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barrydkMorning everyone06:17
pieter2627morning barrydk and all others06:19
GnikLlortmorning06:20
inetprogood mornings06:33
inetpropieter2627: are you ready to chair the meeting this evening06:34
pieter2627uh, you are kidding right??06:35
pieter2627i thought you were chairing inetpro 06:37
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:38
inetpropieter2627: you have to try at some point :-)06:43
inetprohi ThatGraemeGuy06:43
pieter2627inetpro: yea probably, but why tell me the morning of it06:45
inetpropieter2627: haha, I'm not forcing you06:45
* inetpro will be there06:46
inetprojust trying to find a backup chair :-)06:46
pieter2627if we have an emergency then i'll chair, else i have an early call to be the next one's06:46
inetprosounds good to me thanks \o/06:51
pieter2627⁰\_06:52
Kilosmorning all07:19
GnikLlortmorning07:23
Kiloshi GnikLlort 07:24
GnikLlortsup :)07:24
Kiloswhy you have to get up so early?07:24
Kilostravelling?07:24
Kilostelegram is crashing my pidgin today for some stupid reason07:25
pieter2627morning oom Kilos 07:25
Kiloshi pietie07:25
GnikLlortIm a Security officer so I need to be nice and early :)07:26
Kiloslol07:26
Kilosbut thats a heavy hour07:26
Kilosthats when one sleep the best07:26
GnikLlortyep, from 6 to 607:26
Kiloswhew07:26
GnikLlort+ Im the Site Manager 07:27
Kiloscool07:27
GnikLlortSo I may not respond sometimes07:27
Kilosnp07:27
Kilospeeps here respond when they can07:27
Kilosonly i have time mostly07:28
pieter2627so Kilos, how many watches do you carry then :P07:29
Kiloslol07:29
Kilosonly pc and one wall clock and 2 cell phones07:30
Kilosand now laptop as well07:30
Kilossjoe no wonder im tired07:30
pieter2627sjoe oom has a lot of time on his hands07:31
Kiloslol ya07:31
mazalMorning everyone07:54
Kiloshi mazal 07:54
mazalHow goes ?07:54
Kiloskwaad07:54
Kilosevryone does stuff on github and i sukkel with it07:55
Kiloseven telegram peeps use it for fixes07:55
Kilosit crashes my pidgin07:55
Kilosgrrrr07:55
mazalI only use github to download updates , I don't know how it actually works07:56
Kiloseish it makes me mall07:56
Kilosyou try follow a simlar thread then need to login then that thread is missing07:56
mazalWhat's telegram ?07:57
Kiloslike whatsapp but better imo07:57
mazalpass07:57
mazalAnother privacy stealer07:57
Kilosand worked on pidgin till this morning07:57
Kilosman i talk to debs on her tablet with telegram so it must work07:59
Kilosgrrr07:59
Kilosthere is min they can steal from me07:59
mazalCan't help sorry , I only used pidgin for gtalk and that was long ago07:59
mazalAny hardware knowledgable guys around ?08:15
MaNItelegram at least lets you have a username thats not tied to your phone number08:16
MaNIbut yeah - just yet another messaging app basically08:17
MaNIas if having to worry about the other 20 ways people want to talk to me was not enough08:17
Kiloslol08:24
MaNIwhy can't everyone just use jabber 08:32
Kilosi dunno08:42
MaNIor if the cellphone operators stopped trying to rip people off that would probably also help, thats what started this mess of all these different cellphone clients I guess08:47
Kilosyeah08:52
Kilosaw i missed ryno08:53
* Kilos goes to catch some UV's08:54
pieter2627anyone here having probs with nedbank's online banking site?10:21
MaNInot had the misfortune of using it today yet10:25
GnikLlortfnb ftw10:26
pieter2627lol having the misfortune of try to use it for the first time10:27
Kiloslol10:27
MaNIit's a terrible site in general10:38
MaNIbut is there some specific problem you are having? :p10:38
MaNIfnb site used to be good then they decided it had to look like a tablet10:39
MaNInow basically we have no good banking sites at all10:39
MaNIor did they finally get over the tablet thing and put a proper site back again?10:39
pieter2627starting to think of more colorfull words to describe it since the issue is the most basic - login in10:41
MaNIahh10:42
MaNImaybe you have the problem I had10:42
MaNIthey have a *maximum* password length of 7 or something ridiculous10:42
* pieter2627 is just getting 'System currently unavailable. Please try again later.'10:42
MaNIif you put a password longer than that they silently truncate your password10:42
MaNIso then when you log in it thinks you have the wrong password10:42
MaNIbunch of clowns :/10:42
MaNII can log in and it seems to work FWIW10:43
pieter2627the thing was activated yesterday for a day session and the min length is 6 char - very ironic10:43
pieter2627guess i'll have to contact them10:44
MaNImeanwhile, not even a 30 digit randomly generated keepass password is good enough for FNB's password requirements to change my password10:45
