[07:27] <Noskcaj> If someone has the time to run me through some of iconview in glade that would be great
[10:19] <ochosi> Noskcaj: what info/hints are you looking for exactly?
[11:06] <bluesabre> hey all
[11:06] <bluesabre> I'll return to my regularly scheduled usefulness tonight
[11:06] <bluesabre> :D
[11:07] <knome> hey sean
[11:08] <knome> you ought to look at the new features of the tracker
[11:20] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:20] <ochosi> hope you enjoyed your holidays
[12:03] <ochosi> knome, pleia2 (or anyone else in -team with proofreading skills): i just finished a brief artwork update on our LO integration work for 15.10 on x.org, would be great if you could review before i publish! thanks in advance
[12:03] <ochosi> http://xubuntu.org/?p=3269&preview=true
[12:05] <astraljava> I've been told I'm one of the nastiest nitpickers people have ever met, and they run their texts by me because of it. I could have a look in a few hours when I get home.
[12:09] <knome> ochosi, Xubuntu’s default “elementary-xfce”. -> Xubuntu's default icon theme elementary-xfce
[12:09] <ochosi> knome: sure, feel free to change that
[12:09] <knome> ochosi, and i guess generally try to be consistent with quotes or no quotes on theme names
[12:10] <knome> ochosi, then release the lock
[12:10] <ochosi> oh
[12:10] <ochosi> oops :)
[12:10] <astraljava> Ahh... knome is on it, so then I don't need to. :D
[12:10]  * ochosi releases lock
[12:15]  * knome did edits, feel free to double-check
[12:15] <knome> i changed the whole LO upstream sentence
[12:16] <knome> ochosi, what about something on how people can help?
[12:16] <knome> or who to contact
[12:16] <ochosi> yeah, could do
[12:16] <knome> not that i expect wonders, but still
[12:16] <knome> who knows
[12:17] <knome> also ping ping pleia2: we would likely prefer to have this on the news :)
[12:17] <knome> ochosi, we haven't used tags for projects before, do you want to start doing that now?
[12:17] <knome> ochosi, see the sidebar for the tags we have now
[12:18] <ochosi> yeah, dunno, i just felt i could add some, haven't put too much thought into the tags yet tbh
[12:18] <knome> ok
[12:18] <ochosi> i guess 15.10 is an ok tag
[12:18] <ochosi> not sure about the others
[12:18] <knome> i left Artwork
[12:18] <ochosi> alright
[12:18] <knome> we have tags like Marketing and QA
[12:18] <knome> so it might be ok to tag posts with "interest groups"
[12:19] <ochosi> right
[12:19] <knome> or in other words, subteams
[12:20] <knome> another option (that requires code change) is to create new taxonomies
[12:20] <knome> "release" and "team"
[12:20] <knome> then start tagging like mad men
[12:20] <knome> (pun intended)
[12:22] <knome> but to make it clear, the code change is pretty trivial
[12:22] <knome> but *shrug*
[12:22] <ochosi> yeah
[12:23]  * ochosi shrugs too
[12:23] <ochosi> ok, added a brief contribute-section
[12:23] <knome> i'm somwhat dissatisfied with this now
[12:23] <ochosi> with what?
[12:23] <knome> the tag issue
[12:23] <ochosi> oh
[12:23] <knome> maybe i'll add at least the releases taxonomy
[12:24] <knome> with some extra features
[12:24] <knome> like release and EOL date fields
[12:24]  * ochosi poked the bear
[12:24] <knome> could then even use that to create the list for supported releases on "Help & Support"
[12:24] <knome> nah, i've been thinking this for a long time
[12:24] <knome> +about
[12:28] <ochosi> right
[12:28] <ochosi> in that case i guess it's a good thing i tagged without thinking :D
[12:29] <knome> bah
[12:29] <knome> :P
[12:54] <knome> ok, got to pick up some groceries, bbl
[12:58] <ochosi> ttyl
[20:46] <knome> ochosi, poke?
