[06:15] * Kilos waves === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:00] * slangasek waves [15:00] * infinity grunts. [15:00] * genii sips [15:00] * doko curses [15:01] burps [15:01] crap [15:01] * sil2100 curses [15:01] forgot to /me, I ruined it! [15:01] well that's .. different? [15:01] #startmeeting [15:01] Meeting started Thu Jul 30 15:01:45 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:02] o/ [15:02] o/ [15:03] [TOPIC] Welcome, Tiago! === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Welcome, Tiago! [15:03] o/ [15:03] hey, so some of you will have seen the mail from me today... we have a new team member joining us for the first time this week :) [15:03] yeah! [15:03] glad to be here =) [15:04] tdaitx is taking on the java maintainer position, and I'm sure is having fun drinking from the new-starter firehose [15:04] tdaitx: good to have you on board! [15:04] indeed [15:04] hey tdaitx, welcome! [15:04] tdaitx: anything you want to tell the team about yourself? [15:04] tdaitx: Welcome fellow Java person. [15:05] tdaitx: I hope you really, really, really like Germans. [15:05] welcome tdaitx! [15:05] well, I lived for 3 months at Germany once ;-) [15:05] good memories [15:06] tdaitx: Well, you're about to work very closely with someone who's lived in Germany for about 80 years. [15:06] Ish. [15:07] fein, fast jeder hier spricht deutsch (although slangasek's is a bit rusty) [15:07] jawoll! [15:08] don't forget to bring the cachaca for the next sprint =) [15:08] mien Deutch nie war nicht rostig [15:08] also it seems to have lost an s somewhere [15:08] My German is also not roasting. [15:08] well, what can I say, I have been involved with software development for quite a long time, moved from php to java to IDL to infrastructure and back and forth =) [15:08] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:08] oops [15:09] [TOPIC] Welcome, Tiago! === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Welcome, Tiago! [15:09] ;) [15:09] Hahahaha. [15:09] slangasek: I can only assume the PHP bit wasn't on his resume. [15:09] I have been looking into joining canonical for a while and for some reason slangasek and doko agreed to it a few weeks back [15:09] ;-) [15:10] infinity: people don't like to brag about the dark parts in their lives. [15:10] lol [15:10] Dark parts indeed..! [15:10] hmm I don't remember seeing php /or/ IDL on there, but maybe that was selective blindness ;) [15:10] * sil2100 shrugs in terror [15:10] yeah, it was left out in purpose [15:10] :) [15:11] Well played. [15:11] tdaitx: Just one question: how do you feel about BSD? [15:11] is this one of those tricky questions? [15:12] It's an inside joke, don't worry. We'll fill you in when one of us gets a little bit unsober. [15:12] I have gone as far as installing nas4free [15:12] I nominate slangasek. [15:12] mmhmm [15:13] I still haven't heard that BSD joke. [15:13] right, so /now/ I think it's time to move on ;) [15:13] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:13] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx) [15:13] caribou barry sil2100 infinity doko bdmurray slangasek pitti robru tdaitx cyphermox [15:13] that's a totally fair dice roll and I didn't reroll it twice because tdaitx ended up at the front of the list, honest [15:13] caribou is not around today from what I read [15:14] cough, last upload quantal ... dbus-c++ (0.9.0-6ubuntu1) quantal; urgency=low [15:14] Isn't he on vacation for a few years or something? [15:14] . o O { and we told infinity a thousand times to not exaggerate } [15:14] doko: Oh phew, I thought that was going to be one of mine. [15:14] doko: to the transition PPA?! [15:15] tdaitx: so for this part of the meeting (which is the main part, which often makes for a quick meeting), we go around telling the team what we've been working on the past week / will work on for the next week / are stuck on and want input on, then we ask follow-up questions if there are any [15:15] Ah, barry not around as well! [15:15] Ok, so my turn it seems [15:15] A long one today: [15:15] - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails [15:15] - Unblocked thumbnailer from wily-proposed [15:15] - Fixed channel mis-configurations for arale images [15:15] - RTM status meetings and discussions [15:15] - gcc-5 transition misc stuff: [15:15] * Releasing some of the pending merges as per doko's request [15:15] tdaitx: it's traditional to draft this in the 5 minutes after the start of the meeting time, but we won't hold you to tradition [15:15] * Coordingating landing of others [15:15] * Consulting and packaging help for upstreams during the transition [15:16] - Shlibs help for some developers wanting to get rid of symbol files [15:16] - Prepared jenkins job for help in spreadsheet -> bileto migration [15:16] - Looked into why the URLs from bileto to assign silos are double-urlencoded [15:16] * This was breaking silo assignment [15:16] - Finished making commitlogs scripts working with bileto [15:16] - Migrating a few CI Train spreadsheet entries to bileto, analyzing related problems [15:16] - Work on a tool to perform a batch landing from the gcc-5 transition silo [15:16] - Writing script for downloading specific older debs from the overlay PPA [15:16] - Coordinating enabling the LP overlay translations with the LP team [15:16] - Re-spinning and re-releasing OTA-5 hotfix for mako devices [15:16] - Discussions regarding the mako Nokia HERE tarballs and images [15:16] - Updating the release process for OTA-6 [15:16] - Looking into the livecd-rootfs problem with missing -updates and -security [15:16] * It's a problem with live-build removing them for ubuntu in lb_chroot_archives [15:16] (done) [15:16] slangasek: Did you replace sil2100 with ev? [15:17] - Wrangled critical kernel security updates [15:17] - Dealt with fallout and emergency fix for regression from above [15:17] - Lots and lots and lots of SRU work for 14.04.3, reviews and uploads [15:17] - Fixed livecd-rootfs for HWE regressions and lubuntu/kubuntu builds [15:17] - Fixed critical apt autoremove bug breaking 14.04.3 builds [15:17] - Updated powerpc-ibm-utils in unstable and wily [15:17] - Started on the rest of the IBM rtas stack updates for wily (and SRUs to trusty) [15:17] - Random archive admin tasks [15:17] - Performing an experiment to see how long one can attempt to offset caffeine headaches with ibuprofen before they die [15:17] (done) [15:17] - trying to keep silo16 up to date [15:17] - started silo39 for the library renamings [15:17] - pinging ubuntu-touch people to fix things [15:17] - some python fixes, necessary for 3.5 as supported version [15:17] - start mentoring tiago [15:17] - openjdk-7, openjdk-8 security updates, openjdk-9 update [15:17] - some GCC 5 bug fixes, and libstdc++ breaks added [15:17] (done) [15:17] I need to start writing my weekly reports in the format of "- Did *stuff*. (done)" [15:17] reviewed retracer logs for information about core files still in swift [15:17] daisy retracer changes to better handle a failure to get the core file (don't [15:17] remove it from the queue as it may be a temporary network issue) [15:17] resolved issue with retracer's moving failures due to networking errors to failed queue [15:17] confirmed update of daisy on the production daisy frontends is good [15:17] research into migration of Errors to a DevOps service [15:17] replied to errors bug LP: #1479465 (overlay PPA stuff) [15:18] investigation into and discovery of reason for apport test failures [15:18] Launchpad bug 1479465 in Errors "Show the touch overlay PPA in the package versions table" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479465 [15:18] updated RT #83411 regarding removing Utopic crashes [15:18] investigation into iproute2 increase in crash rate (w/o crashes) [15:18] reported systemd bug LP: #1478115 [15:18] Launchpad bug 1478115 in systemd (Ubuntu) "using PathExistsGlob in apport-noui.path results in test failures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478115 [15:18] participated in making Ubuntu 14.10 End of Life [15:18] updated bugbot to log reporter of no package bugs [15:18] ✔ done [15:18] infinity: how's the experiment so far? [15:18] sil2100: Not dead yet! [15:18] I don't believe you [15:20] sil2100: what was misconfigured for the arale images? [15:20] slangasek: your turn! [15:21] slangasek: it seems they changed some jenkins urls for custom tarballs for a few channels - or gave us wrong ones from the start [15:21] But those were for the meizu.zh arale ones [15:21] So no impact [15:21] sil2100: ah, ok [15:22] * discussions around library package renaming for the gcc5 transition [15:22] * tracking down silos with gcc5 fixes, and giving their owners a nudge [15:22] * python3.5 transition: fixing most of the build failures caused by no-change rebuilds with python3.5 enabled; roughly 20 problem packages remaining [15:22] * tracking of the remaining POWER issues for 14.04.3 [15:22] * discussions around proposed-migration blip that caused all test failures to be ignored last night [15:22] * this week: [15:22] * follow through on shim SRU before 14.04.3 [15:22] (done) [15:22] only three (but rather long) days to report due to holidays [15:22] autopkgtest cloud: [15:22] - add build-essential to trusty testbeds for test backwards compat [15:22] - analyze/categorize all tmpfails, fix bugs in worker and autopkgtest [15:22] - create LXC worker, and set up AMQP/swift workers for armhf/ppc64el [15:22] - rollout of britney with considering cloud test results, but reverted due to a grave bug in the logic that promoted most things with test regressions [15:22] - sift through the above fallout, fortunately not much actually broke except foolscap's test (still TBI) [15:22] misc: [15:22] - langpack-o-matic: adjust to new potemplate-stats format [15:22] - build new wily langpacks for touch issue (#1478208) [15:22] - help with g++ 5 transition [15:23] - fix apport for python 3.5 [15:23] - package systemd 223 (delaying due to alpha-2 freeze) [15:23] [END] [15:23] ok [15:23] so the universe is exploding [15:23] * Finally got live rollout of Bileto to replace CI Train spreadsheet, many back-and-forths