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| Novice201y | Hello. After last reboot I see only command promt on the screen and Lubuntu doesn't load. | 06:44 |
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| ianorlin | Novice201y: does it say grub on it? | 07:01 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: No. | 07:05 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: Only command promnt. | 07:06 |
| ianorlin | and you were not changing any settings? | 07:06 |
| ianorlin | which versoin of lubuntu | 07:06 |
| ianorlin | Novice201y: if that happens I would try to restart lightdm the display manager | 07:07 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: I disabled light locker, with sleep and hibernation. | 07:07 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: But, it's not possible to write anything. Only command promnt flashes. | 07:07 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: I'll just reinstall whole system, cause of time. | 07:09 |
| Novice201y | ianorlin: Thank You for response. | 07:10 |
| jam__ | hi all, is there any minimal CD images available? | 12:10 |
| jam__ | I want a minimal Ubuntu system (no desktop) but the mini.iso don't let me install using wifi | 12:10 |
| jam__ | I travel a lot and be forced to find a cable to connect to the net is not an option | 12:11 |
| jam__ | ? | 12:11 |
| jam__ | ...or is there a way to fix this problem? the Debian minimal image have driver for wireless connections | 12:13 |
| DWSR | Hey all, I did a minimal install from ISO. When I try to use a guest session, I get "No session for pid xxxx" and the guest session can't launch any installed programs. How can I fix that? Additionally, how can I customize the guest session desktop profile? | 12:51 |
| holstein | DWSR: you installed lubuntu-desktop ? | 14:39 |
| DWSR | holstein: No, minimal lubuntu. I have answered my above questions. | 14:45 |
| DWSR | I have lightdm logging directly into the guest-session profile and I edited failsafe.conf to remove the waiting for networking. However, when I do that, networkmanager isn't started and nm-applet won't work in the guest session. How can I fix that? | 14:46 |
| holstein | DWSR: what did you install? to get lubuntu? | 14:48 |
| DWSR | I installed from the minimal install CD and then selected the minimal lubuntu package | 14:51 |
| holstein | !mini | 14:51 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 14:51 |
| DWSR | So I'm pretty sure I got like LXDE and that's about it | 14:51 |
| DWSR | Yeah, that | 14:51 |
| holstein | DWSR: correct.. ^ that iso, correct? | 14:51 |
| DWSR | (which is exactly what I'm looking for btw. | 14:51 |
| holstein | DWSR: what *exact* package name? lubuntu-minimal? | 14:51 |
| holstein | DWSR: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-minimal? | 14:51 |
| DWSR | lubuntu-minimal isn't a package. | 14:52 |
| holstein | have you tried lubuntu-desktop? it could be, you are not using enough of lxde/lubuntu to provde the functionality you seek | 14:52 |
| holstein | DWSR: so, what package did you install, friend? | 14:52 |
| DWSR | holstein: Whatever the installer labelled as "minimal lubuntu" which I assumed wasn't actually a meta and rather a collection of other stuff. | 14:52 |
| holstein | DWSR: what i would do is, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.. making sure i have all updates installed.. then, i would do. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop | 14:53 |
| DWSR | I am specifically NOT installed lubuntu-desktop. | 14:53 |
| DWSR | s/installed/installing/ | 14:54 |
| holstein | ok | 14:54 |
| holstein | !bug | 14:54 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 14:54 |
| DWSR | These are low-spec laptops to be used as loaners. | 14:54 |
| holstein | sure.. but, that wont make the laptops any faster | 14:54 |
| holstein | and, its still lxde.. and arbuably, more appropriate, and easier to use, since, its made for a normal desktop setup | 14:54 |
| DWSR | I don't want a "normal desktop setup" This is supposed to be an internet browser with a keyboard and mouse attached. | 14:55 |
| holstein | installing "lubuntu-desktop" wont prevent that.. | 14:56 |
