[01:48] <mhall119> shadeslayer: not likely, but dholbach, dpm and/or popey might
[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:32] <lordievader> soee: How did your upgrade go?
[07:48] <lordievader> !testers | last day of Alpha2 testing, if you have time please test :)
[08:03] <Riddell> mparillo: thanks for testing upgrades, I guess I really need to look into that
[08:22] <sbivol> hi, I would like to ask about KDE updates for Kubuntu 15.04: I have reported several bugs to KDE only to find out that all of them have been fixed long ago, but the fixes are not in Kubuntu packages. this is true for the official packages and also for the Kubuntu PPA packages
[08:23] <sbivol> is there something I could do to help backport these bugfixes to Kubuntu packages?
[08:26] <Riddell> sbivol: testing needed now for Frameworks 5.12 update
[08:26] <Riddell> sbivol: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks
[08:26] <sgclark> sbivol: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks needs testing, then I can copy to backports and finish plasma
[08:43] <Riddell> ScottK: 5.12 frameworks packages are syncing into wily, do you know anything about that?
[08:46] <ScottK> Riddell: no.
[08:46] <Riddell> hum, who would?
[08:46] <Riddell> is the sync script logged?
[08:47] <ScottK> I recall a mention that the sync script was broken so it was stopped.
[08:49] <ScottK> Maybe it was broken than they thought.
[08:50] <Riddell> well it shouldn't do any harm
[08:51] <Riddell> sonnet 5.12.0-1 (Accepted)   Artur Rona 
[08:52] <Riddell> it's ari-tczew
[08:53] <Riddell> note to self: this needs fixed should be easy enough https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-kdelibs4support/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[09:03] <sbivol> now I use frameworks version 5.9.0. kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks offers 5.12.0. I'll upgrade and report back
[09:21] <sbivol> is it a known bug that highlighting an item in the K menu (mouse hover) works only for half of the items?
[09:22] <sbivol> it's pretty visible, and upgrading Frameworks has not fixed it
[09:24] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: are you at Rialta?
[09:27] <Riddell> he is at the uni
[09:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ^^
[09:33] <santa_> good morning doko, any news about musicbrainz and openbabel?
[09:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh ok
[09:36] <doko> santa_, no, will have a look
[09:36] <santa_> ok, btw we are working on gcc 5 stuff right @ akademy
[09:41] <santa_> Riddell: kitemmodels had a patch, but it seems it's not in git yet http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/kitemmodels/
[09:45] <santa_> same for kjs and kcoreaddons
[09:48] <Riddell> ScottK: it's probably a good idea to merge in the various gcc changes to debian branches for frameworks since debian is switching to gcc 5 too
[09:48] <ScottK> Yep.  If someone can make a list of the packages, I can take a look at that.
[09:49] <ScottK> Did Qt need patches?
[09:49] <ScottK> That's probably first in any case.
[09:56] <santa_> ScottK: about qt I don't know, but I will make an experimental build here to give you a clue. about frameworks anything with a subfolder here was patched http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/
[10:00] <santa_> ScottK: oh, and also note that there's non-kde stuff which may hinder your work on this, for instance, for us (= kubuntu) plasma-workspace failed to build like this https://paste.kde.org/pu0e0mtcq
[10:01] <santa_> they were other ftbfs'es following that patttern, that kind of build failure happens because you need a non-kde library which broke it's abi
[10:03] <santa_> in the plasma-workspace case it was libqalculate, which will need a transition, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791159
[10:10]  * Riddell publishes http://jriddell.org/2015/07/30/akademy-day-trip/
[10:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:10] <Riddell> hi clivejo, how did you get on?
[10:12] <clivejo> not good
[10:12] <Riddell> clivejo: what's up?
[10:12] <clivejo> cant understand why the files arent being put into the correct packages
[10:13] <Riddell> clivejo: got an example?
[10:14] <clivejo> the icon files being listed by dh_install --missing-files
[10:17] <Riddell> clivejo: there's no icon files there
[10:18] <Riddell> just these two I see which need added somewhere
[10:18] <Riddell> usr/share/kde4/services/calligra/calligra_filter_karbon2image.desktop
[10:18] <Riddell> usr/share/kde4/services/calligra/krita_presethistory.desktop
[10:19] <clivejo> usr/share/calligraactive/qml/DocumentTypeSelector.qml 
[10:20] <clivejo> is in calligracative.install
[10:21] <clivejo> but dh_install says its not installed anywhere7
[10:22] <Riddell> clivejo: calligraactive isn't built any more, it's not in debian/control so no package is made so it will still get listed in --list-missing
[10:22] <Riddell> clivejo: upstream says calligraactive is dead for now so we don't want to make that package
[10:22] <clivejo> oh
[10:23] <clivejo> put them in here?