MaNIweb developers who set overly restrictive password rules should be hung10:45
pieter2627haha, i can't believe that our banks seem to have idiots for devs10:46
MaNI30 digit password and you reject it because there are 2 consecutive chars in it10:47
MaNII mean seriously come on :(10:47
pieter2627standard bank one the other hand stores the customers details in dozens of tables - if one ever gets a new cell number then you have to contact each dep (and sub deps) to update the details10:48
MaNIheh10:49
superflyIn my experience the web developers begrudgingly do it because they have no choice10:49
superflypieter2627: yeah, I've had that too10:49
MaNII'm not sure whether absa or standard are the worst bank in the country10:49
MaNIthe competition is stiff10:49
superflyidiots disabled my credit card because of that10:49
superflyAbsa, by far10:49
superflyStdBank is actually starting to make moves10:50
pieter2627yip, their new sites is coming along10:50
pieter2627and then capitec has the ugliest site that actually works10:52
MaNIcapitecs site is good at what it does10:53
MaNII just don't like what it does10:53
MaNII mean its friendly for a certain userbase, but not very 'power user' friendly10:54
ThatGraemeGuyhow much power do you expect from the most basic bank in the country? :)10:55
MaNII don't really10:56
MaNIthats what I'm trying to say, they are good at what they do I'm just not in the target audience :p10:56
MaNIfnbs fake tablet abomination is a sort of middle ground attempt to be both at the same time and it sucks10:58
ThatGraemeGuymust say fnb's banking has treated me well, can't really complain11:00
ThatGraemeGuyI tend to do nearly everything on the app though11:00
superflyKilos: you're famous again, I see. 11:29
Kilosai!11:29
superflyKilos: becoming quite the celebrity. Better not let it get to your head. 11:29
Kiloslol11:29
Kilosno worry about that superfly head leaks too much11:30
superflyYa, but I'm scared it leaks your brain instead of your ego11:31
Kilosrofl11:31
Kilosno man you know me better than that11:31
superflyKilos: which is why I'm teasing you so11:38
Kiloslol thought so11:38
Kilosi sold my ego for booze money11:39
mazalAny pro's around ?12:14
mazalThatGraemeGuy , inetpro , superfly ?12:15
superflysortof, mazal12:16
mazalNeeds some info / advice12:16
superflymazal: OK12:17
mazalDo you guys know if ADATA makes good SSD's ? I have never bought one so don't know who is good and who is bad with it ?12:17
superflyI can't say I've really heard of ADATA12:21
mazalk12:21
ThatGraemeGuyeh?12:21
ThatGraemeGuyI don't know much about hardware stuffs, sorry12:21
mazalI'm slowly starting to concider it as my next purchase , an SSD12:22
superfly*consider12:22
superflyyeah, been thinking that myself12:22
ThatGraemeGuyan SSD is always a good upgrade to have12:22
ThatGraemeGuybut I don't know the makes really12:22
mazalBut I have no idea which make to go for12:22
mazalWas hoping you guys that already use it could help with advice12:23
ThatGraemeGuymy laptop has an ssd but it came with it, no research required :)12:24
mazalMy main supliers says he sells ADATA and didn't have single faulty one yet12:24
mazalBut with something like this I would like good performance as well as reliability 12:25
mazalAnything configuration wise I should now ? BIOS wise or OS wise. Or is install same as HDD ?12:26
ThatGraemeGuyjust install12:27
mazalk thanx12:27
ThatGraemeGuyi don't think you need to really care about performance in the desktop PC application12:27
ThatGraemeGuywhen you start running arrays of 32 of the things then it matters12:27
ThatGraemeGuythe slowest ssd you can find is SO MUCH faster than the fastest platter HDD, it really becomes irrelevant12:28
mazalok12:28
mazalThanx for the input12:28
superflyWhat ThatGraemeGuy said :-)12:29
mazalGonna start speaking with the minister of finance for one :P12:29
ThatGraemeGuyits easier to ask forgiveness than permission12:29
ThatGraemeGuy:-D12:29
mazallol12:30
mazaltrue that12:30
mazalFirst want to do my main desktop pc , and then later the server. Although I doubt it is worth it for my server12:30
mazalbye for now everyone12:38
mazalHave a nice afternoon12:38
SquirmPrime Circle is playing in CT on Friday for those interested13:15
ThatGraemeGuymeh13:28
ThatGraemeGuyJim Jefferies is at Grand Arena tonight though, woot!13:28
magespawngood day13:43
Kiloshi magespawn 13:43
Kilosmeeting tonight hey13:44
magespawnhi Kilos, yes i see so, also got the reminder13:45
inetproMaaz: coffee on13:56
* Maaz puts the kettle on13:56
inetproKilos: ^^13:56
Kilos-hi inetpro 13:56
Kilos-Maaz coffee please13:57
MaazKilos-: Righto13:57
Kilos-you home yet inetpro ?13:57