[20:47] <pleia2> today is trying to kill me, but I can probably find time tomorrow or tonight to look if still needed
[20:47] <knome> look at what?
[20:47] <knome> the article?
[20:47] <knome> i did that already, don't worry too much about that
[20:47] <pleia2> ok
[20:48] <knome> pleia2, more goodness incoming: http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/release/12-04/
[20:48] <pleia2> reminds me, should remove utopic from docs.x.o
[20:48] <knome> basically moving releases from tags to a "release" taxonomy
[20:48] <knome> with custom fields
[20:48] <knome> we can even build the "supported releases" list with this information
[20:48] <pleia2> tagging confounds me, good work
[20:49] <knome> so now we can use the tags for something else
[20:49] <knome> like
[20:49] <knome> this is what i do on my blog:
[20:49] <knome> all application names that are mentioned in the article -> tag
[20:49] <knome> all themes that are covered in the article -> tag
[20:50] <knome> also app names "Capitalized", themes "uncapitalized"
[20:50] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/?s=
[20:50] <knome> ^ makes most sense to me
[20:51] <pleia2> ok :)
[20:51] <knome> but we can do whatever we want
[20:51] <knome> mixing in releases there was the bad idea
[20:52] <knome> but since we didn't have this custom taxonomy...
[20:57] <ochosi> evening all
[20:58]  * ochosi pokes knome back
[20:58] <knome> ochosi, basically the url i posted to pleia
[20:58] <knome> +2
[20:58] <ochosi> pleia2: yeah, dont worry, just wanted another set of eyes
[20:58] <ochosi> knome: nice! i like it
[20:59] <knome> also see sidebar
[20:59] <knome> widget just arrived
[20:59] <ochosi> you mean the "object(stdClass)#296 (9) { ["term_id"]=> string(2) "25" ["name"]=> ..."
[20:59] <ochosi> ?
[20:59] <ochosi> :)
[20:59] <knome> refrehs :P
[20:59] <knome> refresh too
[20:59] <ochosi> nice
[20:59] <knome> so we can dump in the release codename, release and eol dates, and of course, a description
[21:00] <ochosi> sometimes i'm wondering whether we should use the per-release animal logos more
[21:00] <knome> so we can do a quick overview of the release if we want
[21:00] <ochosi> sounds lovely
[21:00] <knome> ..and then have a list of all articles linked to that release
[21:01] <ochosi> yeah
[21:01] <ochosi> so basically collecting all info of a single release in one (dynamic) place would be great
[21:01] <ochosi> incl links to docs for that release etc
[21:01] <knome> that's pretty much what i'm doing
[21:01] <knome> right...
[21:01] <knome> that's a different question, but yeah, it's doable
[21:02] <ochosi> yeah, i know, that could be the next step
[21:02] <ochosi> but let's go with the tagging mechanism you're working on there
[21:02] <knome> heh
[21:02] <ochosi> ;))
[21:03] <knome> well, as long as we name the release slugs in a standard way, we can resolve the docs link from there
[21:03] <knome> automatically, that is
[21:04] <knome> eg. the slug '15-04' can be easily converted to 'http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/'
[21:04] <knome> do i need to tell you how to do that? (:
[21:04] <ochosi> what me? do i need to resolve the links now?
[21:04] <knome> hah.
[21:05]  * knome slaps ochosi 
[21:06] <ochosi> ouch
[21:06]  * ochosi bleeds when people stab him
[21:06]  * ochosi feels pain when knome slaps him
[21:06] <knome> well good, that's the goal :P
[21:06] <knome> better example for archives http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/release/14-04/
[21:07] <ochosi> nice
[21:07] <ochosi> yeah, that really makes sense to group our articles by release
[21:07] <knome> definitely
[21:07] <knome> we're doing that already
[21:07] <knome> just with tags
[21:07] <ochosi> (i mean the release-tagged ones at least)
[21:07] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/14-04/
[21:08] <knome> but that isn't even close
[21:09] <knome> http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/release/14-04/
[21:09] <knome> updated that with a description from wikipedia
[21:09] <knome> >:)
[21:10] <ochosi> :D
[21:10] <knome> i wonder if it would be better if the description was first
[21:10] <knome> opinion?
