[03:46]  * diddledan blows raspberries
[03:46] <shauno> go to sleep :|
[03:46] <diddledan> aww
[05:52] <mapito> hey
[05:53] <diddledan> mornin
[05:54] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[05:54] <knightwise> you're up early
[05:54] <diddledan> well technically I'm up late
[05:54] <diddledan> it's just that late happens to be early
[05:54] <knightwise> Lol :)
[05:55] <knightwise> pulling an all nighter ,
[05:55] <diddledan> :-p
[05:56] <knightwise> i'm still  a little tired , got to bed late yesterday ,  went to the movies
[05:57] <mapito> what did you see]
[05:57] <knightwise> jurassic world
[05:57] <mapito> ah cool
[05:57] <mapito> seen it:D
[05:57] <knightwise> entertaining but .. that was about it
[05:57] <mapito> seen terminator genisys? agree knightwise
[05:57] <mapito> went to cinema an d saw terminator on my own..like a real loser:D
[05:58] <knightwise> probably gonna see terminator next week
[05:58] <knightwise> we found a nice cinema that is pretty cheap
[05:59] <knightwise> watched the first 5 minutes of Jurassic world with my eyes closed just to enjoy the main theme by john williams.
[05:59] <mapito> heh
[05:59] <knightwise> i'm a soundtrack lover
[05:59] <diddledan> I love soundtracks, too
[06:00] <diddledan> john williams especially
[06:00] <knightwise> john williams, james horner, brad fiedel, hans zimmer ...
[06:00] <diddledan> he's amazeballs
[06:00] <knightwise> all great composers
[06:00] <knightwise> brad fiedel did the original terminator movie
[06:00] <knightwise> and the second one , that great tradck where they use an anvill to punch out the beat
[06:01] <diddledan> yeah that one with the anvil is wow
[06:01] <knightwise> Hans zimmer did the rock  and gladiator.
[06:01] <diddledan> there's a lot of industrial overlaid with smooth synth
[06:02] <knightwise> if you want a nice soundtrack for the end of the world you need to call this guy
[06:07] <diddledan> odd. just reloaded win10iot onto my rpi with the "it's not really RTM" build, and the mac address has subtly altered - either the old build or the new one read it from the hardware wrong - there's a transposed byte: old=b8:27:eb:b3:67:0f new=b8:27:eb:0b:36:7f
[06:08] <diddledan> note the 0 moving from the last 0f to insert in-bwteen eb and b3
[06:19] <mapito> this bbc show is utter dross
[06:19] <mapito> britains bookies..about coral and punters
[06:20] <mapito> guy who claims he's a pro etting £120 to win £1k ..then in the bookies betting on the garbage BAGs
[06:22] <mapito> another idiot 'i look at people who dont have a bet on a saturday and can't understand how they can do that'
[06:40] <mapito> night
[06:40] <mapito> off to my pool of sweat
[06:40] <mapito> cant wait to get ac
[08:32] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:34] <knightwise>  mornin davmor2
[08:35] <davmor2> Bit of tatu this morning added to the playlist
[08:37] <knightwise> tatu .. as in the russian pop band ?
[08:42] <davmor2> knightwise: yes I have a morning head song playlist where I add the track that happens to be stuck in my head that morning today is Tatu All the things she said
[08:43] <davmor2> knightwise: it's a really mad mix of music
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:44] <knightwise> davmor2: i remrmber them
[09:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Rain Day! 😃
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in ireland, this is different how exactly? :-)
[09:13] <JamesTait> https://youtu.be/esEdC0c3YI4
[09:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs_T_cEoX6I
[09:26]  * bashrc waits for happy rain
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> the rain that falls just after you've got home and put the kettle on?
[09:36]  * zmoylan-pi puts kettle on for coffee
[09:40]  * bashrc watched jono's review of the latest ubuntuphone
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> time to move laptop from desk it's sat on for 3 years, 5 seconds, time to take power supply... 5 minutes.
