[06:44] <Novice201y> Hello. After last reboot I see only command promt on the screen and Lubuntu doesn't load.
[07:01] <ianorlin> Novice201y: does it say grub on it?
[07:05] <Novice201y> ianorlin: No.
[07:06] <Novice201y> ianorlin: Only command promnt.
[07:06] <ianorlin> and you were not changing any settings?
[07:06] <ianorlin> which versoin of lubuntu
[07:07] <ianorlin> Novice201y: if that happens I would try to restart lightdm the display manager
[07:07] <Novice201y> ianorlin: I disabled light locker, with sleep and hibernation.
[07:07] <Novice201y> ianorlin: But, it's not possible to write anything. Only command promnt flashes.
[07:09] <Novice201y> ianorlin: I'll just reinstall whole system, cause of time.
[07:10] <Novice201y> ianorlin: Thank You for response.
[12:10] <jam__> hi all, is there any minimal CD images available?
[12:10] <jam__> I want a minimal Ubuntu system (no desktop) but the mini.iso don't let me install using wifi
[12:11] <jam__> I travel a lot and be forced to find a cable to connect to the net is not an option
[12:11] <jam__> ?
[12:13] <jam__> ...or is there a way to fix this problem? the Debian minimal image have driver for wireless connections
[12:51] <DWSR> Hey all, I did a minimal install from ISO. When I try to use a guest session, I get "No session for pid xxxx" and the guest session can't launch any installed programs. How can I fix that? Additionally, how can I customize the guest session desktop profile?
[14:39] <holstein> DWSR: you installed lubuntu-desktop ?
[14:45] <DWSR> holstein: No, minimal lubuntu. I have answered my above questions.
[14:46] <DWSR> I have lightdm logging directly into the guest-session profile and I edited failsafe.conf to remove the waiting for networking. However, when I do that, networkmanager isn't started and nm-applet won't work in the guest session. How can I fix that?
[14:48] <holstein> DWSR: what did you install? to get lubuntu?
[14:51] <DWSR> I installed from the minimal install CD and then selected the minimal lubuntu package
[14:51] <holstein> !mini
[14:51] <DWSR> So I'm pretty sure I got like LXDE and that's about it
[14:51] <DWSR> Yeah, that
[14:51] <holstein> DWSR: correct.. ^ that iso, correct?
[14:51] <DWSR> (which is exactly what I'm looking for btw.
[14:51] <holstein> DWSR: what *exact* package name? lubuntu-minimal?
[14:51] <holstein> DWSR: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-minimal?
[14:52] <DWSR> lubuntu-minimal isn't a package.
[14:52] <holstein> have you tried lubuntu-desktop? it could be, you are not using enough of lxde/lubuntu to provde the functionality you seek
[14:52] <holstein> DWSR: so, what package did you install, friend?
[14:52] <DWSR> holstein: Whatever the installer labelled as "minimal lubuntu" which I assumed wasn't actually a meta and rather a collection of other stuff.
[14:53] <holstein> DWSR: what i would do is, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.. making sure i have all updates installed.. then, i would do. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[14:53] <DWSR> I am specifically NOT installed lubuntu-desktop.
[14:54] <DWSR> s/installed/installing/
[14:54] <holstein> ok
[14:54] <holstein> !bug
[14:54] <DWSR> These are low-spec laptops to be used as loaners.
[14:54] <holstein> sure.. but, that wont make the laptops any faster
[14:54] <holstein> and, its still lxde.. and arbuably, more appropriate, and easier to use, since, its made for a normal desktop setup
[14:55] <DWSR> I don't want a "normal desktop setup" This is supposed to be an internet browser with a keyboard and mouse attached.
[14:56] <holstein> installing "lubuntu-desktop" wont prevent that..
[14:56] <DWSR> It requires more work to remove the crap I don't need than to just work through the things I do need. I literally have one last issue to deal with, and that's networkmanager not starting when Plymouth is skipped.
[14:57] <holstein> DWSR: cool.. start is  system wide, *before* login
[14:57] <holstein> it*
[14:57] <bioterror> with all that effort you could just install normal lubuntu installation and make a iamge of it with clonezilla. and when the laptop returns, just put the clone image back again
[14:57] <DWSR> holstein: Right. I'm confused as to why editing failsafe.conf to skip the network check caused networkmanager to stop starting
[14:58] <DWSR> bioterror: lol, not imaging these laptops. They're literally 0 maintenance. When they die, they're in the garbage.
[14:58] <holstein> DWSR: im not sure how the operating system you installed works.. i have never personally used that setup in the mini iso, and TBH,  i have no idea who maintains it, or, what packages/configs you have
[14:58] <DWSR> We have O365, so we have cloud storage and Office online. These are for using those when you spill liquid all over your laptop and it's in for service.
[14:58] <holstein> nothing about installing main lubuntu uprevents what you are stating you need
[14:58] <DWSR> holstein: The package is lubuntu-core.