[10:24] <clivejo> calligra-data.install?
[10:30] <Riddell> clivejo: no leave the active files in calligracative.install and we'll not package them
[10:30] <Riddell> upstream doesn't want them packaged
[10:30] <Riddell> they're just being lazy and installing them anyway
[10:30] <clivejo> dont they know how confusing that is for newbies!!
[10:32] <clivejo> the two .desktop files I put them in calligra-data.install, so that right or wrong?
[10:34] <Riddell> clivejo: krita_presethistory.desktop I guess goes into krita.install
[10:34] <Riddell> and calligra_filter_karbon2image.desktop into karbon
[10:34] <Riddell> although there's not always right answers with these things
[10:39] <clivejo> ok done
[10:47] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: I'm at the KDE Connect BoF
[11:01] <Riddell> clivejo: woo, so check the packages install with   dpkg --install ?
[11:27] <lordievader> Riddell: Do we have release notes for Alpha2?
[11:36] <mparillo> Drafted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[11:37] <lordievader> I had just found that page, thanks.
[11:37] <mparillo> Need me to add the link to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha2
[11:37] <lordievader> Already on it.
[11:39] <lordievader> mparillo: I suppose http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/alpha-2/ will become available once it is released?
[11:40] <mparillo> Actually it becomes availabe before the official release announcment. I recall jumping the gun once.
[11:40] <lordievader> Ok, I'll add that link too.
[11:42] <lordievader> mparillo: Do you have time to do some more amd64 testing? Else I'll ask it to be marked ready.
[11:46] <lordievader> ^ whoop whoop
[11:56] <mparillo> For some reason, I have not been able to start 64-bit images on any of my VMs or on my poor little netbook. And with no new images, I think we are as good as we are likely to be.
[11:57] <mparillo> Whoops. I am 10 minutes late, but I agree.
[11:59] <lordievader> For me the 64bit worked fine. I even tried it on real hardware (needed to fix something about my install)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:53] <BluesKaj>  just heard a sonic revelation ..listened to some of fav music on lossless flac without pulseaudio in the mix, the change for the better is quite something
[12:56] <BluesKaj> btw, i did a clean install without my old ~/ and the problem with the desktop not loading disappeared, actully Wily alpha 2 seems quite fine atm
[12:57] <Riddell> lordievader, mparillo: thanks for the release notes page
[12:58] <ahoneybun__> mparillo: ping
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Riddell: so need for me the file a bug about nvidia nouveau not loading the desktop, since the problem was my own 
[12:59] <Riddell> BluesKaj: if it's a problem of your making then no bug needed :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  exactly :-)
[13:00] <mparillo_> Riddell: YW. ahoneybun__ Pong
[13:05] <soee_> lordievader: i had problem with networkmanager package as you mentioned
[13:07] <ahoneybun__> mparillo_: know anything about amarok?
[13:09] <mparillo_> Other than Mamarok_vactn has a bad connection while on vacation ;-) Seriously, I have only played the test tune.
[13:09] <lordievader> soee_: The modemmanager you mean?
[13:10] <soee_> lordievader: yeah probably, can remember now :)
[13:10] <lordievader> soee_: Right but nothing major right? (A simple apt-get dist-upgrade fixed it for me)
[13:13] <soee_> yes, and system works fine :)
[13:13] <soee_> it was my parents PC, upgraded from Vivid
[13:19] <lordievader> soee_: Good to hear.
[13:24] <BluesKaj> wily alpa 2 seems quite stable on my pc so far , so i dropped the debian install since i realized I'd better get used to plasma 5 and it's quirks, since it's not going away anytime soon
[13:28] <soee_> :D
[13:28] <soee_> Plasma 5.4 next month
[13:28] <lordievader> Ohh, nice.
[13:44] <Riddell> soee_: next week for the beta
[13:47] <soee_> Riddell: yes but i think it wil take time till we have Wily pakages right ?
[13:48] <Riddell> soee_: dunno depends how well the scripts work
[13:54] <soee_> i see KF 5.12.0 are almost  ready :)
[14:04] <Riddell> ahoneybun: qtmultimedia5-dev
[14:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[14:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/frameworkintegration.git/
[14:31] <soee_> Riddell: held back since few days in Wily: libavcodec-extra
[14:51] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/paumtpifo
[15:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[15:38] <snele> hi guys. when do you plan to remove muon package manager from repositories?
[15:38] <snele> discover cannot search for and install packages
[15:39] <snele> so I would hate to tell some kubuntu newbie "open konsole and type sudo apt-get..."