| DWSR | It requires more work to remove the crap I don't need than to just work through the things I do need. I literally have one last issue to deal with, and that's networkmanager not starting when Plymouth is skipped. | 14:56 |
| holstein | DWSR: cool.. start is system wide, *before* login | 14:57 |
| holstein | it* | 14:57 |
| bioterror | with all that effort you could just install normal lubuntu installation and make a iamge of it with clonezilla. and when the laptop returns, just put the clone image back again | 14:57 |
| DWSR | holstein: Right. I'm confused as to why editing failsafe.conf to skip the network check caused networkmanager to stop starting | 14:57 |
| DWSR | bioterror: lol, not imaging these laptops. They're literally 0 maintenance. When they die, they're in the garbage. | 14:58 |
| holstein | DWSR: im not sure how the operating system you installed works.. i have never personally used that setup in the mini iso, and TBH, i have no idea who maintains it, or, what packages/configs you have | 14:58 |
| DWSR | We have O365, so we have cloud storage and Office online. These are for using those when you spill liquid all over your laptop and it's in for service. | 14:58 |
| holstein | nothing about installing main lubuntu uprevents what you are stating you need | 14:58 |
| DWSR | holstein: The package is lubuntu-core. | 14:58 |
| bioterror | DWSR, i like that! some punishment for the spillers ;) | 14:59 |
| DWSR | bioterror: More like a life-line. | 14:59 |
| DWSR | But yeah, a bit of that too. | 14:59 |
| holstein | http://askubuntu.com/questions/312594/enable-network-for-guest-session-in-lubuntu-12-04 | 15:00 |
| holstein | ^suggests making sure the network is avaiable for all users, for the guest to access networking | 15:00 |
| holstein | otherwise, you may prefer just disabling the guest session. since you want to remove features.. | 15:01 |
| bioterror | I have one lenovo x230 lying around. I could try mini iso + fetching packages | 15:02 |
| DWSR | holstein: I want to only use the guest account because it's not allowed to save files anywhere but its own profile folder, which disappears after logout. | 15:02 |
| DWSR | holstein: Which is EXACTLY the functionality I want. Like I said, this is literally a web browser with a mouse, keyboard, and monitor attached to it. | 15:03 |
| DWSR | I do not want users to have the ability to do anything else. | 15:03 |
| bioterror | so you want it in a kiosk mode | 15:03 |
| DWSR | Yeah. I'm basically already there. | 15:03 |
| bioterror | did you download 15.04 or older? | 15:04 |
| DWSR | 14.04 | 15:05 |
| holstein | this actually looks mostly how i would do that https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/ | 15:06 |
| holstein | i have, in the past, tried read-only home, and other kiosk modes, and freeze setups.. and lockdowns.. | 15:07 |
| holstein | i find, they all have compromises.. but, with linux, if i just give whomever needs it an actual user account, that works fine | 15:07 |
| holstein | depending on the situation.. but, if in that scenario, Tammy spils a beer in the lenovo, i make her user Tammy on the machine, and its not an admin user.. that seemed to work best, for situations where the machine is not sitting in plublic | 15:08 |
| holstein | othherwise, the workflow of giving a person a guest account to "live in", was just too different from what they were used to, i found | 15:09 |
| DWSR | holstein: Guess they shouldn't spill beer on their work laptop. | 15:09 |
| holstein | well, thats the scneario that you are faced with.. im just stating what my experiences were implementing linux places.. | 15:10 |
| holstein | for folks that dont use linux.. | 15:10 |
| DWSR | holstein: That's why this is literally a 1 button wonder. Chrome icon is familiar to them, Chrome is familiar to them, and the shutdown button is familiar to them. | 15:11 |
| DWSR | It turns on, off and opens Chrome. It's super purpose built for this. | 15:11 |
| holstein | sure.. its just for me, a "normal" install of whatever os, in this case, main lubuntu, which takes about 6 minutes, then, setting a sudo user, then, creating whatever user is needed, and things "just work" worked best for me | 15:11 |