[14:59] <bioterror> DWSR, i like that! some punishment for the spillers ;)
[14:59] <DWSR> bioterror: More like a life-line.
[14:59] <DWSR> But yeah, a bit of that too.
[15:00] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/312594/enable-network-for-guest-session-in-lubuntu-12-04
[15:00] <holstein> ^suggests making sure the network is avaiable for all users, for the guest to access networking
[15:01] <holstein> otherwise, you may prefer just disabling the guest session. since you want to remove features..
[15:02] <bioterror> I have one lenovo x230 lying around. I could try mini iso + fetching packages
[15:02] <DWSR> holstein: I want to only use the guest account because it's not allowed to save files anywhere but its own profile folder, which disappears after logout.
[15:03] <DWSR> holstein: Which is EXACTLY the functionality I want. Like I said, this is literally a web browser with a mouse, keyboard, and monitor attached to it.
[15:03] <DWSR> I do not want users to have the ability to do anything else.
[15:03] <bioterror> so you want it in a kiosk mode
[15:03] <DWSR> Yeah. I'm basically already there.
[15:04] <bioterror> did you download 15.04 or older?
[15:05] <DWSR> 14.04
[15:06] <holstein> this actually looks mostly how i would do that https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[15:07] <holstein> i have, in the past, tried read-only home, and other kiosk modes, and freeze setups.. and lockdowns..
[15:07] <holstein> i find, they all have compromises.. but,  with linux, if i just give whomever needs it an actual user account, that works fine
[15:08] <holstein> depending on the situation.. but, if in that scenario, Tammy spils a beer in the lenovo, i make her user Tammy on the machine, and its not an admin user.. that seemed to work best, for situations where the machine is not sitting in plublic
[15:09] <holstein> othherwise, the workflow of giving a person a guest account to "live in", was just too different from what they were used to, i found
[15:09] <DWSR> holstein: Guess they shouldn't spill beer on their work laptop.
[15:10] <holstein> well, thats the scneario that you are faced with.. im just stating what my experiences were implementing linux places..
[15:10] <holstein> for folks that dont use linux..
[15:11] <DWSR> holstein: That's why this is literally a 1 button wonder. Chrome icon is familiar to them, Chrome is familiar to them, and the shutdown button is familiar to them.
[15:11] <DWSR> It turns on, off and opens Chrome. It's super purpose built for this.
[15:11] <holstein> sure.. its just for me, a "normal" install of whatever os, in this case, main lubuntu, which takes about 6 minutes, then, setting a sudo user, then, creating whatever user is needed, and things "just work" worked best for me
[15:11] <DWSR> I don't want editing office docs in LO, I don't want any of that. It's "You will live in this web browser and access everything through the web".
[15:11] <holstein> but, YMMV..
[15:12] <holstein> if the current machines work that way, then, i say, thats a good setup for them
[15:23] <bioterror> installing the lubuntu minimal from mini iso
[15:23] <bioterror> I got a good reason to wipe that drive ;)
[15:23] <holstein> i have only ever installed from mini, and added packages later..
[15:24] <holstein> if thats an "official" iso, we probably have test cases for that stuff somewhere.. in qa testing
[15:24] <bioterror> that has a nice frontend to choose what to install
[15:24] <holstein> its really quite nice..
[15:26] <DWSR> Does Lubuntu display a warning about guest sessions by default?
[15:26] <DWSR> I know Ubuntu does.
[15:26] <bioterror> nice
[15:27] <bioterror> that installation found my USB drive as sda and that ssd is sdb, now grub tries to install on sda
[15:27] <DWSR> bioterror: Yeah, I had that problem as well. Quick grub-install once I booted solved it. Still annoying that it enumerates USB first
[15:30] <DWSR> literally the only problem I'm having right now is NetworkManager isn't correctly bringing up the network if I disabled the timeout for the network on boot
[15:30] <DWSR> everything else is exactly as desired.
[15:38] <DWSR> Oh, interesting.
[15:38] <DWSR> So NetworkManager starts correctly after like 2 minutes?
[15:39] <holstein> i dont know what the guest accout does with wifi access points the main account hasnt joined
[15:41] <DWSR> Hrm, can't join anything or add any networks
[15:42] <holstein> thats what i would expect, from the guest account
[15:42] <holstein> that was another reason, i decided a normal user was "best".. also, the guest cant mount USB sticks, AFAIK
[15:43] <holstein> and, that will be the only way to "save" things that arent online.. and also, wiping the saved passwords, etc, from the browser config
[15:43] <DWSR> holstein: Again, that is in fact the point. No interacting with local resources. At all.
[15:43] <holstein> then, thats what you have :)
[15:44] <holstein> or, thats what the users get.. unless they are savvy..
[15:45] <DWSR> holstein: Doubtful, unless they're booting from USB, which we're probably going to disable in the BIOS anyway
[15:46] <holstein> in the recovery kernel, from boot, the sudo password can be reset.. basically, if you can "touch" the hardware, all bets are off..
