [17:54] goed dankie en self [17:55] Goed dankie [17:55] soek server-list [17:55] Net moerloos met my Thunderbird [17:55] dan edit by freenode [17:55] iewers het jy jan en langjan ingesit [17:56] Ja ek weet maar hoe om dit reg te maak [17:56] miskien twee keer die server goed ingevil [17:56] Waar is server-list? [17:56] sjoe wag ek boot gou in unity in [17:57] Thks [17:59] you got hexchat or xchat? [17:59] xchat [18:00] hexchat is bae [18:00] lemme install that quick [18:01] i wish you toppies would learn to use kde [18:02] whats bae? [18:03] hexchat is 10/10 [18:03] he peoples [18:03] *hey [18:03] tick at the top [18:03] any CT-side adsl people alive? [18:04] xchat - network list [18:04] hi ThatGraemeGuy [18:04] gtg, have to wake up at 4am [18:04] OK [18:04] ok GnikLlort [18:04] sleep warm [18:04] ty [18:05] then freenode should be lit up [18:05] tick edit [18:06] ok [18:06] what you see at the top [18:06] should be one entry [18:06] irc.freenode.net/8001 [18:07] is that all? [18:07] yes [18:07] oh my [18:07] i was hoping you had 2 open [18:07] I closed the one [18:08] i wonder if it isnt just hidden [18:08] because its still active [18:09] hmm... [18:10] it must be remembering it somewhere [18:11] did you tick on the remove button to close it [18:11] Yes I think I did [18:11] oh my goodness [18:11] Was messing around a bit to get rid of it [18:12] you didnt perhaps just delete it [18:12] Dunno, lets forget about it for now, its not a trainsmash [18:12] the remove should have removed it completely [18:13] ok lets go tb [18:13] Yip, thbd is driving me nuts [18:13] whats the prob [18:13] Have been googling around the Mozilla forums [18:14] It keeps on labelling mails as junk [18:14] hi kulelu88 [18:14] ola [18:14] are you using pop? [18:14] its set to not do it if they are in my address book, still does it [18:14] ai! [18:15] then real spam is not labelled, its just crazy [18:15] yes pop [18:15] lol [18:15] and from where do your mails come [18:15] all over [18:15] not gmail? [18:15] mostly peeps on my address list [18:15] any specific ones that are junked [18:15] some are gmail also [18:16] what i mean is have you got a gmail account [18:16] im mirin tonight brah. no throttle on P2P [18:17] i had to go there a few times to tell gmail certain messages arent junk [18:17] almost everything, I set junk status of an adress to not junk in filters, next time same againl [18:17] you need a catchall filter Langjan [18:17] oi oom Langjan wat en hoop inetpro maak dit hier vanaand [18:17] Well I keep telling it and it keeps on ignoring it [18:18] oh kulelu88 will try advise [18:18] catchall filter? [18:20] https://www.siteground.com/tutorials/email/catch_all_email.htm [18:20] ek dink dis daar in [18:21] ek hoop so [18:21] haha hy terug [18:22] Now it has disconnected me and reconnected via jan [18:22] lol [18:22] look in there where we were and see what you have as second choice for your nick [18:23] I know, it's jan__ [18:23] gmail is a bit tricky because of what google does on its own. they're big on AI [18:23] change that to langjan_ [18:23] or 0 [18:24] ai! [18:24] - [18:24] hi MaNI [18:25] inetpro where you hiding? [18:26] hi [18:42] hmm... langjan having xchat probs too now [18:42] shame [18:45] wb Langjan [18:45] wat breek jy als man [18:45] could be the server. Langjan try another freenode server [18:46] I got lost, then deleted my xchat directory file and started afresh [18:46] lol [18:46] xchat isnt supported anymore [18:46] so most are going to hexchat [18:47] klink te veel na heksery [18:47] lol [18:47] so must I go there? [18:47] hexchat is hard to setup on regular ubuntu [18:47] no if its still working keep it [18:47] but jan is gone now [18:48] so something worked [18:48] xchat is not unsupported Kilos . it comes as a standard ubuntu package, so it must be supported or at least moonlighted [18:48] yes, god riddance [18:48] good [18:48] it was