[00:35] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, turned out to be a different test suite brendan was getting failures on that was trying to use keys on the numberpad layout that don't exist (but of course worked with the fake keyboard)
[00:54] <LightningMods> can anyone give me the boot.img for falcon (moto g) as the link was taken down
[00:56] <LightningMods> can anyone give me the boot.img for falcon (moto g) as the link was taken down
[00:56] <LightningMods> for ubuntu touch
[02:41] <kenvandine> Elleo, ah
[04:59] <TonyBoston> I can not update Apps anymore, it just doesn't start downloading
[04:59] <TonyBoston> are there any known issues on that?
[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <TonyBoston> dholbach moin
[06:56] <dholbach> hey TonyBoston
[06:57] <TonyBoston> do you know of an issue where touch can't download updates anymore?
[06:57] <TonyBoston> I have that since two days
[07:02] <dholbach> TonyBoston, is that with apps or system updates?
[07:05] <TonyBoston> dholbach thats with apps
[07:05] <dholbach> TonyBoston, you could try to re-add your ubuntu one account
[07:06] <TonyBoston> dholbach okay, trying that now
[07:08] <TonyBoston> dholbach that did the trick, thanks. must be a bug though
[07:08] <dholbach> yes
[07:08] <dholbach> beuno, ^
[07:09] <TonyBoston> dholbach is there a documentation on how to ssh into the device and the location of logs to file a bug?
[07:11] <dholbach> enable developer mode in the settings, plug it in via usb and use phablet-shell
[07:12] <TonyBoston> dholbach okay, I tried to ssh into the device via wireless lan yesterday and got a privatekey error. I'll try the phablet-shell
[07:13] <dholbach> I always plugged the phone in via usb
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! 😃
[09:47] <ogra_> MacSlow, awesome work !
[09:47]  * ogra_ loves the new splash screen
[09:47] <MacSlow> ogra_, ah... that's old... at least for three days in images already ;)
[09:47] <MacSlow> ogra_, but thx :)
[09:47] <ogra_> hmm, i didnt have it on yesterdays upgrade
[09:48]  * ogra_ is on the daily image
[09:48] <MacSlow> ogra_, I think it started being part of r115 from devel-proposed
[09:48] <ogra_> ah, heh, wily
[09:48] <ogra_> nothing anyone should run :P
[09:48] <MacSlow> ogra_, not everybody :)
[09:49] <ogra_> well, if you want a functional phone at least :)
[10:15] <mpt> According to bug 1436063, Ubuntu has a Calendar app. Where is it? I can’t find it in the store.
[10:16] <ogra_> mpt, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.calendar
[10:19] <mpt> ahh, apparently I’m not connected to the Internet
[10:19] <mpt> The Store was just pretending to search for things, when really it couldn’t
[10:19] <ogra_> sounds like a bug :)
[10:20] <mpt> Yes
[10:21] <mpt> I guess this is 70% my fault because I haven’t designed the fix for bug 1275761
[10:21] <mpt> but 30% the Store showing a bouncy progress bar when it was in fact doing nothing at all
[10:26] <ogra_> yeah
[10:26] <ogra_> (i think thats not store specific, all scopes do that)
[11:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/new-tab-wide-format/revision/1080 is fishy…
[11:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i hate that that file keeps getting built, it always manages to sneak in. i will just revert the file to whatever is in trunk
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: regarding the fullscreen+volume key bug: it is not a Qt only issue. Gtk apps lose focus for a brief moment too when the volume keys are pressed. Seems more like a WM problem
[11:55] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, re revision 1080, it’s not just that the translation template sneaked in, it’s also that the change to debian/control sneaked out…
[11:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just fixed all that. not sure how it did happen
[11:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, re the fullscreen issue: how do firefox and chromium behave, as a comparison point?
[11:57] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, and why does loosing focus exit fullscreen mode? maybe that can be fixed?
[12:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: losing focus exits fullscreen mode in both chrome and firefox, but they do not seem to exit fullscreen when the volume keys are pressed. in our browser exiting fullscreen when losing focus is one line of code that we can easily comment out, but i suppose it was put in there for a reason. one easy workaround is to have a timer and exit fullscreen when we lose focus without regaining it for more than, say, 500ms. t
[12:18] <nerochiaro> hat will fix the problem with the volume buttons
[12:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, right, the "exiting fullscreen when loosing focus" behaviour is intentional indeed, when switching apps on a device (with e.g. the right edge), and then going back to browser, it is not expected to remain fullscreen
[12:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it is also good to have on desktop, and i think my workaround will be a good solution to that problem for now. Ideally we need to figure out why the WM does what it does with the buttons and fix it but I think we can start with the workaround
[13:13] <dholbach> beuno, did you see the comment from TonyBoston about not being able to install updates earlier?