inetproMaNI: have you sorted your aluminum?13:57
inetproKilos: nope13:57
Kilos-all  batteries need charging13:57
inetproeish!13:58
Kilos-pe having no load shedding13:58
Kilos-haha13:58
magespawngotta go, see you later for the meeting13:58
Kilos-the eletrical staff on strike so noe one to shed peeps13:58
inetproKilos: don't  you have something small for me just to keep the router up for two hours? :-)13:58
Kilos-something small like what?13:59
* inetpro needs a small UPS 13:59
Kilos-they useless things man13:59
Kilos-give you only time to shutdown14:00
Kilos-dont routers use 12v14:00
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos-!14:00
inetprosurely there must be something that can last for two hours 14:00
Kilos-park your car close and run wires from battery14:00
inetproMaaz: thanks14:00
Maazinetpro: Okay :-)14:00
MaNIinetpro, well at this point they have admitted its not aluminium and taken it away14:00
Kilos-MaNI ty14:00
MaNII've yet to receive the actual aluminium though14:01
MaNII guess they are driving around like crazy trying to figure out who they gave it too14:01
Kilos-lol14:01
MaNImeanwhile my window of sunny weather is vanishing :(14:02
MaNIthough I'm anyway in such a mess since friday that I probably wouldn't have the time to install, two weeks time it is I suppose14:03
Kilos-is this for the solar panels14:04
MaNIthe aluminium, yeah14:04
Kilos-i missed some of the discussion14:04
MaNIto mount the panels on14:04
Kilos-ok14:04
MaNIthey delivered it last week but they soemhow managed to give me mild steel instead14:05
Kilos-so how come no one said what power routers use14:05
Kilos-eeeek14:05
Kilos-cant they see the diffs14:05
MaNIrouters as in networking or the wood working ones?14:05
Kilos-networkig14:06
MaNIdepends on the router14:06
MaNIbetween 3v-12v usually14:06
Kilos-oh14:06
Kilos-12v would be good to just run wires from car battery14:06
inetproKilos: Power: 10w, AC Input: 100V-240V  50/60Hz, DC Output: 5V 2A14:07
Kilos-ouch14:07
inetproouch?14:07
Kilos-one could tap that from lappy usb maybe14:07
Kilos-2 amps will flatten lappy battery fast14:08
inetproKilos: there's a USB port but not for power14:08
Kilos-for 3g14:08
inetprono, I can actually use it for a shared drive on the local network14:09
Kilos-ask MaNI to build a circuit with a 5v zener diode in then you can run it from car battey14:09
Kilos-aha14:09
MaNIhehe14:10
Kilos-lappies got lota ports all over14:10
Kilos-i have no idea what half of them are for14:10
Kilos-but same hassles with battery 10.8 v im sure they do that so peeps dont use car batteries14:12
Cryterionevening Kilos15:51
kulelu88does anybody know how I can prevent strain on my hand, as I constantly need to use the ctrl+c , ctrl+v keys and my keyboard has them very far apart16:33
Cryterionuse the other ctrl key with your other hand16:39
kulelu88that affects workflow, as I need that hand for the mouse17:20
kulelu88maybe if I map the keys to use tab+ qw17:21
MaNIare you using some non qwerty layout or something?17:21
kulelu88nope, it's qwerty, but ctrl on the left is far from c+c17:21
kulelu88c+v17:21
kulelu88caps lock may work also17:22
MaNIis your keyboard a weird shape or something?17:22
MaNIon most normal keyboards they are within 3 keys of each other :/17:22
kulelu88maybe it's my typing style. which finger do you use for ctrl on the left?17:23
MaNIleft pinky17:23
kulelu88doesn't that strain the pinky for you?17:23
MaNInope, though maybe my hands have evolved for it, lol17:24
kulelu88I use copy/paste alot, which may be the reason why it is straining. do any of you use dovrak keyboards?17:26
superflyyay! I have Internet at home again!17:41
Kilosw0000t superfly thats good news17:45
Kilosinetpro  are you being successful with preparing to drive the chair17:46
kulelu88oh it's meeting time tonight?17:47
Kilosqahi17:50
Kilosai!17:50
Kiloshi Cryterion 18:00
Cryterionhi Kilos18:00
Kiloswe worried inetpro is load shedding18:00
* inetpro will join you shortly18:01
Kilosw0000t18:01
Trixar_zaJoin what? Oo18:01
Trixar_zaThe orgy?18:01
Kiloshi Trixar_za 18:02
Trixar_zaHi Kilos :P18:02
Kiloshe trying to overcome loadshedding so he can chair18:02
pieter2627my source says 'no loadshedding in progress'18:02
Kilosyay18:03
Kilosthen he is still in family time18:03
inetprono loadshedding here 18:03
pieter2627Maaz: start meeting18:04
Maazpieter2627: I'm not your bitch18:04
pieter2627inetpro: see maaz ^^^18:05
Kiloshaha18:05
* pieter2627 has his hands tied18:05
Kilospro will fix it pieter2627 18:07
Trixar_zaPeppermint updated. I need to get it18:07
Trixar_zaUsing Mint's Nemo File Manger instead of PCManFM18:08
Kilosyou gave up with that funny os18:08
