[06:17] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:19] <pieter2627> morning barrydk and all others
[06:20] <GnikLlort> morning
[06:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:34] <inetpro> pieter2627: are you ready to chair the meeting this evening
[06:35] <pieter2627> uh, you are kidding right??
[06:37] <pieter2627> i thought you were chairing inetpro 
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:43] <inetpro> pieter2627: you have to try at some point :-)
[06:43] <inetpro> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:45] <pieter2627> inetpro: yea probably, but why tell me the morning of it
[06:45] <inetpro> pieter2627: haha, I'm not forcing you
[06:46]  * inetpro will be there
[06:46] <inetpro> just trying to find a backup chair :-)
[06:46] <pieter2627> if we have an emergency then i'll chair, else i have an early call to be the next one's
[06:51] <inetpro> sounds good to me thanks \o/
[06:52] <pieter2627> ⁰\_
[07:19] <Kilos> morning all
[07:23] <GnikLlort> morning
[07:24] <Kilos> hi GnikLlort 
[07:24] <GnikLlort> sup :)
[07:24] <Kilos> why you have to get up so early?
[07:24] <Kilos> travelling?
[07:25] <Kilos> telegram is crashing my pidgin today for some stupid reason
[07:25] <pieter2627> morning oom Kilos 
[07:25] <Kilos> hi pietie
[07:26] <GnikLlort> Im a Security officer so I need to be nice and early :)
[07:26] <Kilos> lol
[07:26] <Kilos> but thats a heavy hour
[07:26] <Kilos> thats when one sleep the best
[07:26] <GnikLlort> yep, from 6 to 6
[07:26] <Kilos> whew
[07:27] <GnikLlort> + Im the Site Manager 
[07:27] <Kilos> cool
[07:27] <GnikLlort> So I may not respond sometimes
[07:27] <Kilos> np
[07:27] <Kilos> peeps here respond when they can
[07:28] <Kilos> only i have time mostly
[07:29] <pieter2627> so Kilos, how many watches do you carry then :P
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <Kilos> only pc and one wall clock and 2 cell phones
[07:30] <Kilos> and now laptop as well
[07:30] <Kilos> sjoe no wonder im tired
[07:31] <pieter2627> sjoe oom has a lot of time on his hands
[07:31] <Kilos> lol ya
[07:54] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:54] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:54] <mazal> How goes ?
[07:54] <Kilos> kwaad
[07:55] <Kilos> evryone does stuff on github and i sukkel with it
[07:55] <Kilos> even telegram peeps use it for fixes
[07:55] <Kilos> it crashes my pidgin
[07:55] <Kilos> grrrr
[07:56] <mazal> I only use github to download updates , I don't know how it actually works
[07:56] <Kilos> eish it makes me mall
[07:56] <Kilos> you try follow a simlar thread then need to login then that thread is missing
[07:57] <mazal> What's telegram ?
[07:57] <Kilos> like whatsapp but better imo
[07:57] <mazal> pass
[07:57] <mazal> Another privacy stealer
[07:57] <Kilos> and worked on pidgin till this morning
[07:59] <Kilos> man i talk to debs on her tablet with telegram so it must work
[07:59] <Kilos> grrr
[07:59] <Kilos> there is min they can steal from me
[07:59] <mazal> Can't help sorry , I only used pidgin for gtalk and that was long ago
[08:15] <mazal> Any hardware knowledgable guys around ?
[08:16] <MaNI> telegram at least lets you have a username thats not tied to your phone number
[08:17] <MaNI> but yeah - just yet another messaging app basically
[08:17] <MaNI> as if having to worry about the other 20 ways people want to talk to me was not enough
[08:24] <Kilos> lol
[08:32] <MaNI> why can't everyone just use jabber 
[08:42] <Kilos> i dunno
[08:47] <MaNI> or if the cellphone operators stopped trying to rip people off that would probably also help, thats what started this mess of all these different cellphone clients I guess
[08:52] <Kilos> yeah
[08:53] <Kilos> aw i missed ryno
[08:54]  * Kilos goes to catch some UV's
[10:21] <pieter2627> anyone here having probs with nedbank's online banking site?
[10:25] <MaNI> not had the misfortune of using it today yet
[10:26] <GnikLlort> fnb ftw
[10:27] <pieter2627> lol having the misfortune of try to use it for the first time
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <MaNI> it's a terrible site in general
[10:38] <MaNI> but is there some specific problem you are having? :p
[10:39] <MaNI> fnb site used to be good then they decided it had to look like a tablet
[10:39] <MaNI> now basically we have no good banking sites at all
[10:39] <MaNI> or did they finally get over the tablet thing and put a proper site back again?
[10:41] <pieter2627> starting to think of more colorfull words to describe it since the issue is the most basic - login in
[10:42] <MaNI> ahh
[10:42] <MaNI> maybe you have the problem I had
[10:42] <MaNI> they have a *maximum* password length of 7 or something ridiculous
[10:42]  * pieter2627 is just getting 'System currently unavailable. Please try again later.'