[21:11] <knome> maybe it was better the other way
[21:12] <ochosi> yeah
[21:12] <ochosi> well
[21:12] <ochosi> hmm
[21:12] <knome> heh
[21:12] <ochosi> to some extent both make sense
[21:12] <knome> now this feels too top-heavy
[21:13] <knome> or bottom
[21:13] <ochosi> but the EOL is really important for releases
[21:13] <knome> depending how you look at it
[21:13] <ochosi> yeah
[21:13] <knome> one thing i've been pondering is how to show the eol status
[21:13] <knome> eg. if it's EOL, should the date be in red?
[21:13] <knome> or appended with some notice?
[21:13] <knome> or both?
[21:16] <ochosi> yeah
[21:16] <knome> yeah to what?
[21:16] <ochosi> definitely should be highlighted
[21:16] <knome> stupid
[21:16] <knome> :P
[21:16] <ochosi> :)
[21:16] <ochosi> btw, any more comments on the LO article or can i pubish as is?
[21:16] <knome> pubish?
[21:16] <knome> HUH.
[21:16] <knome> PLEASE
[21:16] <ochosi> or publish
[21:16] <knome> no pubes on the website
[21:16] <ochosi> you decide
[21:16]  * knome checks quickly
[21:17] <ochosi> after all, you're the fancy web lead
[21:17] <knome> oh, i'm now fancy?
[21:17] <ochosi> the web lead position is
[21:17] <ochosi> so you holding that position makes you fancy too, i guess
[21:18] <knome> i'm so flattered now, simon.
[21:18] <knome> anyway, i fixed a few pubish errors
[21:18] <ochosi> why am i not surprised?
[21:18] <knome> you're good to go now
[21:19] <ochosi> good good, i'm a go-er, ya know ;)
[21:19] <knome> yeah i do
[21:19] <knome> there's no doubt about it - your partner is pregnant
[21:20] <knome> heh @ wikipedia:
[21:20] <knome> There will also be a new version of Xubuntu "Core" starting from Xubuntu 15.10. Developers have speculated that it will fit in regular CDs.[citation needed]
[21:20] <knome> yeah...
[21:20] <knome> who has "speculated" with that?
[21:20] <knome> CONFESS!
[21:20] <ochosi> haha
[21:20] <ochosi> gotta love wikipedia
[21:21] <knome> now somebody will surely make a mention there that the developers do not care for their users because they only joke about their wikipedia edits
[21:22] <knome> especially that fancy web lead
[21:22] <ochosi> definitely
[21:22] <ochosi> and it's teh truth!
[21:22] <knome> citation: Pasi Lallinaho, Xubuntu Web Lead
[21:22] <knome> ^ obviously fake, we have no "Web Lead"
[21:23] <ochosi> who's that pasi guy?
[21:23] <knome> don't know
[21:23] <knome> but i've heard he's damn fancy
[21:24] <knome> and a go-er
[21:24] <knome> fwiw
[21:24] <ochosi> indeed, wears strange clothes, talks "the fancy talk" he himself invented and constantly references the pythons and m.a.numminen
[21:25] <knome> and sports a minimalist designer wallet, i've heard
[21:26] <knome> ochosi, i just checked our status tracker and saw you haven't scheduled our next meeting
[21:26] <knome> <:
[21:26] <ochosi> haha, yeah, had to publish that article first ;)
[21:26] <ochosi> but will do that now
[21:26] <knome> hard work, that
[21:26]  * ochosi schedules time for scheduling the next meeting
[21:26] <knome> pubishing :P
[21:27] <ochosi> yeah, i hear they build houses just for that!
