[11:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:57] <slashbel> good afternoon
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> so did you get supermacs when over?
[12:00] <czajkowski> nope
[12:00] <czajkowski> :(
[12:00] <czajkowski> did eat in jimmy chungs all you can eat buffet instead
[12:00] <czajkowski> and hung out at the trinity capital hotel
[12:00] <slashbel> like old times
[12:01] <czajkowski> yup :)
[12:01] <czajkowski> we did have 60 people at the first meet up which was great
[12:01] <czajkowski> and looking to go back again in september
[12:02] <slashbel> i'm actually going to be in Dublin in October
[12:02] <slashbel> there's a linux conference on, that work have suggested i go to
[12:04] <czajkowski> oh linux conf EU
[12:04] <czajkowski> yes it's a good one
[12:04] <czajkowski> I'll be in NYC :(
[12:04] <slashbel> aye, that's the one
[12:04] <slashbel> fortunately work are paying
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> but you'll be in ny!! :-)
[12:05] <slashbel> i thought your dog isn't allowing you to leave again?
[12:09] <czajkowski> he's very uspet :(
[12:09] <czajkowski> poor little doggy used to me being at home all day
[12:11] <slashbel> and he's thinking: "why did you punish me? have i been bad?"
[12:12] <czajkowski> :(
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> one of the joys of cats... oh you're back, there's a litter box there with your name on it...
[12:13] <czajkowski> heh
[12:14] <slashbel> that's because cats don't care about you
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> cats do care, they just are more aloof
[12:17] <slashbel> cats only care that you're there to feed them and provide warmth
[12:17] <slashbel> if you died, they would eat you
[12:17] <slashbel> whereas a dog would wait for you to wake up
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> that's cat's been practical.  they don't waste anything. very environmental.
[12:18]  * slashbel really hates cats
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> when a cat brings you a dead mouse it's showing concern that it thinks you can't hunt for yourself
[12:18]  * zmoylan-pi adores moggies of all sizes
[12:19] <slashbel> usually that mouse would not be dead
[12:19] <slashbel> often it is still alive just enough
[12:19] <czajkowski> slashbel: so on last weeks internal flight there was 1 dog and 1 cat on board
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> it's how cats teach their young.  seems cruel but it's merely their way of teaching
[12:19] <czajkowski> am getting better at keeping an eye out
[12:20] <czajkowski> seemingly on many internal EU flights you cna bring pets on board also
[12:20] <czajkowski> so somethjing to keep in mind
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> czajkowski you must do enough air miles that you could stand in to do the safety demonstration :-)
[12:20] <czajkowski> and they dont care if you're allergic or not. thye'll move you so you're not near them
[12:20] <slashbel> czajkowski: internal British/CTA flight?
[12:20] <czajkowski> CTA ?
[12:20] <slashbel> common travel area
[12:20] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: indeed, got given out to last week for not taking my headphones off
[12:20] <slashbel> UK, Ireland, Isle of Man etc
[12:20] <czajkowski> asked would it have changed since monday when I listneed to it twice
[12:21] <czajkowski> not sure htye were so keen on my sarcasim
[12:21] <czajkowski> slashbel: ah not sure exactly, seen it in france, rome and spain
[12:21] <slashbel> aye, when you mentioned it earlier i looked up airline rules
[12:22] <slashbel> it seems the budget carriers are best
[12:22] <slashbel> ryanair, easyjet, aer lingus, flybe do not allow pets in the cabin
[12:22] <czajkowski> cool so at least you know now
[12:22] <slashbel> luft hansa were the only one i could find that permit them
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> what about guide dogs?
[12:22] <czajkowski> allowed
[12:22] <czajkowski> in the plane
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> that doesn't make them not a dog...
[12:23] <slashbel> aye, thanks for warning me. it never occured to me that people would take cats in the cabin
[12:23] <slashbel> dogs are fine
[12:23] <slashbel> i am extremely allergic to cats
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> well i've heard a few stories of cats getting lose in the hold.  not a creature you want lose in the wiring...
[12:23] <czajkowski> slashbel: aye and many people are so the airline offers to move you far away from the seat
[12:23] <slashbel> as in, get me to a hospital when i'm around them for more than a couple of hours
[12:24] <slashbel> czajkowski: i bet they don't thoroughly clean the plane afterwards
[12:24] <slashbel> are the cats ever allowed out of their cages, do you know?
[12:24] <czajkowski> I've never seen any plane immaculate tbh
[12:24] <czajkowski> slashbel: nope never
[12:24] <zmoylan-pi> they could easily provide a cat carrier that would prevent hair getting onto the plane and irritating allergic people
[12:24] <slashbel> good, that fur will just get everywhere
[12:25] <slashbel> zmoylan-pi: it doesn't irritate me, it stops me breathing
[12:25] <slashbel> i have been hospitalised several times over it
[12:26] <slashbel> not something to require when you're airbourne
[12:26]  * zmoylan-pi is surrounded by cats, feral and land lords.  wouldn't be your cup of tea.  no mice or rats though
[12:26] <slashbel> and even if i don't need hospitalisation, it will take days for me to recover
[12:26] <slashbel> that's why i'm grateful to czajkowski's warning, i now check an airline's rule
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> don't they have a jabs you can give yourself if it ever flares up now?
[12:27] <slashbel> i have an asthma inhaler
[12:27] <czajkowski> slashbel: but no epi pen?
[12:27] <slashbel> it keeps me alive but it takes days to recover, and i'm a pretty fit person
[12:28] <slashbel> it's not anathalatic shock, it's asthma
[12:28] <slashbel> most asthma is allergy triggered, unfortunately for a lot of people it's an allergy to dust
[12:28] <slashbel> at least i can at most times keep cats away
[12:28] <slashbel> ebel is very helpful and will throw stones at cats for me
[12:28]  * zmoylan-pi hands slashbel a nerf pistol to deter cats...
[12:29] <slashbel> water gun is better, cats hate water
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> nerf make water pistols too
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> and some cats love water
[12:31] <slashbel> when we get settled someone, we will get a dog - ebel promised to train it to keep the cats away. horrible things
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> weirdly the best thing to keep cats away is another cat.  it seems illogical but my father who didn't like cats much got a cat to keep others away, then trained that one to stay away from him
[12:34] <czajkowski> so I am allergic and scared of cats
[12:34] <czajkowski> adn sure enough where ever I go
[12:34] <czajkowski> cats come to me first over someone who love cats
[12:34] <czajkowski> it's annoying
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> cats do seem to be attracted to people who can't abide cats.  have never worked that out
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> my sister in law is terrified of them.
[12:35] <slashbel> swinging my boot at them is usually effective
[12:36] <ebel> it'll be sooooo hard to train a dog to chase cats:P
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> it makes them stay out of your way, doesn't make them leave area.  cats are +10 stealth
[12:36] <slashbel> germans don't seem as big into cats
[12:36] <ebel> czajkowski: just shows. Cats are evil and will go for the weakest person they can sense
[12:37] <ebel> I saw a neighbour bringing their cat for a walk on a lead a while ago :P
[12:37] <slashbel> one of our neighbours has one, and takes it for a walk on a leash
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> germans do seem to be more dog people.  dogs are more logical perhaps to their way of thinking
[12:38] <slashbel> and it's more logical to have an animal who loves you
[12:38] <czajkowski> ebel: I ahve no problem in firing a shoe
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> cats do love you. just show it different
[12:39] <czajkowski> gits