[15:39] <snele> :)
[15:40] <snele> bte muon is great package manager. too bad it is unmaintained
[15:40] <Riddell> snele: hopefully a new maintainer will appear for muon package manager and it won't be removed
[15:45] <valorie> snele: also not just plain apt works: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[15:45] <valorie> err, `
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Neo31:  I still use muon as apackage reference guide, it's still more detailed than software center 
[15:54] <BluesKaj> oops snele. rather
[15:56] <snele> BluesKaj: yea me too. its main kubuntu tool for me :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> snele:  I didn't realize it's no longer maintained , that's a shame, but I'm going to keep using it til it stops giving accurate info
[16:00] <snele> for noobs it is important not to scare the away with konsole and apt. I just tell them for exmpl open muon and install icedtea-plugin
[16:00] <snele> *scare them
[16:02] <snele> btw I loved synaptic, but now synaptic kinda suck compared to muon. at least for me :)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> I was using synaptic in debian, and it's getting clunky 
[16:52] <santa_> sgclark: try with this one for kjs http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/kjs/0001-Update-i386-symbols.patch
[16:53] <santa_> the other one was, indeed already applied, however they were sutile differences between amd64 and i386 symbols
[17:28] <mparillo_> I have not seen the announcement, but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/alpha-2/ is out there.
[17:30] <valorie> cool
[17:31] <valorie> I'll wait to upgrade until Akademy is over
[17:31] <mparillo_> I am ready to hit enter on the news item. Last-minute edits on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha2/Kubuntu welcome
[17:31] <valorie> one of my good friends has died
[17:31] <valorie> terrible
[17:32] <valorie> Nóirín Plunkett, I met her in linuxchix
[17:33] <valorie> wonderful vibrant FOSS activist
[17:37] <BluesKaj> that's too bad valorie, sorry for your loss 
[17:48] <valorie> it's a loss for all of us
[17:48] <valorie> thank you, BluesKaj
[17:48] <BluesKaj> also a loss for FOSS unfortunately 
[17:49] <BluesKaj> we need more linux chicks to help spread the word 
[17:50] <valorie> indeed
[17:53] <BluesKaj> I gave my daughter my elcheapo acer laptop with kubuntu 10.04 on it and she used it til the thing died nearly a yr later and she never found a reason to switch to windows 
[18:05] <valorie> hmmm, I installed the new redshift widget, but redshift wasn't installed
[18:05] <valorie> isn't that a packaging error?
[18:09] <mparillo_> My daughter prefers to run Kubuntu Wily on better HW over Win7 on decent HW and much better than WinXP on aging HW. 
[18:15] <BluesKaj> daughter bought anew Lenovo laptop that has W8.1 , but she hardly uses it now that she also has a Samsung Galaxy S5. I haven't bothered her about putting Linux on it 
[18:16] <BluesKaj> linux on the laptop 
[18:22] <mparillo_> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-wily-alpha-2
[18:25] <lordievader> mparillo_: \o/
[18:27] <mparillo_> Another plus: A clean install got me my dropbox icon for the first time since Plasma 5: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68382-Dropbox-icon-does-not-show-in-system-tray-with-KB-15-04&p=377059&viewfull=1#post377059
[18:31] <BluesKaj> mparillo_:  oh really>? i had given up on ever seeing the dropbox link again
[18:31] <lordievader> mparillo_: That is good to hear :)
[18:31] <mparillo_> I have the ksnapshot in the URL to prove it.
[18:31] <claydoh> mparillo_: kudos for posting in the forum ;)
[18:32] <mparillo_> Kubuntu is a great distro in part due to these channels, and KFN is part of it.
[18:33] <claydoh> I was surprised that skype's icon was showing up again
[18:33] <mparillo_> I have not downloaded Skype in a while. And I always use the partner repo for it anyway
[18:52] <BluesKaj> mparillo_:  nice to see dropbox KDE integration instead o using that workaround on Richard A Johnson's blog
[19:09] <Riddell> lordievader: woo well done on your first alpha release!
[19:09] <lordievader> Heh, thanks :D
[19:54] <Riddell> clivejo: all good?
[19:55] <clivejo> Riddell: no idea!
[19:56] <clivejo> Im debating mowing the lawn!
[19:59] <clivejo> how about you?
[20:02] <Riddell> clivejo: I'm lovely thanks :)
[20:03] <Riddell> clivejo: now calligra, have you built the source package for me to sign and upload?
[20:03] <Riddell> clivejo: have you checked it installs?
[20:03] <clivejo> no I havent
[20:03] <clivejo> but I did install Windows 10
[20:03]  * clivejo ducks and hides
[20:04]  * mamarley throws a Tux doll at clivejo.
[20:04] <clivejo> I know I know
[20:05] <clivejo> but is there any way to have voice control on Kubuntu as default?
[20:05] <clivejo> like in kRunner?
