| jrwren | oh yeah, new lv just for lxc with an lvcache pool. | 00:51 |
|---|---|---|
| jrwren | went from 33s for lxc-create to 8.5s | 00:51 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 10:44 |
| _stink_ | yo | 11:31 |
| cmaloney | Are we having fun yet? | 13:24 |
| brousch | Of course. It's Windows 10 day! | 13:35 |
| jrwren | ugh. | 13:36 |
| jrwren | i'm so sick of hearing about windows 10. | 13:36 |
| jrwren | i actually dread when win7 goes out of support, becuase soon after my wife will start asking for support. | 13:37 |
| brousch | It's the newest Windows! | 13:37 |
| jrwren | so was windows me, at one point. | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | Hey, they fixed the start menu | 13:37 |
| jrwren | kinda. | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | so now if you have more than 500 entries it'll just silently truncate them | 13:38 |
| jrwren | is there a way to make windows 10 look and act just like windows 7? no? then I'm not interested :) | 13:38 |
| brousch | It has less monkey sweat than previous Windows! | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | because Microsoft likes hard limits | 13:38 |
| jrwren | 500?!?! yow | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Windows 7 is Windows Xp all over again | 13:38 |
| brousch | It's similar to win7 | 13:38 |
| brousch | Really it's not bad | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Ars did a great write-up on Windows 10 | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | as is their wont | 13:38 |
| jrwren | brousch: you once learned to use win8 or win81? I can't figure those out, so I do not want to waste time figuring out win10 when win7 works fine for all my use cases. | 13:39 |
| jrwren | All my use cases being Starcraft2 and EAC :) | 13:40 |
| brousch | I've spent probably 100 hours using win8, and hated it | 13:40 |
| brousch | They hid most of the win8 annoyances in "tablet mode", which you can toggle easily | 13:40 |
| jrwren | oh, so you really can use it like win7? | 13:40 |
| brousch | PRetty much | 13:41 |
| cmaloney | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ | 13:41 |
| brousch | Have to search for everything, like settings, since they moved them around | 13:41 |
| jrwren | did Peter write that? | 13:42 |
| jrwren | yeah, I only trust Peter so far, he is deep in it coming from a VERY different POV than me. | 13:43 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's Peter Bright | 13:44 |
| cmaloney | Almost like my trust of Paul Thurrot to talk about things related to MS that I couldn't care less about | 13:45 |
| cmaloney | but at least do some research | 13:45 |
| cmaloney | Unlike that tool that they got on Cranky Geeks (Enderle, iirc) | 13:45 |
| cmaloney | I swear Rob Enderle is like a stopped clock: only right twice a day and only for one second before he gets it completely wrong again. | 13:46 |
| brousch | I still prefer KDE | 13:47 |
| jrwren | I chatted with Peter 10+yrs ago in #linux on ars irc. So maybe I know him a tiny bit better than some? But ALWAYS consider the source :) | 13:51 |
| cmaloney | yeah, no kidding | 13:51 |
| jrwren | Thurrot, same thing. doesn't understand or use tech the same way I do, and definitely is pro-ms in everything. | 13:51 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: you were my go-to person for non-bullshit Windows info | 13:51 |
| jrwren | I mean, the guy talks about windows phone like its a real thing. What is it? 1% of the market? | 13:51 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: sorry, I left that world :) | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | I'm not sorry in the slightest | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | Well, Thurrot definitely has his head in the punchbowl looking to get the purest mixture. | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | And I'm sure Windows Phone is what the Windows-faithful want | 13:53 |
