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krytarik"../scripts/pdf-create.sh C" missing there is not my fault though. :P00:08
knomethat happens, just drop in the new diff and i'll fix00:08
krytarikYeah.00:10
krytarikknome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/d0JFmwElI0kc1C4zpRIf/00:13
knomesigh00:14
knome:)00:14
krytariklol00:14
knomeno VPATH eh :P00:14
krytarikYeah, not needed anymore now.00:15
knomedone and pushed, can you double-check my copying didn't suck this time?00:18
krytarikYeah. LOL00:18
krytarikknome: Well, only slightly :P -00:23
krytarik-# exclude archive, backup, and bzr files00:23
krytarik+# exclude archive, VCS, and backups00:23
knomehah00:23
krytarikYou could run 'patch' against it though, you know?00:24
knomei'm old fashioned.00:24
knomepushed.00:24
krytarikOh gosh, and 'pdf-create.sh' is not executable. :P00:25
knomeoh, oh00:25
knome:P00:25
knomepushed00:26
knomethis is why we'd be so much better off with MPs.00:26
knomeso please, as you can see, it's likely less work to do one than play this game :P00:26
krytarikWell, I'd have not so much of a problem with direct commits, but MPs are really kind of cumbersome. :P00:27
knomeyeah, the "problem" is that the team that has push rights there isn't maintained by us00:28
knomei'll go through the approval process with you if you wish, so you can push directly00:28
knomekrytarik, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-May/018936.html00:32
knomekrytarik, basically, you need to send a mail like that00:32
krytarikUff.00:32
knomekrytarik, then me, pleia2, slickymaster and jjfrv8 (or a subset of that) need to approve.00:32
knomethen everybody says "ok" and somebody will grant you the membership00:32
knomethis is far easier than ubuntu membership or anything00:32
krytarikI'll think about it. :)00:33
knomeping me if you decide to (not) do it, so i can be alerted for the mail00:33
knomeor if you need help writing the mail.00:34
krytarikOk.00:34
krytarikAnd the formatting of 'pdf-create.sh' went kind of messy on transfer, but oh well. :P00:39
krytarikAt least this isn't Python... LOL00:39
knomeyou could change that yourself if you had the membership ;)00:39
knomei don't touch python.00:39
knomeeven in merges00:40
krytarikIt's really picky at that. :P00:40
knomei know00:40
krytarikOnly had that yesterday.00:40
knomeand i don't understand enough of it to merge anything00:40
jcjordyn120what's the current topic00:40
knomedocumentation makefiles00:40
knomeand branch merging00:40
jcjordyn120okay thanks knome 00:40
knome...though it seemed to end there00:42
krytarikknome: Here, for easy copy & pasting, if you wish :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/MIH5ZRfzSSIMqiRNqiFs/00:45
knomethanks00:45
knomedone00:46
krytarikThat also makes the generated HTML source code look better, that is.00:46
knomeok00:46
krytarikThanks.00:47
SwissBotfeed xubuntu-docs had 4 updates, showing the latest 300:49
knomesilly bot00:50
knomedidn't catch the last commit00:50
krytarikSlooow. :D00:50
krytarikChecked too, btw.00:51
knome:)00:51
jcjordyn120right now i am working on a session manager01:23
bluesabremicahg: have you had a chance to look at the packageset or shimmer-themes package?  the package should be okay to upload, no architecture changes there02:11
bluesabreand if you don't have any objections, I can go ahead and upload the next xubuntu-artwork with the libreoffice theme02:12
bluesabrewith today's blog post, seems reasonable to move that one along :)02:12
micahgI must have missed the blog post04:11
micahgah04:26
micahgbluesabre: go ahead an upload, it'll need to pass through NEW anyways04:29
micahgoh, and shimmer-themes is ready, I just need to push the button04:37
micahgpackageset still needs digging, I can sponsor until I can have a look04:37
ochosipleia2: yeah, i only have access to our G+ account, hence i only socialmedia'd it there06:40
ochosipleia2: thanks for taking care of the rest!06:41
ochosimicahg: and thanks for the upload! we really need to get this back into our packageset asap though06:43
ochosibluesabre: was considering to wait with the blog post until -artwork landed in 15.10 repos but this way around is ok too :)06:44
