[00:07] <Von_> Hullo!
[00:07] <Von_> Anybody here to whom I can ask a question about the UT messaging app?
[00:09] <nhaines> !question
[00:09] <Von_> Splendid! Will do! Newb to IRC, etc. etc..
[00:09] <nhaines> Although most of the core developers went to bed about 5 hours ago.  Or at least got off work. :)
[00:10] <nhaines> No worries, it's why there's a stock reply.  :)
[00:13] <Von_> Okie, so. I've written a small program that sends text messages from a computer, using the SMS modem on a UT device over an SSH connection; everything works fine, except that when I update the SQLite3 db with the new text messages, they are displayed in the messaging app as having been sent one hour into the future.
[00:14] <Von_> My guess is that the db stores times unadjusted for British Summer Time.
[00:14] <Von_> !question
[00:15] <nhaines> I'd be really surprised if the database didn't store everything in UTC.
[00:16] <Von_> Aha - so then it's probably adjusting for local time on the fly, and I've compensated wrong!
[00:16] <Von_> That makes sense, and is what I thought - but I couldn't find anything in the code to suggest it was doing that.
[00:17] <Von_> (But then that's hardly surprising, as C++ practically looks like heiroglyphics to me..)
[00:17] <nhaines> Unix uses UTC as internal time and local time is more of a display preference.  :)
[00:18] <nhaines> On the bright side, think about how much easier that makes your job!
[00:18] <Von_> Brilliant. Thanks for the tip!
[00:18] <Von_> But..
[00:19] <Von_> if Unix uses UTC - who the devil uses Unix Time?
[00:19] <nhaines> Unix time is just UTC represented in seconds since January 1st, 1970.
[00:19] <Von_> Oh, so they're perfectly in sync, even w/ leap seconds etc?
[00:19] <nhaines> Which is why the apocalypse happens in 2038.
[00:20] <nhaines> I'm not certain Unix time accounts for leap seconds.  You'll want to look into that if something you're doing requires that kind of precision.
[00:20] <Von_> Haha! I've always thought of it similar to the 2012 Mayan prophecies; more of an archeological bit-depth problem than a doomsday..
[00:21] <nhaines> Well then you'll never excel at writing sensationalistic headlines, haha.
[00:22] <Von_> I don't really need precision, I was just idly wondering. Although I guess there will come a time when Unix time becomes useless, if UTC keeps getting leap seconds and UT never does, right?
[00:23] <nhaines> No more than any other local clocks.  Your wall clock doesn't account for leap seconds, but it still shows the right time.
[00:23] <nhaines> I think in Unix time leap seconds either repeat or the second doubles in length.  Something like that.
[00:23] <nhaines> So it's not that the current time is wrong, it's more that behavior during the leapsecond is undefined.
[00:24] <Von_> Ah, cool. That's not what I came here to ask, obvs..but it's really handy to know! Ta very much!
[00:25] <nhaines> Glad to help.  :)
[00:44] <maggots> need help with app
[00:45] <nhaines> !question
[00:46] <maggots> basically i have a web app built for protonmail but having trouble building for ubuntu phone what do i need to do?
[00:46] <maggots> to build and publish the app
[00:47] <maggots> i get this error :  :-1: error: desktop_Exec_webapp_args_required (Protonmail): must specify one of --webappUrlPatterns or --webappModelSearchPath
[00:49] <nhaines> Paste the Exec: line from your .desktop file.
[00:49] <maggots> Exec=webapp-container --store-session-cookies webappUrlPatterns=https?://protonmail.ch/locked* https?://protonmail.ch/inbox* https://protonmail.ch/login
[00:49] <maggots> i'm very confused
[00:50] <nhaines> You forgot the dashes in "--webappUrlPatterns"
[00:50] <popey> you missed --
[00:50] <popey> ah, beat me :)
[00:51] <maggots> thanks thats working now
[00:51] <nhaines> \o/
[00:51] <popey> *\o/*
[00:53] <maggots> i'm still having problems when you login to proton mail it open another window in mozilla  how do i stop this?
[00:53] <popey> is it a facebook or google login?
[00:53] <popey> or local to that site?