[09:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:52] <foobarry> playin donkey kong country returns on the wii
[10:52] <foobarry> because i'm 86% through the game. i need to complete it
[10:53] <foobarry> but its actually reallly hard
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> proper video games are
[10:53] <foobarry> quite old skool in that you have to play levels 20 times sometimes
[10:53] <foobarry> and learn them
[12:20] <diddledan> how long till sourceforge disappears? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/dice_to_unload_slashdot_and_sourceforge/
[12:21] <zmoylan-pi> some one will buy it thinking they can turn it around
[12:22] <diddledan> crazy that it used to be the go-to place and now it's pretty much useless
[12:22] <diddledan> they've been out-done by github
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> slashdot i think is unturnaroundable now
[12:22] <zleap> well github is the place for software now I guess
[12:23] <zleap>  well git hub is easier to clone or fork,and collaborate on projects
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> time to bring it out behind the electronic barn with myspace and bebo
[12:23] <diddledan> github, IMO, is more influential now than sourceforge was at it's peak
[12:23] <zleap> well things change,  the way we  download and work on software has changed
[12:25] <diddledan> aye - sourceforge is the old style of single canonical place whereas the rise of git and github allow the decentralised paradigm that fits so sublimely
[12:25] <diddledan> sf.net never really evolved beyond CVS/SVN
[12:25] <zleap> and it was dsigned by hackers for hackers,   or if I am right linus had something to do with github
[12:26] <foobarry> slashdot is 3-day old news for greybeards
[12:26] <foobarry> the stories are ok but the comments are ridiculous
[12:27] <diddledan> I never got the whole slashdot thing
[12:27] <diddledan> same with reddit
[12:27] <foobarry> reddit is vast , and has niche subreddits of interest if you have a niche hobby
[12:27] <mgdm> I used to read Slashdot, but I gave up about 5 years ago, haven't really missed it since
[12:27] <foobarry> or specific forums for your smartphone et
[12:28] <foobarry> i read slashdot tiwtter feed
[12:28] <foobarry> the stories are decent enough
[12:28] <foobarry> and other feeds are full of junk (e.g the verge)
[12:28] <foobarry> boingboing dupe everything on their feeds, making them useless
[12:28] <foobarry> and el reg sucks
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> i use alterslash to follow slashdot but hang out on soylent news now with other slashdot refugees
[12:31] <mgdm> I got really bored of boingboing a while ago
[12:35] <diddledan> lol @ go-lang's "cowboy gopher": https://blog.golang.org/gophercon2015.jpg
[13:15] <diddledan> oh yeah. lunch
[13:26] <awilkins> Wowzer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgk4U4qVpNY
[13:33] <diddledan> awilkins: the biggest point for me is in the last moments of that video where they say that write-cycle count doens't impact life
[13:34] <awilkins> I've not had any NAND flash devices that cost more than £1.50 fail so far
[13:34] <diddledan> I still worry about flash even though it's supposed to be fine these days
[13:34] <awilkins> I rather liked the "This is 1,000 faster than NAND flash and cheap too" bit
[13:35] <diddledan> aye
[13:35] <awilkins> If it's cheaper than NAND it will be a total game changer
[13:35] <diddledan> need a new mobo :-p
[13:35] <awilkins> The whole "Single unified storage pool" thing did NOT appeal to me
[13:35] <diddledan> my mobo isn't EFI so I don't believe it can do NVMe/PCIe
[13:36] <awilkins> "Yeah! Because long-term storage is now as fast as RAM we can use it AS RAM!!!!211!!!  "
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> for a while, yes :-)
[13:36] <awilkins> (10 minutes later, a badly written instruction deletes several important OS utilities)
[13:37] <diddledan> that's an interesting thought there - if you're using long-term as RAM do we even need to include any DRAM in our systems?