[21:27] <knome> hah
[21:27] <knome> anyway
[21:27] <knome> something else i need to figure out
[21:27] <knome> is how to separate articles on the blog better
[21:27] <knome> it looks clunky now
[21:27] <knome> the problem is
[21:27] <knome> i've never really sorted that problem
[21:27] <knome> except by only showing one article at a time
[21:28] <knome> maybe it just needs more space in between
[21:28] <ochosi> humm
[21:28] <ochosi> right now there's so little space in between
[21:28] <knome> yeah
[21:28] <ochosi> i mean basically almost no visible separation at all
[21:28] <knome> i have a mixed group of updates for the theme incoming
[21:28] <knome> some from way back
[21:28] <knome> so, meh
[21:28] <knome> need to pull the strings together
[21:29] <knome> maybe i need to do the other things first
[21:29] <knome> then the release stuff
[21:29] <knome> that's fortunately still relatively easily kept separate
[21:29] <ochosi> right, take your time
[21:29] <ochosi> i'll meanwhile figure out a good meeting time
[21:29] <knome> i will, i just hate this process
[21:29] <ochosi> brb
[21:29] <knome> lol
[21:29] <knome> have fun scheduling
[22:00] <knome> huh, ok, worst bunch of work done and stuff in the repository
[22:30] <bluesabre> good evening al
[22:30] <bluesabre> l
[22:30] <bluesabre> and al and all
[22:30] <ochosi> hey al!
[22:30] <bluesabre> :D
[22:30] <ochosi> nice of you to stop by
[22:30] <bluesabre> heya ochosi
[22:30] <ochosi> looking forward to the burndown looking more optimistic after tonight ;D
[22:31] <bluesabre> or tomorrow night
[22:31] <bluesabre> going to work on it tonight though
[22:31] <bluesabre> but not feeling too great
[22:31] <ochosi> oh
[22:32] <ochosi> sorry to hear
[22:32] <ochosi> first day at work after holidays is rarely fun though
[22:32] <bluesabre> a few days out, and plenty to do when I get back :)
[22:33] <ochosi> yeah
[22:33] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[22:33] <bluesabre> hey knome
[22:34] <knome> ochosi, i think the burndown chart looks much better than a few days ago
[22:34] <knome> (pun intended and obvious)
[22:34] <bluesabre> xstatus is looking quite good
[22:35] <bluesabre> so does the burndown burn itself down as you complete tasks improving the actual burndown chart? :D
[22:36] <ochosi> knome: hehe, indeed
[23:27] <pleia2> looks like only G+ updated so far with new article?
[23:27] <pleia2> I'll do fb and twitter
[23:27] <knome> oh, ok
[23:27] <knome> :)
[23:28] <pleia2> knome: or you can do twitter if you want
[23:28]  * pleia2 writes words for fb
[23:28] <knome> can do that
[23:29] <knome> tweeted
[23:29] <pleia2> ty
[23:45] <krytarik> slickymaster, knome: This fixes all the current targets of the docs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/tMcOyxWCYEhyXy5oULhz/
[23:47] <knome> krytarik, erm, you sure that's done against the latest docs branch?
[23:48] <krytarik> Yep.
[23:48] <knome> oh pop
[23:48] <knome> *poop
[23:49] <knome> krytarik, please rediff
[23:50] <knome> krytarik, i just pushed your changes from last time
[23:50] <krytarik> Meh.
[23:52] <knome> well, you aren't willing to do MP's, so you'd better give us the diff in some other way we fancy it.
[23:53] <krytarik> knome: Thought you hadn't decided on that one yet though, and since it was all in a bunch...
[23:54] <knome> no, i just forgot to push it basically
[23:54] <krytarik> Alright then.
[23:55] <krytarik> Give me a min.
[23:55] <knome> MPs are nice because there's history and real commit log
[23:55] <knome> sure, i'm watching a dvd...
[23:55] <krytarik> lol