[00:54] <maggots> no it's a separate login
[00:54] <maggots> local to site
[00:54] <popey> also, you probably want a comma
[00:54] <popey> between https?://protonmail.ch/locked* and https?://protonmail.ch/inbox*
[00:54] <popey> also
[00:54] <popey> i wouldn't put /inbox and /locked there, but just /*
[00:55]  * popey heads to bed
[00:58] <maggots> the problem is it opens the links in mozilla not the webapp itself
[00:58] <maggots> how do i set it up so it browses the whole site in the webapp
[01:02] <maggots> i have never felt so alone
[05:06] <maggots> need an example of how to use multiple pages with webapps
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <Guest97237> did anyone managed to port to iphone 4?
[07:31] <robin-hero> Is somebody know when will a new version of the File Manager app release? The latest version is from February.
[07:32] <ARKAMR> port to iphone4 hardware? anyone?
[07:44] <OerHeks> ARKAMR, one day we will, today highly unlikely
[07:48] <dholbach> popey, ^ do you haven an answer for robin-hero?
[07:54] <ARKAMR> Tnx OerHeks
[08:51] <lk> Hi
[08:53] <lk> always strange to ask for help in IRC, but anyway...
[08:53] <robin-hero> Hi all! I want to build a click package, but got this error: WARNING:root:Ignoring missing framework "ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html" How can I install this framework?
[08:53] <lk> after the latest upgrade of ubuntu touch on my aquaris e4.5, there's no internet connection when on mobile
[08:54] <robin-hero> I use Ubuntu 14.04, is this a problem?
[08:54] <lk> with wifi, it works
[08:54] <popey> robin-hero: do you have the sdk ppa added?
[08:54] <robin-hero> no, it is neccesary?
[08:55] <davmor2> robin-hero: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[08:55] <popey> yes
[08:55] <davmor2> robin-hero: you will see straight away that it recommends installing from the ppa not the repo
[08:56] <davmor2> robin-hero: don't worry I did the exact same thing yesterday too :)
[08:57] <robin-hero> I added the ppa, update and upgrade, but there aren't new packages available
[08:57] <robin-hero> I use this command for the click build: click build appname/
[08:57] <popey> what version of click?
[08:57] <popey> apt-cache policy click
[08:57] <robin-hero> popey: 0.4.39.1+15.10.20150702-0~461~ubuntu14.04.1
[08:58] <popey> do you see in /usr/share/click/frameworks/ ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/11958461/  <- that?
[09:00] <robin-hero> popey: no
[09:00] <popey> can you paste your "ls /usr/share/click/frameworks/" ?
[09:01] <robin-hero> ubuntu-sdk-13.10.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi-dev1.framework ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml.framework
[09:01] <robin-hero> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11958471/
[09:01] <popey> interesting
[09:01] <popey> zbenjamin: ^
[09:01] <popey> is this expected
[09:01] <popey> you may need to use a chroot in which to build your app - a 15.04 one would be best
[09:02] <robin-hero> popey: And how can I use this? :)
[09:02] <popey> inside the sdk
[09:03] <zbenjamin> popey: i guess it is, if you have a old click that does not know that framework version
[09:03] <zbenjamin> robin-hero: do you use the SDK ppa?
[09:03] <popey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/click-targets-and-device-kits/
[09:03] <zbenjamin> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[09:03] <popey> zbenjamin: he has click 0.4.39.1+15.10.20150702-0~461~ubuntu14.04.1
[09:03] <popey> which seems up to date
[09:04] <robin-hero> zbenjamin: yes, I added ppa.
[09:05] <ogra_> robin-hero, you surely want the 15.04 framework defined in your click metadata, 14.10 is obsolete
[09:06] <ogra_> (regardless of the install on disk i mean, your package should request 15.04)
[09:06] <popey> but he doesn't have 15.04 in /usr/share/click/frameworks
[09:06] <popey> so that wont work either
[09:06] <ogra_> it will
[09:06] <popey> how?
[09:06] <ogra_> unless html frameworks work different now
[09:06] <ogra_> it is just a warning, the click doesnt care
[09:07] <ogra_> as long as he doesnt compile anything and as long as the defined framework is on the install target there wont be a problem
[09:07] <robin-hero> ogra: oh, I'll try it, thanks
[09:08] <ogra_> if you have native Qt stuff, then the framework counts on the build machine
[09:09] <popey> ok
[09:09] <robin-hero> ogra: Copied to the phone, but I got error: Cannot install. Signature vertication error. does not appear to be a deb format package.