[13:38] <awilkins> With a 64-bit processor, you can address bumloads of RAM
[13:38] <awilkins> or "memory"
[13:38] <diddledan> completely remove the DRAM and you've simplified things
[13:47] <awilkins> Think it would be great for portable devices
[13:49] <diddledan> it'll improve battery life if you can remove the dram and store runtime memory on long-term storage that doesn't need power to maintain state
[14:14] <daftykins> diddledan: did your surface firmware update go on in the end?
[14:15] <diddledan> there's been another newer one since then. No idea whether that new one applied yet or not. but the old one never did work.
[14:18] <daftykins> hrmm
[14:18] <daftykins> just downloaded a win10 64-bit ISO
[14:18] <diddledan> o_O
[14:18] <diddledan> that'll be fake
[14:19] <diddledan> or pre-release which is akin
[14:19] <daftykins> nah from the media creation tool on the MS site
[14:19] <daftykins> i know how to spot fakes ;)
[14:19] <diddledan> there's a media creation tool?
[14:19] <popey> yes
[14:19] <daftykins> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
[14:19] <popey> you can get the iso already
[14:19] <popey> I grabbed it hours ago
[14:20] <daftykins> might re-do my desktop, although mines one of the older nvidia cards without a DX12 driver for now - not that that matters (:
[14:20] <popey> upgrade fails here
[14:20] <popey> reboots, fails, reboots back and undoes it
[14:22] <diddledan> doesn't that iso need a win10 key tho?
[14:22] <diddledan> i.e. not an upgrade
[14:22] <daftykins> diddledan: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/faq?3e26a302-d673-443a-ade9-97844670c197=True
[14:22] <daftykins> takes a 7 serial or reads the 8 serial from the EFI
[14:23] <popey> I grabbed an iso, but am also doing an upgrade
[14:23] <daftykins> i'll nuke from orbit i think
[14:23]  * daftykins doesn't believe in upgrades
[14:23] <diddledan> and.. if you can do it that way then what was the point of this lil icon in my taskbar....
[14:24] <daftykins> just for noobs.
[14:24] <popey> can't be bothered to reinstall
[14:24] <popey> will wait till they fix this
[14:24] <daftykins> :D
[14:24] <daftykins> whole OS probably needs a bit more polish really ;)
[14:25] <foobarry> is win10 harder on hardware than 7 /8
[14:25] <daftykins> lighter
[14:25] <daftykins> way better than even 7
[14:26] <foobarry> is that official?
[14:26] <daftykins> how official can such a claim be o0
[14:26] <foobarry> seems unMS like
[14:26] <diddledan> foobarry: it seems faster
[14:26] <popey> yeah, I heard the same, its lighter
[14:26] <popey> indeed that 8.x was
[14:26] <diddledan> that should be in air quotes
[14:26] <diddledan> "it seems faster"
[14:28] <diddledan> ref: http://www.windowscentral.com/seems-faster
[14:29] <tpe> I was considering updating my hardly-used Win 7 partition to 10 until I read this... http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/
[14:30] <awilkins> Hang on, can you just feed Win10 ISo a Win7 serial?
[14:30] <awilkins> (until next year, natch)
[14:30] <tpe> I know most of this can be switched off, but to be on by default... well, my already zero trust in MS has entered negative values.
[14:30] <diddledan> awilkins: seems so
[14:31] <awilkins> I presume it then shoves a Win10 key in the EFI
[14:31] <daftykins> tpe: usual scaremongering
[14:31] <diddledan> awilkins: how will that work when I don't have an EFI?
[14:31] <awilkins> Dunno
[14:31] <awilkins> Meh
[14:32] <awilkins> Maybe it does what it does now and stores it somewhere in the registry
[14:32] <daftykins> diddledan: you put a serial in
[14:32] <daftykins> you can still do legacy installs
[14:32] <tpe> daftykins: How far can these "privacy" policies go before they're not just scaremongering anymore?
