=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [03:46] * diddledan blows raspberries [03:46] go to sleep :| [03:46] aww [05:52] hey [05:53] mornin [05:54] hey diddledan [05:54] you're up early [05:54] well technically I'm up late [05:54] it's just that late happens to be early [05:54] Lol :) [05:55] pulling an all nighter , [05:55] :-p [05:56] i'm still a little tired , got to bed late yesterday , went to the movies [05:57] what did you see] [05:57] jurassic world [05:57] ah cool [05:57] seen it:D [05:57] entertaining but .. that was about it [05:57] seen terminator genisys? agree knightwise [05:57] went to cinema an d saw terminator on my own..like a real loser:D [05:58] probably gonna see terminator next week [05:58] we found a nice cinema that is pretty cheap [05:59] watched the first 5 minutes of Jurassic world with my eyes closed just to enjoy the main theme by john williams. [05:59] heh [05:59] i'm a soundtrack lover [05:59] I love soundtracks, too [06:00] john williams especially [06:00] john williams, james horner, brad fiedel, hans zimmer ... [06:00] he's amazeballs [06:00] all great composers [06:00] brad fiedel did the original terminator movie [06:00] and the second one , that great tradck where they use an anvill to punch out the beat [06:01] yeah that one with the anvil is wow [06:01] Hans zimmer did the rock and gladiator. [06:01] there's a lot of industrial overlaid with smooth synth [06:02] if you want a nice soundtrack for the end of the world you need to call this guy [06:07] odd. just reloaded win10iot onto my rpi with the "it's not really RTM" build, and the mac address has subtly altered - either the old build or the new one read it from the hardware wrong - there's a transposed byte: old=b8:27:eb:b3:67:0f new=b8:27:eb:0b:36:7f [06:08] note the 0 moving from the last 0f to insert in-bwteen eb and b3 [06:19] this bbc show is utter dross [06:19] britains bookies..about coral and punters [06:20] guy who claims he's a pro etting £120 to win £1k ..then in the bookies betting on the garbage BAGs [06:22] another idiot 'i look at people who dont have a bet on a saturday and can't understand how they can do that' [06:40] night [06:40] off to my pool of sweat [06:40] cant wait to get ac [08:32] Morning all [08:34] mornin davmor2 [08:35] Bit of tatu this morning added to the playlist [08:37] tatu .. as in the russian pop band ? [08:42] knightwise: yes I have a morning head song playlist where I add the track that happens to be stuck in my head that morning today is Tatu All the things she said [08:43] knightwise: it's a really mad mix of music [08:43] morning boys and girls. [08:44] davmor2: i remrmber them [09:11] Good morning all; happy Rain Day! 😃 [09:12] i'm in ireland, this is different how exactly? :-) [09:13] https://youtu.be/esEdC0c3YI4 [09:16] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs_T_cEoX6I [09:26] * bashrc waits for happy rain [09:28] the rain that falls just after you've got home and put the kettle on? [09:36] * zmoylan-pi puts kettle on for coffee [09:40] * bashrc watched jono's review of the latest ubuntuphone [09:43] time to move laptop from desk it's sat on for 3 years, 5 seconds, time to take power supply... 5 minutes. [09:43] Good morning peeps :) === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [10:52] playin donkey kong country returns on the wii [10:52] because i'm 86% through the game. i need to complete it [10:53] but its actually reallly hard [10:53] proper video games are [10:53] quite old skool in that you have to play levels 20 times sometimes [10:53] and learn them === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:20] how long till sourceforge disappears? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/dice_to_unload_slashdot_and_sourceforge/ [12:21] some one will buy it thinking they can turn it around [12:22] crazy that it used to be the go-to place and now it's pretty much useless [12:22] they've been out-done by github [12:22] slashdot i think is unturnaroundable now [12:22] well github is the place for software now I guess [12:23] well git hub is easier to clone or fork,and collaborate on projects [12:23] time to bring it out behind the electronic barn with myspace and bebo [12:23] github, IMO, is more influential now than sourceforge was at it's peak [12:23] well things change, the way we download and work on software has changed [12:25] aye - sourceforge is the old style of single canonical place whereas the rise of git and github allow the decentralised paradigm that fits so sublimely [12:25] sf.net never really evolved beyond CVS/SVN [12:25] and it was dsigned by hackers for hackers, or if I am right linus had something to do with github [12:26] slashdot is 3-day old news for greybeards [12:26] the stories are ok but the comments are ridiculous [12:27] I never got the whole slashdot thing [12:27] same with reddit [12:27] reddit is vast , and has niche subreddits of interest if you have a niche hobby [12:27] I used to read Slashdot, but I gave up about 5 years ago, haven't really missed it since [12:27] or specific forums for your smartphone et [12:28] i read slashdot tiwtter feed [12:28] the stories are decent enough [12:28] and other feeds are full of junk (e.g the verge) [12:28] boingboing dupe everything on their feeds, making them useless [12:28] and el reg sucks [12:30] i use alterslash to follow slashdot but hang out on soylent news now with other slashdot refugees [12:31] I got really bored of boingboing a while ago [12:35] lol @ go-lang's "cowboy gopher": https://blog.golang.org/gophercon2015.jpg === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:15] oh yeah. lunch [13:26] Wowzer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgk4U4qVpNY [13:33] awilkins: the biggest point for me is in the last moments of that video where they say that write-cycle count doens't impact life [13:34] I've not had any NAND flash devices that cost more than £1.50 fail so far [13:34] I still worry about flash even though it's supposed to be fine these days [13:34] I rather liked the "This is 1,000 faster than NAND flash and cheap too" bit [13:35] aye [13:35] If it's cheaper than NAND it will be a total game changer [13:35] need a new mobo :-p [13:35] The whole "Single unified storage pool" thing did NOT appeal to me [13:35] my mobo isn't EFI so I don't believe it can do NVMe/PCIe [13:36] "Yeah! Because long-term storage is now as fast as RAM we can use it AS RAM!!!!211!!! " [13:36] for a while, yes :-) [13:36] (10 minutes later, a badly written instruction deletes several important OS utilities) [13:37] that's an interesting thought there - if you're using long-term as RAM do we even need to include any DRAM in our systems? [13:38] With a 64-bit processor, you can address bumloads of RAM [13:38] or "memory" [13:38] completely remove the DRAM and you've simplified things [13:47] Think it would be great for portable devices [13:49] it'll improve battery life if you can remove the dram and store runtime memory on long-term storage that doesn't need power to maintain state [14:14] diddledan: did your surface firmware update go on in the end? [14:15] there's been another newer one since then. No idea whether that new one applied yet or not. but the old one never did work. [14:18] hrmm [14:18] just downloaded a win10 64-bit ISO [14:18] o_O [14:18] that'll be fake [14:19] or pre-release which is akin [14:19] nah from the media creation tool on the MS site [14:19] i know how to spot fakes ;) [14:19] there's a media creation tool? [14:19] yes [14:19] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 [14:19] you can get the iso already [14:19] I grabbed it hours ago [14:20] might re-do my desktop, although mines one of the older nvidia cards without a DX12 driver for now - not that that matters (: [14:20] upgrade fails here [14:20] reboots, fails, reboots back and undoes it [14:22] doesn't that iso need a win10 key tho? [14:22] i.e. not an upgrade [14:22] diddledan: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/faq?3e26a302-d673-443a-ade9-97844670c197=True [14:22] takes a 7 serial or reads the 8 serial from the EFI [14:23] I grabbed an iso, but am also doing an upgrade [14:23] i'll nuke from orbit i think [14:23] * daftykins doesn't believe in upgrades [14:23] and.. if you can do it that way then what was the point of this lil icon in my taskbar.... [14:24] just for noobs. [14:24] can't be bothered to reinstall [14:24] will wait till they fix this [14:24] :D [14:24] whole OS probably needs a bit more polish really ;) [14:25] is win10 harder on hardware than 7 /8 [14:25] lighter [14:25] way better than even 7 [14:26] is that official? [14:26] how official can such a claim be o0 [14:26] seems unMS like [14:26] foobarry: it seems faster [14:26] yeah, I heard the same, its lighter [14:26] indeed that 8.x was [14:26] that should be in air quotes [14:26] "it seems faster" [14:28] ref: http://www.windowscentral.com/seems-faster [14:29] I was considering updating my hardly-used Win 7 partition to 10 until I read this... http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/ [14:30] Hang on, can you just feed Win10 ISo a Win7 serial? [14:30] (until next year, natch) [14:30] I know most of this can be switched off, but to be on by default... well, my already zero trust in MS has entered negative values. [14:30] awilkins: seems so [14:31] I presume it then shoves a Win10 key in the EFI [14:31] tpe: usual scaremongering [14:31] awilkins: how will that work when I don't have an EFI? [14:31] Dunno [14:31] Meh [14:32] Maybe it does what it does now and stores it somewhere in the registry [14:32] diddledan: you put a serial in [14:32] you can still do legacy installs [14:32] daftykins: How far can these "privacy" policies go before they're not just scaremongering anymore? [14:32] it would only take one update to turn it back on acidently of course [14:32] tpe: well that article makes out like it's sharing all your wireless passwords, which is an option you can turn off on initial boot [14:33] so yeah, if you're unknowing and always select defaults on OS install - sure it'll do something undesirable [14:33] but it doesn't sound like end of world desirable ;) [14:34] Oh yeah, as I said, it can mostly be switched off. But the fact it's there in the first place is (in my opinion) pretty disgusting. [14:34] If people understand the implications and still want to use it, fair enough. [14:34] tpe: what do you use? [14:34] we had plenty of tinfoil hat wearers come in #ubuntu crying over the amazon stuff [14:34] still do from time to time :) [14:35] * bashrc adjusts tinfoil [14:35] Ubuntu on the desktop, Arch on the laptop. [14:35] bashrc: you look like an extra from Space:1999! :D [14:36] Desktop has a Win 7 partition that hasn't been used in a fair while. Old work stuff, mostly [14:36] ah [14:36] http://atemporarydistraction.com/images/space1999-3.jpg [14:37] :D [14:37] extra :( [14:37] I have VMs of XP and 7 which pretty much cover any rare need for Windows these days. [14:37] i just murdered a lot of 8 stuff [14:38] that can be truly filed under 'Vista 2.0' now [14:38] bashrc: I like that a "human decision [is] required" :-p [14:39] Didn't bother with 8 at all... but I'm likely to be one of those "annoying" Windows 7 holdouts, at least for the times Windows is required. [14:39] 7 is definitely nice [14:39] i've got all clients i can on it [14:39] definitely no need to drag them off [14:39] The only reason I migrated from XP to 7 was because a 3TB external hard drive won't work with XP. ;) [14:40] haha [14:40] you could've gotten XP 64-bit! [14:40] \o/ [14:40] (no, not really - terrible idea) [14:40] Indeed, if I wanted to be raped up the arse. [14:40] uh, now now. [14:40] tpe: family friendly please [14:41] XP -> 7 (and then probably to 10 at some point) [14:41] popey, popey, he's our man, if he don't like it. it's not family friendly! [14:41] before they introduce 11, which following Microsofts usual development standards, will be rubbish [14:41] I dont believe 11 is on the horizon [14:41] 10 is a "rolling release" [14:41] sounds ominous [14:41] sounds great! [14:42] people are worried about subscriptions [14:42] XP was solid for years for me... I had it on release, and surprisingly never really ran into problems. Even before the first SP. [14:42] yeah, xp worked well for me too [14:42] i remember having a dodgy copy when it came out, on the day we moved into this house, well the day we had a house warming [14:42] I really don't get how many times microsoft have to say "no, there is not going to be a subscription" before people finally accept it [14:42] people saw my pc and were like "whats that!" [14:43] tpe: EOL is EOL [14:43] diddledan: not seen the subscription in Solitaire then? [14:43] diddledan: they'll accept it when there is never a subscription :P [14:43] because adobe [14:43] http://uk.businessinsider.com/solitaire-windows-10-pay-to-remove-ads-2015-7 [14:43] I switched to Ubuntu after looking at the idea of moving to Vista. Didn't really want that. [14:43] XD [14:43] $1.49 a month or $9.99 a year [14:43] they'll rake it in from all the people not working wanting no ads ;) [14:43] that smells like a subscription to me [14:43] The whole ploy is to get people to punch their credit cards into the database [14:43] wtf? "coins"? [14:44] right now Apple, Amazon and Google have vast databases of customer credit cards [14:44] what are "coins" for?! [14:44] which makes it frictionless for their customers to buy stuff [14:44] Microsofot have never really got over that barrier [14:44] because people don't buy the OS in a store with