micahgochosi: yes, well, kubuntu and ubuntu "take ownership" of things...I need to dig a bit to find a good solution06:45
ochosianyway, off for the day to do some RL work, hf everyone!06:45
ochosimicahg: right, but this package isnt used by abyone else, is it?06:45
micahgit's a dependency of a package in the kubuntu packageset, hence the grabbing06:46
ochosior maybe i havent understood the problem properly yet06:46
ochosiwoot?06:46
ochosi(sry for the typos, silly phone)06:46
ochosiwhich package?06:46
micahgbreeze recommends orion-gtk-theme06:47
ochosimeh, thats not even maintained anymore (orion)06:47
micahgthe packagesets are by source, one binary can cause the whole thing06:48
ochosithe only reason we havent dropped orion from shimmer-themes yet is that xfce is still gtk2 so most things are still usable06:49
ochosi(that, and laziness i guess)06:49
micahgI'll get it sorted soon enough, though, in the mean time, I can sponsor, I'm guessing there won't be too many uploads in the next week or two of the themes06:49
ochosiyeah, prolly not, although i have some gtk3.16 fixes for greybird in git and hoe numix will finally get fixed too06:50
ochosiif you wanna add that as a workitem for yourself on the devel blueprint, that'd be great though, so we dont forget06:50
ochosiand then i'll know when its sorted too ;)06:51
ochosianyway, g2g now. ttyl micahg and thanks again!06:52
micahgdone06:53
Noskcajbluesabre, Do you a a preference for iconview vs gtkbutton for the sgt-puzzles-launcher? revisions 4 and 2 respectively on my branch06:55
Noskcaji can't find any info on how to connect the clicked signals properly for iconview (i hoped to get the info of which thing is clicked)06:56
bluesabreNoskcaj: no particular preference, but an IconView would let it be sorted or searched (sorting particularly handy for translations).  The old menulibre used a click and go iconview https://launchpad.net/menulibre/+milestone/13.04.1710:11
bluesabrelooks like the signal may be "item-activated"10:12
bluesabremicahg: thanks, uploaded xubuntu-artwork10:19
bluesabremicahg: ooh, and thanks for the upload!10:23
bluesabrexubuntu-artwork is now in NEW10:46
krytarikknome: Also, since we seem to be working together rather nicely these days, I should mention that I noticed earlier that the current Isolinux boot menu image is unnecessarily pixelated (I could provide a proper replacement). :)12:44
knomekrytarik, yes please :)14:15
krytarikHeh. :P14:15
jcjordyn120can we port the shimmer theme set to qt :14:37
krytarikknome: There you go: http://www.cellrabta.pk/xubuntu/splash.pcx15:21
dkesselLooks like we might be able to run the ubiquity autopilot image tests locally: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md16:55
dkesselI'll try it as soon as I can16:55
pleia2cool17:05
knomekrytarik, remind me in which package we need to push that to17:29
knomekrytarik, /branch17:30
knomebbl17:33
flocculantdkessel: it does run :)17:38
dkesselflocculant: yeah, testing it too just now. seems to download packages though... which is strange because it should test the ISO. guess i got to read the README fully first before i complain though ;)17:39
flocculantit fails too - not unexpected given that jenkins has reported these as fails forever seemingly 17:41
dkesselyeah, it fails. we should see if there is an ubiquity bug for that though.17:42
flocculantnot sure what the gain is here though17:44
krytarikknome: I didn't find a package for this one earlier though - hence my loop mounting of the ISO. :P17:44
flocculantdkessel: by the time someone has run this it's likely that they'd have found any issues elsewhere (talking Xubuntu here) 17:45
flocculantit's certainly quicker to boot the image in vbox or something 17:46
dkesselflocculant: the gain is the possibility of running these tests automatically on each new image and getting failure reports if anything breaks, instead of having to manually download images and running the test steps17:48
flocculantI understand that 17:49
flocculantjust not sure that we gain anything tbh17:49
flocculantthis 'fail' doesn't actually show up in the real world :)17:49