[09:09] <popey> how are you installing?
[09:09] <popey> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click
[09:10] <robin-hero> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted app.click
[09:10] <robin-hero> yeas
[09:10] <robin-hero> *h
[09:10] <popey> no sudo?
[09:10] <ogra_> doesnt need sudo :)
[09:10] <popey> thats why I am asking
[09:10] <ogra_> ah
[09:10] <robin-hero> no
[09:10] <popey> what device you installing on?
[09:11] <popey> or, just put the click somewhere and we can poke at it :)
[09:11] <ogra_> :)
[09:11] <robin-hero> Shit I copied the wrong file :D
[09:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Rain Day! 😃
[09:11] <ogra_> haha
[09:11] <robin-hero> It installed well :D
[09:12] <popey> \o/
[09:16] <dednick> anyone: is there any way to instruct the device to turn on display with lightdm stopped?
[09:17] <ogra_> did you try powerd-cli ?
[09:18] <ogra_> it should at least control the backlight, even without lightdm/unity
[09:21] <dednick> ogra_: requires unity-system-compositor
[09:21] <dednick> apparently
[09:21] <ogra_> ah, crap
[09:21] <ogra_> then i dont know an option ... perhaps there is something in /sys you can poke
[09:27] <dednick> ogra_: ta. looks like /sys/class/backlight/.. has a brightness option which works.
[09:27] <ogra_> :)
[09:31] <lk> Anybody got an idea where to start looking when there's no internet while on mobile?
[09:31] <lk> ifconfig shows only lo, no other active device
[09:33] <ogra_> lk, is that on nexus4 ?
[09:33] <lk> no, aquaris e4.5
[09:33] <lk> it worked before
[09:33] <ogra_> sil2100, jibel ^^^ (not the first time i hear that today)
[09:34] <lk> around the last system update, i've got no internet for most of the time
[09:34] <sil2100> What channel are you running on your device?
[09:34] <lk> channel?
[09:35] <ogra_> heh
[09:35]  * ogra_ guesses the default if you have to ask :)
[09:35] <lk> sorry, I don't understand
[09:35] <jibel> lk, are you using a retail phone and recently upgraded to OTA5?
[09:35] <lk> yes, retail phone, I did not install myself
[09:35] <lk> the system proposed an update and I just accepted
[09:36] <jibel> ok
[09:36] <ogra_> did the mako fix go out to all devices or just mako ?
[09:37] <lk> 15.04 (r24) if that's helpful
[09:37] <lk> 20150713
[09:37] <lk> 20150713-202300
[09:37] <jibel> ogra_, just mako
[09:37] <ogra_> hmm
[09:38] <simosx> lk, would your issue be like 'I normally get mobile data on the phone, but sometimes it loses the connection and does not want to reconnect to mobile data'?
[09:38] <jibel> lk, in system-settings / phone is cellular data enabled
[09:38] <lk> well, that was the case before the update
[09:38] <jibel> system-settings / cellular
[09:38] <jibel> sorry
[09:38] <lk> now it's 'normally I do not have mobile data, only if I try very hard, then I have for about 10 seconds, then it's off again'
[09:39] <lk> yes, the mobile data is enabled
[09:39] <lk> I tried disabled, enabled again, multiple times
[09:42] <lk> I also have the terminal app, so I could check out things below the GUI, I just don't know where to start
[09:42] <ogra_> do you have wifi enabled ?
[09:42] <ogra_> (in general i mean)
[09:42] <lk> yes
[09:43] <lk> but then, I normally are in airplane mode (or what is it called in English) and re-enable wifi
[09:43] <lk> when I leave my flat, I turn mobile on
[09:44] <lk> and wifi is disabled automatically
[09:44] <lk> ...normally _am_ ...