broadcast its not supported anymore [18:48] whoa. just like thunderbird :) [18:49] *:( [18:49] ok kulelu88 please help the oom fix TB [18:49] Hi kulelu88 [18:49] Hello oupa Langjan . [18:50] lmga [18:50] hi seuntjie [18:50] ek het een oom op hier en en oupa [18:50] *een oupa [18:50] lol [18:50] Ja, amper oupagrootjie [18:50] sjoe [18:51] die oom speel pragtig maar. Het een twee meisies [18:51] my kinders weet nie van kinders maak nie [18:51] of moet ek vir hulle se "tante" ? :D [18:52] Thunderbird is not supported anymore ? [18:52] Kilos, hoekom leer jy nie jou kinders nie? [18:52] lol [18:52] nee man een pas haar ma op en die ander het te veel girlfriends [18:53] mazal: it went into some weird "we don't support it anymore" mode by Mozilla and it was a clusterfuck basically. but the community is supporting it now (afaik) [18:53] If that goes down , then what to use. No real other options [18:53] there is a nice 1 coming along. it is node-webkit based [18:54] comes with built-in encryption [18:55] Proper email clients is something that is really lacking [18:55] mazal: it's hard work though. [18:55] you gotta use a low-level language and UI can be shit [18:56] help the oom fix his TB now guys [18:56] is the problem that gmail is not sending emails in the spambox ? [18:59] would the client then still fetch them and mark as junk? [19:00] No kulelu88 the problem is that TB is labelling just about everything as junk except real junk [19:01] It is supposed to be set to not label addresses in my address book as spam but they are all marked as spam no matter how many times I set the filters to not junk [19:01] lol [19:01] Maybe reset "training data" might help ? [19:02] dis nie snaaks nie seuntjie [19:02] youve got it installed upside down man [19:02] lol [19:02] Hey that makes sense Kilos [19:03] something is corrupt there [19:03] Langjan, did you try that yet ? [19:03] but what [19:04] remove your filters and start over. make screenshots if necessary [19:04] Try to reset "td" mazal ? No, how do I do that? [19:05] tools - options - security - junk [19:05] Under that is a "reset training data" options [19:05] That is suppose to wipe it's database of what was marked as spam and start a new one [19:05] Kilos, the mail you just sent me was labelled junk [19:05] oh my [19:06] break something [19:06] none of my mails are junk [19:06] mazal, there is no options under tools [19:07] Ag nee , probably cos I am on the Win version here [19:07] The options menu should be somewhere there , just in different place [19:07] anyone here proficient in ansible? [19:07] and good eve [19:07] Not on my linux version now so can't check :( [19:08] OK I have rteset training data, is that right? [19:09] Yep , maybe that will help [19:09] Its under edit, preferences [19:09] It is suppose to not have memory of previous spam now [19:10] "suppose to" being the key words [19:10] OK so what do I do about the junk filter settings? [19:10] There just make sure all adress books are selected to not be filtered [19:11] Mine have 3 " collected , collected adresses and personal " [19:11] All are selected not to be filtered [19:12] Or not to be marked as spam I should say [19:13] oom Kilos , the mail you sent to Jan , was it from your private account ? ( gmail ) [19:13] ya mu ubuntu.com [19:13] my [19:13] to the list ? [19:14] Or direct to LangJan ? [19:14] direct [19:14] but that was before you did this now [19:14] was while he was away [19:15] Langjan, after you did that restart your TB and see if the training data wipe helped [19:15] Kilos, please send another mail [19:16] ok [19:16] sent [19:17] Thks, marked as junk again [19:17] oh my [19:17] Ag nee [19:17] That was the only ideas I had sorry :( [19:17] thks for trying mazal [19:17] Kilos, stop sending junk man !! [19:18] ja sĂȘ hom [19:18] sorry [19:18] let me try as n gewone mens [19:19] Ek gaan duik , vries hierso [19:19] Night everyone , sleep well , God bless [19:20] sent [19:22] also junk Langjan ? [19:22] Also junk, drives me crazy [19:23] next one on its way [19:23] trying different mail peeps [19:25] ok last one sent [19:25] OK I think we are making progress, that one was fine, I set filters to mark your mail as not junk Kilos [19:26] which last one [19:26] last 2 were fine [19:26] i sent from ubuntu.co yahoo and 2 gmail accounts [19:26] ill sent another ubuntu,com [19:27] Try the first one again please [19:27] done [19:28] ok that one is also fine now [19:28] we0000t [19:28] Ons hou duimvas [19:28] lyk my jy wen [19:29] Hoop so, hyt nie 'n ma of 'n pa nie, hys 'n masjien - maar kom ons kyk wat gebeur more [19:30] OK nou het ek van jan_ en junk ontslae geraak [19:30] lol [19:31] goeie aand vir jou die [19:31] sommer twee goed in een slag [19:32] baie dankie Kilos, hoop dit word more warmer by julle, hier is dit ook maar koud, vanoggend 7 uur was dit 6 ggrade [19:32] daar was ys by ons [19:33] en vanaand nog kouer [19:33] sjoe, sterkte [19:33] jy is welkom enige tyd [19:33] kom kuier hier op warmbad, as jy nie opwarm nie gooi ons jou in die warm water [19:33] waneer gaan jy begin kde gebruik? [19:34] lol [19:34] wat is kde? [19:34] kubuntu [19:34] nee man, hoekom? alles werk mooi by my [19:34] ek hou baie van dit [19:34] Langjan: a Desktop Environment, like GNOME, XFCE of LXDE [19:34] mazaal het ook oor geskakel [19:34] lol als werk mooi [19:35] ek sal dit onthou [19:35] i can do like fly and pro and say [19:35] is doesnt happen to me i use kde [19:35] Ek hou nie van die k voor nie [19:35] klink te veel na bee [19:36] so wat moet ons doen as jy kunsmatige asemhaling nodig het een dag [19:36] begrawe my [19:36] lol [19:36] this must be the only IRC network in the world where afrikaans is spoken [19:36] haha [19:36] yeah most likely [19:36] watse taal praat jy daar kulelu88 ? [19:37] altwee [19:37] you speak two tales? [19:37] only language i dont speak is greel [19:37] I can speak afrikaans, but my taal is in simple terms "bevok" [19:37] greek [19:38] sjoe we must go sleep now [19:38] Hey kulelu88 thanks for the help [19:38] you youngsters have too much energy [19:38] no problemo [19:39] Julle ou manne moet lekker slaap [19:39] ons jonges gaan nog bietjie werk [19:39] lol dankie oompie [19:39] lekker slaap [19:39] night all, sleep tight [19:39] Dankie Kilos jy ook, hoop jy slaap warm [19:39] dankie my vriend [19:39] jy altyd welkom [19:40] vergadering more aand ne [19:40] Baie dankie ek weet, waardeer [19:40] 8.30nm [19:40] Dis net vir die geeks [19:40] nee man [19:40] ons jongmanne het werk om te doen [19:40] lol [19:40] nag [19:41] Jy ook lekker spaal [19:41] slaap [20:05] kulelu88: so when are you coming to work for Nomanini? [20:06] *sigh* still no Internet at home [20:07] I need a compelling offer to come to cape town :D [20:07] plus I'm worried I'm not dev material. My coding process is weird :D [20:08] superfly: you guys in the cape will have fibre long before we do [20:11] if you buy in the right complex you can already have it :( [20:12] but mehh, it's kinda pointless with the offers. "100MB down with a 50GB cap" [20:12] we've got fibre at work. just 10 meg though (anything else is way too expensive) [20:12] exactly [20:12] it's like they already know folks will be HD streaming shit all day [20:12] we've got 10Mbps uncapped for 2 grand per month [20:12] that's not expensive for a business IMO [20:13] http://develde.sadv.co.za/#!