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> it would only take one update to turn it back on acidently of course
[14:32] <daftykins> tpe: well that article makes out like it's sharing all your wireless passwords, which is an option you can turn off on initial boot
[14:33] <daftykins> so yeah, if you're unknowing and always select defaults on OS install - sure it'll do something undesirable
[14:33] <daftykins> but it doesn't sound like end of world desirable ;)
[14:34] <tpe> Oh yeah, as I said, it can mostly be switched off. But the fact it's there in the first place is (in my opinion) pretty disgusting.
[14:34] <tpe> If people understand the implications and still want to use it, fair enough.
[14:34] <daftykins> tpe: what do you use?
[14:34] <daftykins> we had plenty of tinfoil hat wearers come in #ubuntu crying over the amazon stuff
[14:34] <daftykins> still do from time to time :)
[14:35]  * bashrc adjusts tinfoil
[14:35] <tpe> Ubuntu on the desktop, Arch on the laptop.
[14:35] <daftykins> bashrc: you look like an extra from Space:1999! :D
[14:36] <tpe> Desktop has a Win 7 partition that hasn't been used in a fair while. Old work stuff, mostly
[14:36] <daftykins> ah
[14:36] <bashrc> http://atemporarydistraction.com/images/space1999-3.jpg
[14:37] <daftykins> :D
[14:37] <daftykins> extra :(
[14:37] <tpe> I have VMs of XP and 7 which pretty much cover any rare need for Windows these days.
[14:37] <daftykins> i just murdered a lot of 8 stuff
[14:38] <daftykins> that can be truly filed under 'Vista 2.0' now
[14:38] <diddledan> bashrc: I like that a "human decision [is] required" :-p
[14:39] <tpe> Didn't bother with 8 at all... but I'm likely to be one of those "annoying" Windows 7 holdouts, at least for the times Windows is required.
[14:39] <daftykins> 7 is definitely nice
[14:39] <daftykins> i've got all clients i can on it
[14:39] <daftykins> definitely no need to drag them off
[14:39] <tpe> The only reason I migrated from XP to 7 was because a 3TB external hard drive won't work with XP. ;)
[14:40] <daftykins> haha
[14:40] <daftykins> you could've gotten XP 64-bit!
[14:40] <diddledan> \o/
[14:40] <daftykins> (no, not really - terrible idea)
[14:40] <tpe> Indeed, if I wanted to be raped up the arse.
[14:40] <popey> uh, now now.
[14:40] <daftykins> tpe: family friendly please
[14:41] <Seeker`> XP -> 7 (and then probably to 10 at some point)
[14:41] <diddledan> popey, popey, he's our man, if he don't like it. it's not family friendly!
[14:41] <Seeker`> before they introduce 11, which following Microsofts usual development standards, will be rubbish
[14:41] <popey> I dont believe 11 is on the horizon
[14:41] <popey> 10 is a "rolling release"
[14:41] <foobarry> sounds ominous
[14:41] <popey> sounds great!
[14:42] <foobarry> people are worried about subscriptions
[14:42] <tpe> XP was solid for years for me... I had it on release, and surprisingly never really ran into problems. Even before the first SP.
[14:42] <popey> yeah, xp worked well for me too
[14:42] <popey> i remember having a dodgy copy when it came out, on the day we moved into this house, well the day we had a house warming
[14:42] <diddledan> I really don't get how many times microsoft have to say "no, there is not going to be a subscription" before people finally accept it
[14:42] <popey> people saw my pc and were like "whats that!"
[14:43] <daftykins> tpe: EOL is EOL
[14:43] <popey> diddledan: not seen the subscription in Solitaire then?
[14:43] <Seeker`> diddledan: they'll accept it when there is never a subscription :P
[14:43] <foobarry> because adobe
[14:43] <popey> http://uk.businessinsider.com/solitaire-windows-10-pay-to-remove-ads-2015-7
[14:43] <tpe> I switched to Ubuntu after looking at the idea of moving to Vista. Didn't really want that.