Trixar_zaSliTaz? Not really. I just want to go my own direction.18:08
Kilosah18:08
Trixar_zaAlso it's easier to build off an Ubuntu fork18:08
Trixar_za:P18:08
Kiloshaha18:09
Kiloseverything works better18:09
Trixar_zaFor my own little OS, I'd probably try to use pacman from Arch though18:09
Trixar_zaThey tend to build their packages to be self-contained and using the minimal amount of requirements. That's better for a micro-linux than the bloat that comes with Debian or Ubuntu these days.18:10
Kilosya things have got big and heavy18:11
Kilosbut working without having to fix things is better for me18:11
Kilosso what if its a bit slow18:12
stickyboyrm loadshedding18:12
inetpropieter2627: we will have to talk to cocooncrash to fix the permissions 18:12
Trixar_zaNot really slow, just unneeded18:12
Kilosah18:12
pieter2627inetpro: oky18:12
Trixar_zaIf I wanted Windows, I would use Windows. They really should stop trying to block the running of exe files on Linux - it's just dumb. Upstart, while great, is also bloat - especially if you make it an requirement with almost every damn package.18:13
Kilosoh isnt that dropping18:14
Kiloswith mir or something18:14
pieter2627upstart has been replaced with systemd18:14
Kilosoh that ya18:15
stickyboysystemd == winning18:16
stickyboyhttps://mjanja.ch/2015/06/replacing-cron-jobs-with-systemd-timers/18:16
inetprook, let me settle down on my pc18:17
inetproMaaz: help meeting18:17
Maazinetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:18:17
Maaz  (start | end) meeting [about <title>]18:17
Maaz  I am <True Name>18:17
Maaz  topic <topic>18:17
Maaz  (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>18:17
Maaz  minutes so far18:17
Maaz  meeting title is <title>18:17
Trixar_zaI am Your Master18:17
Trixar_za>.>18:17
* Kilos hopes wwk makes it tonight18:18
Kilosnother one of flys ideas to discus with him18:18
Kilosinetpro  how do i stop that little popup thing where you can enter commands i think18:19
Kilosit is forever popping up on lappy18:19
Kilosmaybe im touching some trigger key18:19
inetpropopup?18:19
Kilosya man a little window that shows at top of screen18:20
inetprothat says what?18:20
Kilosand all of a sardine you typing there not in pidgin anymore18:20
Kilosi dunno18:20
Kilosyou got me to get it working here18:21
kulelu88you may be entering desktop search18:21
inetprohmm...18:21
Kilosbut on lappy it sucks18:21
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Kilosi have no idea how to activate it but on lappy it is always opening on its own18:22
Kiloshi Guest92255 18:22
Kiloswhat happened rusty18:22
Guest92255hi18:22
Guest92255I am still so unsure how it all works18:23
cocooncrash_inetpro: What do you need?18:23
=== cocooncrash_ is now known as cocooncrash
Guest92255I will just peep18:23
Kiloshi cocooncrash 18:23
inetprococooncrash: hi sir... nice to see you here for a change18:23
cocooncrash:-)18:23
Kilosjust watch rusty but login when bot starts meeting 18:24
inetprococooncrash: meeting permissions for pieter2627 please18:24
Kilosand feel free to give comments and ideas Guest92255 18:24
cocooncrashMaaz: grant chairmeeting to pieter2627 when authed18:24
Maazcocooncrash: I don't know who pieter2627 is18:24
Guest92255Kilos -  I dont even know how to log-in - sorry18:24
Kilosyou will see Guest92255 18:25
cocooncrashpieter2627: Say "create account" to Maaz please18:25
Kiloshi williamk 18:25
pieter2627Maaz: create account18:25
Maazpieter2627: Done18:25
Kiloshi kapanda 18:25
cocooncrashMaaz: grant chairmeeting to pieter2627 when authed18:25
Maazcocooncrash: Sure18:25
williamkHi Kilos, all18:25
kulelu88Maaz: sudo rm -rf ./18:25
Maazkulelu88: What?18:25
inetpropieter2627: see, now you have no more choice :-)18:26
inetprothanks cocooncrash18:26
kapandaHi Kilos18:26
cocooncrashnp18:26
Kilosthank you cocooncrash 18:26
inetproKilos: see who is ready for the next meeting?18:27
Kilosall good there?18:27
Guest92255Maaz: create account18:27
MaazGuest92255: Sure18:27
Guest92255rusty18:27
kapandaHi all am new to this but have been using Ubuntu for quit a while now.18:28
pieter2627thanks inetpro and cocooncrash 18:28
kapandawhats the agenda18:28
Kiloshttp://bit.ly/1BKJavq18:29
Kiloskapanda  welcome to ubuntu-za18:29
inetproMaaz: start meeting18:29
* Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles18:29
kulelu88kapanda: are you kapanda from the JoziLUG?18:29
KilosMaaz  I am Miles Sharpe18:30
MaazKilos: Okay18:30
inetproMaaz: I am Gustav H Meyer18:30
Maazinetpro: Okay18:30
kapandaYes18:30
inetproMaaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction18:30
MaazCurrent Topic: Welcoming and Introduction18:30
KilosGuest92255  like that18:30