| DWSR | I don't want editing office docs in LO, I don't want any of that. It's "You will live in this web browser and access everything through the web". | 15:11 |
| holstein | but, YMMV.. | 15:11 |
| holstein | if the current machines work that way, then, i say, thats a good setup for them | 15:12 |
| bioterror | installing the lubuntu minimal from mini iso | 15:23 |
| bioterror | I got a good reason to wipe that drive ;) | 15:23 |
| holstein | i have only ever installed from mini, and added packages later.. | 15:23 |
| holstein | if thats an "official" iso, we probably have test cases for that stuff somewhere.. in qa testing | 15:24 |
| bioterror | that has a nice frontend to choose what to install | 15:24 |
| holstein | its really quite nice.. | 15:24 |
| DWSR | Does Lubuntu display a warning about guest sessions by default? | 15:26 |
| DWSR | I know Ubuntu does. | 15:26 |
| bioterror | nice | 15:26 |
| bioterror | that installation found my USB drive as sda and that ssd is sdb, now grub tries to install on sda | 15:27 |
| DWSR | bioterror: Yeah, I had that problem as well. Quick grub-install once I booted solved it. Still annoying that it enumerates USB first | 15:27 |
| DWSR | literally the only problem I'm having right now is NetworkManager isn't correctly bringing up the network if I disabled the timeout for the network on boot | 15:30 |
| DWSR | everything else is exactly as desired. | 15:30 |
| DWSR | Oh, interesting. | 15:38 |
| DWSR | So NetworkManager starts correctly after like 2 minutes? | 15:38 |
| holstein | i dont know what the guest accout does with wifi access points the main account hasnt joined | 15:39 |
| DWSR | Hrm, can't join anything or add any networks | 15:41 |
| holstein | thats what i would expect, from the guest account | 15:42 |
| holstein | that was another reason, i decided a normal user was "best".. also, the guest cant mount USB sticks, AFAIK | 15:42 |
| holstein | and, that will be the only way to "save" things that arent online.. and also, wiping the saved passwords, etc, from the browser config | 15:43 |
| DWSR | holstein: Again, that is in fact the point. No interacting with local resources. At all. | 15:43 |
| holstein | then, thats what you have :) | 15:43 |
| holstein | or, thats what the users get.. unless they are savvy.. | 15:44 |
| DWSR | holstein: Doubtful, unless they're booting from USB, which we're probably going to disable in the BIOS anyway | 15:45 |
| holstein | in the recovery kernel, from boot, the sudo password can be reset.. basically, if you can "touch" the hardware, all bets are off.. | 15:46 |
| holstein | but, im sure thats not the main concern.. | 15:46 |
| DWSR | holstein: Oh sure, but if they're that smart, they're also smart enough to understand that you should have sealable containers of liquid near your computer. | 15:47 |
| holstein | im just trying to save you some time, trying to work around things that are easily broken.. | 15:47 |
| DWSR | Is ubuntu using upstart, or what are we using now? | 17:04 |
| holstein | 14.04 was upstart, AFAIK | 17:05 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers should have the facts, DWSR | 17:06 |
| jam__ | hi all, I have installed the minimal version of lubuntu (using the alternate cd and then selecting F4) the problem is I don't really know what I been installing? | 21:03 |
| ianorlin | jam__: hmm I am not sure that is tested that much | 21:04 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, what you mean? you think it is something nobody use? | 21:05 |
| ianorlin | I am not sure how many use it | 21:06 |
| ianorlin | you can get everything with installing lubuntu-desktop | 21:06 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, what I try to do is to get a minimal ubuntu install without any desktop | 21:07 |
| ianorlin | ah ok that is probably what it will do | 21:07 |
| ianorlin | jam__: I think you can get even more minimal witht eh ubuntu server iso for minimal virtual machine | 21:07 |
| bioterror | not that huge difference between server and and minimal | 21:08 |
| ianorlin | although just make sure you don't think it will complete install at the enter http proxy stage | 21:09 |