[13:14] <nocturn> Hi MacSlow, we discussed utuntu phone notifications from python yesterday
[13:14] <MacSlow> nocturn, yup
[13:14] <nocturn> Wanted to let you know that I found a way to do it without pynotfy, using gi.repository import Notify
[13:14] <nocturn> which is in the default image
[13:15] <MacSlow> nocturn, yeah... forgot about that... some examples use that already too
[13:15] <pmcgowan> dholbach, app updates? his U1 account needs a new password prolly
[13:15] <nocturn> MacSlow, only one thing remaining, but I think your examples don't do that either
[13:15] <nocturn> I want to get them under the envoloppe icon in the bar
[13:15] <dholbach> pmcgowan, yep, app updates - it looks like re-adding the Ubuntu One account made it work again
[13:16] <MacSlow> nocturn, how do you mean?
[13:16] <dholbach> pmcgowan, is there a reason he might have needed a new password?
[13:16] <nocturn> MacSlow, Instead of a disappearing notification, I want to stick them in the notification list like Telegram and Twitter do
[13:16] <nocturn> so that if you do't see them at the time of creation, they do stay put
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, ah... that's a differnece there... regular (libnotify) vs push notifications
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, push notifications get listed in the message indicator
[13:17] <nocturn> MacSlow, can I only get push notifications there?
[13:17] <pmcgowan> dholbach, you have to have a U1 account to access the store
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, yes
[13:17] <nocturn> I see that they are created with dbus
[13:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you think i should go ahead and implement the timer workaround ?
[13:18] <pmcgowan> dholbach, and the password length was increased and sso added
[13:18] <dholbach> pmcgowan, ah ok, that might have been the issue - I don't know
[13:18] <MacSlow> nocturn, you app can fire both if you want
[13:18] <dholbach> TonyBoston, ^
[13:18] <pmcgowan> its a but of a mystery to me
[13:18] <MacSlow> nocturn, but it's a different dbus-api to talk to
[13:18] <pmcgowan> I didnt expect sso prompt
[13:18] <nocturn> MacSlow, do you have an example of push notifications from python?
[13:19] <MacSlow> nocturn, nope sorry
[13:21] <TonyBoston> huh?
[13:21] <MacSlow> nocturn, but I guess if you grab lp:indicator-messages and look at tests/test-client.py you can borrow some code from there
[13:22] <nocturn> MacSlow, I will check that out!
[13:22] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, are you seeing app updates stuck at 0% downloading?
[13:23] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan I had that this morning but dholbach told me to delete and re-add the U1 account which helped to sort that out
[13:23] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, exactly good
[13:23] <MacSlow> nocturn, another one might be lp:message-app, but it's mostly C++ iirc
[13:24] <MacSlow> nocturn, ehm.. lp:messaging-app I meant
[13:25] <nocturn> MacSlow, checking it out...
[13:36] <kenvandine> mandel, did you see my question about the http status?
[13:36] <kenvandine> mandel, if i change my u1 password, it gets a 200 response with "Unknown Error"
[13:37] <kenvandine> s/if i change/after changing/
[13:38] <kenvandine> mpt, o
[13:38] <kenvandine> mpt, i'm working on the mouse and touchpad UI
[13:38] <mpt> kenvandine, I agree entirely
[13:38] <kenvandine> lol
[13:39] <kenvandine> mpt, i need the image for the eyes open and eyes closed smiley, i assume that's not be done yet?
[13:39] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, it doesn’t hurt to give it a try
[13:40] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, could it be that the notification OSD is taking focus? (and if so, could it be that it’s a bug in notify-osd?)
[13:40] <mpt> kenvandine, correct, but you could use the emoji to start with. That would (a) be ok anyway and (b) motivate visual designers to replace it
[13:41] <mpt> Oh, I never finished that sentence in the spec…
[13:42] <dobey> kenvandine: the "ask for list of updates" HTTP request gives you that 200 if you invalidate your token on login.ubuntu.com?
[13:43] <kenvandine> dobey, yes
[13:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it does not take focus when it delivers a message. so maybe the things tha actually displays the volume notification is not notify-osd ? or it is notify-osd in a different mode ?
[13:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: who might know ? MacSlow maybe ?