kapanda@ Kulelu8818:30
inetprogood evenig everyone, thanks for joining us18:30
Guest92255Maaz:  I am Rusty Beukes18:30
MaazGuest92255: Sure18:30
Kiloshi inetpro thanks for making it18:30
inetproplease introduce yourself to Maaz so he can take the minutes18:30
kulelu88Maaz: I am kulelu88 18:31
Maazkulelu88: Okay18:31
williamkMaaz: I am William Kinghorn18:31
Maazwilliamk: Righto18:31
inetproas seen above simply start with "Maaz: I am <firstName lastName>"18:31
pieter2627Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht18:32
Maazpieter2627: Sure18:32
Guest92255Kilos:  thanx18:32
KilosCryterion  ^^18:32
Kilosbot sign in time18:33
MaazKilos: *blink*18:33
Kilosai!18:33
inetprowho is here for the first time?18:33
inetproraise your hand o/18:33
Kilosstickyboy  you may join you know18:34
Kiloshi raywan you in time18:34
raywanKilos: tell me :)18:34
inetproour agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2015072818:34
Kiloshi Langjan 18:34
LangjanHi Kilos 18:35
Kilosraywan  sign in with the bot please and you oom Langjan 18:35
LangjanHows the meeting going?18:35
inetproplease feel free to suggest any last minute topic for discussion18:35
Kilosjust signing in still18:35
Kilosinetpro  me me18:35
LangjanHoe doen ek dit nou weer asb?18:35
Kilos   maaz I am full name18:36
MaazKilos: Sure18:36
inetproLangjan: simply start with "Maaz: I am <firstName lastName>"18:36
Kilosai!18:36
raywanMaaz: I am Raymond Wanyoike18:36
Maazraywan: Yessir18:36
Kilosnet so Langjan ^^18:36
LangjanMaaz I am Jan Greeff18:36
MaazLangjan: Alrighty18:36
inetproobviously without the <>18:36
Kiloswell done18:36
inetprook, everyone has signed?18:36
kulelu88Maaz: I am Your Daddy18:37
Maazkulelu88: Alrighty18:37
inetprolet's move on then18:37
superflyMaaz: I am Raoul Snyman18:37
Maazsuperfly: Alrighty18:37
inetproMaaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting18:37
MaazCurrent Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting18:37
LangjanKilos,  I just popped in to say the junk is out the window, great guns and thks to you and kulelu88 18:37
kulelu88np Langjan :)18:38
inetprominutes for our previous meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2015062318:38
KilosLangjan  we happy to have helped18:38
LangjanYou're champs, have a great meeting tonight and congrats on all you'r e doing18:38
inetprooom Langjan: great to see others standing up to help \o/18:39
Kilosty Langjan you keep well there18:39
inetprothanks for joining to exress your gratitude18:39
inetproexpress*18:40
LangjanMy privilege inetpro 18:40
CryterionMaaz: I am Gavin Bauer                                                                                                                                                               18:40
MaazCryterion: Righto18:40
Cryterionsorry, fighting with my server Kilos18:40
Kilosnp Cryterion 18:41
LangjanGo well geeks, I'll leave you to it18:41
inetprogood night Langjan18:41
Kiloslekker slaap oom18:42
kulelu88ping MaNI 18:42
Trixar_zaOh old is Langjan that Kilos calls him "oom"?18:42
Trixar_zahow*18:42
LangjanDankie julle, ek is bly Kilos  kan darem nou ook vir iemand se oom 18:42
inetproanyone have anything to raise from last the meeting? If not I will move on in a minute or so18:42
Kilosnear 10 years older than me18:42
Kiloshaha18:43
Kilos8 years 2 months18:43
LangjanHey you're exaggerating, its only 9 trs and 2 months if I recall?18:43
LangjanOh 818:43
Kiloswe the ballies here18:43
Langjanand 2 mths18:44
inetproMaaz: topic Events18:44
MaazCurrent Topic: Events18:44
inetprothings have been rather quiet18:45
inetproagain18:45
Kilosyeah18:45
inetproapart from Kilos keeping things rolling :-)18:45
pieter2627yip18:45
inetproKilos: thanks for all the efforts18:45
inetprotomorrow we have our first meeting at #ubuntu-africa18:46
Kilosmy pleassure inetpro and all of ubuntu-za18:46
Kilospleasure18:46
raywaninetpro: what time18:46
inetproraywan: same time as this evening... 20:30 SAST18:46
Cryterionjust 24hrs later18:47
raywaninetpro: noted18:47
inetproKilos: sorry from my side for being so quiet here... been rather busy at work18:47
Kilosnp inetpro life takes over18:47
kulelu88https://za.pycon.org/ PyCon 2015 has been announced. Happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits. 18:47
stickyboypycon za, w00t.18:48
Kiloshi grem18:48
Kilosai!18:48
stickyboyCongrats. 18:48
stickyboyKilos and I are going to learn Python.18:48
Kiloshehe18:48
* pieter2627 rofl18:48
inetprostickyboy: great! :-)18:49
stickyboyinetpro: :P18:49
kulelu88There is a Ruby bootcamp happening also.18:49
kulelu88looking for details18:49
inetprostickyboy: when do you plan to write the exam?18:49
stickyboyinetpro: February. :D18:50
