[00:51] <jrwren> oh yeah, new lv just for lxc with an lvcache pool.
[00:51] <jrwren> went from 33s for lxc-create to 8.5s
[10:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:31] <_stink_> yo
[13:24] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[13:35] <brousch> Of course. It's Windows 10 day!
[13:36] <jrwren> ugh.
[13:36] <jrwren> i'm so sick of hearing about windows 10.
[13:37] <jrwren> i actually dread when win7 goes out of support, becuase soon after my wife will start asking for support.
[13:37] <brousch> It's the newest Windows!
[13:37] <jrwren> so was windows me, at one point.
[13:37] <cmaloney> Hey, they fixed the start menu
[13:37] <jrwren> kinda.
[13:38] <cmaloney> so now if you have more than 500 entries it'll just silently truncate them
[13:38] <jrwren> is there a way to make windows 10 look and act just like windows 7? no? then I'm not interested :)
[13:38] <brousch> It has less monkey sweat than previous Windows!
[13:38] <cmaloney> because Microsoft likes hard limits
[13:38] <jrwren> 500?!?! yow
[13:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: Windows 7 is Windows Xp all over again
[13:38] <brousch> It's similar to win7
[13:38] <brousch> Really it's not bad
[13:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ars did a great write-up on Windows 10
[13:38] <cmaloney> as is their wont
[13:39] <jrwren> brousch: you once learned to use win8 or win81?  I can't figure those out, so I do not want to waste time figuring out win10 when win7 works fine for all my use cases.
[13:40] <jrwren> All my use cases being Starcraft2 and EAC :)
[13:40] <brousch> I've spent probably 100 hours using win8, and hated it
[13:40] <brousch> They hid most of the win8 annoyances in "tablet mode", which you can toggle easily
[13:40] <jrwren> oh, so you really can use it like win7?
[13:41] <brousch> PRetty much
[13:41] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/
[13:41] <brousch> Have to search for everything, like settings, since they moved them around
[13:42] <jrwren> did Peter write that?
[13:43] <jrwren> yeah, I only trust Peter so far, he is deep in it coming from a VERY different POV than me.
[13:44] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's Peter Bright
[13:45] <cmaloney> Almost like my trust of Paul Thurrot to talk about things related to MS that I couldn't care less about
[13:45] <cmaloney> but at least do some research
[13:45] <cmaloney> Unlike that tool that they got on Cranky Geeks (Enderle, iirc)
[13:46] <cmaloney> I swear Rob Enderle is like a stopped clock: only right twice a day and only for one second before he gets it completely wrong again.
[13:47] <brousch> I still prefer KDE
[13:51] <jrwren> I chatted with Peter 10+yrs ago in #linux on ars irc. So maybe I know him a tiny bit better than some? But ALWAYS consider the source :)
[13:51] <cmaloney> yeah, no kidding
[13:51] <jrwren> Thurrot, same thing. doesn't understand or use tech the same way I do, and definitely is pro-ms in everything.
[13:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: you were my go-to person for non-bullshit Windows info
[13:51] <jrwren> I mean, the guy talks about windows phone like its a real thing. What is it? 1% of the market?
[13:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: sorry, I left that world :)
[13:52] <cmaloney> I'm not sorry in the slightest
[13:52] <cmaloney> Well, Thurrot definitely has his head in the punchbowl looking to get the purest mixture.
[13:53] <cmaloney> And I'm sure Windows Phone is what the Windows-faithful want
[13:53] <cmaloney> Much like somoene telling me they still take Blackberry seriously.
[13:54] <cmaloney> They tend to have a junk-drawer-full of the previous generations of faith.
[13:54] <cmaloney> Same can be said about any OS, really.
[14:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: its true. I feel like when you start talking about things with 1% market share and less, they kind of all get the same treatment. Windows Phone, Ubuntu Phone, Amiga and BeOS diehards, OS2 users, freebsd users, any bsd users.
[14:01] <jrwren> its like, yes, your stuff works, unfortunately its also entirely irrelevant
[14:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, it's kind of cool to see people still rocking the Amiga / BeOS
[14:03] <cmaloney> and kind of sad in a way.
[14:03] <cmaloney> I'm sure someone out there is excited about Amiga OS 4.1
[14:15] <brousch> Linux desktop ...
[14:22] <jrwren> brousch: its true!
[14:57] <jcastro> I've had a few win10 boxes for a while if anyone has questions
[14:57] <jrwren> jcastro: how bad does it suck?
[14:57] <jrwren> jcastro: :)
[14:57] <jrwren> i'm j/k.
[14:58] <jrwren> I know that any dislike I have is really a matter of taste and old kurmudgeonness
[14:58] <jcastro> shrug, it's pretty good
[14:58] <jcastro> boot time is nice
[14:59] <jrwren> i'm afraid htat if i upgrade, someone will have moved my cheese and it will piss me off lots.
[14:59] <jcastro> they finally have virtual desktop
[15:00] <jrwren> oh that is right! maybe I'll love it!
