[00:51] oh yeah, new lv just for lxc with an lvcache pool. [00:51] went from 33s for lxc-create to 8.5s [10:44] Good morning [11:31] <_stink_> yo [13:24] Are we having fun yet? [13:35] Of course. It's Windows 10 day! [13:36] ugh. [13:36] i'm so sick of hearing about windows 10. [13:37] i actually dread when win7 goes out of support, becuase soon after my wife will start asking for support. [13:37] It's the newest Windows! [13:37] so was windows me, at one point. [13:37] Hey, they fixed the start menu [13:37] kinda. [13:38] so now if you have more than 500 entries it'll just silently truncate them [13:38] is there a way to make windows 10 look and act just like windows 7? no? then I'm not interested :) [13:38] It has less monkey sweat than previous Windows! [13:38] because Microsoft likes hard limits [13:38] 500?!?! yow [13:38] jrwren: Windows 7 is Windows Xp all over again [13:38] It's similar to win7 [13:38] Really it's not bad [13:38] jrwren: Ars did a great write-up on Windows 10 [13:38] as is their wont [13:39] brousch: you once learned to use win8 or win81? I can't figure those out, so I do not want to waste time figuring out win10 when win7 works fine for all my use cases. [13:40] All my use cases being Starcraft2 and EAC :) [13:40] I've spent probably 100 hours using win8, and hated it [13:40] They hid most of the win8 annoyances in "tablet mode", which you can toggle easily [13:40] oh, so you really can use it like win7? [13:41] PRetty much [13:41] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ [13:41] Have to search for everything, like settings, since they moved them around [13:42] did Peter write that? [13:43] yeah, I only trust Peter so far, he is deep in it coming from a VERY different POV than me. [13:44] Yeah, it's Peter Bright [13:45] Almost like my trust of Paul Thurrot to talk about things related to MS that I couldn't care less about [13:45] but at least do some research [13:45] Unlike that tool that they got on Cranky Geeks (Enderle, iirc) [13:46] I swear Rob Enderle is like a stopped clock: only right twice a day and only for one second before he gets it completely wrong again. [13:47] I still prefer KDE [13:51] I chatted with Peter 10+yrs ago in #linux on ars irc. So maybe I know him a tiny bit better than some? But ALWAYS consider the source :) [13:51] yeah, no kidding [13:51] Thurrot, same thing. doesn't understand or use tech the same way I do, and definitely is pro-ms in everything. [13:51] jrwren: you were my go-to person for non-bullshit Windows info [13:51] I mean, the guy talks about windows phone like its a real thing. What is it? 1% of the market? [13:52] cmaloney: sorry, I left that world :) [13:52] I'm not sorry in the slightest [13:52] Well, Thurrot definitely has his head in the punchbowl looking to get the purest mixture. [13:53] And I'm sure Windows Phone is what the Windows-faithful want [13:53] Much like somoene telling me they still take Blackberry seriously. [13:54] They tend to have a junk-drawer-full of the previous generations of faith. [13:54] Same can be said about any OS, really. [14:01] cmaloney: its true. I feel like when you start talking about things with 1% market share and less, they kind of all get the same treatment. Windows Phone, Ubuntu Phone, Amiga and BeOS diehards, OS2 users, freebsd users, any bsd users. [14:01] its like, yes, your stuff works, unfortunately its also entirely irrelevant [14:03] jrwren: Yeah, it's kind of cool to see people still rocking the Amiga / BeOS [14:03] and kind of sad in a way. [14:03] I'm sure someone out there is excited about Amiga OS 4.1 [14:15] Linux desktop ... [14:22] brousch: its true! [14:57] I've had a few win10 boxes for a while if anyone has questions [14:57] jcastro: how bad does it suck? [14:57] jcastro: :) [14:57] i'm j/k. [14:58] I know that any dislike I have is really a matter of taste and old kurmudgeonness [14:58] shrug, it's pretty good [14:58] boot time is nice [14:59] i'm afraid htat if i