[10:42] <MaNI> if you put a password longer than that they silently truncate your password
[10:42] <MaNI> so then when you log in it thinks you have the wrong password
[10:42] <MaNI> bunch of clowns :/
[10:43] <MaNI> I can log in and it seems to work FWIW
[10:43] <pieter2627> the thing was activated yesterday for a day session and the min length is 6 char - very ironic
[10:44] <pieter2627> guess i'll have to contact them
[10:45] <MaNI> meanwhile, not even a 30 digit randomly generated keepass password is good enough for FNB's password requirements to change my password
[10:45] <MaNI> web developers who set overly restrictive password rules should be hung
[10:46] <pieter2627> haha, i can't believe that our banks seem to have idiots for devs
[10:47] <MaNI> 30 digit password and you reject it because there are 2 consecutive chars in it
[10:47] <MaNI> I mean seriously come on :(
[10:48] <pieter2627> standard bank one the other hand stores the customers details in dozens of tables - if one ever gets a new cell number then you have to contact each dep (and sub deps) to update the details
[10:49] <MaNI> heh
[10:49] <superfly> In my experience the web developers begrudgingly do it because they have no choice
[10:49] <superfly> pieter2627: yeah, I've had that too
[10:49] <MaNI> I'm not sure whether absa or standard are the worst bank in the country
[10:49] <MaNI> the competition is stiff
[10:49] <superfly> idiots disabled my credit card because of that
[10:49] <superfly> Absa, by far
[10:50] <superfly> StdBank is actually starting to make moves
[10:50] <pieter2627> yip, their new sites is coming along
[10:52] <pieter2627> and then capitec has the ugliest site that actually works
[10:53] <MaNI> capitecs site is good at what it does
[10:53] <MaNI> I just don't like what it does
[10:54] <MaNI> I mean its friendly for a certain userbase, but not very 'power user' friendly
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> how much power do you expect from the most basic bank in the country? :)
[10:56] <MaNI> I don't really
[10:56] <MaNI> thats what I'm trying to say, they are good at what they do I'm just not in the target audience :p
[10:58] <MaNI> fnbs fake tablet abomination is a sort of middle ground attempt to be both at the same time and it sucks
[11:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> must say fnb's banking has treated me well, can't really complain
[11:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> I tend to do nearly everything on the app though
[11:29] <superfly> Kilos: you're famous again, I see. 
[11:29] <Kilos> ai!
[11:29] <superfly> Kilos: becoming quite the celebrity. Better not let it get to your head. 
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:30] <Kilos> no worry about that superfly head leaks too much
[11:31] <superfly> Ya, but I'm scared it leaks your brain instead of your ego
[11:31] <Kilos> rofl
[11:31] <Kilos> no man you know me better than that
[11:38] <superfly> Kilos: which is why I'm teasing you so
[11:38] <Kilos> lol thought so
[11:39] <Kilos> i sold my ego for booze money
[12:14] <mazal> Any pro's around ?
[12:15] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy , inetpro , superfly ?
[12:16] <superfly> sortof, mazal
[12:16] <mazal> Needs some info / advice
[12:17] <superfly> mazal: OK
[12:17] <mazal> Do you guys know if ADATA makes good SSD's ? I have never bought one so don't know who is good and who is bad with it ?
[12:21] <superfly> I can't say I've really heard of ADATA
[12:21] <mazal> k
[12:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[12:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't know much about hardware stuffs, sorry
[12:22] <mazal> I'm slowly starting to concider it as my next purchase , an SSD
[12:22] <superfly> *consider
[12:22] <superfly> yeah, been thinking that myself
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> an SSD is always a good upgrade to have
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but I don't know the makes really
[12:22] <mazal> But I have no idea which make to go for
[12:23] <mazal> Was hoping you guys that already use it could help with advice
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> my laptop has an ssd but it came with it, no research required :)
[12:24] <mazal> My main supliers says he sells ADATA and didn't have single faulty one yet
[12:25] <mazal> But with something like this I would like good performance as well as reliability 
[12:26] <mazal> Anything configuration wise I should now ? BIOS wise or OS wise. Or is install same as HDD ?
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> just install
[12:27] <mazal> k thanx
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't think you need to really care about performance in the desktop PC application
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> when you start running arrays of 32 of the things then it matters
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> the slowest ssd you can find is SO MUCH faster than the fastest platter HDD, it really becomes irrelevant
[12:28] <mazal> ok
[12:28] <mazal> Thanx for the input
[12:29] <superfly> What ThatGraemeGuy said :-)
[12:29] <mazal> Gonna start speaking with the minister of finance for one :P
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> its easier to ask forgiveness than permission
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[12:30] <mazal> lol
[12:30] <mazal> true that
[12:30] <mazal> First want to do my main desktop pc , and then later the server. Although I doubt it is worth it for my server
[12:38] <mazal> bye for now everyone
[12:38] <mazal> Have a nice afternoon
[13:15] <Squirm> Prime Circle is playing in CT on Friday for those interested
[13:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[13:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> Jim Jefferies is at Grand Arena tonight though, woot!
[13:43] <magespawn> good day
[13:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:44] <Kilos> meeting tonight hey
[13:45] <magespawn> hi Kilos, yes i see so, also got the reminder
[13:56] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[13:56] <Kilos-> hi inetpro 
[13:57] <Kilos-> Maaz coffee please
[13:57] <Maaz> Kilos-: Righto
[13:57] <Kilos-> you home yet inetpro ?
[13:57] <inetpro> MaNI: have you sorted your aluminum?
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[13:57] <Kilos-> all  batteries need charging
[13:58] <inetpro> eish!
[13:58] <Kilos-> pe having no load shedding
[13:58] <Kilos-> haha
[13:58] <magespawn> gotta go, see you later for the meeting
[13:58] <Kilos-> the eletrical staff on strike so noe one to shed peeps
[13:58] <inetpro> Kilos: don't  you have something small for me just to keep the router up for two hours? :-)
[13:59] <Kilos-> something small like what?
[13:59]  * inetpro needs a small UPS 
[13:59] <Kilos-> they useless things man
[14:00] <Kilos-> give you only time to shutdown
[14:00] <Kilos-> dont routers use 12v
[14:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos-!