| jam__ | bioterror, the problem is I can't figure out what the differences is. | 21:09 |
| jam__ | how do I know all security stuff are implemented or not then there are no documentation? | 21:10 |
| ianorlin | I don't think minimal comes with a firewall | 21:10 |
| ianorlin | you can install one with apt | 21:11 |
| ianorlin | there also isn't apparmor on by defualt | 21:11 |
| ianorlin | security is a compilcated area in its own right but isn't a product but a process | 21:11 |
| ianorlin | I don't think minimal runs any services by defualt | 21:12 |
| bioterror | technically for what you would need that anyways, I mean firewall on *nix machine | 21:12 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, I don't really trust myself installing that kind of stuff | 21:12 |
| bioterror | you dont have any ports open to world by default, unless you start installing stuff | 21:12 |
| ianorlin | jam__: what do you plan on using this minimal install for? | 21:13 |
| jam__ | I guess I want a minimal distro without any application or desktop but all the security packages preinstalled and configured | 21:14 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, I want to use it for my everyday desktop use but want to use openbox and packages of my chose | 21:15 |
| bioterror | this is a wrong channel for having a installation without desktop | 21:15 |
| jam__ | bioterror, but it seems lubuntu is the only option to get a ubuntu minimal install | 21:16 |
| ianorlin | there is also the mini.iso | 21:16 |
| bioterror | !mini.iso | 21:17 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 21:17 |
| ianorlin | be aware if you want to add ppa stuff you will probably need to add software-properties-common | 21:17 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, sorry for confusing you. My problem is that I travel a lot and don't have access to internet connections other then wireless | 21:19 |
| jam__ | the debian minimal iso comes with drivers for wireless but the ubuntu don't | 21:20 |
| bioterror | today ubuntu mini.iso worked fine with my lenovo x230's wifi | 21:20 |
| ianorlin | jam__: I usually use ethernet as my wifi adapters don't work out of the box except for an really ancient G one | 21:21 |
| ianorlin | jam__: if you have two laptops and an ethernet cable with linux on them and install bridge-utils in one and set it in network manager to share with other computers is a way if wifi doesn't work as a crazy workaround | 21:21 |
| bioterror | only problem was that the hdd was recognized as sdb and installation media was sda ;) | 21:21 |
| jam__ | bioterror, I try a few month ago and then it was not possible on my hardware : ( | 21:22 |
| ianorlin | bioterror: for stuff like that I always suggest if you are dding and iso to lsblk before you dd | 21:22 |
| jam__ | ...also I rather have a iso that I just can use if something happens | 21:23 |
| bioterror | jam__, if debian works for out of box better for you, then go with it ;) | 21:24 |
| bioterror | atleast you can have a rolling system | 21:24 |
| jam__ | bioterror, I like debian but always run into issues that some apt packages are not supported | 21:25 |
| jam__ | also I want to try doing some stuff with LXC containers and debian don't support it yet | 21:25 |
| ianorlin | jam__: that is a complicated topic itself | 21:26 |
| jam__ | ianorlin, often you can find docs for how to solve stuff using Ubuntu but with debian it is harder | 21:27 |
| bioterror | they have a wiki too | 21:29 |
| bioterror | https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox/#Running_Openbox | 21:29 |
| bioterror | for example | 21:29 |
| jam__ | bioterror, running openbox is not a problem on ubuntu or debian | 21:30 |
| jam__ | ..I guess my question is if there are some documentation explaining the differences between the minimal install option on the lubuntu alternate iso the ubnutu server iso and the ubuntu mini.iso ? | 21:31 |
| jam__ | there are just to many images ! | 21:31 |
| jam__ | ...and no docs | 21:32 |
| jam__ | ok, I have to sleep now, thanks for your help | 21:35 |
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