[00:08] <krytarik> "../scripts/pdf-create.sh C" missing there is not my fault though. :P
[00:08] <knome> that happens, just drop in the new diff and i'll fix
[00:10] <krytarik> Yeah.
[00:13] <krytarik> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/d0JFmwElI0kc1C4zpRIf/
[00:14] <knome> sigh
[00:14] <knome> :)
[00:14] <krytarik> lol
[00:14] <knome> no VPATH eh :P
[00:15] <krytarik> Yeah, not needed anymore now.
[00:18] <knome> done and pushed, can you double-check my copying didn't suck this time?
[00:18] <krytarik> Yeah. LOL
[00:23] <krytarik> knome: Well, only slightly :P -
[00:23] <krytarik> -	# exclude archive, backup, and bzr files
[00:23] <krytarik> +	# exclude archive, VCS, and backups
[00:23] <knome> hah
[00:24] <krytarik> You could run 'patch' against it though, you know?
[00:24] <knome> i'm old fashioned.
[00:24] <knome> pushed.
[00:25] <krytarik> Oh gosh, and 'pdf-create.sh' is not executable. :P
[00:25] <knome> oh, oh
[00:25] <knome> :P
[00:26] <knome> pushed
[00:26] <knome> this is why we'd be so much better off with MPs.
[00:26] <knome> so please, as you can see, it's likely less work to do one than play this game :P
[00:27] <krytarik> Well, I'd have not so much of a problem with direct commits, but MPs are really kind of cumbersome. :P
[00:28] <knome> yeah, the "problem" is that the team that has push rights there isn't maintained by us
[00:28] <knome> i'll go through the approval process with you if you wish, so you can push directly
[00:32] <knome> krytarik, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-May/018936.html
[00:32] <knome> krytarik, basically, you need to send a mail like that
[00:32] <krytarik> Uff.
[00:32] <knome> krytarik, then me, pleia2, slickymaster and jjfrv8 (or a subset of that) need to approve.
[00:32] <knome> then everybody says "ok" and somebody will grant you the membership
[00:32] <knome> this is far easier than ubuntu membership or anything
[00:33] <krytarik> I'll think about it. :)
[00:33] <knome> ping me if you decide to (not) do it, so i can be alerted for the mail
[00:34] <knome> or if you need help writing the mail.
[00:34] <krytarik> Ok.
[00:39] <krytarik> And the formatting of 'pdf-create.sh' went kind of messy on transfer, but oh well. :P
[00:39] <krytarik> At least this isn't Python... LOL
[00:39] <knome> you could change that yourself if you had the membership ;)
[00:39] <knome> i don't touch python.
[00:40] <knome> even in merges
[00:40] <krytarik> It's really picky at that. :P
[00:40] <knome> i know
[00:40] <krytarik> Only had that yesterday.
[00:40] <knome> and i don't understand enough of it to merge anything
[00:40] <jcjordyn120> what's the current topic
[00:40] <knome> documentation makefiles
[00:40] <knome> and branch merging
[00:40] <jcjordyn120> okay thanks knome 
[00:42] <knome> ...though it seemed to end there
[00:45] <krytarik> knome: Here, for easy copy & pasting, if you wish :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/MIH5ZRfzSSIMqiRNqiFs/
[00:45] <knome> thanks
[00:46] <knome> done
[00:46] <krytarik> That also makes the generated HTML source code look better, that is.
[00:46] <knome> ok
[00:47] <krytarik> Thanks.
[00:49] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-docs had 4 updates, showing the latest 3
[00:50] <knome> silly bot
[00:50] <knome> didn't catch the last commit
[00:50] <krytarik> Slooow. :D
[00:51] <krytarik> Checked too, btw.
[00:51] <knome> :)
[01:23] <jcjordyn120> right now i am working on a session manager
[02:11] <bluesabre> micahg: have you had a chance to look at the packageset or shimmer-themes package?  the package should be okay to upload, no architecture changes there
[02:12] <bluesabre> and if you don't have any objections, I can go ahead and upload the next xubuntu-artwork with the libreoffice theme
[02:12] <bluesabre> with today's blog post, seems reasonable to move that one along :)
[04:11] <micahg> I must have missed the blog post
[04:26] <micahg> ah
[04:29] <micahg> bluesabre: go ahead an upload, it'll need to pass through NEW anyways
[04:37] <micahg> oh, and shimmer-themes is ready, I just need to push the button
[04:37] <micahg> packageset still needs digging, I can sponsor until I can have a look
[06:40] <ochosi> pleia2: yeah, i only have access to our G+ account, hence i only socialmedia'd it there
[06:41] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks for taking care of the rest!