[14:00] <inetpro> surely there must be something that can last for two hours 
[14:00] <Kilos-> park your car close and run wires from battery
[14:00] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[14:00] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[14:00] <MaNI> inetpro, well at this point they have admitted its not aluminium and taken it away
[14:00] <Kilos-> MaNI ty
[14:01] <MaNI> I've yet to receive the actual aluminium though
[14:01] <MaNI> I guess they are driving around like crazy trying to figure out who they gave it too
[14:01] <Kilos-> lol
[14:02] <MaNI> meanwhile my window of sunny weather is vanishing :(
[14:03] <MaNI> though I'm anyway in such a mess since friday that I probably wouldn't have the time to install, two weeks time it is I suppose
[14:04] <Kilos-> is this for the solar panels
[14:04] <MaNI> the aluminium, yeah
[14:04] <Kilos-> i missed some of the discussion
[14:04] <MaNI> to mount the panels on
[14:04] <Kilos-> ok
[14:05] <MaNI> they delivered it last week but they soemhow managed to give me mild steel instead
[14:05] <Kilos-> so how come no one said what power routers use
[14:05] <Kilos-> eeeek
[14:05] <Kilos-> cant they see the diffs
[14:05] <MaNI> routers as in networking or the wood working ones?
[14:06] <Kilos-> networkig
[14:06] <MaNI> depends on the router
[14:06] <MaNI> between 3v-12v usually
[14:06] <Kilos-> oh
[14:06] <Kilos-> 12v would be good to just run wires from car battery
[14:07] <inetpro> Kilos: Power: 10w, AC Input: 100V-240V  50/60Hz, DC Output: 5V 2A
[14:07] <Kilos-> ouch
[14:07] <inetpro> ouch?
[14:07] <Kilos-> one could tap that from lappy usb maybe
[14:08] <Kilos-> 2 amps will flatten lappy battery fast
[14:08] <inetpro> Kilos: there's a USB port but not for power
[14:08] <Kilos-> for 3g
[14:09] <inetpro> no, I can actually use it for a shared drive on the local network
[14:09] <Kilos-> ask MaNI to build a circuit with a 5v zener diode in then you can run it from car battey
[14:09] <Kilos-> aha
[14:10] <MaNI> hehe
[14:10] <Kilos-> lappies got lota ports all over
[14:10] <Kilos-> i have no idea what half of them are for
[14:12] <Kilos-> but same hassles with battery 10.8 v im sure they do that so peeps dont use car batteries
[15:51] <Cryterion> evening Kilos
[16:33] <kulelu88> does anybody know how I can prevent strain on my hand, as I constantly need to use the ctrl+c , ctrl+v keys and my keyboard has them very far apart
[16:39] <Cryterion> use the other ctrl key with your other hand
[17:20] <kulelu88> that affects workflow, as I need that hand for the mouse
[17:21] <kulelu88> maybe if I map the keys to use tab+ qw
[17:21] <MaNI> are you using some non qwerty layout or something?
[17:21] <kulelu88> nope, it's qwerty, but ctrl on the left is far from c+c
[17:21] <kulelu88> c+v
[17:22] <kulelu88> caps lock may work also
[17:22] <MaNI> is your keyboard a weird shape or something?
[17:22] <MaNI> on most normal keyboards they are within 3 keys of each other :/
[17:23] <kulelu88> maybe it's my typing style. which finger do you use for ctrl on the left?
[17:23] <MaNI> left pinky
[17:23] <kulelu88> doesn't that strain the pinky for you?
[17:24] <MaNI> nope, though maybe my hands have evolved for it, lol
[17:26] <kulelu88> I use copy/paste alot, which may be the reason why it is straining. do any of you use dovrak keyboards?
[17:41] <superfly> yay! I have Internet at home again!
[17:45] <Kilos> w0000t superfly thats good news
[17:46] <Kilos> inetpro  are you being successful with preparing to drive the chair
[17:47] <kulelu88> oh it's meeting time tonight?
[17:50] <Kilos> qahi
[17:50] <Kilos> ai!
[18:00] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[18:00] <Cryterion> hi Kilos
[18:00] <Kilos> we worried inetpro is load shedding
[18:01]  * inetpro will join you shortly
[18:01] <Kilos> w0000t
[18:01] <Trixar_za> Join what? Oo
[18:01] <Trixar_za> The orgy?
[18:02] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[18:02] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos :P
[18:02] <Kilos> he trying to overcome loadshedding so he can chair
[18:02] <pieter2627> my source says 'no loadshedding in progress'
[18:03] <Kilos> yay
[18:03] <Kilos> then he is still in family time
[18:03] <inetpro> no loadshedding here 
[18:04] <pieter2627> Maaz: start meeting
[18:04] <Maaz> pieter2627: I'm not your bitch
[18:05] <pieter2627> inetpro: see maaz ^^^
[18:05] <Kilos> haha
[18:05]  * pieter2627 has his hands tied
[18:07] <Kilos> pro will fix it pieter2627 
[18:07] <Trixar_za> Peppermint updated. I need to get it
[18:08] <Trixar_za> Using Mint's Nemo File Manger instead of PCManFM
[18:08] <Kilos> you gave up with that funny os
[18:08] <Trixar_za> SliTaz? Not really. I just want to go my own direction.