| cmaloney | Much like somoene telling me they still take Blackberry seriously. | 13:53 |
| cmaloney | They tend to have a junk-drawer-full of the previous generations of faith. | 13:54 |
| cmaloney | Same can be said about any OS, really. | 13:54 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: its true. I feel like when you start talking about things with 1% market share and less, they kind of all get the same treatment. Windows Phone, Ubuntu Phone, Amiga and BeOS diehards, OS2 users, freebsd users, any bsd users. | 14:01 |
| jrwren | its like, yes, your stuff works, unfortunately its also entirely irrelevant | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Yeah, it's kind of cool to see people still rocking the Amiga / BeOS | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | and kind of sad in a way. | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | I'm sure someone out there is excited about Amiga OS 4.1 | 14:03 |
| brousch | Linux desktop ... | 14:15 |
| jrwren | brousch: its true! | 14:22 |
| jcastro | I've had a few win10 boxes for a while if anyone has questions | 14:57 |
| jrwren | jcastro: how bad does it suck? | 14:57 |
| jrwren | jcastro: :) | 14:57 |
| jrwren | i'm j/k. | 14:57 |
| jrwren | I know that any dislike I have is really a matter of taste and old kurmudgeonness | 14:58 |
| jcastro | shrug, it's pretty good | 14:58 |
| jcastro | boot time is nice | 14:58 |
| jrwren | i'm afraid htat if i upgrade, someone will have moved my cheese and it will piss me off lots. | 14:59 |
| jcastro | they finally have virtual desktop | 14:59 |
| jrwren | oh that is right! maybe I'll love it! | 15:00 |
| cmaloney | Yay Virtual Desktop | 15:08 |
| cscheib | jrwren: that's a big step in life, admitting you've talked to Peter | 15:13 |
| cscheib | the road to recovery begins with acknowledgement | 15:14 |
| jrwren | cscheib: hahahah | 15:17 |
| cscheib | he is a vile human being | 16:07 |
| greg-g | jrwren is vile? man, don't say that in front of him | 16:11 |
| jrwren | i knew what cscheib meant. | 16:28 |
| greg-g | :P | 16:30 |
| cscheib | heh | 16:34 |
| cscheib | jrwren: I should probably be in A2 tomorrow, if you wanna grab lunch. hopefully I wake up early enough to go ou there | 16:44 |
| jrwren | cscheib: cool, sounds good. | 16:48 |
| jrwren | cscheib: should we see if jcastro is around? | 16:48 |
| cscheib | sure | 16:49 |
| jcastro | marco is here | 17:12 |
| jcastro | so yes, count us in | 17:12 |
| jcastro | we have a charm school @ 4pm though, so any time before then would be ideal | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | Marco Armet? | 17:15 |
| cscheib | don't believe I know Marco | 17:20 |
| jcastro | you don't, but I was just saying I am hosting a guest | 17:21 |
| jcastro | which means I also have transportation! | 17:21 |
| cmaloney | woo woo! | 17:21 |
| cscheib | aha | 17:22 |
| cscheib | where shall we eat? somewhere not too crazy far from State/Eisenhower | 17:22 |
| cscheib | within 5-10 min drive of there | 17:23 |
| cscheib | (including parking) | 17:23 |
| jrwren | if it is downtown, I can ride my bike :) | 17:31 |
| jrwren | i guess I can ride my bike to state/eisenhower too | 17:31 |
| jcastro | Los Amigos is good | 17:31 |
| jcastro | also bee dubs | 17:31 |
| jrwren | jcastro: Ceppi ? | 17:32 |
| jcastro | jrwren: yeah, two person sprint heh | 17:32 |
| jrwren | jcastro: cool! | 17:32 |
| jrwren | Los Amigos sounds really good to me. | 17:34 |
| cscheib | yea, no bdubs. there's enough salt in their food to season a week's worth of meals | 17:34 |
| jrwren | not to mention the clorine washed tyson chicken? :) | 17:35 |
| cscheib | that too | 17:41 |
| cscheib | I can do los amigos | 17:41 |
| cscheib | is that the place we went last timte? | 17:41 |
| cscheib | *time | 17:41 |
| jcastro | no | 17:42 |
| jcastro | this is a sitdown mexican place across from the mall | 17:42 |