[15:46] <holstein> but, im sure thats not the main concern..
[15:47] <DWSR> holstein: Oh sure, but if they're that smart, they're also smart enough to understand that you should have sealable containers of liquid near your computer.
[15:47] <holstein> im just trying to save you some time, trying to work around things that are easily broken..
[17:04] <DWSR> Is ubuntu using upstart, or what are we using now?
[17:05] <holstein> 14.04 was upstart, AFAIK
[17:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers should have the facts, DWSR
[21:03] <jam__> hi all, I have installed the minimal version of lubuntu (using the alternate cd and then selecting F4) the problem is I don't really know what I been installing?
[21:04] <ianorlin> jam__: hmm I am not sure that is tested that much
[21:05] <jam__> ianorlin, what you mean?  you think it is something nobody use?
[21:06] <ianorlin> I am not sure how many use it
[21:06] <ianorlin> you can get everything with installing lubuntu-desktop
[21:07] <jam__> ianorlin, what I try to do is to get a minimal ubuntu install without any desktop
[21:07] <ianorlin> ah ok that is probably what it will do
[21:07] <ianorlin> jam__: I think you can get even more minimal witht eh ubuntu server iso for minimal virtual machine
[21:08] <bioterror> not that huge difference between server and and minimal
[21:09] <ianorlin> although just make sure you don't think it will complete install at the enter http proxy stage
[21:09] <jam__> bioterror, the problem is I can't figure out what the differences is.
[21:10] <jam__> how do I know all security stuff are implemented or not then there are no documentation?
[21:10] <ianorlin> I don't think minimal comes with a firewall
[21:11] <ianorlin> you can install one with apt
[21:11] <ianorlin> there also isn't apparmor on by defualt
[21:11] <ianorlin> security is a compilcated area in its own right but isn't a product but a process
[21:12] <ianorlin> I don't think minimal runs any services by defualt
[21:12] <bioterror> technically for what you would need that anyways, I mean firewall on *nix machine
[21:12] <jam__> ianorlin, I don't really trust myself installing that kind of stuff
[21:12] <bioterror> you dont have any ports open to world by default, unless you start installing stuff
[21:13] <ianorlin> jam__: what do you plan on using this minimal install for?
[21:14] <jam__> I guess I want a minimal distro without any application or desktop but all the security packages preinstalled and configured
[21:15] <jam__> ianorlin, I want to use it for my everyday desktop use but want to use openbox and packages of my chose
[21:15] <bioterror> this is a wrong channel for having a installation without desktop
[21:16] <jam__> bioterror, but it seems lubuntu is the only option to get a ubuntu minimal install
[21:16] <ianorlin> there is also the mini.iso
[21:17] <bioterror> !mini.iso
[21:17] <ianorlin> be aware if you want to add ppa stuff you will probably need to add software-properties-common
[21:19] <jam__> ianorlin, sorry for confusing you. My problem is that I travel a lot and don't have access to internet connections other then wireless
[21:20] <jam__> the debian minimal iso comes with drivers for wireless but the ubuntu don't
[21:20] <bioterror> today ubuntu mini.iso worked fine with my lenovo x230's wifi
[21:21] <ianorlin> jam__: I usually use ethernet as my wifi adapters don't work out of the box except for an really ancient G one
[21:21] <ianorlin> jam__: if you have two laptops and an ethernet cable with linux on them and install bridge-utils in one and set it in network manager to share with other computers is a way if wifi doesn't work as a crazy workaround
[21:21] <bioterror> only problem was that the hdd was recognized as sdb and installation media was sda ;)
[21:22] <jam__> bioterror, I try a few month ago and then it was not possible on my hardware  :  (
[21:22] <ianorlin> bioterror: for stuff like that I always suggest if you are dding and iso to lsblk before you dd
[21:23] <jam__> ...also I rather have a iso that I just can use if something happens
[21:24] <bioterror> jam__, if debian works for out of box better for you, then go with it ;)
[21:24] <bioterror> atleast you can have a rolling system
[21:25] <jam__> bioterror, I like debian but always run into issues that some apt packages are not supported
[21:25] <jam__> also I want to try doing some stuff with LXC containers and debian don't support it yet
[21:26] <ianorlin> jam__: that is a complicated topic itself
[21:27] <jam__> ianorlin, often you can find docs for how to solve stuff using Ubuntu but with debian it is harder
[21:29] <bioterror> they have a wiki too
[21:29] <bioterror> https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox/#Running_Openbox
[21:29] <bioterror> for example
[21:30] <jam__> bioterror, running openbox is not a problem on ubuntu or debian
[21:31] <jam__> ..I guess my question is if there are some documentation explaining the differences between the minimal install option on the lubuntu alternate iso the ubnutu server iso and the ubuntu mini.iso  ?
[21:31] <jam__> there are just to many images !
[21:32] <jam__> ...and no docs
[21:35] <jam__> ok, I have to sleep now, thanks for your help