[18:08] <Kilos> ah
[18:08] <Trixar_za> Also it's easier to build off an Ubuntu fork
[18:08] <Trixar_za> :P
[18:09] <Kilos> haha
[18:09] <Kilos> everything works better
[18:09] <Trixar_za> For my own little OS, I'd probably try to use pacman from Arch though
[18:10] <Trixar_za> They tend to build their packages to be self-contained and using the minimal amount of requirements. That's better for a micro-linux than the bloat that comes with Debian or Ubuntu these days.
[18:11] <Kilos> ya things have got big and heavy
[18:11] <Kilos> but working without having to fix things is better for me
[18:12] <Kilos> so what if its a bit slow
[18:12] <stickyboy> rm loadshedding
[18:12] <inetpro> pieter2627: we will have to talk to cocooncrash to fix the permissions 
[18:12] <Trixar_za> Not really slow, just unneeded
[18:12] <Kilos> ah
[18:12] <pieter2627> inetpro: oky
[18:13] <Trixar_za> If I wanted Windows, I would use Windows. They really should stop trying to block the running of exe files on Linux - it's just dumb. Upstart, while great, is also bloat - especially if you make it an requirement with almost every damn package.
[18:14] <Kilos> oh isnt that dropping
[18:14] <Kilos> with mir or something
[18:14] <pieter2627> upstart has been replaced with systemd
[18:15] <Kilos> oh that ya
[18:16] <stickyboy> systemd == winning
[18:16] <stickyboy> https://mjanja.ch/2015/06/replacing-cron-jobs-with-systemd-timers/
[18:17] <inetpro> ok, let me settle down on my pc
[18:17] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[18:17] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:17] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:17] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:17] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:17] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:17] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:17] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:17] <Trixar_za> I am Your Master
[18:17] <Trixar_za> >.>
[18:18]  * Kilos hopes wwk makes it tonight
[18:18] <Kilos> nother one of flys ideas to discus with him
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro  how do i stop that little popup thing where you can enter commands i think
[18:19] <Kilos> it is forever popping up on lappy
[18:19] <Kilos> maybe im touching some trigger key
[18:19] <inetpro> popup?
[18:20] <Kilos> ya man a little window that shows at top of screen
[18:20] <inetpro> that says what?
[18:20] <Kilos> and all of a sardine you typing there not in pidgin anymore
[18:20] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:21] <Kilos> you got me to get it working here
[18:21] <kulelu88> you may be entering desktop search
[18:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:21] <Kilos> but on lappy it sucks
[18:22] <Kilos> i have no idea how to activate it but on lappy it is always opening on its own
[18:22] <Kilos> hi Guest92255 
[18:22] <Kilos> what happened rusty
[18:22] <Guest92255> hi
[18:23] <Guest92255> I am still so unsure how it all works
[18:23] <cocooncrash_> inetpro: What do you need?
[18:23] <Guest92255> I will just peep
[18:23] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash 
[18:23] <inetpro> cocooncrash: hi sir... nice to see you here for a change
[18:23] <cocooncrash> :-)
[18:24] <Kilos> just watch rusty but login when bot starts meeting 
[18:24] <inetpro> cocooncrash: meeting permissions for pieter2627 please
[18:24] <Kilos> and feel free to give comments and ideas Guest92255 
[18:24] <cocooncrash> Maaz: grant chairmeeting to pieter2627 when authed
[18:24] <Maaz> cocooncrash: I don't know who pieter2627 is
[18:24] <Guest92255> Kilos -  I dont even know how to log-in - sorry
[18:25] <Kilos> you will see Guest92255 
[18:25] <cocooncrash> pieter2627: Say "create account" to Maaz please
[18:25] <Kilos> hi williamk 
[18:25] <pieter2627> Maaz: create account
[18:25] <Maaz> pieter2627: Done
[18:25] <Kilos> hi kapanda 
[18:25] <cocooncrash> Maaz: grant chairmeeting to pieter2627 when authed
[18:25] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Sure
[18:25] <williamk> Hi Kilos, all
[18:25] <kulelu88> Maaz: sudo rm -rf ./
[18:25] <Maaz> kulelu88: What?
[18:26] <inetpro> pieter2627: see, now you have no more choice :-)
[18:26] <inetpro> thanks cocooncrash
[18:26] <kapanda> Hi Kilos
[18:26] <cocooncrash> np
[18:26] <Kilos> thank you cocooncrash 
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: see who is ready for the next meeting?
[18:27] <Kilos> all good there?
[18:27] <Guest92255> Maaz: create account
[18:27] <Maaz> Guest92255: Sure
[18:27] <Guest92255> rusty
[18:28] <kapanda> Hi all am new to this but have been using Ubuntu for quit a while now.
[18:28] <pieter2627> thanks inetpro and cocooncrash 
[18:28] <kapanda> whats the agenda
[18:29] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1BKJavq
[18:29] <Kilos> kapanda  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:29] <inetpro> Maaz: start meeting
[18:29]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:29] <kulelu88> kapanda: are you kapanda from the JoziLUG?
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:30] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:30] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[18:30] <kapanda> Yes
[18:30] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Kilos> Guest92255  like that
[18:30] <kapanda> @ Kulelu88
[18:30] <inetpro> good evenig everyone, thanks for joining us
[18:30] <Guest92255> Maaz:  I am Rusty Beukes
[18:30] <Maaz> Guest92255: Sure
[18:30] <Kilos> hi inetpro thanks for making it
[18:30] <inetpro> please introduce yourself to Maaz so he can take the minutes
[18:31] <kulelu88> Maaz: I am kulelu88 
[18:31] <Maaz> kulelu88: Okay
[18:31] <williamk> Maaz: I am William Kinghorn
[18:31] <Maaz> williamk: Righto
[18:31] <inetpro> as seen above simply start with "Maaz: I am <firstName lastName>"
[18:32] <pieter2627> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:32] <Maaz> pieter2627: Sure
[18:32] <Guest92255> Kilos:  thanx
[18:32] <Kilos> Cryterion  ^^
[18:33] <Kilos> bot sign in time
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[18:33] <Kilos> ai!