[09:47] <mcphail> Can anyone point me to the bug MX4 users were reporting about the battery indicator being wrong? I think I'm having the same issue with krillin
[09:48] <ogra_> i think sturmflut opened a bu for that
[09:48] <ogra_> *bug
[09:48]  * ogra_ doesnt remember the # though :/
[09:52] <mcphail> I'll keep hunting. Cheers
[09:54] <morphis> seb128, charles, cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/ubuntu-system-settings/bt-always-do-async-calls/+merge/266201
[09:54] <seb128> morphis, thanks
[09:55] <morphis> seb128: tested already and didn't found any regressions yet
[09:55] <seb128> morphis, nice!
[10:00] <jibel> mcphail, there is bug 1476476
[10:01] <jibel> and bug 1476468
[10:01]  * mcphail checks
[10:04] <lk> ogra: thanks so far, I've gotta go. I'll keep searching for a solution.
[10:05] <lk> bye all
[10:05] <mcphail> jibel: those are interesting reports, but probably the inverse of my current issue. Something seems seriously awry with the battery stats, doesn't it?
[10:07]  * mcphail has a phone claiming 40% charge, but auto-powering off. Red LED when connecting to charger and not permitting power back on until 10 minutes of charge.
[10:08] <jibel> bug 1469369 was reported by sturmflut but it is specific to arale
[10:08] <jibel> mcphail, what is your issue?
[10:09] <jibel> mcphail, ah yeah might be the reading is wrong
[10:10] <jibel> there is bug for that but cannot find it
[10:10] <mcphail> jibel: my phone had auto-powered off yesterday and the day before. Wouldn't power back on. Plugged in charger and gor red LED (low power warning) and the "power off charge level" screen showing 40%. Pressing power button gave the green "too low to power on screen". Waited 10 minutes and tried again when phone booted normally. Battery indicator showed 39%
[10:11] <jibel> bug 1471913
[10:11] <mcphail> that sounds like it...
[10:13] <mcphail> I'll pick my way through this. The odd thing is that the phone _should_ still have had about 40% charge, judging by the way it has behaved in the past
[10:17] <ogra_> jibel, there was some deeper analysis from sturmflut than that comment in the bug ... about a discrepancy he found with the liitle kernel vs the booted one ... but i can not find it (was probably a blog post though)
[10:17] <jibel> ogra_, yeah, I remember but I cannot find it either
[10:19] <mcphail> It is a big problem for me just now - making my phone unusable for work. Is sturmflut away this week?
[10:19] <ogra_> not sure
[10:20] <mcphail> I can switch my SIM into an old android phone, and use my bq for debugging this problem. Does anyone know the correct way to measure battery stats?
[10:39] <popey> mcphail: cking_ has some tools I believe
[10:42] <svij> mcphail: sturmflut is away for the next ~1,5 weeks
[10:42] <ogra_> german vacation month starts :)
[10:43] <cking_> mcphail, powerstat
[11:42] <sil2100> alf: hey! Regarding silo 30
[11:43] <sil2100> alf: is it deliberate that the silo is wily-only and not a dual landing?
[11:43] <mcphail> cking_: popey: thanks - will check it out
[11:43] <alf> sil2100: yes, because mir 0.14 which is required by unity-system-compositor has not landed to vivid+overlay yet
[11:44] <mcphail> svij: ogra_: thanks - I'll catch up with him after his holidays
[11:59] <ogra_> funn, i wonder why all my apps always have at least one download from the UK
[11:59]  * ogra_ bets thats popey mirroring the store :) 
[12:03] <popey> :)
[12:04] <popey> at least nobody ever has zero downloads :)
[12:04] <ogra_> hah
[12:06] <popey> should hit ~2000 apps in the store in a month or so
[12:06] <mcphail> what is the most-downloaded app? Is there a publically viewable score?
[12:06]  * ogra_ doesnt think so 
[12:07] <mcphail> shame - should have a league table, even if the raw download figures are redacted
[12:07] <popey> music
[12:07] <ogra_> popey, non-preinstalled apps :P
[12:07] <popey> and I think terminal is up there in the top 10
[12:07] <popey> oh terminal then
[12:07] <ogra_> yeah
[12:07] <ogra_> cant really count preinstalled ones i think
[12:08] <popey> ok, then the next interesting one is, first 3rd party one
[12:09] <ogra_> yeah
[12:09] <ogra_> MvM ?
[12:09] <ogra_> or uTorch ?
[12:13] <popey> probably dekko
[12:13] <popey> oh, or torch, yeah.