upgrade, someone will have moved my cheese and it will piss me off lots. [14:59] they finally have virtual desktop [15:00] oh that is right! maybe I'll love it! [15:08] Yay Virtual Desktop [15:13] jrwren: that's a big step in life, admitting you've talked to Peter [15:14] the road to recovery begins with acknowledgement [15:17] cscheib: hahahah [16:07] he is a vile human being [16:11] jrwren is vile? man, don't say that in front of him [16:28] i knew what cscheib meant. [16:30] :P [16:34] heh [16:44] jrwren: I should probably be in A2 tomorrow, if you wanna grab lunch. hopefully I wake up early enough to go ou there [16:48] cscheib: cool, sounds good. [16:48] cscheib: should we see if jcastro is around? [16:49] sure [17:12] marco is here [17:12] so yes, count us in [17:12] we have a charm school @ 4pm though, so any time before then would be ideal [17:15] Marco Armet? [17:20] don't believe I know Marco [17:21] you don't, but I was just saying I am hosting a guest [17:21] which means I also have transportation! [17:21] woo woo! [17:22] aha [17:22] where shall we eat? somewhere not too crazy far from State/Eisenhower [17:23] within 5-10 min drive of there [17:23] (including parking) [17:31] if it is downtown, I can ride my bike :) [17:31] i guess I can ride my bike to state/eisenhower too [17:31] Los Amigos is good [17:31] also bee dubs [17:32] jcastro: Ceppi ? [17:32] jrwren: yeah, two person sprint heh [17:32] jcastro: cool! [17:34] Los Amigos sounds really good to me. [17:34] yea, no bdubs. there's enough salt in their food to season a week's worth of meals [17:35] not to mention the clorine washed tyson chicken? :) [17:41] that too [17:41] I can do los amigos [17:41] is that the place we went last timte? [17:41] *time [17:42] no [17:42] this is a sitdown mexican place across from the mall [17:48] cscheib: did I never take you there? they have great lunch specials and very reasonable prices. [17:49] cscheib: its just before the i94 entrance when you are going south on state, on the right, behind a BP gas station [17:56] very bodega-y? [18:03] I am unsure. [18:13] we went to some mexican place once, when jorge wouldn't leave the house [18:13] lol, that was probably it. [18:14] i can't remember where we went and didn't. I know we got Chipotle and I know we went to Madras Masala a couple ties. [18:14] *times. [18:14] I'd love to get back there sometimes. [18:14] omg, cannot type. I quit. :) [18:15] I don't recall ever going to Chipotle... we went to Frita Batido and that pizza place [18:15] I can barely type either... I got a clicky keyboard, and it's taking some getting used to [18:15] too used to the macbook chiclets now [18:16] mmm... Frita [18:16] Neopapolis, they are good too. [18:16] we have good taste :) [18:22] (Chipotle is awesome) [18:23] I dislike cilantro rice [18:24] greg-g: WHAT?!?! [18:24] I'm one of those who thinks cilantro tastes like soap [18:25] greg-g: you poor poor sad man. [18:25] greg-g: I feel sorry for your tastebuds [18:25] greg-g: at least you don't have it for hops. [18:26] GENE THEARAPY!!! [18:26] no, I just now get migraines from too many hops :/ [18:26] lol, is it really the hops? [18:26] greg-g: I think you need to look into transhumanisnm [18:26] yeah [18:26] jrwren: wheat beers like blue moon don't affect me [18:26] because your body is obviously defective [18:26] I did extensive testing, believe me :) [18:27] What about stouts and porters or are those right out? [18:28] https://www.humblebundle.com/books?music_bookbundle [18:28] God dammit [18:28] I haven't drank many of those mostly due to weather out here :) [18:29] it does taste like soap [18:30] OR6A2 gene therapy [18:41] ugh, I need to focus on learning a language and sticking with it one of these days [18:42] cscheib: python is the best. [18:42] whyfor [18:42] cuz I R developer with Opinions and no brains [18:43] well, I knew that [18:44] I've messed with Ruby a bit, but not done anything serious with it [18:44] and I haven't used