with IS to make it happen [15:24] * nothing works right now, need to get everythign fixed [15:24] (done) [15:24] robru: is that beyond the double-urlencoding issue? [15:25] pitti: Oh, speaking of langpacks, I'll need some for trusty. [15:25] slangasek: yeah for some reason bileto is giving HTTP500 intermittently on some requests [15:25] robru: I assume the old spreadsheety instance is still up; have you considered asking IS for a DNS rollback? [15:25] slangasek: I just asked IS for the logs, no idea why it's failing [15:25] * pitti waits for https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+language-packs to stop timing out [15:25] slangasek: pls no [15:26] infinity: I asked on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+language-packs for a full export, but the cron'ed one will be too late; I'll ask wgrant for a manual run [15:26] The other problem is that I though the spreadsheet would still be supported for the grace period [15:26] slangasek: the double-encoding thing shouldn't be horrible to fix quickly but intermittent 500s is a mystery [15:26] pitti: Ta. [15:26] robru: if the phone team is down right now due to these problems, a rollback would be the right thing to do so you can debug it offline [15:27] let me know when I should drop in [15:27] tdaitx: Whenever. [15:27] as slangasek said, I have been "drinking from the new-starter firehose" [15:27] apart from that... [15:27] - fixed a libedit bug for wily proposed; lp #1479474 [15:27] - fixed conflict and merged bash (4.3-11ubuntu3 and debian's 4.3-13); lp #1479542 [15:27] - getting familiar to debian/ubuntu packaging process [15:27] next steps are: [15:27] tdaitx: feel free to talk over us :) [15:27] slangasek: DNS rollback shouldn't be necessary, the spreadsheet is still online and jenkins still works, it's possible to just use that [15:27] - finish the newcomer stuff [15:27] - make sense out of the openjdk-7 packaging style [15:27] - fix more stuff on ftbfs [15:27] - get acquainted with a few openjdk bugs [15:27] (done) [15:27] Launchpad bug 1479474 in libedit (Ubuntu) "failure to detect libbsd on build due to wrong LDFLAGS usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479474 [15:27] Launchpad bug 1479542 in bash (Ubuntu) "merge Debian 4.3-13 and 4.3-11ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479542 [15:27] robru: isn't run.sh pointing at a hostname that has been moved? [15:27] * trusty SRUs: [15:27] - parted 4k sector disk support [15:27] - fixed up initial multipath-tools SRU for FC, 4k, udev shared lock [15:27] tdaitx: Pro tip, if you ref those as LP: #1479474, gnome-terminal linkifies them for lazy people like me. [15:27] * moar multipath work to SRU bug 1468897 to trusty: [15:27] - fixed some udev interaction issues [15:27] - lots of testing, on qemu and ppc64el. [15:28] robru: and is anyone able to find the dashboard? [15:28] robru: yeah, although I was considering getting the old dashboard setup somewhere to track spreadsheet entries [15:28] slangasek: run.sh is pointing at the jenkins instance which is working perfectly. [15:28] * debugging ubiquity issue for 14.04.3 with infinity. [15:28] * ubiquity cherry-pick for 14.04.3 print flush. [15:28] * identified an issue with handling wwids in initramfs in multipath 0.5.0 [15:28] Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1468897 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468897). The error has been logged [15:28] robru, slangasek: since the new one is not tracking the spreadsheet at all [15:28] - needs fix in partman-multipath and multipath-tools itself [15:28] * silo for NetworkManager upload (landing-017) [15:28] - testing with ModemManager, given some core changes in NM code. [15:28] robru: ok, I understood from last night's discussion that IS was updating the target of that DNS name [15:28] * uploaded skiboot (opal-prd) to wily NEW queue. [15:28] ⒹⓄⓃⒺ [15:28] infinity: or just click on the autogenerated links from ubottu ;) [15:28] infinity, noted =) [15:28] pitti: The bot's not in every channel. :P [15:28] robru, slangasek: we could also switch the spreadsheet to use the new location for the config files for silos and still work in the background [15:28] slangasek: yes they changed the DNS to point at the jenkins instance that is actually being used. [15:28] infinity: terminator linkify's them too fwiw [15:29] bdmurray: Well, it's vte that does it, I think. [15:29] robru, slangasek: since the dashboard only supports bileto right now, I would also opt for a mass migration of existing spreadsheet entries to bileto, since right now there's no flow control on the old landings [15:30] cyphermox: is the wwids-in-initramfs problem a regression in the last SRU / blocker for 14.04.3? [15:30] slangasek: no, it's an issue with that pesky thing of ignoring USB devices and non-mpath disks [15:30] ok [15:31] any other questions over status? [15:31] (but it's a bug in wily too, since we don't have the wwids file there either, not sure why people haven't reported it) [15:31] because nobody runs a server on an Ubuntu development series, and