[14:43] <daftykins> XD
[14:43] <popey> $1.49 a month or $9.99 a year
[14:43] <daftykins> they'll rake it in from all the people not working wanting no ads ;)
[14:43] <popey> that smells like a subscription to me
[14:43] <popey> The whole ploy is to get people to punch their credit cards into the database
[14:43] <diddledan> wtf? "coins"?
[14:44] <popey> right now Apple, Amazon and Google have vast databases of customer credit cards
[14:44] <diddledan> what are "coins" for?!
[14:44] <popey> which makes it frictionless for their customers to buy stuff
[14:44] <popey> Microsofot have never really got over that barrier
[14:44] <popey> because people don't buy the OS in a store with an @microsoft account
[14:44] <popey> unlike apple which kinda makes you sign up with a CC on day one of opening up your shiny iphone / imac etc
[14:45] <tpe> What would happen if I were to clean install Windows 10 on a machine not connected to the internet?
[14:45] <tpe> How far would I get?
[14:45] <directhex> activation failure
[14:45] <directhex> i mean, you can install/use it fine & use phone activation - i have to, as it has no built-in driver for my desktop's lan
[14:46] <daftykins> i've just gotten to desktop in a VM without entering a key
[14:47] <foobarry> wait 1 month
[14:47]  * diddledan mumbles something about "gotten" not being a real word
[14:47] <foobarry> windows 7 does that too
[14:47] <tpe> I'm thinking along the lines of needing to run it on a non-networked music production machine at some point in the future. I have no interest in running it on my connected workstation.
[14:47] <daftykins> yeah i know how it works :)
[14:47] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/mLY5015.jpg
[14:47] <daftykins> just you had to make modifications to let 8 let you in with the images it downloaded
[14:47] <foobarry> finished my other thing
[14:47] <popey> diddledan: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gotten
[14:48] <diddledan> popey: that proves my point
[14:48] <awilkins> What about "snuck" ?
[14:48] <diddledan> "north american" isn't real speak
[14:48] <popey> "As past participles of get, got and gotten both date back to Middle English."
[14:48] <popey> lrn2read
[14:48] <directhex> snuck!
[14:48] <directhex> i like snuck
[14:48] <daftykins> ah memories of Office Space (the film) come up when win10 says "Just a moment..."
[14:48] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51ld-scMI8 < snuck
[14:49] <popey> snuck is word of the day
[14:49] <diddledan> awilkins: I snucked
[14:49] <diddledan> lol. gotta love jenny garner
[14:50] <daftykins> who? :)
[14:50] <diddledan> then next pops up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty4PhRWt1hU
[14:51] <daftykins> ooh i tell a lie, it's not letting me complete the initial OOBE wizard whilst being offline and not having entered a product key
[14:51] <daftykins> actually it's online
[14:51] <daftykins> ah no now it works :)
[14:52] <popey> tsk, windows 10 install fail doesn't clean up after itself
[14:53] <daftykins> it'll keep the install folder there i'm sure?
[14:53] <daftykins> to avoid downloading the lot again
[14:54] <popey> not just that
[14:54] <popey> it left the bootloader entry
[14:54] <popey> so when booting windows you get "Start windows normally" and "Windows setup"
[14:55] <popey> choose setup and it barfs because some stuff has been deleted
[14:55] <popey> also https://twitter.com/ishabazz/status/626403883871395840
[14:55] <diddledan> oh dear
[14:56] <diddledan> lol @ something happened
[14:56] <popey> reminds me of when I was on a course, and MSSQL gave the best error it could:-
[14:56] <popey> "0xFFFFFFFF - Catastrophic failure."
[14:56] <popey> okay then!
