=== sakrecoer_ is now known as sakrecoer
[13:43] <OvenWerks> Just updated my 15.10 install. It actually did a distro upgrade... that is a lot has happened.
[13:44] <OvenWerks> I think I originally installed 15.10 soon after the first changes, so it was pretty close to 15.04.
[13:45] <OvenWerks> The login screen is fixed! \o/
[13:45] <OvenWerks> My settings for dual screens was not kept, I had to redo it.
[13:46] <OvenWerks> It went back to "mirror".
[13:47] <OvenWerks> I turned mirror off... the two monitors were on the wrong side, so I swapped them... they were still on the wrong side.
[13:47] <OvenWerks> Second swap worked.
[13:49] <OvenWerks> I think this is X changing the monitor numbers. I think X tends to auto change whatever monitor is on the left to primary.
[13:52] <OvenWerks> Or maybe not any more... I think x or xfce changed the monitor numbers in 15.04 and doesn't now. Something odd anyway. But it works ok once set.
[13:53] <OvenWerks> We really need to get rid of arandr now that Display works for everything.
[13:54] <OvenWerks> Having two display settings apps is confusing. It was just the only choice when we first added it and the need for it was gone the very next release.
[13:58] <OvenWerks> Ardour4 is correctly labled. Should be updated to 4.1. 4.2 is almost out. Ardour seems to be going through a lot of development. The gui is going to change 4.2 or 4.3.
[14:03] <OvenWerks> Opps I have got something wrong, or the master menu config has changed for xfce. Our doc menu items appear in system as well as our own sub.
[14:06] <OvenWerks> There is a calligra item in office that fails/shouldn't be there. Comes with krita?
[14:10] <OvenWerks> I can make it not show, but if someone then installs calligra in studio they would be missing a menu item. I think it is a bug in packaging that there is a menu item (desktop file) installed for an app that is not installed.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> There is no reason (looking at all the menu files) why the category "Documentation" should end up in the System menu.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> We may have to exclude it.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> As an aside: the stock KDE and gnome menu files are as bad or worse than ours for complexity and special cases.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> The gnome menu spec has changed a lot since 14.04 where it was very basic.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> KDE has always been the odd one out though it has changed a lot too.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> I think in both cases, the movement away from using menus has given feedback that those who still do use menus like them very much and would like to see improvements with them rather than abandoning them.