[12:13] <popey> some with lots of downloads are just because they were in the store early on
[12:14] <ogra_> yeah
[12:16] <ogra_> woah
[12:16] <ogra_> my phone just rebooted
[12:16] <ogra_> out of the blue
[12:17] <DanChapman> dekko has 18000 downloads in 5 months 3 weeks. It would be more but changing the namespace reset it back to 0
[12:17] <ogra_> how many users ?
[12:17] <ogra_> (top left of the graph)
[12:18] <ogra_> (my G+ app has 1300 downloads but 850 reported users)
[12:18] <DanChapman> 6240 ( oops i thought i'd include that)
[12:18] <mcphail> DanChapman: some of us compile our own :)
[12:19] <popey> the gps navigation app is quite high too
[12:21] <DanChapman> the latest version (0.5.6) has seen 4157 downloads in the 12 days since release. Quite pleased with that :-)
[12:22] <DanChapman> mcphail: out of curiosity why would you compile your own? :-D
[12:26] <mcphail> DanChapman: compile for desktop at same time
[12:27] <mcphail> (although I think I have the store version installed just now as I was a bit lazy)
[12:28] <ogra_> you slacker !
[12:28] <ogra_> :P
[12:28] <mcphail> ha!
[12:46] <DanChapman> mcphail: fair enough :-)
[12:47] <nocturn> Hi all, what happened to the 'friends' qml app on Touch?
[12:47] <popey> wow, thats a blast from the past
[12:48] <popey> was dropped nearly a year ago
[12:49] <nocturn> popey, why?
[12:51] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1340869
[12:53] <nocturn> Ok, that is a bit of a shame
[12:53] <nocturn> Looked good
[12:55] <nocturn> Will there not be any background services?  How will the phone have applictions that need a persistent connection like a jabber client?\
[13:01] <nocturn> Has notify-send also been removed from Touch?
[13:03] <popey> dont think it was ever there. there's probably a dbus thing you can poke
[13:03] <popey> MacSlow: will know
[13:03] <MacSlow> nocturn, popey: it's at least not installed by default...
[13:04] <nocturn> popey, Some old stack exchange workarounds used it
[13:04] <nocturn> MacSlow, is there an alternative?
[13:05] <MacSlow> nocturn, popey: but it's still part of main in wily
[13:05] <popey> but not on the phone.
[13:06] <MacSlow> nocturn: that's what "apt-cache policy" is telling me... but I'm not on a stock phone-image to be honest
[13:06] <nocturn> MacSlow, it is not there on the default OTA-5 image
[13:06] <MacSlow> nocturn, if you want to fire some notifications take a look at lp:unity-notifications/examples
[13:07] <MacSlow> nocturn, there several python-based examples firing all kinds of notifications... take and adapt what you need
[13:07] <popey> nice one, thanks MacSlow
[13:07] <MacSlow> nocturn, if that's an option for you
[13:07] <nocturn> thanks MacSlow!
[13:08] <nocturn> MacSlow, python is also not default on the phone
[13:08] <popey> it is
[13:08] <popey> python3
[13:08] <MacSlow> nocturn, I've also several videos showing off the different examples and what they result in...https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXvTBWcnTI1M1n66KdFJRyakGlANTTbfQ
[13:09] <MacSlow> nocturn, popey: yup python3
[13:09] <nocturn> I see
[13:09] <nocturn> I typed python
[13:09] <nocturn> no result ... sorry
[13:09] <nocturn> python3 works
[13:09] <nocturn> How cool is that!
[13:09] <mcphail> nocturn: very
[13:10] <MacSlow> nocturn, have a play with those... and if any questions remain just poke me here
[13:12] <MacSlow> pete-woods, charles: hey folks... thanks for the review
[13:12] <pete-woods> MacSlow: no worries :)
[13:13] <MacSlow> pete-woods, charles: I guess next release needs a few more branches before it's worthwhile, right?
[13:15] <pete-woods> MacSlow: I don't see the harm in releasing now
[13:16] <morphis> cyphermox: any idea why hcidump isn't in the archive anymore? last release I see it in is trusty
[13:21] <MacSlow> pete-woods, who's doing that... anyone assigned in particluar?