| jrwren | cscheib: did I never take you there? they have great lunch specials and very reasonable prices. | 17:48 |
| jrwren | cscheib: its just before the i94 entrance when you are going south on state, on the right, behind a BP gas station | 17:49 |
| cscheib | very bodega-y? | 17:56 |
| jrwren | I am unsure. | 18:03 |
| cscheib | we went to some mexican place once, when jorge wouldn't leave the house | 18:13 |
| jrwren | lol, that was probably it. | 18:13 |
| jrwren | i can't remember where we went and didn't. I know we got Chipotle and I know we went to Madras Masala a couple ties. | 18:14 |
| jrwren | *times. | 18:14 |
| jrwren | I'd love to get back there sometimes. | 18:14 |
| jrwren | omg, cannot type. I quit. :) | 18:14 |
| cscheib | I don't recall ever going to Chipotle... we went to Frita Batido and that pizza place | 18:15 |
| cscheib | I can barely type either... I got a clicky keyboard, and it's taking some getting used to | 18:15 |
| cscheib | too used to the macbook chiclets now | 18:15 |
| jrwren | mmm... Frita | 18:16 |
| jrwren | Neopapolis, they are good too. | 18:16 |
| jrwren | we have good taste :) | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | (Chipotle is awesome) | 18:22 |
| greg-g | I dislike cilantro rice | 18:23 |
| jrwren | greg-g: WHAT?!?! | 18:24 |
| greg-g | I'm one of those who thinks cilantro tastes like soap | 18:24 |
| jrwren | greg-g: you poor poor sad man. | 18:25 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: I feel sorry for your tastebuds | 18:25 |
| jrwren | greg-g: at least you don't have it for hops. | 18:25 |
| jrwren | GENE THEARAPY!!! | 18:26 |
| greg-g | no, I just now get migraines from too many hops :/ | 18:26 |
| jrwren | lol, is it really the hops? | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: I think you need to look into transhumanisnm | 18:26 |
| greg-g | yeah | 18:26 |
| greg-g | jrwren: wheat beers like blue moon don't affect me | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | because your body is obviously defective | 18:26 |
| greg-g | I did extensive testing, believe me :) | 18:26 |
| cmaloney | What about stouts and porters or are those right out? | 18:27 |
| cmaloney | https://www.humblebundle.com/books?music_bookbundle | 18:28 |
| cmaloney | God dammit | 18:28 |
| greg-g | I haven't drank many of those mostly due to weather out here :) | 18:28 |
| cscheib | it does taste like soap | 18:29 |
| jrwren | OR6A2 gene therapy | 18:30 |
| cscheib | ugh, I need to focus on learning a language and sticking with it one of these days | 18:41 |
| jrwren | cscheib: python is the best. | 18:42 |
| cscheib | whyfor | 18:42 |
| jrwren | cuz I R developer with Opinions and no brains | 18:42 |
| cscheib | well, I knew that | 18:43 |
| cscheib | I've messed with Ruby a bit, but not done anything serious with it | 18:44 |
| cscheib | and I haven't used perl in ages, so using it again woudl pretty much be akin to relearning it | 18:44 |
| cscheib | I try not to do anything of significant complexity in bash. | 18:44 |
| jrwren | bash4 is awesome. finally, hashes in the shell. no use for perl no more :p | 18:45 |
| jrwren | and debian finally got their head out their ass and enabled /dev/tcp in bash. | 18:45 |
| cscheib | WAT https://imessageforwindows.org/ | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | I'm really liking Python | 18:45 |
| cscheib | not sure if I should install that app, but imessage on windows would be fantastic. | 18:46 |
| brousch | jrwren: You are recommending Python over C# now? | 18:46 |
| cscheib | he probably knows there's no way I'd go for C# | 18:46 |
| jrwren | brousch: hrm... really tough call. | 18:46 |
| jrwren | brousch: it depends on the use case. C# on windows, python everywhere else. | 18:46 |
| cscheib | C# and not PS? | 18:47 |
| jrwren | yes. | 18:47 |
| jrwren | PS is an abomination | 18:47 |