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: Simon should allow that
[20:09] <Riddell> but it's not by default
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: there's a long standing todo item to update all the accessibility profiles including using Simon
[20:10] <Riddell> a task for the taking :)
[20:10] <Riddell> clivejo: how's Windows 10?
[20:10] <Riddell> is it 1.9 better than windows 8.1?
[20:12] <VeryBewitching> :D
[20:12] <VeryBewitching> 1.9 version levels more proprietary I would wager.
[20:12] <clivejo> so far so good
[20:13] <clivejo> I hate 8 and 8.1 
[20:13] <clivejo> but 10 I could work with
[20:17] <lordievader> clivejo: Is it worth upgrading from Win7?
[20:19] <clivejo> I prefer 7 to be honest
[20:19] <clivejo> its very slow
[20:20] <VeryBewitching> I nuked my Windows 7 partition about 3 weeks ago, I don't think I'll install it in anything but a VM ever again.
[20:21] <lordievader> I'm kind of doubting if I'll upgrade or not.
[20:22] <clivejo> I wouldnt bother!
[20:22] <lordievader> Hmm, interesting. Why not?
[20:23] <clivejo> there are no advantages
[20:23] <VeryBewitching> I had it installed for 3 games I played that weren't supported on Linux, so I just ran installs through PlayOnLinux
[20:23] <clivejo> its slower and will probably be buggy for a while too
[20:23] <VeryBewitching> The other 30 games or so I play with some regularity run natively in Linux through Steam.
[20:24] <lordievader> Hmm, good arguments. I'll guess I back off with the upgrade.
[20:24] <clivejo> but its only been a few hours
[20:24] <VeryBewitching> I honestly feel that with the productivity suites, utilities and user experience advantages of a Linux desktop, Windows is nothing more than a media platform for my uses.
[20:26] <lordievader> VeryBewitching: I use Windows for Lightroom. 
[20:26] <VeryBewitching> What's that?
[20:26] <lordievader> Photoediting program. And it works really nice, hence I do not want to get rid of Windows.
[20:27] <VeryBewitching> VirtualBox + ISO = win
[20:27] <VeryBewitching> :D
[20:27] <VeryBewitching> I've really taken to Krita, those folks are doing quite well
[20:27] <lordievader> VeryBewitching: My Windows install can already be booted as a VM ;)
[20:28] <lordievader> Or booted physically if performance is critical.
[20:28] <VeryBewitching> lordievader: Nice.  I think the main blockage with keeping it on my SSD is that it has a 15GB foot print barebones
[20:29] <VeryBewitching> lordievader: If I can run anything throubh an emulator, it's better than 15GB of overhead for a handful of applications.
[20:42]  * clivejo doesnt like krita
[20:42] <clivejo> building files for no reason!
[20:42] <Riddell> krita is awesome, but you need to be an artist and you need to like dark theme
[20:43] <VeryBewitching> Riddell: Krita supports .color files that your user has access to.
[20:43] <clivejo> Riddell: how do we get it off the EC?
[20:43] <VeryBewitching> It defaults to a dark theme though.
[20:44] <Riddell> clivejo: if you make the source package I can sign it and you can upload it
[20:45] <clivejo> I like that idea, if you sign it, you get the blame for my mistakes!
[20:46] <clivejo> if I do a debuild -S now then?
[20:46] <clivejo> you can push it to LP?
[20:49] <Riddell> clivejo: it's good to upload to ubuntu
[20:49] <Riddell> clivejo: so remove the ~ubuntufoo~ppa1 from debian/changelog
[20:49] <Riddell> and run debuild -S again
[20:53] <clivejo> ok donw
[20:53] <clivejo> cant sign it thou
[20:58] <Riddell> clivejo: I've singed it
[20:58] <Riddell> and signed it
[20:58] <Riddell> clivejo: so dput ubuntu the .changes files
[21:00] <clivejo> that ok?
[21:00] <Riddell> clivejo: go for it!
[21:01] <clivejo> Riddell: whistles
[21:03] <clivejo> fake signature?!?
[21:03] <Riddell> clivejo: nah the server just doesn't know about any gpg keys
[21:03] <Riddell> dput -u
[21:04] <Riddell> clivejo: awooga!
[21:04] <clivejo> in english?
[21:05] <clivejo> did I hear there is a new plasma being tested?
[21:07] <soee_> not yet
[21:08] <clivejo> Riddell: you gonna shut the EC down?
[21:19] <clivejo> Riddell: where/how do I see the build status?
[21:20] <Riddell> clivejo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.9.6-0ubuntu1
[21:20] <clivejo> :)
[21:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[21:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: apt-get build-dep PACKAGE
[22:16] <clivejo> anyone know where the source for this is http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ClamAV-GUI?content=170782
[22:17] <clivejo> nevermind, found it