[13:21] <pete-woods> MacSlow: nope
[13:24] <MacSlow> pete-woods, ok... I'll try to do it before the weekend then.
[13:25] <pete-woods> MacSlow: sounds good to me :)
[13:27] <morphis> rsalveti: was there a reason why all aosp devices have their kernel build as part of the archive?
[13:33] <cyphermox> morphis: bluez-hcidump
[13:34] <morphis> cyphermox: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hcidump&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[13:34] <morphis> just precise and trusty
[13:36] <cyphermox> heh, how about that
[13:36] <cyphermox> an oversight I guess
[13:38] <rsalveti> morphis: mostly because the kernel team maintains them
[13:38] <rsalveti> so we decided to use the usual flow
[13:38] <rsalveti> which implies having them available in the archive and so on
[13:38] <morphis> cyphermox: hm
[13:39] <morphis> rsalveti: ok
[13:47] <chrisXYZ> id like to buy a ubuntu phone. where can i a list of software for ubuntu phone? Or a repository?
[13:47] <chrisXYZ> can i find
[13:47] <nocturn> MacSlow, I get an error saying no module named pynotify
[13:49] <popey> chrisXYZ: unofficial web frontend to the store:- https://uappexplorer.com/
[13:51] <MacSlow> nocturn, you need packages python-notify and for some python3-notify2
[13:51] <chrisXYZ> thx, beside apps, can i run any non-gui programms like sshd or a webserver?
[13:51] <nocturn> MacSlow, with apt-get?  Won't that break OTA updates?
[13:53] <MacSlow> nocturn, well these bits are not really intended for the regular user so there's no way around it
[14:00] <chrisXYZ> so there is apt-get? using which repo?
[14:25] <mcphail> Is the windows-10 convergence phone/desktop thingy actually working? Is it more or less functional the the Ubuntu equivalent?
[14:27] <popey> didnt think it had been released yet
[14:27] <kenvandine> today or tomorrow i think
[14:31] <mcphail> bbc news: http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/160AD/production/_84458209_de00377d-32f3-4bbc-895a-7f16bfdd6a9a.jpg
[14:31] <davmor2> kenvandine: windows10 is released now but the phones with 10 on not till later this year aiui
[14:42] <nocturn> Does windows phone still exist?  I thought it was cancelled
[14:43] <nocturn> Both windows phone owners will be happy
[14:43] <nocturn> :-)
[15:23] <R0b0t1> hi, where are the details w.r.t. running ubuntu on a lumia 1020?
[15:25] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:25] <k1l_> not in that list.
[15:27] <mcphail> R0b0t1: does your device have a working AOSP or Cyanogenmod image, complete with Andorid drivers? If not, it is unlikely you will get Ubuntu working on it. I presume the device is a Windows phone?
[15:27] <R0b0t1> Yes. There is a video of one running ubuntu, thus my interest.
[15:28] <k1l_> that looks more like a chroot thingy
[15:28] <R0b0t1> Anyway, I presume most of the hardware had been used at some point in android devices - there's actually some HTC devices, e.g, that were released with both.
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> R0b0t1: try the XDA forum, they might have some project running
[15:29] <R0b0t1> k1l_: really?
[15:29] <R0b0t1> lotuspsychje: I had been
[15:29] <k1l_> R0b0t1: i think you are underestimating the effort to get drivers running on ARM
[15:30] <R0b0t1> I'm not, I have a few development boards.
[15:30] <ogra_> s/ARM/badly documented hardware/
[15:31] <R0b0t1> I also wouldn't expect *all* of it to work necessarily, I'm more interested on how they got an alternative OS loaded, if that happened
[15:31] <ogra_> (i doubt porting to an intel phone would be any easier :) )
[15:31] <k1l_> R0b0t1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-phone-8/development/lumia-1020-running-ubuntu-os-spotted-t2991884
[15:31] <k1l_> please read that thread
[15:32] <R0b0t1> HAH
[15:32] <R0b0t1> okay
[15:32] <R0b0t1> that explains my confusion, the impossible didn't actually happen :^)
[15:32] <R0b0t1> thanks
[16:37] <mcphail> bai1eyzz: that memory has been free'd at line 271, so you can't use that pointer even though it is not NULL
[16:37] <mcphail> whoops - sorry for spam
[16:39] <kenvandine> mandel, debugging this issue with the u1 credential, it's weird
[16:39] <kenvandine> if i change my u1 password, it gets a 200 response with "Unknown Error"
[16:40] <kenvandine> mandel, that seems wrong to me
[16:40] <kenvandine> i'd think we'd get a 401
[16:42] <GAM002> whats the chances that my phone would explode if i root and try to install ubuntu on to my non supported  android one phone?