stickyboyGotta quit my day job :P18:50
Kilosoh my18:50
Kiloswb gremble 18:50
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Kiloswb MaNL 18:51
Kilossome peeps got bad interwebs tonight18:51
inetproMaaz: accepted Events: PyConZA 2015 happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits https://za.pycon.org/18:52
MaazAccepted: Events: PyConZA 2015 happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits https://za.pycon.org/18:52
inetprooops... I skipped "Plans for 2015"18:53
inetproplease follow the links in the Agenda for those and let's keep those actions rolling18:53
inetproany other events?18:54
kulelu88I can't think of any18:54
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grembleSup18:55
Kilosyou can sign in for this meeting gremble 18:55
grembleOh snap. 18:55
grembleMaaz I am Jaco Stroebel18:56
Maazgremble: Righto18:56
kapanda_How about iweek cape town in September 18:56
inetprohmm... andrewlsd not here this evening?18:57
Kilosnope he been missing for a while now18:57
* inetpro wondering about the Khayelitsha installfest activities18:58
inetproanyone joined the discussion group at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/kifest ?18:58
pieter2627nope18:59
inetprome neither18:59
Kiloskapanda_  whats the iweek18:59
kapanda_http://www.iweek.org.za/19:00
kapanda_Does the link help19:01
pieter2627reminds me of myBroadbands conf19:02
kapanda_Mostly to deal with ISP19:02
kapanda_Yes 19:02
inetprokapanda_: that looks like an old link19:02
kapanda_They is one this year19:03
inetprokapanda_: when is it?19:03
pieter26277-11 sept19:03
inetproah19:04
Kilossomeone should go wake up the ISP's19:05
* inetpro wondering whether we'll see anything there from the open source side of the fence19:05
kapanda_I found a foundation there last year called Coza Care. they claim to be the first to install Ubuntu in schools 19:05
inetproat least we know the SFD (http://www.sfd.org.za/) event is coming up soon as well19:05
inetproSFD planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station19:05
inetprokapanda_: interesting19:06
grembleIt's a shame they couldnt get a nicer venue. Hopefully there will be interesting talks. You guys planning on hosting one of them install parties?19:06
inetprogremble: you mean at the iweek event?19:07
grembleSFD19:07
inetprogremble: hmm... I guess it can be arranged, anyone willing to stand up for that?19:08
grembleI'll be there so I wouldn't mind helping out with you guys. I was the Arch person last year, but I am fairly sure I can play for both teams ;)19:09
kulelu88install parties should be more for beginners now. SFD is already for people using open source19:09
inetprokulelu88: I agree, those topics are quite advanced these days19:10
inetprobut that doesn't mean we can not try to catch a few newbies19:10
Kiloswell said19:10
grembleThe talk topics? Yes. A shit-load of containerisation talks haha19:10
kulelu88link to it? 19:11
Kiloshttp://www.sfd.org.za/19:12
grembleTo the talks? I don't have a link, but in 2013 there was quite a few and 2014 was practically dominated by it. 19:12
inetproMaaz: agreed SFD is planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station... details to emerge at http://www.sfd.org.za/19:12
MaazAgreed: SFD is planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station... details to emerge at http://www.sfd.org.za/19:12
* inetpro seen Karl Fisher talking with speakers already19:13
gremble:D19:13
inetprogremble: you one of them?19:13
grembleNope.19:13
grembleMaybe next year19:13
inetprook, shall we move on...19:14
Kilosyip19:14
Kilostime running low19:14
inetproMaaz: topic Miscellaneous19:15
MaazCurrent Topic: Miscellaneous19:15
kapanda_I will be in Cape town during that time so what ever is planned I am kin 19:15
inetprothe floor is yours for about 10 minutes19:15
inetproKilos: ^^19:16
Kilosoh19:16
Kilosi asked williamk if we could work a plan on gettings the lugs and us more involved19:16
Kilostogether i mean19:16
Kilosmaybe we can work out better ways to work together to promote foss and ubuntu19:17
Kiloswould be nice to approach all the za lugs so we can all team up19:17
CryterionKilos williamk does the Durban lug?19:18
Kilosyes19:18
Kiloshe is here19:18
Kiloswilliamk  ^^19:18
CryterionSee that, just need to wait for him19:18
Kiloshe is not an irc man but with luck we can hook him here19:19
pieter2627with how many lugs do we have contact with?19:19
Cryterioncan only wait and hope19:19
Kiloshe is very busy but maybe a ping will wake him19:19
Kiloswilliamk  ping19:20
Kiloshehe19:20
CryterionI'll try19:20
inetproKilos: I guess will have this type of a discussion tomorrow as well?19:20