dkesselflocculant: well it would "just" need fixing the test then i guess. i filed it as bug 1479064 btw17:57
ubottubug 1479064 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Autopilot test "EnglishDefaultInstallTestCase" fails with Xubuntu i386 Wily daily ISO" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147906417:57
dkesseloh knome, krytarik: my docs PPA builds have stopped working tonight, build log is here: https://launchpad.net/~dkessel/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-docs-daily/+build/7731164/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.xubuntu-docs_15.99-201507272349%7E201507280001%7Eubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz17:59
flocculantdkessel: confirmed that18:00
dkesseli would guess that is because of you guys' changes from late yesterday ;)18:01
krytarikdkessel: Yep, that was before commit 408, "Make scripts/pdf-create.sh executable". :P18:13
dkesselalright :)18:14
krytarikknome: However, I just noticed we forgot to update the build depends - so that'd fail still. :D18:15
krytarikknome: Ah, there you go :D - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files/head:/data/wily/18:53
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Unit193bluesabre: Did you bzr tag?21:49
bluesabreUnit193: I prefer laser tag21:53
bluesabrewhat are you asking about me tagging? :)21:53
Unit193The new releases of packages?21:58
bluesabreI don't think we normally tag22:01
bluesabrewe probably should22:01
bluesabreshimmer-themes isn't in bzr22:01
Unit193Ah, I just saw SwissBot say something about releasing one.22:01
bluesabrexubuntu-artwork made its way out of new and into proposed :)22:03
bluesabreI suppose the next step is getting libreoffice-style-elementary into the seed and not tango22:05
bluesabretango|human are recommends on lo22:05
jcjordyn120hey knome, what project's do you manage ?22:23
knomejcjordyn120, i don't understand the question22:27
jcjordyn120knome, i ment what do you contribute to in the open source community >22:28
knometoo many things to list22:28
jcjordyn120knome, wow22:28
jcjordyn120knome, does one include xfce22:28
knomei'm the xubutnu website lead (and the former project lead), so i'm involved with a lot of things here; i'm also the founder and leader of the shimmer project, which provides themes for xubuntu for example22:29
knomei help xfce where i can, but i'm not a programmer22:29
jcjordyn120knome, oh ok, right now i am createing a session manager22:30
knomebluesabre, did you read issue #1 for the lo-theme on github?22:30
jcjordyn120knome, a universal one22:30
knomejcjordyn120, ok... good luck with that.22:30
jcjordyn120knome, thanks22:30
bluesabreknome: yes22:32
bluesabreI think we'd mentioned in a few places about it getting upstreamed22:33
knomebluesabre, just checking :)22:33
bluesabre:D22:33
knomeyes22:33
knomei know, i know22:33
bluesabre:D22:33
knomeso are you looking to replace the theme in our seed or in LO in all ubuntu?22:33
bluesabrewell, there's a related bug on the document foundation's BZ22:34
bluesabrebasically, nothing is to be replaced22:34
knomeaha22:34
bluesabrebut the new theme added to the list of existing themes22:35
knomecan you link me to that?22:35
bluesabrebugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9245822:35
knomethanks22:35
knometoo bad that isn't a real link22:35
knomejust a faux one22:35
bluesabrehttps://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9245822:35
knomethanks ;)22:36
ubottubugs.documentfoundation.org bug 92458 in UI "Integrate the “elementary” theme into LibreOffice" [Normal,New]22:36
knomei didn't read that anything isn't replaced there22:37
knomethough i also didn't read that anything is replaced22:38
bluesabre"""22:38
bluesabre@Björn: Honestly, Canonical’s design team is so embroiled in the phone project that they would ignore my bug report anyway.22:38
meetingologybluesabre: Error: "Björn:" is not a valid command.22:38
bluesabreI’m dropping the Human theme from this to make you more comfortable.22:38
bluesabre"""22:38
bluesabreoriginally he proposed that the human theme be replaced with the elementary theme22:38
knomewhere?22:39
knomesorry for being nitpicky, but i don't read that either22:39