[16:43] <kenvandine> GAM002, it's very hardware specific, so it won't boot
[16:43] <GAM002> kenvandine: well what you think that the chances of that to happen?
[16:44] <kenvandine> most certainly
[16:44] <kenvandine> you really need an image for your device
[16:44] <kenvandine> there are many reasons why it won't work at all
[16:44] <kenvandine> i'm sorry to say
[16:48] <GAM002> and how can i know if my phones hardware support ubuntu? i use android one which is nexus alternative for people who cant affort and its sold in lots of nations by google
[16:49] <GAM002> http://www.android.com/one/
[16:55] <GAM002> ?
[16:56] <ogra_> GAM002, someone would have to port ubuntu to it
[16:56] <ogra_> (there is a link to the porting guide in the channel topic)
[16:59] <GAM002> ogra_: do i need to learn to code to do that?
[16:59] <GAM002> ogra_: can you tell me what are the essentials in doing the porting
[16:59] <ogra_> GAM002, yes, and you need to know quite a bit about both systems (android and ubuntu)
[17:00] <mcphail> GAM002: looks as if the Android One is actually several different devices by several different manufacturers, or am I reading that incorrectly?
[17:00] <ogra_> the essentialy are to take the android source, rip out everything thats not needed to drive the hardware and then make a build of this that ubuntu can use for oits hardware layer
[17:00] <ogra_> *essentials
[17:00] <GAM002> mcphail: well its given out by different  manufacturs to distribute but they all have same hardware guided by google
[17:01] <mcphail> GAM002: aah - ok
[17:01] <GAM002> mcphail: manufacture just assemble and distribute
[17:01] <mcphail> GAM002: sounds like a good target for Ubuntu, then
[17:02] <GAM002> mcphail: ya it have pretty good specs and very low price and google only give 2 years of update for it
[17:03] <GAM002> 1GB ram,8 mp camera ,4GB memory internal..etc price about 100 usd
[17:03] <GAM002> $
[17:03] <ogra_> 4GB ?
[17:03] <ogra_> does it have an SD slot ?
[17:03] <GAM002> and they have interduced gen 2 of the device in india.
[17:03] <GAM002> ya
[17:03] <GAM002> ofc it have sD
[17:04] <ogra_> well, thats not typical for google devices :)
[17:04] <ogra_> the ubuntu phones should soon go on sale in india i heard
[17:05] <GAM002> ogra_: :) they just interduced it to give a cheap and affortable nexus like phone to low income nations
[17:05] <popey> Yeah, still android though.
[17:06] <GAM002> ogra_: wow thats good news I just hope it doesnt go too high on price
[17:06] <popey> should be out within a few weeks, it's currently delayed by regulatory approval
[17:07] <GAM002> so its 100% ubuntu?
[17:07] <popey> it has a little bit of android for the drivers
[17:07] <popey> but the rest is ubuntu
[17:07] <GAM002> any idea about the price?
[17:08] <popey> I don't know.
[17:08] <popey> not up to us
[17:08]  * ogra_ doesnt even know which of the phones :)
[17:08] <svij> the bq one first… later the mx4
[17:08] <svij> (in india)
[17:08] <ogra_> ah, cool
[17:08] <ogra_> so there is a lower price option
[17:08] <GAM002> ok
[17:08]  * ogra_ thought it was only the mx4
[17:08] <svij> ogra_: yeah, thought that too
[17:09] <GAM002> well there its gona get high due to importation fee
[17:09] <svij> it's going on sale directly by some online retailer as I heard
[17:10] <GAM002> has ubuntu given a post related to that?
[17:10] <GAM002> official post?
[17:11] <ogra_> i dont think so, but svij is one of the "ubuntu insiders" that get such info ahead of press announcements ;)
[17:11] <popey> It's bq devices in india
[17:11] <popey> oh, svij beat me to it :)
[17:13] <GAM002> is it the 299$ one?