[06:43] <ochosi> micahg: and thanks for the upload! we really need to get this back into our packageset asap though
[06:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: was considering to wait with the blog post until -artwork landed in 15.10 repos but this way around is ok too :)
[06:45] <micahg> ochosi: yes, well, kubuntu and ubuntu "take ownership" of things...I need to dig a bit to find a good solution
[06:45] <ochosi> anyway, off for the day to do some RL work, hf everyone!
[06:45] <ochosi> micahg: right, but this package isnt used by abyone else, is it?
[06:46] <micahg> it's a dependency of a package in the kubuntu packageset, hence the grabbing
[06:46] <ochosi> or maybe i havent understood the problem properly yet
[06:46] <ochosi> woot?
[06:46] <ochosi> (sry for the typos, silly phone)
[06:46] <ochosi> which package?
[06:47] <micahg> breeze recommends orion-gtk-theme
[06:47] <ochosi> meh, thats not even maintained anymore (orion)
[06:48] <micahg> the packagesets are by source, one binary can cause the whole thing
[06:49] <ochosi> the only reason we havent dropped orion from shimmer-themes yet is that xfce is still gtk2 so most things are still usable
[06:49] <ochosi> (that, and laziness i guess)
[06:49] <micahg> I'll get it sorted soon enough, though, in the mean time, I can sponsor, I'm guessing there won't be too many uploads in the next week or two of the themes
[06:50] <ochosi> yeah, prolly not, although i have some gtk3.16 fixes for greybird in git and hoe numix will finally get fixed too
[06:50] <ochosi> if you wanna add that as a workitem for yourself on the devel blueprint, that'd be great though, so we dont forget
[06:51] <ochosi> and then i'll know when its sorted too ;)
[06:52] <ochosi> anyway, g2g now. ttyl micahg and thanks again!
[06:53] <micahg> done
[06:55] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you a a preference for iconview vs gtkbutton for the sgt-puzzles-launcher? revisions 4 and 2 respectively on my branch
[06:56] <Noskcaj> i can't find any info on how to connect the clicked signals properly for iconview (i hoped to get the info of which thing is clicked)
[10:11] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: no particular preference, but an IconView would let it be sorted or searched (sorting particularly handy for translations).  The old menulibre used a click and go iconview https://launchpad.net/menulibre/+milestone/13.04.17
[10:12] <bluesabre> looks like the signal may be "item-activated"
[10:19] <bluesabre> micahg: thanks, uploaded xubuntu-artwork
[10:23] <bluesabre> micahg: ooh, and thanks for the upload!
[10:46] <bluesabre> xubuntu-artwork is now in NEW
[12:44] <krytarik> knome: Also, since we seem to be working together rather nicely these days, I should mention that I noticed earlier that the current Isolinux boot menu image is unnecessarily pixelated (I could provide a proper replacement). :)
[14:15] <knome> krytarik, yes please :)
[14:15] <krytarik> Heh. :P
[14:37] <jcjordyn120> can we port the shimmer theme set to qt :
[15:21] <krytarik> knome: There you go: http://www.cellrabta.pk/xubuntu/splash.pcx
[16:55] <dkessel> Looks like we might be able to run the ubiquity autopilot image tests locally: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md
[16:55] <dkessel> I'll try it as soon as I can
[17:05] <pleia2> cool
[17:29] <knome> krytarik, remind me in which package we need to push that to
[17:30] <knome> krytarik, /branch
[17:33] <knome> bbl
[17:38] <flocculant> dkessel: it does run :)
[17:39] <dkessel> flocculant: yeah, testing it too just now. seems to download packages though... which is strange because it should test the ISO. guess i got to read the README fully first before i complain though ;)
[17:41] <flocculant> it fails too - not unexpected given that jenkins has reported these as fails forever seemingly 
[17:42] <dkessel> yeah, it fails. we should see if there is an ubiquity bug for that though.