| jrwren | PS never should have existed. The industry is setback by years by it. | 18:47 |
| jrwren | It is sad really. | 18:47 |
| brousch | Hm, I've heard it's quite good, but then it's replacing .bat files | 18:47 |
| cscheib | every Windows person I know LOVES them some PowerShell | 18:47 |
| cscheib | especially Exchange and VMWare guys | 18:48 |
| brousch | A former Python dev I know started a PS user group he loves it so much | 18:49 |
| jrwren | oh, I didn't say it wasn't beloved. | 18:49 |
| jrwren | perl is beloved. | 18:50 |
| jrwren | its still pretty shitty. | 18:50 |
| jrwren | java is beloved. | 18:50 |
| jrwren | its still pretty shitty. | 18:50 |
| brousch | java is beloved? | 18:50 |
| jrwren | I R developer with Opinions | 18:50 |
| jrwren | brousch: fuk yeah, ever talk to java devs? they LOVE that shit | 18:50 |
| brousch | I must be missing something | 18:50 |
| cscheib | he is correct | 18:52 |
| cscheib | Java devs don't like it | 18:52 |
| cscheib | err do like it | 18:52 |
| cscheib | it's the admins that don't like it | 18:52 |
| jrwren | they still think C# is Dflat. They still think the JVM is faster than .NET. They still think the JVM is fast period. They don't see any problems with the java language. | 18:54 |
| jrwren | blows my mind everytime run into them. | 18:54 |
| jrwren | but then again, I hate almost everything :) | 18:55 |
| brousch | Well if you never try anything else ... | 18:55 |
| brousch | Doing my clean win10 install now | 18:55 |
| jrwren | i'm too scared to upgrade. I fear all will break. And I'm happy with win7, so no upgrade for me. | 18:57 |
| brousch | what happened to you? | 18:57 |
| jrwren | brousch: starcraft2. I can't be fixing a broken windows computer instead of playing sc2 | 19:00 |
| jrwren | seriously, I think I really got sick of fixing broken OS. I'd rather fix broken apps, or create new apps. | 19:01 |
| jrwren | I think win11 will be what I really like. openssh, maybe posix apis(fingers crossed). | 19:02 |
| cscheib | actually, from what I've heard, the JVM is actually pretty fast... just not interpreting Java | 19:03 |
| cscheib | jruby, clojure, etc... are fast allegedly | 19:03 |
| jrwren | cscheib: lol. fast compared to what. | 19:04 |
| jrwren | cscheib: java is faster than any of those language on JVM. | 19:04 |
| jrwren | that is hte funny part. fast is relative. faster than what? yeah, jruby is fast, because ruby is so damn slow. | 19:04 |
| cscheib | there was some discussion regarding it somewhere wrt puppet | 19:05 |
| cscheib | they chose clojure on JVM | 19:06 |
| cscheib | for performance | 19:06 |
| cscheib | for both puppetdb and puppetserver | 19:06 |
| cscheib | seems to be a popular go-to in some circles, now | 19:06 |
| jrwren | definitely. I know some folks who love it, and when you are used to Ruby, its fast. | 19:07 |
| jrwren | When you are used to C, or go, its hilarious by comparison. | 19:07 |
| cscheib | brousch: my Win10 upgrade went decently | 19:09 |
| cscheib | the only thing I really had issues with was the GeForce driver/GeForce Experience app | 19:10 |
| cscheib | the GeForce app wouldn't upgrade the drivers for me... it failed on deleting/upgrading PhysX | 19:10 |
| cscheib | so I had to use Windows to search online for the new driver | 19:10 |
| cscheib | and... then they came into some kind of agreement. | 19:11 |
| jrwren | I couldn't handle that. It'd drive me mad. | 19:17 |
| jrwren | maybe it is because my win8.1 experience was so bad and I wasted so many hours on it. | 19:17 |
| jrwren | brousch: so that is what happened to me. I started valuing my time a lot more. | 19:17 |
| cscheib | I don't mind 8.1, other than the janky start screen | 19:24 |
| cscheib | it's kinda f'ed up when you have a 1440p display, run everything in non-fullscreen windows, and then you get jolted into a full screen start menu | 19:24 |
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