[14:57] <daftykins> i still put this under 'upgrades' :)
[14:59] <awilkins> The "FFFFFFFFFF" is just because the real message has been truncated a little
[15:00] <shauno> "FFFFFFFF....." is how I announce most "catastrophic failures" too
[15:00] <shauno> it's a bit more universal than E_STUBTOE
[15:00] <daftykins> electronically stub ones toe?
[15:03] <diddledan> E_STUBTOE is something about a function being unimplemented?
[15:03] <diddledan> i.e. it's a stub
[15:04] <awilkins> They left some underscores out
[15:04] <awilkins> STUB_TO_E
[15:04] <diddledan> lol
[15:04] <awilkins> They wrote an error function that didn't have code in it
[15:04] <daftykins> steptoe and son
[15:05] <diddledan> why do I suddenly get the phrase "SETEC ASTRONOMY" pop into my head?
[15:06] <diddledan> (yes, I know where it's from and what it means. it's just random that I suddenly thought of it)
[15:06] <shauno> of all the things that pop into your head, this is the one you question?
[15:06] <daftykins> :)
[15:07] <diddledan> speaking of which, apparently I don't have a folder called "asswords"
[15:07] <diddledan> ??
[15:07] <daftykins> maybe shauno was taking the P
[15:07] <diddledan> hmm
[15:11] <Seeker`> diddledan: why not?
[15:16] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/CGfEWWT.png
[15:16] <daftykins> :D
[15:16] <diddledan> grumpycat looks like he's let himself go
[15:18] <awilkins> It's funny because Windows 10 finally has multiple virtual desktops and ALMOST has SSH now!
[15:19] <Seeker`> awilkins: being windows it's missing the "Secure" part? :P
[15:20] <awilkins> And definitely because the stereotype of all Linux users being fat neckbeards is totally true : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yOEwD8OWuQc/Tdyk-T3cYzI/AAAAAAAAAV8/D6BIfJNCyoI/s1600/4108114455_1dc2bed37e.jpg
[15:21] <daftykins> Seeker`: childish
[15:21] <daftykins> been plenty of open sauce dramas of late
[15:21] <Seeker`> daftykins: not serious
[15:23] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[15:24] <daftykins> i have stacks of the stuff D: very dangerous
[15:25] <Seeker`> diddledan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33690211
[15:25] <diddledan> but I don't _Want_ to curb my chocolate eating
[15:27] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: You know chocolate is poisonous, right?
[15:28] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: so're carrots
[15:28] <TwistedLucidity> So...chocolate carrot cake is a weaponised dessert?
[15:29] <Seeker`> everything is fatal if you eat too much of it
[15:29] <Seeker`> including "nothing"
[15:30]  * bashrc considers weaponised puddings
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> So homeopathic medicines /do/ have an effect after all!
[15:31] <diddledan> how can you have too much when nothing is in essence not enough
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> nothing does not imply "not enough". There are somethings I am perfectly happy to have "nothing" of, thanks!
[15:32]  * diddledan hands around the arsenic
[15:32]  * TwistedLucidity tries to remember if it's that or cyanide in some nuts....
[15:32]  * diddledan tries to remember if he's nuts
[16:04] <Seeker`> TwistedLucidity: cyanide in almonds I think
[16:09] <TwistedLucidity> Seeker`: it is
[17:02] <daftykins> turns out booting the ISO rejects a win7 key as-is, so i have to upgrade it first
[17:02] <daftykins> slight shame but ah well (:
[17:03] <foobarry> is win10 day a sucess for ms? seems so
[17:05] <daftykins> found some reports online?