[18:33] <inetpro> who is here for the first time?
[18:33] <inetpro> raise your hand o/
[18:34] <Kilos> stickyboy  you may join you know
[18:34] <Kilos> hi raywan you in time
[18:34] <raywan> Kilos: tell me :)
[18:34] <inetpro> our agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150728
[18:34] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[18:35] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[18:35] <Kilos> raywan  sign in with the bot please and you oom Langjan 
[18:35] <Langjan> Hows the meeting going?
[18:35] <inetpro> please feel free to suggest any last minute topic for discussion
[18:35] <Kilos> just signing in still
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro  me me
[18:35] <Langjan> Hoe doen ek dit nou weer asb?
[18:36] <Kilos>    maaz I am full name
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:36] <inetpro> Langjan: simply start with "Maaz: I am <firstName lastName>"
[18:36] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <raywan> Maaz: I am Raymond Wanyoike
[18:36] <Maaz> raywan: Yessir
[18:36] <Kilos> net so Langjan ^^
[18:36] <Langjan> Maaz I am Jan Greeff
[18:36] <Maaz> Langjan: Alrighty
[18:36] <inetpro> obviously without the <>
[18:36] <Kilos> well done
[18:36] <inetpro> ok, everyone has signed?
[18:37] <kulelu88> Maaz: I am Your Daddy
[18:37] <Maaz> kulelu88: Alrighty
[18:37] <inetpro> let's move on then
[18:37] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:37] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:37] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:37] <Langjan> Kilos,  I just popped in to say the junk is out the window, great guns and thks to you and kulelu88 
[18:38] <kulelu88> np Langjan :)
[18:38] <inetpro> minutes for our previous meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150623
[18:38] <Kilos> Langjan  we happy to have helped
[18:38] <Langjan> You're champs, have a great meeting tonight and congrats on all you'r e doing
[18:39] <inetpro> oom Langjan: great to see others standing up to help \o/
[18:39] <Kilos> ty Langjan you keep well there
[18:39] <inetpro> thanks for joining to exress your gratitude
[18:40] <inetpro> express*
[18:40] <Langjan> My privilege inetpro 
[18:40] <Cryterion> Maaz: I am Gavin Bauer                                                                                                                                                               
[18:40] <Maaz> Cryterion: Righto
[18:40] <Cryterion> sorry, fighting with my server Kilos
[18:41] <Kilos> np Cryterion 
[18:41] <Langjan> Go well geeks, I'll leave you to it
[18:41] <inetpro> good night Langjan
[18:42] <Kilos> lekker slaap oom
[18:42] <kulelu88> ping MaNI 
[18:42] <Trixar_za> Oh old is Langjan that Kilos calls him "oom"?
[18:42] <Trixar_za> how*
[18:42] <Langjan> Dankie julle, ek is bly Kilos  kan darem nou ook vir iemand se oom 
[18:42] <inetpro> anyone have anything to raise from last the meeting? If not I will move on in a minute or so
[18:42] <Kilos> near 10 years older than me
[18:43] <Kilos> haha
[18:43] <Kilos> 8 years 2 months
[18:43] <Langjan> Hey you're exaggerating, its only 9 trs and 2 months if I recall?
[18:43] <Langjan> Oh 8
[18:43] <Kilos> we the ballies here
[18:44] <Langjan> and 2 mths
[18:44] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Events
[18:44] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:45] <inetpro> things have been rather quiet
[18:45] <inetpro> again
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah
[18:45] <inetpro> apart from Kilos keeping things rolling :-)
[18:45] <pieter2627> yip
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks for all the efforts
[18:46] <inetpro> tomorrow we have our first meeting at #ubuntu-africa
[18:46] <Kilos> my pleassure inetpro and all of ubuntu-za
[18:46] <Kilos> pleasure
[18:46] <raywan> inetpro: what time
[18:46] <inetpro> raywan: same time as this evening... 20:30 SAST
[18:47] <Cryterion> just 24hrs later
[18:47] <raywan> inetpro: noted
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry from my side for being so quiet here... been rather busy at work
[18:47] <Kilos> np inetpro life takes over
[18:47] <kulelu88> https://za.pycon.org/ PyCon 2015 has been announced. Happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits. 
[18:48] <stickyboy> pycon za, w00t.
[18:48] <Kilos> hi grem
[18:48] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <stickyboy> Congrats. 
[18:48] <stickyboy> Kilos and I are going to learn Python.
[18:48] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48]  * pieter2627 rofl
[18:49] <inetpro> stickyboy: great! :-)
[18:49] <stickyboy> inetpro: :P
[18:49] <kulelu88> There is a Ruby bootcamp happening also.
[18:49] <kulelu88> looking for details
[18:49] <inetpro> stickyboy: when do you plan to write the exam?
[18:50] <stickyboy> inetpro: February. :D
[18:50] <stickyboy> Gotta quit my day job :P
[18:50] <Kilos> oh my
[18:50] <Kilos> wb gremble 
[18:51] <Kilos> wb MaNL 
[18:51] <Kilos> some peeps got bad interwebs tonight
[18:52] <inetpro> Maaz: accepted Events: PyConZA 2015 happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits https://za.pycon.org/
[18:52] <Maaz> Accepted: Events: PyConZA 2015 happening in October in Johannesburg/Milpark/Wits https://za.pycon.org/
[18:53] <inetpro> oops... I skipped "Plans for 2015"
[18:53] <inetpro> please follow the links in the Agenda for those and let's keep those actions rolling
[18:54] <inetpro> any other events?