an @microsoft account [14:44] unlike apple which kinda makes you sign up with a CC on day one of opening up your shiny iphone / imac etc [14:45] What would happen if I were to clean install Windows 10 on a machine not connected to the internet? [14:45] How far would I get? [14:45] activation failure [14:45] i mean, you can install/use it fine & use phone activation - i have to, as it has no built-in driver for my desktop's lan [14:46] i've just gotten to desktop in a VM without entering a key [14:47] wait 1 month [14:47] * diddledan mumbles something about "gotten" not being a real word [14:47] windows 7 does that too [14:47] I'm thinking along the lines of needing to run it on a non-networked music production machine at some point in the future. I have no interest in running it on my connected workstation. [14:47] yeah i know how it works :) [14:47] http://i.imgur.com/mLY5015.jpg [14:47] just you had to make modifications to let 8 let you in with the images it downloaded [14:47] finished my other thing [14:47] diddledan: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gotten [14:48] popey: that proves my point [14:48] What about "snuck" ? [14:48] "north american" isn't real speak [14:48] "As past participles of get, got and gotten both date back to Middle English." [14:48] lrn2read [14:48] snuck! [14:48] i like snuck [14:48] ah memories of Office Space (the film) come up when win10 says "Just a moment..." [14:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51ld-scMI8 < snuck [14:49] snuck is word of the day [14:49] awilkins: I snucked === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport |IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | Beer Train! http://tinyurl.com/choochoo2015 | "Snuck" [14:49] lol. gotta love jenny garner [14:50] who? :) [14:50] then next pops up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty4PhRWt1hU [14:51] ooh i tell a lie, it's not letting me complete the initial OOBE wizard whilst being offline and not having entered a product key [14:51] actually it's online [14:51] ah no now it works :) [14:52] tsk, windows 10 install fail doesn't clean up after itself [14:53] it'll keep the install folder there i'm sure? [14:53] to avoid downloading the lot again [14:54] not just that [14:54] it left the bootloader entry [14:54] so when booting windows you get "Start windows normally" and "Windows setup" [14:55] choose setup and it barfs because some stuff has been deleted [14:55] also https://twitter.com/ishabazz/status/626403883871395840 [14:55] oh dear [14:56] lol @ something happened [14:56] reminds me of when I was on a course, and MSSQL gave the best error it could:- [14:56] "0xFFFFFFFF - Catastrophic failure." [14:56] okay then! [14:57] i still put this under 'upgrades' :) [14:59] The "FFFFFFFFFF" is just because the real message has been truncated a little [15:00] "FFFFFFFF....." is how I announce most "catastrophic failures" too [15:00] it's a bit more universal than E_STUBTOE [15:00] electronically stub ones toe? [15:03] E_STUBTOE is something about a function being unimplemented? [15:03] i.e. it's a stub [15:04] They left some underscores out [15:04] STUB_TO_E [15:04] lol [15:04] They wrote an error function that didn't have code in it [15:04] steptoe and son [15:05] why do I suddenly get the phrase "SETEC ASTRONOMY" pop into my head? [15:06] (yes, I know where it's from and what it means. it's just random that I suddenly thought of it) [15:06] of all the things that pop into your head, this is the one you question? [15:06] :) [15:07] speaking of which, apparently I don't have a folder called "asswords" [15:07] ?? [15:07] maybe shauno was taking the P [15:07] hmm [15:11] diddledan: why not? [15:16] https://i.imgur.com/CGfEWWT.png [15:16] :D [15:16] grumpycat looks like he's let himself go [15:18] It's funny because Windows 10 finally has multiple virtual desktops and ALMOST has SSH now! [15:19] awilkins: being windows it's missing the "Secure" part? :P [15:20] And definitely because the stereotype of all Linux users being fat neckbeards is totally true : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yOEwD8OWuQc/Tdyk-T3cYzI/AAAAAAAAAV8/D6BIfJNCyoI/s1600/4108114455_1dc2bed37e.jpg [15:21] Seeker`: childish [15:21] been plenty of open sauce dramas of late [15:21] daftykins: not serious [15:23] I need chocolate [15:24] i have stacks of the stuff D: very dangerous [15:25] diddledan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33690211 [15:25] but I don't _Want_ to curb my chocolate eating [15:27] diddledan: You know chocolate is poisonous, right? [15:28] TwistedLucidity: so're carrots [15:28] So...chocolate carrot cake is a weaponised dessert? [15:29] everything is fatal if you eat too much of it [15:29] including "nothing" [15:30] * bashrc considers weaponised puddings [15:31] So homeopathic medicines /do/ have an effect after all! [15:31] how can you have too much when nothing is in essence not enough [15:31] nothing does not imply "not enough". There are somethings I am perfectly happy to have "nothing" of, thanks! [15:32] * diddledan hands around the arsenic [15:32] * TwistedLucidity tries to remember if it's that or cyanide in some nuts.... [15:32] * diddledan tries to remember if he's nuts [16:04] TwistedLucidity: cyanide in almonds I think [16:09] Seeker`: it is [17:02] turns out booting the ISO rejects a win7 key as-is, so i have to upgrade it first [17:02] slight shame but ah well (: [17:03] is win10 day a sucess for ms? seems so [17:05] found some reports online? [17:12] * popey retries the upgrade with the linux hard drive unplugged [17:15] it seems linux ppl are upgrading their otherOSes whereas usually it's greeted with derision and meh [17:15] and patches [17:16] * davmor2 derises and meh's [17:17] If I upgrade my WIndows I fear it will trash my Linux partition [17:17] All on the same drive [17:19] that did it [17:19] sheesh [17:19] its now upgrading, now I took my second drive out [17:22] popey: is your system uefi? I'm assuming windows 10 will magically enable a key and then lock out your linux drive anyway right ;) [17:22] np [17:22] no [17:23] toxic talk, that [17:23] mine is a ye olde bios system [17:23] daftykins: hey I'm only guessing :P [17:24] yes, but quite silly [17:27] It does like to trash grub [17:27] grub : detects Windows and kindly adds a boot entry [17:27] Windows : just blats the MBR because hey, no-one runs anything else, right? [17:28] actually 10 preview since it became open to the public sat beside my xubuntu install just fine [17:28] :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:29] blimey, that was quick, it's finished upgrading [17:30] hah, well, aside from the post upgrade nonsense :) [17:31] \o/ 640x480-o-vision [18:00] silly question, but can you actually buy windows 10 ? [18:00] eventually [18:00] not yet [18:02] ah. I wondered what I was doing wrong. their site sent me round in circles :) [18:50] awilkins: i find dual-booting much less stressful in UEFI land [18:50] since there's no more contention for bootloaders [18:58] science museum or natural history museum for a bright 5yr old who loves science and the natural world? [18:58] prob don't have time for both [19:00] I'd probably say natural history museum, just because it's the only one I can still remember 20 years later [19:07] heh [19:08] french embassy. it's right next to both museums, and has the excitement of sitting in a waiting room! [19:08] i might do the science one to check it out [19:08] the upside is high [19:09] if its too over his head then natural history i a safe bet [19:09] bcos dinsouaurs [19:15] Are we talking London's Science Museum? - I've just been reviewing my photos from my visit last month [19:17] yes Nokaji [19:18] righty, mine was a fast excursion through the place as was pushed for time hence plenty of photos so I can review at my leisure [19:18] they have a Cray1 there [19:25] anything for young kids? [19:29] plenty of youngsters there, so i guess so - cars, space, olde world things ofc [19:29] you can film and use flash, they don't give a damn [19:51] ta [19:58] flciking through my photies - space rockets, space men, steam rockets (train), stagecoch, cabinet of stuff inc old clocks, telescopes, pipe organ, penny farthing, old work tools, biplane, cars stacked up in a line, lodsa cars foden truck, meschersmitt car (bubble cars), car cut in half to show parts, colchester lathe, things to read, things to test your smelling - that's as far as i got [20:02] have to give credit to my point and shoot camera, always up to the task, always in focus, always steady, good lighting, higlhy detailed 12MP pics [20:02] and fast [20:04] gonna do space section, then launchpad and then nip over to the natural history for est of our time [20:05] lots of the best stuff is for adults, and older kids [20:05] just gonna take smartphone instead of heavy camera [20:05] its mainly a day out for the lad [20:24] I'd have toured exhibition road et al if i'd given myself enough time, too [20:25] hope he? likes it, most seem to [20:25] boys toys is usually a winner