/prods [20:13] that looks pretty good, woner what the FUP is [20:13] no, it's actually fairly decent [20:13] I know someone with an apartment there I should get them to sign up and bounce a wireless link my way [20:14] i think that's still for copper lines [20:15] its fibre to the complex with wireless to individual places from what I can tell [20:16] aah so it's village-wide wifi. [20:16] I bet its unsecure, perfect for stealing bank login cookies [20:17] or its fibre with a free wireless hub for your house, I can't actually tell now [20:18] MaNI: whats your gig? developer also? [20:18] yeah [20:18] http://www.tshwanedje.com/ [20:21] I'm guessing you're the cofounder? David? [20:22] I'm not David :p [20:22] You guys must be offering a solid salary for a C++ programmer in 2015 [20:24] MaNI: what language you guys use? and how do you make your stuff "cross platform"? [20:24] we are the c++ programmers, not a big company [20:25] superfly, c++ with some other stuff mixed in [20:25] what is your LoC for all the products? [20:25] couple million? [20:26] we pick our libraries carefully - but in general C++ is pretty portable despite all the FUD by the Java etc. crowd [20:26] MaNI: wanna come do embedded c++? :-P [20:26] we need more developers [20:27] embedded c++, isn't that just c? :P [20:27] hahahaha [20:27] LoC - actually not sure haven't peeked in a while [20:27] MaNI: nope, though we do have some of that too [20:28] more developers - we all need those :P [20:28] I dunno though. are you guys doing OOP on embedded devices? [20:28] kulelu88: yes [20:28] that must be painful :/ [20:28] actually, it works a WHOLE lot better than not [20:29] what kind of hardware is the embedded device using? [20:29] ARM [20:29] embedded world has changed a lot [20:29] I imagine a sensible subset of C++ works well [20:29] *please say raspberry Pi or something [20:30] kulelu88: negative. our own custom hardware. the Pi doesn't have all the bits we need [20:30] the trick to C++ is knowing when not to use all of it [20:30] kulelu88: also, we need to be able to do stuff the Pi can't, in hardware terms, like make the batteries last 5 days [20:30] there is micropython also, but I don't think that is usable for companies. [20:31] is there a solar panel on the device? [20:31] sounds interesting at least [20:32] kulelu88: nope [20:33] it would probably throw the cost of the device out quite a bit for solar [20:33] although I suspect a lot of your users of the device are outside a lot [20:35] well, when an overnight charge lasts you 5 days, there's very little reason to use solar charding [20:35] *charging [20:35] besides, solar charging is not all that good either. takes WAY longer than plugging a usb cable in [20:35] True, but if they are in the sun all day, they save on needing to use electricity to charge it at all [20:36] there must be some solid electronics guys at nomanini [20:36] not all of them are [20:36] yes [20:36] why aren't you guys doing this in south america also? seems like a decent-sized market there too [20:37] well, it's about effort versus returns [20:37] Africa is easier for us [20:37] still worth investigating. [20:37] we've actually recently had to narrow down our focus even more, due to how much we were stretching ourselves thin [20:38] south america is a tough market :p [20:38] Licensing model? [20:38] we don't sell the devices, per se. we sell the management platform. the devices are obviously paid for, and part of the sell, but that's not where we make our money [20:38] "sell" [20:38] I think airtime isn't enough. for a device like that, those guys must sell all types of digital prepaid stuff. electricity included [20:39] yep, and we have some exciting stuff in the pipeline which will do electricty and other things like that [20:39] m-pesa [20:39] etc [20:41] how do the merchants "see" things? there is no screen [20:41] I wanted to ask that as well [20:43] it looks similar to those devices at garages, except those are touch-screen :P [20:43] well, there's an info button that tells you some details [20:44] and there is a battery indicator on the front too [20:44] and it's got a very simple button interface. press a button, press print. out comes voucher [20:45] our Mozambique partners find it particularly effective in the rural areas, where there's less need for services like electricity, but