[17:44] <flocculant> not sure what the gain is here though
[17:44] <krytarik> knome: I didn't find a package for this one earlier though - hence my loop mounting of the ISO. :P
[17:45] <flocculant> dkessel: by the time someone has run this it's likely that they'd have found any issues elsewhere (talking Xubuntu here) 
[17:46] <flocculant> it's certainly quicker to boot the image in vbox or something 
[17:48] <dkessel> flocculant: the gain is the possibility of running these tests automatically on each new image and getting failure reports if anything breaks, instead of having to manually download images and running the test steps
[17:49] <flocculant> I understand that 
[17:49] <flocculant> just not sure that we gain anything tbh
[17:49] <flocculant> this 'fail' doesn't actually show up in the real world :)
[17:57] <dkessel> flocculant: well it would "just" need fixing the test then i guess. i filed it as bug 1479064 btw
[17:59] <dkessel> oh knome, krytarik: my docs PPA builds have stopped working tonight, build log is here: https://launchpad.net/~dkessel/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-docs-daily/+build/7731164/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.xubuntu-docs_15.99-201507272349%7E201507280001%7Eubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:00] <flocculant> dkessel: confirmed that
[18:01] <dkessel> i would guess that is because of you guys' changes from late yesterday ;)
[18:13] <krytarik> dkessel: Yep, that was before commit 408, "Make scripts/pdf-create.sh executable". :P
[18:14] <dkessel> alright :)
[18:15] <krytarik> knome: However, I just noticed we forgot to update the build depends - so that'd fail still. :D
[18:53] <krytarik> knome: Ah, there you go :D - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files/head:/data/wily/
[21:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you bzr tag?
[21:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: I prefer laser tag
[21:53] <bluesabre> what are you asking about me tagging? :)
[21:58] <Unit193> The new releases of packages?
[22:01] <bluesabre> I don't think we normally tag
[22:01] <bluesabre> we probably should
[22:01] <bluesabre> shimmer-themes isn't in bzr
[22:01] <Unit193> Ah, I just saw SwissBot say something about releasing one.
[22:03] <bluesabre> xubuntu-artwork made its way out of new and into proposed :)
[22:05] <bluesabre> I suppose the next step is getting libreoffice-style-elementary into the seed and not tango
[22:05] <bluesabre> tango|human are recommends on lo
[22:23] <jcjordyn120> hey knome, what project's do you manage ?
[22:27] <knome> jcjordyn120, i don't understand the question
[22:28] <jcjordyn120> knome, i ment what do you contribute to in the open source community >
[22:28] <knome> too many things to list
[22:28] <jcjordyn120> knome, wow
[22:28] <jcjordyn120> knome, does one include xfce
[22:29] <knome> i'm the xubutnu website lead (and the former project lead), so i'm involved with a lot of things here; i'm also the founder and leader of the shimmer project, which provides themes for xubuntu for example
[22:29] <knome> i help xfce where i can, but i'm not a programmer
[22:30] <jcjordyn120> knome, oh ok, right now i am createing a session manager
[22:30] <knome> bluesabre, did you read issue #1 for the lo-theme on github?
[22:30] <jcjordyn120> knome, a universal one
[22:30] <knome> jcjordyn120, ok... good luck with that.
[22:30] <jcjordyn120> knome, thanks
[22:32] <bluesabre> knome: yes
[22:33] <bluesabre> I think we'd mentioned in a few places about it getting upstreamed
[22:33] <knome> bluesabre, just checking :)
[22:33] <bluesabre> :D
[22:33] <knome> yes
[22:33] <knome> i know, i know
[22:33] <bluesabre> :D
[22:33] <knome> so are you looking to replace the theme in our seed or in LO in all ubuntu?
[22:34] <bluesabre> well, there's a related bug on the document foundation's BZ
[22:34] <bluesabre> basically, nothing is to be replaced
[22:34] <knome> aha
[22:35] <bluesabre> but the new theme added to the list of existing themes
[22:35] <knome> can you link me to that?
[22:35] <bluesabre> bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92458
[22:35] <knome> thanks
[22:35] <knome> too bad that isn't a real link
[22:35] <knome> just a faux one
[22:35] <bluesabre> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92458
[22:36] <knome> thanks ;)
[22:37] <knome> i didn't read that anything isn't replaced there
[22:38] <knome> though i also didn't read that anything is replaced
[22:38] <bluesabre> """
[22:38] <bluesabre> @Björn: Honestly, Canonical’s design team is so embroiled in the phone project that they would ignore my bug report anyway.
[22:38] <meetingology> bluesabre: Error: "Björn:" is not a valid command.
[22:38] <bluesabre> I’m dropping the Human theme from this to make you more comfortable.
[22:38] <bluesabre> """
[22:38] <bluesabre> originally he proposed that the human theme be replaced with the elementary theme
[22:39] <knome> where?
[22:39] <knome> sorry for being nitpicky, but i don't read that either
[22:39] <bluesabre> https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary/issues/1
[22:39] <bluesabre> comment 1
[22:39] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:39] <knome> yes, but then again that's not on the DF.org tracker
[22:40] <knome> so as i see it, people on that tracker are confused what the goal *is*
[22:40] <knome> Björn: "What is the point/goal of this anyway? The human theme can be turned off by a configure switch and IIRC isnt even enabled by default. If the goal is to make Ubuntu ship a different default, this certainly isnt the way towards that goal (see above)."