[18:54] <kulelu88> I can't think of any
[18:55] <gremble> Sup
[18:55] <Kilos> you can sign in for this meeting gremble 
[18:55] <gremble> Oh snap. 
[18:56] <gremble> Maaz I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:56] <Maaz> gremble: Righto
[18:56] <kapanda_> How about iweek cape town in September 
[18:57] <inetpro> hmm... andrewlsd not here this evening?
[18:57] <Kilos> nope he been missing for a while now
[18:58]  * inetpro wondering about the Khayelitsha installfest activities
[18:58] <inetpro> anyone joined the discussion group at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/kifest ?
[18:59] <pieter2627> nope
[18:59] <inetpro> me neither
[18:59] <Kilos> kapanda_  whats the iweek
[19:00] <kapanda_> http://www.iweek.org.za/
[19:01] <kapanda_> Does the link help
[19:02] <pieter2627> reminds me of myBroadbands conf
[19:02] <kapanda_> Mostly to deal with ISP
[19:02] <kapanda_> Yes 
[19:02] <inetpro> kapanda_: that looks like an old link
[19:03] <kapanda_> They is one this year
[19:03] <inetpro> kapanda_: when is it?
[19:03] <pieter2627> 7-11 sept
[19:04] <inetpro> ah
[19:05] <Kilos> someone should go wake up the ISP's
[19:05]  * inetpro wondering whether we'll see anything there from the open source side of the fence
[19:05] <kapanda_> I found a foundation there last year called Coza Care. they claim to be the first to install Ubuntu in schools 
[19:05] <inetpro> at least we know the SFD (http://www.sfd.org.za/) event is coming up soon as well
[19:05] <inetpro> SFD planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station
[19:06] <inetpro> kapanda_: interesting
[19:06] <gremble> It's a shame they couldnt get a nicer venue. Hopefully there will be interesting talks. You guys planning on hosting one of them install parties?
[19:07] <inetpro> gremble: you mean at the iweek event?
[19:07] <gremble> SFD
[19:08] <inetpro> gremble: hmm... I guess it can be arranged, anyone willing to stand up for that?
[19:09] <gremble> I'll be there so I wouldn't mind helping out with you guys. I was the Arch person last year, but I am fairly sure I can play for both teams ;)
[19:09] <kulelu88> install parties should be more for beginners now. SFD is already for people using open source
[19:10] <inetpro> kulelu88: I agree, those topics are quite advanced these days
[19:10] <inetpro> but that doesn't mean we can not try to catch a few newbies
[19:10] <Kilos> well said
[19:10] <gremble> The talk topics? Yes. A shit-load of containerisation talks haha
[19:11] <kulelu88> link to it? 
[19:12] <Kilos> http://www.sfd.org.za/
[19:12] <gremble> To the talks? I don't have a link, but in 2013 there was quite a few and 2014 was practically dominated by it. 
[19:12] <inetpro> Maaz: agreed SFD is planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station... details to emerge at http://www.sfd.org.za/
[19:12] <Maaz> Agreed: SFD is planned for 19 September 2015 at the Station Lounge, Pretoria Gautrain Station... details to emerge at http://www.sfd.org.za/
[19:13]  * inetpro seen Karl Fisher talking with speakers already
[19:13] <gremble> :D
[19:13] <inetpro> gremble: you one of them?
[19:13] <gremble> Nope.
[19:13] <gremble> Maybe next year
[19:14] <inetpro> ok, shall we move on...
[19:14] <Kilos> yip
[19:14] <Kilos> time running low
[19:15] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:15] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:15] <kapanda_> I will be in Cape town during that time so what ever is planned I am kin 
[19:15] <inetpro> the floor is yours for about 10 minutes
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[19:16] <Kilos> oh
[19:16] <Kilos> i asked williamk if we could work a plan on gettings the lugs and us more involved
[19:16] <Kilos> together i mean
[19:17] <Kilos> maybe we can work out better ways to work together to promote foss and ubuntu
[19:17] <Kilos> would be nice to approach all the za lugs so we can all team up
[19:18] <Cryterion> Kilos williamk does the Durban lug?
[19:18] <Kilos> yes
[19:18] <Kilos> he is here
[19:18] <Kilos> williamk  ^^
[19:18] <Cryterion> See that, just need to wait for him
[19:19] <Kilos> he is not an irc man but with luck we can hook him here
[19:19] <pieter2627> with how many lugs do we have contact with?
[19:19] <Cryterion> can only wait and hope
[19:19] <Kilos> he is very busy but maybe a ping will wake him
[19:20] <Kilos> williamk  ping
[19:20] <Kilos> hehe
[19:20] <Cryterion> I'll try
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess will have this type of a discussion tomorrow as well?