[13:43] <dobey> kenvandine: that sounds reasoanble, i don't think you need to be logged in to get the lsit of updates (which, admittedly is slightly odd)
[13:43] <kenvandine> dobey, well i don't get the list of updates though
[13:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, I guess MacSlow would know
[13:43] <dobey> kenvandine: but when you make the HEAD request to get the X-Click-Token value, you should get a 401/403 i think
[13:44] <kenvandine> the errorString in the QNetworkReply is Unknown Error
[13:44] <dobey> kenvandine: how is the updates panel showing a list of updates?
[13:44] <dobey> hmm
[13:44] <kenvandine> but the http status is 200
[13:44] <kenvandine> dobey, it's now showing the list :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> unless this is the bug that was introduced with the fix-network branch :)
[13:44] <dobey> kenvandine: but the bug report is that the list is shown, and the updates just hang
[13:44] <kenvandine> maybe it's unrelated
[13:45] <dobey> i guess that's possible
[13:45] <kenvandine> dobey, yes... mandel had branches that cleaned up a bunch of the network code
[13:45] <kenvandine> and improved error handling
[13:45] <dobey> what's the url for the fix-network branch?
[13:45] <kenvandine> so i based my fix on those branches
[13:45] <dobey> ok, that sounds like a regression in those branches then
[13:46] <mpt> kenvandine, spec updated. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MouseAndTouchpad?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=6>
[13:46] <kenvandine> most likely
[13:46] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1378678
[13:46] <kenvandine> dobey, that is built on top of both of those branches
[13:46] <dobey> because the system-settings in the current image shows the updates, but they hang when trying to download
[13:46] <dobey> yes, i reviewed your branch :)
[13:46] <kenvandine> when we tried to land the fix-network branch seb128 ran into a regression which mandel is looking into
[13:47] <kenvandine> so i'm thinking it might be the same problem
[13:47] <kenvandine> dobey, if you want to look at the code, just browse that branch :)
[13:47] <dobey> kenvandine: you need to fix your branch to delete the token from online-accounts though
[13:47] <kenvandine> seb128, do you recall the problem you had?  was it not finding the click updates?
[13:48] <kenvandine> dobey, do i need to if i'm prompting the user to login again?
[13:48] <dobey> kenvandine: yes, because online-accounts-ui will just show the existing account and the user will have no idea what is wrong or what to do once it pops up
[13:49] <dobey> at least, that is my understanding of how online-accounts works when there's already an account and it's a type that only supports a single account
[13:49] <kenvandine> i think it'll be prompting to login there, but i need to figure out this issue first
[13:49] <kenvandine> to confirm
[13:54] <pmcgowan> mardy, dbarth__ ^^
[13:55]  * mardy reads
[13:57]  * dbarth__ read but wonders what to do now
[13:58] <dbarth__> dobey: what should oa-ui do instead ?
[13:58] <dbarth__> it feels like it's adding confusion to your scenario
[13:59] <kenvandine> i think my fix will do the right thing
[13:59] <dbarth__> (which i'm still trying to get from the early conversation)
[13:59] <kenvandine> assuming the other problem i ran into gets fixed
[13:59] <kenvandine> i think it's unrelated, but a bug in a prereq branch
[14:00] <dobey> dbarth__: i don't think oa-ui should do anything. it doesn't have the intellegence to know what to do
[14:00] <mardy> dobey: ideally, all this should be handled by the signond plugin for U1 (detecting that the token is expired and informing signond about it, so that a new one will be requested automatically)
[14:01] <dbarth__> dobey: hmm ok, oa won't have enough context
[14:01] <dobey> mardy: u1 isn't using a special signond plug-in; it's using the password back-end
[14:02] <dobey> i should probably kill off the code we have there at this point, as i don't see us getting the time to write a proper signond plug-in at this point, and keeping it will just cause confusion
[14:04] <mardy> dobey: maybe you don't have the time, but I wonder if kenvandine could implement the fix by writing a proper signond plugin, rather then fixing this in u-s-s
[14:04]  * mardy always assumes that kenvandine works 48 hours per day
[14:05] <kenvandine> lol
[14:06] <kenvandine> i think the fix in settings will be easy
[14:06] <mardy> kenvandine: OK; I just wonder if other apps (pay-ui?) will need to have a similar fix, so it might be better to fix it in one place only
[14:06] <mardy> dobey: ^ ?