[15:08] <cmaloney> Yay Virtual Desktop
[15:13] <cscheib> jrwren: that's a big step in life, admitting you've talked to Peter
[15:14] <cscheib> the road to recovery begins with acknowledgement
[15:17] <jrwren> cscheib: hahahah
[16:07] <cscheib> he is a vile human being
[16:11] <greg-g> jrwren is vile? man, don't say that in front of him
[16:28] <jrwren> i knew what cscheib meant.
[16:30] <greg-g> :P
[16:34] <cscheib> heh
[16:44] <cscheib> jrwren: I should probably be in A2 tomorrow, if you wanna grab lunch.  hopefully I wake up early enough to go ou there
[16:48] <jrwren> cscheib: cool, sounds good.
[16:48] <jrwren> cscheib: should we see if jcastro is around?
[16:49] <cscheib> sure
[17:12] <jcastro> marco is here
[17:12] <jcastro> so yes, count us in
[17:12] <jcastro> we have a charm school @ 4pm though, so any time before then would be ideal
[17:15] <cmaloney> Marco Armet?
[17:20] <cscheib> don't believe I know Marco
[17:21] <jcastro> you don't, but I was just saying I am hosting a guest
[17:21] <jcastro> which means I also have transportation!
[17:21] <cmaloney> woo woo!
[17:22] <cscheib> aha
[17:22] <cscheib> where shall we eat?  somewhere not too crazy far from State/Eisenhower
[17:23] <cscheib> within 5-10 min drive of there
[17:23] <cscheib> (including parking)
[17:31] <jrwren> if it is downtown, I can ride my bike :)
[17:31] <jrwren> i guess I can ride my bike to state/eisenhower too
[17:31] <jcastro> Los Amigos is good
[17:31] <jcastro> also bee dubs
[17:32] <jrwren> jcastro: Ceppi ?
[17:32] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah, two person sprint heh
[17:32] <jrwren> jcastro: cool!
[17:34] <jrwren> Los Amigos sounds really good to me.
[17:34] <cscheib> yea, no bdubs. there's enough salt in their food to season a week's worth of meals
[17:35] <jrwren> not to mention the clorine washed tyson chicken? :)
[17:41] <cscheib> that too
[17:41] <cscheib> I can do los amigos
[17:41] <cscheib> is that the place we went last timte?
[17:41] <cscheib> *time
[17:42] <jcastro> no
[17:42] <jcastro> this is a sitdown mexican place across from the mall
[17:48] <jrwren> cscheib: did I never take you there? they have great lunch specials and very reasonable prices.
[17:49] <jrwren> cscheib: its just before the i94 entrance when you are going south on state, on the right, behind a BP gas station
[17:56] <cscheib> very bodega-y?
[18:03] <jrwren> I am unsure.
[18:13] <cscheib> we went to some mexican place once, when jorge wouldn't leave the house
[18:13] <jrwren> lol, that was probably it.
[18:14] <jrwren> i can't remember where we went and didn't. I know we got Chipotle and I know we went to Madras Masala a couple ties.
[18:14] <jrwren> *times.
[18:14] <jrwren> I'd love to get back there sometimes.
[18:14] <jrwren> omg, cannot type. I quit. :)
[18:15] <cscheib> I don't recall ever going to Chipotle... we went to Frita Batido and that pizza place
[18:15] <cscheib> I can barely type either... I got a clicky keyboard, and it's taking some getting used to
[18:15] <cscheib> too used to the macbook chiclets now
[18:16] <jrwren> mmm... Frita
[18:16] <jrwren> Neopapolis, they are good too.
[18:16] <jrwren> we have good taste :)
[18:22] <cmaloney> (Chipotle is awesome)
[18:23] <greg-g> I dislike cilantro rice
[18:24] <jrwren> greg-g: WHAT?!?!
[18:24] <greg-g> I'm one of those who thinks cilantro tastes like soap
[18:25] <jrwren> greg-g: you poor poor sad man.
[18:25] <cmaloney> greg-g: I feel sorry for your tastebuds
[18:25] <jrwren> greg-g: at least you don't have it for hops.
[18:26] <jrwren> GENE THEARAPY!!!
[18:26] <greg-g> no, I just now get migraines from too many hops :/
[18:26] <jrwren> lol, is it really the hops?
[18:26] <cmaloney> greg-g: I think you need to look into transhumanisnm
[18:26] <greg-g> yeah
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: wheat beers like blue moon don't affect me
[18:26] <cmaloney> because your body is obviously defective
[18:26] <greg-g> I did extensive testing, believe me :)
[18:27] <cmaloney> What about stouts and porters or are those right out?
[18:28] <cmaloney> https://www.humblebundle.com/books?music_bookbundle
[18:28] <cmaloney> God dammit
[18:28] <greg-g> I haven't drank many of those mostly due to weather out here :)
[18:29] <cscheib> it does taste like soap
[18:30] <jrwren> OR6A2 gene therapy
[18:41] <cscheib> ugh, I need to focus on learning a language and sticking with it one of these days
[18:42] <jrwren> cscheib: python is the best.