perl in ages, so using it again woudl pretty much be akin to relearning it [18:44] I try not to do anything of significant complexity in bash. [18:45] bash4 is awesome. finally, hashes in the shell. no use for perl no more :p [18:45] and debian finally got their head out their ass and enabled /dev/tcp in bash. [18:45] WAT https://imessageforwindows.org/ [18:45] I'm really liking Python [18:46] not sure if I should install that app, but imessage on windows would be fantastic. [18:46] jrwren: You are recommending Python over C# now? [18:46] he probably knows there's no way I'd go for C# [18:46] brousch: hrm... really tough call. [18:46] brousch: it depends on the use case. C# on windows, python everywhere else. [18:47] C# and not PS? [18:47] yes. [18:47] PS is an abomination [18:47] PS never should have existed. The industry is setback by years by it. [18:47] It is sad really. [18:47] Hm, I've heard it's quite good, but then it's replacing .bat files [18:47] every Windows person I know LOVES them some PowerShell [18:48] especially Exchange and VMWare guys [18:49] A former Python dev I know started a PS user group he loves it so much [18:49] oh, I didn't say it wasn't beloved. [18:50] perl is beloved. [18:50] its still pretty shitty. [18:50] java is beloved. [18:50] its still pretty shitty. [18:50] java is beloved? [18:50] I R developer with Opinions [18:50] brousch: fuk yeah, ever talk to java devs? they LOVE that shit [18:50] I must be missing something [18:52] he is correct [18:52] Java devs don't like it [18:52] err do like it [18:52] it's the admins that don't like it [18:54] they still think C# is Dflat. They still think the JVM is faster than .NET. They still think the JVM is fast period. They don't see any problems with the java language. [18:54] blows my mind everytime run into them. [18:55] but then again, I hate almost everything :) [18:55] Well if you never try anything else ... [18:55] Doing my clean win10 install now [18:57] i'm too scared to upgrade. I fear all will break. And I'm happy with win7, so no upgrade for me. [18:57] what happened to you? [19:00] brousch: starcraft2. I can't be fixing a broken windows computer instead of playing sc2 [19:01] seriously, I think I really got sick of fixing broken OS. I'd rather fix broken apps, or create new apps. [19:02] I think win11 will be what I really like. openssh, maybe posix apis(fingers crossed). [19:03] actually, from what I've heard, the JVM is actually pretty fast... just not interpreting Java [19:03] jruby, clojure, etc... are fast allegedly [19:04] cscheib: lol. fast compared to what. [19:04] cscheib: java is faster than any of those language on JVM. [19:04] that is hte funny part. fast is relative. faster than what? yeah, jruby is fast, because ruby is so damn slow. [19:05] there was some discussion regarding it somewhere wrt puppet [19:06] they chose clojure on JVM [19:06] for performance [19:06] for both puppetdb and puppetserver [19:06] seems to be a popular go-to in some circles, now [19:07] definitely. I know some folks who love it, and when you are used to Ruby, its fast. [19:07] When you are used to C, or go, its hilarious by comparison. [19:09] brousch: my Win10 upgrade went decently [19:10] the only thing I really had issues with was the GeForce driver/GeForce Experience app [19:10] the GeForce app wouldn't upgrade the drivers for me... it failed on deleting/upgrading PhysX [19:10] so I had to use Windows to search online for the new driver [19:11] and... then they came into some kind of agreement. [19:17] I couldn't handle that. It'd drive me mad. [19:17] maybe it is because my win8.1 experience was so bad and I wasted so many hours on it. [19:17] brousch: so that is what happened to me. I started valuing my time a lot more. [19:24] I don't mind 8.1, other than the janky start screen [19:24] it's kinda f'ed up when you have a 1440p display, run everything in non-fullscreen windows, and then you get jolted into a full screen start menu