[14:07] <dobey> mardy: all the scope stuff is fixed already
[14:07] <kenvandine> the network code in settings was aweful, and did virtually nothing with errors
[14:07] <dobey> i don't see how a proper signond plug-in would help here either
[14:07] <kenvandine> mandel had refactored that and made it much better
[14:07] <kenvandine> based on that branch, i think it'll be a simple fix
[14:07] <kenvandine> but his branch has another problem :)
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: if pay-ui already handle the errors gracefully, then indeed this wouldn't help much
[14:09] <dobey> well, signond isn't always running, and the only way we can know a token is invalid, is by checking it against the server; and i don't think that would make sense to do in the signond plug-in
[14:10] <mardy> dobey: the flow would be: 1) the client (u-s-s, pay-ui) asks OA to give an authentication token
[14:10] <mardy> 2) signond loads the U1 plugin, providing it with all the cached data
[14:10] <mardy> 3) the U1 plugin checks with the remote server is the token is valid
[14:11] <mcphail> Is anyone else on krillin/OTA having problems with severe lag, and dbus-daemon consuming huge amounts of CPU?
[14:11] <mardy> 4) if not, the U1 plugin tells signon that it needs a new password
[14:11] <dobey> mardy: seems like a waste, because client apps of any u1 services will still need to handle all the error cases anyway
[14:12] <mardy> 5) signond talks to the OA UI, which opens a trusted session on top of the client app, asking the user for a new password
[14:12] <mardy> dobey: sure, some error handling is still needed, but that's mostly about permanent errors
[14:12] <mardy> dobey: I mean, non recoverable
[14:13] <dobey> mardy: the problem is this creates excessive network traffic, and will only slow the process down, when the token is still valid
[14:13] <dobey> it only optimizes the case where we will know the token is invalid; and there is still time for the token to be invalidated between then, and when the client app actually makes the requests
[14:13] <mardy> dobey: I'm proposing something similar to how the OAuth plugin works: if it sees that the token is expired, it automatically tries to get a new one; of course, the client still needs to check for some errors, such as access denied
[14:14] <dobey> so the client apps will still need to handle the case when the token is invalidated between those two points in time
[14:14] <dobey> mardy: the oauth plug-in hits the network every time someone requests the credentials from signond?
[14:15] <mardy> dobey: no; with OAuth we are given both the access token and an expiration time; until that is valid, we return immediately the cached token
[14:15] <dobey> mardy: right; we don't have token expiration times in u1
[14:16] <mardy> dobey: if the client gets the cached token, and it turns out that it has been revoked by the remote service, the client repeats the authentication and adds a flag ("clear the cached data, it's invalid!")
[14:16] <mardy> dobey: it's not completely hassle free, you see, but it's bearable
[14:16] <dobey> and so this same issue still exists with regular oauth plug-in using apps too; if i go to the web site for the service and delete the token on the server, prior to the expiration time originally given for the token, the client apps are still going to have to deal with the errors in that case
[14:17] <mardy> dobey: indeed
[14:17] <mardy> dobey: but they do it via the same API
[14:17] <dobey> so that's what we're doing here; the client has to clear the data and request a login
[14:17] <ogra_> svij, wow, congrats, you made it onto "cashys blog" with your review !
[14:18] <mardy> dobey: yes, I'm not really trying to convince you; indeed, the advantages would be really minimal
[14:19] <mardy> and the risk of regressions quite high :-)
[14:19] <nerochiaro> MacSlow: hi, when you have a minute can you please ping me ? I have a couple of notify-osd questions for you
[14:19] <dobey> mardy: if that's doable now via the newer OnlineAccountsClient API in a single call, that's fine; but u-s-s needs to be the one making that request
[14:19] <svij> ogra_: hah, I asked him and submitted my review ;)
[14:19] <ogra_> cool
[14:19] <dobey> libubuntuoneauth was written well befre OnlineAccountsClient existed afaik
[14:20] <mardy> dobey: no, as you said, there is no way to avoid having to handle at least the error case where signond thinks that the token is valid, but it isn't (unless we make a network query every time)
[14:21] <dobey> ok
[14:21] <mardy> dobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/online-accounts-api/trunk/view/head:/src/lib/OnlineAccounts/authentication_data.h#L48
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, right, it was not listing click updates
[14:23] <dobey> ah ok; so we don't really expose the online accounts api via libubuntuoneauth
[14:23] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, that confirms my problem
[14:23] <kenvandine> so i guess that has nothing to do with my error handling :)
[14:24] <dobey> so i guess u-s-s can't do that
[14:24] <dobey> so it would need to call the method in libubuntuoneauth's api to clear the token
[14:26] <faenil> do we have a bug for network-manager dbus causing the phone to freeze 2-3 seconds every 20 seconds?