[18:42] <cscheib> whyfor
[18:42] <jrwren> cuz I R developer with Opinions and no brains
[18:43] <cscheib> well, I knew that
[18:44] <cscheib> I've messed with Ruby a bit, but not done anything serious with it
[18:44] <cscheib> and I haven't used perl in ages, so using it again woudl pretty much be akin to relearning it
[18:44] <cscheib> I try not to do anything of significant complexity in bash.
[18:45] <jrwren> bash4 is awesome. finally, hashes in the shell. no use for perl no more :p
[18:45] <jrwren> and debian finally got their head out their ass and enabled /dev/tcp in bash.
[18:45] <cscheib> WAT https://imessageforwindows.org/
[18:45] <cmaloney> I'm really liking Python
[18:46] <cscheib> not sure if I should install that app, but imessage on windows would be fantastic.
[18:46] <brousch> jrwren: You are recommending Python over C# now?
[18:46] <cscheib> he probably knows there's no way I'd go for C#
[18:46] <jrwren> brousch: hrm... really tough call.
[18:46] <jrwren> brousch: it depends on the use case. C# on windows, python everywhere else.
[18:47] <cscheib> C# and not PS?
[18:47] <jrwren> yes.
[18:47] <jrwren> PS is an abomination
[18:47] <jrwren> PS never should have existed. The industry is setback by years by it.
[18:47] <jrwren> It is sad really.
[18:47] <brousch> Hm, I've heard it's quite good, but then it's replacing .bat files
[18:47] <cscheib> every Windows person I know LOVES them some PowerShell
[18:48] <cscheib> especially Exchange and VMWare guys
[18:49] <brousch> A former Python dev I know started a PS user group he loves it so much
[18:49] <jrwren> oh, I didn't say it wasn't beloved.
[18:50] <jrwren> perl is beloved.
[18:50] <jrwren> its still pretty shitty.
[18:50] <jrwren> java is beloved.
[18:50] <jrwren> its still pretty shitty.
[18:50] <brousch> java is beloved?
[18:50] <jrwren> I R developer with Opinions
[18:50] <jrwren> brousch: fuk yeah, ever talk to java devs? they LOVE that shit
[18:50] <brousch> I must be missing something
[18:52] <cscheib> he is correct
[18:52] <cscheib> Java devs don't like it
[18:52] <cscheib> err do like it
[18:52] <cscheib> it's the admins that don't like it
[18:54] <jrwren> they still think C# is Dflat. They still think the JVM is faster than .NET. They still think the JVM is fast period. They don't see any problems with the java language.
[18:54] <jrwren> blows my mind everytime run into them.
[18:55] <jrwren> but then again, I hate almost everything :)
[18:55] <brousch> Well if you never try anything else ...
[18:55] <brousch> Doing my clean win10 install now
[18:57] <jrwren> i'm too scared to upgrade. I fear all will break. And I'm happy with win7, so no upgrade for me.
[18:57] <brousch> what happened to you?
[19:00] <jrwren> brousch: starcraft2. I can't be fixing a broken windows computer instead of playing sc2
[19:01] <jrwren> seriously, I think I really got sick of fixing broken OS. I'd rather fix broken apps, or create new apps.
[19:02] <jrwren> I think win11 will be what I really like. openssh, maybe posix apis(fingers crossed).
[19:03] <cscheib> actually, from what I've heard, the JVM is actually pretty fast... just not interpreting Java
[19:03] <cscheib> jruby, clojure, etc... are fast allegedly
[19:04] <jrwren> cscheib: lol. fast compared to what.
[19:04] <jrwren> cscheib: java is faster than any of those language on JVM.
[19:04] <jrwren> that is hte funny part. fast is relative. faster than what? yeah, jruby is fast, because ruby is so damn slow.
[19:05] <cscheib> there was some discussion regarding it somewhere wrt puppet
[19:06] <cscheib> they chose clojure on JVM
[19:06] <cscheib> for performance
[19:06] <cscheib> for both puppetdb and puppetserver
[19:06] <cscheib> seems to be a popular go-to in some circles, now
[19:07] <jrwren> definitely. I know some folks who love it, and when you are used to Ruby, its fast.
[19:07] <jrwren> When you are used to C, or go, its hilarious by comparison.
[19:09] <cscheib> brousch: my Win10 upgrade went decently
[19:10] <cscheib> the only thing I really had issues with was the GeForce driver/GeForce Experience app
[19:10] <cscheib> the GeForce app wouldn't upgrade the drivers for me... it failed on deleting/upgrading PhysX
[19:10] <cscheib> so I had to use Windows to search online for the new driver
[19:11] <cscheib> and... then they came into some kind of agreement.
[19:17] <jrwren> I couldn't handle that. It'd drive me mad.
[19:17] <jrwren> maybe it is because my win8.1 experience was so bad and I wasted so many hours on it.
[19:17] <jrwren> brousch: so that is what happened to me. I started valuing my time a lot more.
[19:24] <cscheib> I don't mind 8.1, other than the janky start screen
[19:24] <cscheib> it's kinda f'ed up when you have a 1440p display, run everything in non-fullscreen windows, and then you get jolted into a full screen start menu