[19:20] <Kilos> there is jozilug and glug
[19:20] <magespawn> good evening
[19:20] <magespawn> sorry for the tardiness
[19:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn you in time to sign in
[19:20] <Cryterion> your grounded
[19:20] <Cryterion> lol
[19:21] <kulelu88> that is not how you ping on the interwebz
[19:21] <Kilos> ok kulelu88 you do it
[19:21] <inetpro> magespawn: no problem, just sign the attendance register please
[19:21] <kulelu88> williamk: ping
[19:21] <williamk> Kilos I am working on it, need to find a location to have training sessions and meetings
[19:21] <kulelu88> williamk: ping
[19:21] <kulelu88> williamk: ping
[19:21] <kulelu88> williamk: ping
[19:21] <kulelu88> v
[19:21] <kulelu88> williamk: ping
[19:21] <Kilos> i did a ctcp ping once here and got jumped on
[19:21] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[19:21] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[19:21] <inetpro> thanks :-)
[19:22] <kulelu88> when in doubt, contact jozihub 
[19:22] <Kilos> williamk  have you any ideas how we can team up
[19:22] <Kilos> williamk  i mean to get ubuntu and lugs to work together and help each other
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: you are the master of teaming up with others
[19:23] <Kilos> ai!
[19:23] <williamk> Kilos, we can talk about how we can do that
[19:23] <Kilos> lug peeps normally shun me
[19:23] <Kilos> that would be good ty williamk 
[19:23] <pieter2627> kilos has lost his shambok
[19:23] <inetpro> but he don't give up easily
[19:24]  * Cryterion gives kilos a new shambok
[19:24] <Kilos> williamk  dont forget Cryterion wants to chat to you as well
[19:24] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24] <Cryterion> When he gets the chance
[19:24] <Kilos> hibana stole my last one
[19:24] <inetpro> ok guys... I guess we can keep talking even after the meeting... time running out now
[19:24] <Kilos> Cryterion  you gotta catch him in weak moments
[19:24] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:25] <Cryterion> Kilos, will keep trying
[19:25] <Kilos> pro to arrange
[19:25] <inetpro> any volunteers or suggestions?
[19:25] <pieter2627> o/
[19:25] <Kilos> we have pro and backup man pieter2627 
[19:25]  * inetpro votes for pieter2627
[19:25] <Kilos> you game pieter2627 ?
[19:25] <pieter2627> yes
[19:25]  * Kilos seconds
[19:26]  * Cryterion votes Kilos
[19:26] <Kilos> nono
[19:26] <Cryterion> why not?
[19:26] <inetpro> nice! Others please feel free to suggest others or confirm your vote for pieter2627 with +1
[19:26] <Kilos> greeter bots forget meeting commands
[19:26] <Kilos> pieter2627  +1
[19:27]  * Cryterion votes pieter2627
[19:27] <Cryterion> there's your 2 inetpro
[19:27] <Kilos> you gotta +1 
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately Maaz doesn't count votes
[19:27] <Kilos> oh my
[19:27] <Kilos> well you can inetpro 
[19:27] <inetpro> :-P
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe
[19:28] <Cryterion> Reprogram Maaz to count :)
[19:28] <inetpro> pieter2627: agreed pieter2627 to chair our next meeting
[19:28] <inetpro> oops
[19:28] <kapanda_> I am not sure about my vote but i will go for the majority 
[19:28] <inetpro> Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to chair our next meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Agreed: pieter2627 to chair our next meeting
[19:28] <Kilos> good luck pietie
[19:29] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:29] <pieter2627> haha thanks guys
[19:29] <Kilos> dont forget tomorrow night meeting in #ubuntu-africa
[19:29] <inetpro> Maaz: agreed next meeting happening on Tuesday, 25 August 2015 at 20:30
[19:29] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting happening on Tuesday, 25 August 2015 at 20:30
[19:30] <Kilos> williamk  ty for joining us we can discuss more via email
[19:30] <kapanda_> guy have heard of http://osssa.org.za/
[19:30] <Kilos> would be nice if your whole lug joined ours
[19:30] <inetpro> thanks everyone
[19:30] <inetpro> Maaz: end meeting
[19:30] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:30] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-07-28-18-29-42.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-07-28-18-29-42.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-07-28-18-29-42.html
[19:30] <Kilos> ty for chairing inetpro 
[19:30] <kulelu88> I didn't even know durban had tech things 
[19:31] <Kilos> they got lots of stuff
[19:31] <pieter2627> night all
[19:31] <Kilos> they got a ballie thats restore thousands of pcs for shipping to africa
[19:31] <Cryterion> night pieter
[19:31] <Kilos> night pieter2627 ty
[19:31]  * inetpro steps off the hot seat
[19:31] <Cryterion> kulelu88 are you in dbn?
[19:32] <inetpro> pieter2627: thanks for your willingness to take the next one
[19:32] <Kilos> haha inetpro age catching up on you
[19:32] <kulelu88> with this kak weather, I wish I was
[19:32] <Cryterion> lol, gets cold here, don't worry
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no, just struggling to find time here
[19:33] <Kilos> im sure there are linux users in all the centres that dont know about lugs and us
[19:33] <Cryterion> yip
[19:33] <Kilos> ya time becomes shorter daily
[19:33] <williamk> Kilos who has got a ballie thats restore thousands of pcs for shipping to africa
[19:33] <Kilos> somehow we need to attract the loners
[19:34] <Kilos> somewhere in durbs
[19:34] <Kilos> i saw it in a lug mail i think
[19:34] <Kilos> in a pc shop i think
[19:35] <Kilos> maybe a german guy
[19:35] <Guest92255> Kilos - I'm in Margate and know one one near here using Linux
[19:35] <Kilos> there must be Guest92255 
[19:35] <Guest92255> wish someone were here
[19:35] <Kilos> in every city and village
[19:36] <Kilos> ask around at pc shops to start with
[19:36] <Guest92255> have asked around in Hibiscus Coast - but no one 
[19:37] <Guest92255> have done that - they dont know of any
[19:37] <williamk> Guest92255 there is a guy in Pennington
[19:37] <Kilos> look at all companies that hav good IT guys
[19:37] <Guest92255> know of a name in Pennington? i could contact him
[19:37] <Cryterion> There's also me in Park Rynie, I work in that area
[19:38] <Kilos> see
[19:38] <Guest92255> How could I make contact - Cryterion?