Kilosthere is jozilug and glug19:20
magespawngood evening19:20
magespawnsorry for the tardiness19:20
Kiloshi magespawn you in time to sign in19:20
Cryterionyour grounded19:20
Cryterionlol19:20
kulelu88that is not how you ping on the interwebz19:21
Kilosok kulelu88 you do it19:21
inetpromagespawn: no problem, just sign the attendance register please19:21
kulelu88williamk: ping19:21
williamkKilos I am working on it, need to find a location to have training sessions and meetings19:21
kulelu88williamk: ping19:21
kulelu88williamk: ping19:21
kulelu88williamk: ping19:21
kulelu88v19:21
kulelu88williamk: ping19:21
Kilosi did a ctcp ping once here and got jumped on19:21
magespawnMaaz I am Greg Eames19:21
Maazmagespawn: Okay19:21
inetprothanks :-)19:21
kulelu88when in doubt, contact jozihub 19:22
Kiloswilliamk  have you any ideas how we can team up19:22
Kiloswilliamk  i mean to get ubuntu and lugs to work together and help each other19:22
inetproKilos: you are the master of teaming up with others19:22
Kilosai!19:23
williamkKilos, we can talk about how we can do that19:23
Kiloslug peeps normally shun me19:23
Kilosthat would be good ty williamk 19:23
pieter2627kilos has lost his shambok19:23
inetprobut he don't give up easily19:23
* Cryterion gives kilos a new shambok19:24
Kiloswilliamk  dont forget Cryterion wants to chat to you as well19:24
Kiloshehe19:24
CryterionWhen he gets the chance19:24
Kiloshibana stole my last one19:24
inetprook guys... I guess we can keep talking even after the meeting... time running out now19:24
KilosCryterion  you gotta catch him in weak moments19:24
inetproMaaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting19:24
MaazCurrent Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting19:24
CryterionKilos, will keep trying19:25
Kilospro to arrange19:25
inetproany volunteers or suggestions?19:25
pieter2627o/19:25
Kiloswe have pro and backup man pieter2627 19:25
* inetpro votes for pieter262719:25
Kilosyou game pieter2627 ?19:25
pieter2627yes19:25
* Kilos seconds19:25
* Cryterion votes Kilos19:26
Kilosnono19:26
Cryterionwhy not?19:26
inetpronice! Others please feel free to suggest others or confirm your vote for pieter2627 with +119:26
Kilosgreeter bots forget meeting commands19:26
Kilospieter2627  +119:26
* Cryterion votes pieter262719:27
Cryterionthere's your 2 inetpro19:27
Kilosyou gotta +1 19:27
inetproKilos: unfortunately Maaz doesn't count votes19:27
Kilosoh my19:27
Kiloswell you can inetpro 19:27
inetpro:-P19:27
Kiloshehe19:27
CryterionReprogram Maaz to count :)19:28
inetpropieter2627: agreed pieter2627 to chair our next meeting19:28
inetprooops19:28
kapanda_I am not sure about my vote but i will go for the majority 19:28
inetproMaaz: agreed pieter2627 to chair our next meeting19:28
MaazAgreed: pieter2627 to chair our next meeting19:28
Kilosgood luck pietie19:28
inetproMaaz: topic Next meeting19:29
MaazCurrent Topic: Next meeting19:29
pieter2627haha thanks guys19:29
Kilosdont forget tomorrow night meeting in #ubuntu-africa19:29
inetproMaaz: agreed next meeting happening on Tuesday, 25 August 2015 at 20:3019:29
MaazAgreed: next meeting happening on Tuesday, 25 August 2015 at 20:3019:29
Kiloswilliamk  ty for joining us we can discuss more via email19:30
kapanda_guy have heard of http://osssa.org.za/19:30
Kiloswould be nice if your whole lug joined ours19:30
inetprothanks everyone19:30
inetproMaaz: end meeting19:30
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Kilosty for chairing inetpro 19:30
kulelu88I didn't even know durban had tech things 19:30
Kilosthey got lots of stuff19:31
pieter2627night all19:31
Kilosthey got a ballie thats restore thousands of pcs for shipping to africa19:31
Cryterionnight pieter19:31
Kilosnight pieter2627 ty19:31
* inetpro steps off the hot seat19:31
Cryterionkulelu88 are you in dbn?19:31
inetpropieter2627: thanks for your willingness to take the next one19:32
Kiloshaha inetpro age catching up on you19:32
kulelu88with this kak weather, I wish I was19:32
Cryterionlol, gets cold here, don't worry19:32
inetproKilos: no, just struggling to find time here19:32
Kilosim sure there are linux users in all the centres that dont know about lugs and us19:33
Cryterionyip19:33
Kilosya time becomes shorter daily19:33
williamkKilos who has got a ballie thats restore thousands of pcs for shipping to africa19:33
Kilossomehow we need to attract the loners19:33
Kilossomewhere in durbs19:34
Kilosi saw it in a lug mail i think19:34
Kilosin a pc shop i think19:34
Kilosmaybe a german guy19:35
Guest92255Kilos - I'm in Margate and know one one near here using Linux19:35
Kilosthere must be Guest92255 19:35
Guest92255wish someone were here19:35
Kilosin every city and village19:35