[22:41] <bluesabre> I think the title may have been different or something
[22:41] <bluesabre> but that was the original proposal
[22:41] <knome> so i guess that means that one can't replace human in upstream - because there is no human in upstream
[22:42] <bluesabre> well, there is
[22:42] <knome> human is only the default theme in ubuntu
[22:42] <bluesabre> human is upstream, its just not built by default
[22:42] <knome> by default, that is
[22:42] <knome> i'm confused
[22:42] <bluesabre> it's confusing
[22:42] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:42] <knome> maybe
[22:43] <bluesabre> what was originally proposed: "human is obsolete, let's replace it with elementary, which human is partially based on"
[22:43] <knome> ok
[22:43] <pleia2> we are borg?
[22:43] <knome> in github?
[22:43] <bluesabre> ye
[22:44] <bluesabre> s
[22:44] <bluesabre> I think
[22:44] <knome> well that's the thing
[22:44] <bluesabre> stop asking questions :p
[22:44] <knome> have people in the df.org thread read that?
[22:44] <knome> meh
[22:44] <knome> now you're forbidding all the fun from me.
[22:44] <bluesabre> presumably? "Right. I would really not enjoy killing the Human theme, as likely it would just mean that I would need to carry it as a cumbersome vendor patch anyway, just creating lots of pointless work along the way."
[22:44] <bluesabre> from https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92458#c3
[22:44] <knome> "kill" -> remove completely?
[22:44] <knome> or replace?
[22:45] <bluesabre> rm -rf human
[22:45] <bluesabre> so both
[22:45] <bluesabre> kill human
[22:45] <knome> heh
[22:45] <bluesabre> add elemtnary
[22:45] <knome> well, i don't think there's much need to remove it completely
[22:45] <knome> or much idea
[22:45] <bluesabre> I agree
[22:45] <knome> people might want to keep on using it
[22:45] <bluesabre> that wasn't our proposal
[22:45] <Unit193> Killing humans?
[22:45] <knome> so even if it got replaced... it should be kept around
[22:45] <bluesabre> and it makes sense to me to not remove it
[22:45] <bluesabre> since ubuntu def. uses it
[22:45] <knome> agreed
[22:46] <knome> ok - so for the practical side...
[22:46] <knome> can we override the ubuntu default in xubuntu?
[22:46] <Unit193> Kubuntu does, sooo.
[22:47] <knome> ok
[22:47] <bluesabre> we already do too
[22:47] <bluesabre> we ship tango today
[22:47] <knome> aha
[22:47] <knome> ship tango on the love boat?
[22:47] <Unit193> Just need someone to add it to alternate deps.
[22:48] <knome> could somebody like Unit193 do it via sponsoring? :d
[22:48] <bluesabre> and poking
[22:49] <Unit193> Easier to get the Ubuntu maintainer to do it.
[22:49] <bluesabre> ^
[22:49] <bluesabre> Bjorn most likely
[22:50] <knome> it's ö
[22:50]  * bluesabre is too lazy to type or copy+paste like
[22:50] <bluesabre> that
[22:51] <bluesabre> like Steinbeiss
[22:51] <knome> you don't have a " key in your keyboard
[22:51] <knome> hah, altgr+s = ß
[22:51] <knome> go finnish layout!
[22:51] <knome> boo US layout!
[22:51] <bluesabre> :p
[22:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm too lazy for that, Simon or just plain ochosi.
[22:52] <knome> bluesabre, answer my question, it's a valid one :P
[22:53] <knome> fi layout has " ^ ~ in one button
[22:53] <knome> " not being quote, but the umlaut really
[22:53] <bluesabre> ah, sorry about that
[22:53] <bluesabre> we have the ? in the US layout
[22:53] <bluesabre> helps define a question
[22:53] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:53] <knome> ŝïllÿ ÿöü
[22:54] <knome> ooh, that one
[22:54] <knome> it's hidden behind +
[22:54] <knome> ;)=
[22:54] <bluesabre> my altgr doesn't seem to work to type characters
[22:55] <knome> hmm
[22:55] <knome> there's a variant of the fi layout where the same happens
[22:55] <knome> then you can easily type €
[22:55] <knome> :P
[23:48] <ochosi> good to read these variations of my name and all :>
[23:48] <ochosi> so hey and good night everyone!
[23:49] <knome> ochosi, no it's not!
[23:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: don't forget to release xfpanel-switch ;)
[23:57] <ochosi> ->