[17:12]  * popey retries the upgrade with the linux hard drive unplugged
[17:15] <foobarry> it seems linux ppl are upgrading their otherOSes whereas usually it's greeted with derision and meh
[17:15] <foobarry> and patches
[17:16]  * davmor2 derises and meh's
[17:17] <awilkins> If I upgrade my WIndows I fear it will trash my Linux partition
[17:17] <awilkins> All on the same drive
[17:19] <popey> that did it
[17:19] <popey> sheesh
[17:19] <popey> its now upgrading, now I took my second drive out
[17:22] <davmor2> popey: is your system uefi?  I'm assuming windows 10 will magically enable a key and then lock out your linux drive anyway right ;)
[17:22] <popey> np
[17:22] <popey> no
[17:23] <daftykins> toxic talk, that
[17:23] <popey> mine is a ye olde bios system
[17:23] <davmor2> daftykins: hey I'm only guessing :P
[17:24] <daftykins> yes, but quite silly
[17:27] <awilkins> It does like to trash grub
[17:27] <awilkins> grub : detects Windows and kindly adds a boot entry
[17:27] <awilkins> Windows : just blats the MBR because hey, no-one runs anything else, right?
[17:28] <daftykins> actually 10 preview since it became open to the public sat beside my xubuntu install just fine
[17:28] <daftykins> :)
[17:29] <popey> blimey, that was quick, it's finished upgrading
[17:30] <popey> hah, well, aside from the post upgrade nonsense :)
[17:31] <popey> \o/ 640x480-o-vision
[18:00] <shauno> silly question, but can you actually buy windows 10 ?
[18:00] <daftykins> eventually
[18:00] <daftykins> not yet
[18:02] <shauno> ah.  I wondered what I was doing wrong.  their site sent me round in circles :)
[18:50] <directhex> awilkins: i find dual-booting much less stressful in UEFI land
[18:50] <directhex> since there's no more contention for bootloaders
[18:58] <foobarry> science museum or natural history museum for a bright 5yr old who loves science and the natural world?
[18:58] <foobarry> prob don't have time for both
[19:00] <shauno> I'd probably say natural history museum, just because it's the only one I can still remember 20 years later
[19:07] <foobarry> heh
[19:08] <directhex> french embassy. it's right next to both museums, and has the excitement of sitting in a waiting room!
[19:08] <foobarry> i might do the science one to check it out
[19:08] <foobarry> the upside is high
[19:09] <foobarry> if its too over his head then natural history i a safe bet
[19:09] <foobarry> bcos dinsouaurs
[19:15] <Nokaji> Are we talking London's Science Museum? - I've just been reviewing my photos from my visit last month
[19:17] <foobarry> yes Nokaji
[19:18] <Nokaji> righty, mine was a fast excursion through the place as was pushed for time hence plenty of photos so I can review at my leisure
[19:18] <Nokaji> they have a Cray1 there
[19:25] <foobarry> anything for young kids?
[19:29] <Nokaji> plenty of youngsters there, so i guess so - cars, space, olde world things ofc
[19:29] <Nokaji> you can film and use flash, they don't give a damn
[19:51] <foobarry> ta
[19:58] <Nokaji> flciking through my photies - space rockets, space men, steam rockets (train), stagecoch, cabinet of stuff inc old clocks, telescopes, pipe organ, penny farthing, old work tools, biplane, cars stacked up in a line, lodsa cars foden truck, meschersmitt car (bubble cars), car cut in half to show parts, colchester lathe, things to read, things to test your smelling - that's as far as i got
[20:02] <Nokaji> have to give credit to my point and shoot  camera, always up to the task, always in focus, always steady, good lighting, higlhy detailed 12MP pics
[20:02] <Nokaji> and fast
[20:04] <foobarry> gonna do space section, then launchpad and then nip over to the natural history for est of our time
[20:05] <foobarry> lots of the best stuff is for adults, and older kids
[20:05] <foobarry> just gonna take smartphone instead of heavy camera
[20:05] <foobarry> its mainly a day out for the lad
[20:24] <Nokaji> I'd have toured exhibition road et al if i'd given myself enough time, too
[20:25] <Nokaji> hope he? likes it, most seem to
[20:25] <Nokaji> boys toys is usually a winner