Kilosask around at pc shops to start with19:36
Guest92255have asked around in Hibiscus Coast - but no one 19:36
Guest92255have done that - they dont know of any19:37
williamkGuest92255 there is a guy in Pennington19:37
Kiloslook at all companies that hav good IT guys19:37
Guest92255know of a name in Pennington? i could contact him19:37
CryterionThere's also me in Park Rynie, I work in that area19:37
Kilossee19:38
Guest92255How could I make contact - Cryterion?19:38
Kiloshere19:38
Kiloswe always here19:38
Guest92255OK19:38
* Kilos loves irs19:38
Kilosirc19:38
Kiloswilliamk  can you give them info on how to contact the guy in pennington please19:39
Kilosand/or get him here too19:40
Kiloswe need to form a strong united front19:40
williamkhe is a mate, Duncan ( Anderson Networks 082 690 3130 )19:41
Kiloscool ty williamk 19:41
Cryterionwilliamk, we tried to register for the google groups durban lug, my app got denied 45mins later :(19:41
KilosGuest92255  ^^19:41
CryterionI/we **19:41
Guest92255Wish there were a register or something such to help with contacts19:41
Guest92255Thnx for the contact in Pennington, Williamk19:42
superfly*most* shared hosting things include mailman, and any half-decent plan starts at about R20 per month19:43
williamkgoto http://durbanlinux.org.za/ then click on Mail List tab, then "Please join our Google Group"19:43
superflyas SubOracle19:43
superfly*ask19:43
Kilosyou know williamk you work all the time for the cause, maybe you should think about becoming an official ubuntu member19:45
Cryterioneasier to do it straight from Firefox Join request for dbnlug [{EMC3360FE7EyQm3LTXg0}]19:45
KilosGuest92255  have you joined our mailing list yet19:46
Kilosand on launchpad19:46
Kiloslol i battled with joing the dbnlug list as well, vince0 ended up doing it for me19:47
Guest92255Kilos:  which Mailing list you refering to?19:48
Kilosdbnlug one on g+19:48
Kilosoh19:48
Kilosno our one man19:49
Cryterionubuntu-africa@lists.launchpad.net that one19:49
Cryterionno not that one19:49
Kilosubuntu-za19:50
Kilosi can never find that addy'19:50
* Cryterion wonders if he's in the ZA one19:50
Kilosoh my19:50
Kilosive been slipping up19:50
Cryterionkilos probably something like ubuntu-za@lists.launchpad.net19:51
Kilosno19:51
Cryterionok, based that on the africa one19:51
Kiloslists.ubuntu.com or something with za in somewhere19:51
KilosCryterion  is a lp list19:52
Kilosai africa is on an lp list19:52
Kiloswait ill find it19:52
Kiloshttps://ubuntu-za.org19:53
Kilosin there somewhere19:53
Cryteriondirect from site ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com19:53
Kilosafter join us19:53
Guest92255j19:53
Kilosya that19:53
Kilosanyone not joined yet , please do19:53
Guest92255I will check and join - bye now'19:54
KilosGuest92255  you can also ask in the lists for more linux peeps down there19:54
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Kilosthere are many there who dont come here19:54
Guest92255will do need to go 19:54
Kiloswell done ty inetpro 19:54
Cryterionkilos, subscription waiting approval19:55
Kilosok go well19:55
KilosCryterion  where?19:55
CryterionThe za mail list19:56
Kilosoh my19:56
Kilosi thought that auto approved19:56
Kilosgimme the link lemme see19:56
Cryterionnvm, got the email to confirm19:57
Kilosyay19:57
inetprogood night everyone19:57
Cryteriondidn't realise it worked that way :)19:58
Kilosnight inetpro 19:58
Kilossleep well19:58
williamkCryterion I will be visiting Duncan sometime, We can possibly meet19:58
Kilosty 19:58
Cryterionwilliamk I'm in Park Rynie during weekdays, which is just up the road from pennington, so just let me know when so I can arrange a gap at work20:01
kulelu88is it still flooding in durban? 20:04
Kilosonly towards australia side20:05
Kilosafter you cross the beach sand 20:05
Kilosthen big flood water20:05
williamkCryterion it is generraly on the weekends, or when I am on leave for weekdays20:06
Cryterionwilliamk I there generally during weekdays, stay up in durban, but could always drive down over a weekend20:08
williamkCryterion I will contact you , what is your e-mail20:11
Cryteriongavin@anmarbaking.co.za / 071207999620:12
williamkCryterion thanks20:13
grembleGood meeting. Night guys :P20:15
Cryterionanyway, looks like I'm being chased to climb into bed :), thanks williamk, hope to meet up with you guys soon20:15
Kilosnight gremble 20:16
Kilossleep warm20:16
Kilosnight Cryterion you too20:17
williamkOk all, good night20:17
Cryterionnight everyone20:18
Kilosnight williamk ty for coming20:18
Kiloskeep well20:18
magespawngood night21:00
superflynight folks21:02

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