[17:13] <popey> bq e4.5 and bq e5
[17:14] <GAM002> k
[17:16] <GAM002> actually i didnt like much the current phones sold by ubuntu. I mean they are good but not that much eye catching design The phone which inspired me was the ubuntu edge but didnt got on market :(
[17:16] <GAM002> btw has did they sold ubuntu edge to anyone?
[17:17] <genii> It never got made, AFAIK
[17:18] <GAM002> but the design they showed on the video was way awesome
[17:19] <genii> I forget the numbers but something like only 22-25 of 30-odd million got raised. so we all got our $650 pledges back
[17:19] <GAM002> ok
[17:20] <popey> I wish someone would make an edge size phone
[17:20] <popey> with that power
[17:20] <davmor2> popey: +1
[17:20] <GAM002> anyway i am really interested in trying the ubuntu os its soo beautyfull hope it lauches for my phone
[17:21] <genii> popey: What bugs me is lots of companies make reference platform phones with cool things like easy to open and change stuff inside, but they are like thousands of dollars. We need like this but affordable to the consumer
[17:22] <mcphail> there isn't anything on my phone which stresses it badly just now, so can't see the need for something more powerful yet. Developing on low-power devices sharpens the mind and avoids bloat
[17:23] <GAM002> genii: yup this was my problem too the phones where overpriced but luckly i found the affortable phone for me
[17:25] <genii> I think our company paid something like $2500 for the Texas Instruments Blaze Tablet reference design. Not a phone, I know, but it's crazy like this
[17:25] <GAM002> well quality too should be considered
[17:27] <GAM002> and nature friendly :)
[17:29] <GAM002> genii: BTW whats the name our company?
[17:30] <genii> GAM002: That specific one is Commander3D
[17:31] <GAM002> ok
[17:33] <GAM002> genii: interesting.  Glasses free 3d ?
[17:33] <GAM002> genii: Thats is Soooo cooool
[17:33] <GAM002> That is
[17:33] <genii> GAM002: Yep, the screen uses what's called a parallax barrier. so two screens actually in there but one eye sees one screen, other eye sees other screen
[17:34] <davmor2> GAM002: nintendo have been doing it for ages ;)
[17:34] <genii> Internally it's pretty much same guts as the Blaze Tablet ( omap4470 )
[17:34] <popey> .oO( We should make a tablet )
[17:35] <genii> popey: If you're serious, talk to me sometime about it.
[17:35] <GAM002> davmor2: Wow
[17:35] <davmor2> popey: we only make software :P A manufacturer to make a table that supports our os :)
[17:36] <GAM002> genii: So you making are here for making games for ubuntu?
[17:36] <GAM002> genii: Development pourposes?
[17:36] <genii> GAM002: Let's call it more like research :)
[17:37] <popey> davmor2: why are you telling _me_ this?
[17:37] <GAM002> genii: so you guys are onto ubuntu eh?
[17:38] <genii> GAM002: I have been working now about a year on getting the next version of that tablet made, i want it to be able to run Ubuntu as well as Android
[17:38] <genii> So I have a vested interest in both OS
[17:39] <GAM002> genii: ok Thats good thing to hear. Hope you are not working alone on this
[17:42] <GAM002> i wish i too was very good at programming
[17:43] <GAM002> but i lack the patience to learn them
[17:43] <GAM002> :(
[17:44] <genii> GAM002: We have a small team ( but dedicated )
[17:44] <GAM002> genii: ok
[17:45] <GAM002> i gtg cya tomarrow :)
[18:15] <davmor2> popey: because you said and I quote "popey> .oO( We should make a tablet )"
[18:15] <popey> davmor2: and you know what that means
[18:17] <davmor2> popey: Yes, but if I just agreed with you where would the fun be ;)
[18:24] <genii> Heh
[19:08] <guest6653> Hi guys any updates on background services in ubuntu touch?
[19:26] <kenvandine> Elleo, with silo 2 and silo 9 i get this consistently :)
[19:26] <kenvandine> Ran 141 tests in 2245.150s
[19:26] <kenvandine> OK
[19:27] <kenvandine> woot!