more need for airtime [20:46] and as I mentioned earlier, we've got some exciting plans in the pipeline for enabling stuff like prepaid water and electricity [20:46] but there's 1 problem. Say I have 6 rand and want a 6rand voucher and this device only supports button-based vouchers, I can't buy a R6 voucher [20:47] you'd be surprised at what the popular denominations are [20:48] in ZA, MTN R5 is the top voucher [20:48] followed by MTN R10 [20:48] then Vodacom 5, and 10, respectively [20:48] we have those buttons, plus 12, 29, etc. [20:49] it actually works a lot better than it might seem. [20:49] I can think of hundreds of applications for this embedded device, but it needs a cool interface [20:49] kulelu88: just like everybody else :-P [20:49] and I can't believe you guys manufacture it locally! [20:49] yep [20:50] superfly: if you need recruits, start coming to Tuks to recruit engineers [20:50] manual labour or construction line? [20:50] they teach python ftw!!! [20:50] MaNI: bit of both [20:51] kulelu88: we already hunt UCT :-) we've got a student who will be joining us at the end of the year [20:51] MaNI: looks like they use injection moulding for the plastic and some assembly is done manually [20:51] I know Tuks engineers are solid though [20:51] like some are insanely intelligent [20:52] being cape town based means it's a little difficult to track them down ;-) [20:52] but if you know of anyone, please send them on [20:52] we can get gremble to recruit them for you [20:53] we need to grow our team over the next 18 months, so even if folks can't join *right now*, we're willing to wait for the right people [20:53] I'm pretty convinced that if I take nomanini posters to the campus open day and tell them "come do embedded programming in cape town", you will recruit all the PC/electronic engineers [20:54] hehe [20:54] we also need python and web folks [20:54] surely most of them want to work on flashy touch screen stuff :p [20:54] but we do cross-discipline development... everyone does a bit of everything [20:54] engineers demand high salaries though [20:54] (hence why I wrote the bootloader in assembler) [20:55] contract me to recruit for you in PTA superfly :D [20:55] kulelu88: I still want to know why you're not sending your CV in [20:55] me and MaNI will go show sleepytorians the fantasy of cape town :D [20:56] superfly: today I started work at 4pm and they dont mind. that's why :D [20:56] heh [20:56] heh, I'm in CT, don't let the company name fool you [20:57] also a good example of why you never put a city in your company name :p [20:57] ohhh yeah MaNI is also a capetonian [20:57] tshwane must be a nightmare for SEO [20:57] we were originally in pta as the name suggests :/ [20:58] should probably rebrand one day, but most our clients are international so they don't know the difference [20:58] alrighty folks, I must put my head on my pillow [20:58] kulelu88: send your CV in anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised :-P [21:00] yeah MaNI . I was just thinkin what an isolated but lucrative niche you guys have [21:00] take care superfly [21:02] not as lucrative as we would hope, but we get by :P [21:03] linguistic people are a strange bunch of customers [21:04] you need an artsy person to sell to artsy people [21:06] heh, thats where our eccentric belgian friend comes in :p [21:06] I bet you program compilers for fun MaNI [21:09] nah not compilers :p [21:11] not all c++ people are completely insane [21:12] I've been contemplating writing one [21:14] I made a little language once back in the day, but that was long ago, I guess if I were to do it now I'd probably piggy back on something like LLVM to do most the work [21:15] spend a lot of time writing lingusitic parsers, which are not that different from compilers at the end of the day, I suppose [21:16] that's what I was going to do heh. Use LLVM === spinza- is now known as spinza