especially not one using multipath? [15:31] some people do test multipath on wily... [15:32] I like to think I'm not the only one :) [15:32] well [15:33] if it makes you happy to think that ;-) [15:33] it does! :D [15:33] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:33] oh wait [15:33] [TOPIC] Sprinting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Sprinting [15:33] charles, wouldn't it be possible to automate multipath tests using qemu as well? [15:33] tdaitx: I do :) [15:33] ops, cyphermox ^ [15:34] we have a sprint in the works [15:34] tdaitx: I keep preseeds for this stuff at http://people.canonical.com/~mtrudel/preseed/ [15:34] the details are not completely finalized yet (location, etc) but we have a week set [15:34] September 14 [15:35] 14-18 [15:35] so please mark your calendars [15:35] slangasek: back to a full week? [15:35] Sprint? Uh oh [15:36] slangasek: I vote somewhere with English accents and Parliament. [15:36] cyphermox: had we ever stopped sprints being full-week? [15:36] Hope it's in Europ [15:36] *Europe [15:36] infinity: I hear there are people agitating to have it somewhere tropical [15:36] by which I mean Florida, not somewhere fun [15:36] :) [15:36] slangasek: Those people are crazy. [15:36] slangasek: Oh, gross. [15:36] anyway, I'll keep you all posted [15:36] Not the US, oh no please no [15:36] slangasek: Every time I have to sprint in Orlando, I die a little inside. [15:37] or more likely you'll get an email direct from msm the moment it's decided [15:37] sil2100: last EU sprint was a while ago indeed [15:37] infinity: but it's the happiest place on earth! [15:37] * tdaitx is a not tropical kind of guy [15:37] slangasek: That's Anaheim. [15:37] it's tropical enough here in Montreal this week :) [15:37] or wait, not the happiest place on earth... the happiest place in the other thing [15:38] slangasek: in florida? [15:38] actually Miami was mooted but I don't know if that'll fly [15:38] slangasek: Orlando is the happiest place in Orlando. That's about the best it can manage. [15:38] slangasek: Miami's a whole different story, it has culture. I'd do that! [15:38] sil2100: do you have your passport situation sorted yet? [15:39] slangasek: hm, I'll have to drive to get a new one, since indeed the previous one will be invalid by that time [15:40] slangasek: thanks for the reminder! [15:40] ;p [15:40] :) [15:40] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:40] ok - anything else? [15:41] If anyone has anything they need to get onto 14.04.3 images, your deadline is about a week ago. HTH, HAND. [15:42] infinity: in bug 1471903 sil2100 mentions -updates being removed by live-build [15:42] bug 1471903 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "-updates, -security missing from apt lists" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471903 [15:42] Yeah [15:42] infinity: would that also happen with 14.04.3 images? [15:43] The ubuntu-remove-non-release-lists.patch patch does that [15:43] bdmurray: Yeah, that's by design. I'm unconvinced that fixing it will fix anything. [15:43] bdmurray: the rationale of this patch makes sense for desktop, sadly not for a system with a read-only filesystem [15:44] bdmurray: Since we do things like run apt-get update in the installer, which then invalidates any out of date packages anyway. [15:44] infinity: it will fix the packages on the image that are installed from -updates and -security being shown as being of unknown source [15:44] bdmurray: Anyhow, we can discuss it out of meeting. [15:44] whether this is worth the cost is another question [15:44] infinity: if the origin for a package is unknown you can't use ubuntu-bug so then you can't use it when running a live cd before installing. [15:45] slangasek: It only fixes them until they're out of date again. [15:45] infinity: yes, you run apt-get update in the installer, but not for the live system [15:45] slangasek: Are the majority of our bugs on livecds not from the installer environment? [15:46] infinity: how do we know, given that people can't report them? ;) [15:46] hah, indeed [15:46] anyway, let's discuss outside meeting as suggested [15:46] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:46] Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 15:46:37 2015 UTC. [15:46] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-30-15.01.moin.txt [15:46] thanks, everyone! [15:46] I would opt for getting that patch removed, not sure if there's enough merit in having it around to try and work-around it somehow in ubuntu-touch [15:46] Thanks! [15:47] what does AOB stands for? [15:47] Any Other Business I guess [15:47] All Other Business. [15:47] tdaitx: any other b... yes [15:47] Or Any. [15:47] lol [15:48] http://www.acronymfinder.com/AOB.html has a few other interesting ones, though [15:48] linux-any other business? [15:48] Oh man, tired+dyslexia = reading gold. [15:48] I read that first one as "anals of baloney" [15:49] infinity: I had the same thing, but in my case it was maybe only because I'm a perv [15:56] we're done, right? === Pici` is now known as Pici