[19:38] <Kilos> here
[19:38] <Kilos> we always here
[19:38] <Guest92255> OK
[19:38]  * Kilos loves irs
[19:38] <Kilos> irc
[19:39] <Kilos> williamk  can you give them info on how to contact the guy in pennington please
[19:40] <Kilos> and/or get him here too
[19:40] <Kilos> we need to form a strong united front
[19:41] <williamk> he is a mate, Duncan ( Anderson Networks 082 690 3130 )
[19:41] <Kilos> cool ty williamk 
[19:41] <Cryterion> williamk, we tried to register for the google groups durban lug, my app got denied 45mins later :(
[19:41] <Kilos> Guest92255  ^^
[19:41] <Cryterion> I/we **
[19:41] <Guest92255> Wish there were a register or something such to help with contacts
[19:42] <Guest92255> Thnx for the contact in Pennington, Williamk
[19:43] <superfly> *most* shared hosting things include mailman, and any half-decent plan starts at about R20 per month
[19:43] <williamk> goto http://durbanlinux.org.za/ then click on Mail List tab, then "Please join our Google Group"
[19:43] <superfly> as SubOracle
[19:43] <superfly> *ask
[19:45] <Kilos> you know williamk you work all the time for the cause, maybe you should think about becoming an official ubuntu member
[19:45] <Cryterion> easier to do it straight from Firefox Join request for dbnlug [{EMC3360FE7EyQm3LTXg0}]
[19:46] <Kilos> Guest92255  have you joined our mailing list yet
[19:46] <Kilos> and on launchpad
[19:47] <Kilos> lol i battled with joing the dbnlug list as well, vince0 ended up doing it for me
[19:48] <Guest92255> Kilos:  which Mailing list you refering to?
[19:48] <Kilos> dbnlug one on g+
[19:48] <Kilos> oh
[19:49] <Kilos> no our one man
[19:49] <Cryterion> ubuntu-africa@lists.launchpad.net that one
[19:49] <Cryterion> no not that one
[19:50] <Kilos> ubuntu-za
[19:50] <Kilos> i can never find that addy'
[19:50]  * Cryterion wonders if he's in the ZA one
[19:50] <Kilos> oh my
[19:50] <Kilos> ive been slipping up
[19:51] <Cryterion> kilos probably something like ubuntu-za@lists.launchpad.net
[19:51] <Kilos> no
[19:51] <Cryterion> ok, based that on the africa one
[19:51] <Kilos> lists.ubuntu.com or something with za in somewhere
[19:52] <Kilos> Cryterion  is a lp list
[19:52] <Kilos> ai africa is on an lp list
[19:52] <Kilos> wait ill find it
[19:53] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[19:53] <Kilos> in there somewhere
[19:53] <Cryterion> direct from site ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <Kilos> after join us
[19:53] <Guest92255> j
[19:53] <Kilos> ya that
[19:53] <Kilos> anyone not joined yet , please do
[19:54] <Guest92255> I will check and join - bye now'
[19:54] <Kilos> Guest92255  you can also ask in the lists for more linux peeps down there
[19:54] <Kilos> there are many there who dont come here
[19:54] <Guest92255> will do need to go 
[19:54] <Kilos> well done ty inetpro 
[19:55] <Cryterion> kilos, subscription waiting approval
[19:55] <Kilos> ok go well
[19:55] <Kilos> Cryterion  where?
[19:56] <Cryterion> The za mail list
[19:56] <Kilos> oh my
[19:56] <Kilos> i thought that auto approved
[19:56] <Kilos> gimme the link lemme see
[19:57] <Cryterion> nvm, got the email to confirm
[19:57] <Kilos> yay
[19:57] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:58] <Cryterion> didn't realise it worked that way :)
[19:58] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[19:58] <Kilos> sleep well
[19:58] <williamk> Cryterion I will be visiting Duncan sometime, We can possibly meet
[19:58] <Kilos> ty 
[20:01] <Cryterion> williamk I'm in Park Rynie during weekdays, which is just up the road from pennington, so just let me know when so I can arrange a gap at work
[20:04] <kulelu88> is it still flooding in durban? 
[20:05] <Kilos> only towards australia side
[20:05] <Kilos> after you cross the beach sand 
[20:05] <Kilos> then big flood water
[20:06] <williamk> Cryterion it is generraly on the weekends, or when I am on leave for weekdays
[20:08] <Cryterion> williamk I there generally during weekdays, stay up in durban, but could always drive down over a weekend
[20:11] <williamk> Cryterion I will contact you , what is your e-mail
[20:12] <Cryterion> gavin@anmarbaking.co.za / 0712079996
[20:13] <williamk> Cryterion thanks
[20:15] <gremble> Good meeting. Night guys :P
[20:15] <Cryterion> anyway, looks like I'm being chased to climb into bed :), thanks williamk, hope to meet up with you guys soon
[20:16] <Kilos> night gremble 
[20:16] <Kilos> sleep warm
[20:17] <Kilos> night Cryterion you too
[20:17] <williamk> Ok all, good night
[20:18] <Cryterion> night everyone
[20:18] <Kilos> night williamk ty for coming
[20:18] <Kilos> keep well
[21:00] <magespawn> good night
[21:02] <superfly> night folks