bluesabrehttps://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary/issues/122:39
bluesabrecomment 122:39
bluesabre;)22:39
knomeyes, but then again that's not on the DF.org tracker22:39
knomeso as i see it, people on that tracker are confused what the goal *is*22:40
knomeBjörn: "What is the point/goal of this anyway? The human theme can be turned off by a configure switch and IIRC isnt even enabled by default. If the goal is to make Ubuntu ship a different default, this certainly isnt the way towards that goal (see above)."22:40
bluesabreI think the title may have been different or something22:41
bluesabrebut that was the original proposal22:41
knomeso i guess that means that one can't replace human in upstream - because there is no human in upstream22:41
bluesabrewell, there is22:42
knomehuman is only the default theme in ubuntu22:42
bluesabrehuman is upstream, its just not built by default22:42
knomeby default, that is22:42
knomei'm confused22:42
bluesabreit's confusing22:42
bluesabre;)22:42
knomemaybe22:42
bluesabrewhat was originally proposed: "human is obsolete, let's replace it with elementary, which human is partially based on"22:43
knomeok22:43
pleia2we are borg?22:43
knomein github?22:43
bluesabreye22:43
bluesabres22:44
bluesabreI think22:44
knomewell that's the thing22:44
bluesabrestop asking questions :p22:44
knomehave people in the df.org thread read that?22:44
knomemeh22:44
knomenow you're forbidding all the fun from me.22:44
bluesabrepresumably? "Right. I would really not enjoy killing the Human theme, as likely it would just mean that I would need to carry it as a cumbersome vendor patch anyway, just creating lots of pointless work along the way."22:44
bluesabrefrom https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92458#c322:44
ubottubugs.documentfoundation.org bug 92458 in UI "Integrate the “elementary” theme into LibreOffice" [Normal,New]22:44
knome"kill" -> remove completely?22:44
knomeor replace?22:44
bluesabrerm -rf human22:45
bluesabreso both22:45
bluesabrekill human22:45
knomeheh22:45
bluesabreadd elemtnary22:45
knomewell, i don't think there's much need to remove it completely22:45
knomeor much idea22:45
bluesabreI agree22:45
knomepeople might want to keep on using it22:45
bluesabrethat wasn't our proposal22:45
Unit193Killing humans?22:45
knomeso even if it got replaced... it should be kept around22:45
bluesabreand it makes sense to me to not remove it22:45
bluesabresince ubuntu def. uses it22:45
knomeagreed22:45
knomeok - so for the practical side...22:46
knomecan we override the ubuntu default in xubuntu?22:46
Unit193Kubuntu does, sooo.22:46
knomeok22:47
bluesabrewe already do too22:47
bluesabrewe ship tango today22:47
knomeaha22:47
knomeship tango on the love boat?22:47
Unit193Just need someone to add it to alternate deps.22:47
knomecould somebody like Unit193 do it via sponsoring? :d22:48
bluesabreand poking22:48
Unit193Easier to get the Ubuntu maintainer to do it.22:49
bluesabre^22:49
bluesabreBjorn most likely22:49
knomeit's ö22:50
* bluesabre is too lazy to type or copy+paste like22:50
bluesabrethat22:50
bluesabrelike Steinbeiss22:51
knomeyou don't have a " key in your keyboard22:51
knomehah, altgr+s = ß22:51
knomego finnish layout!22:51
knomeboo US layout!22:51
bluesabre:p22:51
Unit193bluesabre: I'm too lazy for that, Simon or just plain ochosi.22:52
knomebluesabre, answer my question, it's a valid one :P22:52
knomefi layout has " ^ ~ in one button22:53
knome" not being quote, but the umlaut really22:53
bluesabreah, sorry about that22:53
bluesabrewe have the ? in the US layout22:53
bluesabrehelps define a question22:53
bluesabre;)22:53
knomeŝïllÿ ÿöü22:53
knomeooh, that one22:54
knomeit's hidden behind +22:54
knome;)=22:54
bluesabremy altgr doesn't seem to work to type characters22:54
knomehmm22:55
knomethere's a variant of the fi layout where the same happens22:55
knomethen you can easily type €22:55
knome:P22:55
ochosigood to read these variations of my name and all :>23:48
ochosiso hey and good night everyone!23:48
knomeochosi, no it's not!23:49
ochosibluesabre: don't forget to release xfpanel-switch ;)23:57
ochosi->23:57

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