[14:26] <faenil> (everytime a wifi scan is performed, basically)
[14:28] <faenil> awe_: ^
[14:28] <awe_> faenil, can you be more specific?
[14:28] <awe_> device? channel?  image?
[14:29] <faenil> awe_: it's always been there as far as I can tell
[14:29] <faenil> but anyway
[14:29] <faenil> if you have wifi enabled, and many hotspots in your area
[14:29] <awe_> that's a pretty broad assertion
[14:29] <faenil> try tiping a message
[14:29] <faenil> you'll get interrupted by 2-3 seconds freezes every 15secs or less
[14:29] <awe_> and why do you think it's NM?
[14:29] <faenil> and, exactly in that time
[14:30] <faenil> dbus-monitor is flooded with
[14:30] <faenil> "hey! this accesspoint changed this property!"
[14:30] <faenil> "check it out!" :D
[14:30] <awe_> faenil, if you think it's a bug, then please file it
[14:30] <awe_> with all the supporting details
[14:30] <awe_> ( ie. device, channel, image, steps to reproduce, logs, ... )
[14:30] <faenil> awe_: yeah I was just asking if you guys knew about something similar, as it's so frustrating
[14:31] <awe_> no
[14:31] <awe_> your the first person to ever mention it
[14:31] <faenil> wow, ok
[14:31] <faenil> awe_: I'll take some logs and file a bug this evening when at home
[14:31] <awe_> ok
[14:31] <awe_> thanks
[14:31] <faenil> np :)
[14:31] <faenil> awe_: anything in particular you want me to attach?
[14:31] <awe_> anything you think can prove the bug
[14:32] <awe_> syslog would be a good start
[14:32] <faenil> okay
[14:33] <faenil> awe_: more generic question, have you ever experienced the keyboard getting stuck for 2-3 secs and then processing all the keys at the same time?
[14:33] <awe_> no
[14:33] <awe_> are you on wily?
[14:33] <faenil> no, rc-proposed
[14:33] <faenil> but it's always happened, but recently it got worse I think
[14:33] <mcphail> faenil: do you think that is why I'm getting spikes in dbus-daemon activity and lots of phone lag?
[14:34] <faenil> (maybe it's just because I move to a new flat with more hotsopts nearby)
[14:34] <faenil> mcphail: yay, I'm not crazy
[14:34] <faenil> mcphail: just check dbus-monitor when that happens :)
[14:34] <mcphail> faenil: I can barely type at the terminal when it happens :(
[14:34] <faenil> actually, keep dbus monitor open, and check what it shows when you the phone freezes
[14:34] <faenil> yeah I know, keep it open via ssh
[14:35] <faenil> in my case it keeps printing, even if the phone is frozen
[14:36] <mcphail> faenil: it tends to happen most when I am at work (with no access to SSH). I thought it might be the time from reboot when it started to lag, but wonder if it is due to the change in hotspots etc?
[14:36] <faenil> awe_: I also have the impression that since 2-3 weeks mobile keeps crashing...sympthom: I'm using browser (or telegram, or whatever) all at once mobile signal goes to 0, mobile data disappears, as if there's no SIM. and after 10secs everything is restarted and connection is back
[14:37] <faenil> smells like something crashing and restarting, but I haven't checked properly what happens, yet
[14:37] <faenil> mcphail: you can't plug phone to usb at work?
[14:38] <mcphail> faenil: not to anything useful, no. Heavily locked-down XP desktops only
[14:38] <faenil> ohhh crap, alright
[14:39] <mcphail> I can try at home, but dbus-daemon rarely goes above 20-30% CPU there, whereas I get 98% at work
[14:39] <faenil> I see..
[14:40] <awe_> faenil, are you on vivid or wily?
[14:40] <awe_> and what device(s)?
[14:40] <faenil> awe_: rc-proposed (so vivid), krillin
[14:40] <awe_> if you're seeing problems like this, *please* file bugs
[14:41] <mcphail> hard to pin down, but the only bug I've contributed to on this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1466741
[14:41] <awe_> I haven't seen any reports of issues like that
[14:43] <mcphail> I'm sure it is the frequent mini-lags which are runing my chances of a decent score in "Don't Crash" :)
[14:48] <mcphail> faenil: If you write a bug report I'll try to reproduce your results and +1 it
[14:49] <faenil> awe_: I agree, yes, but I usually wait until I have proper details and logs
[14:51] <faenil> (I should probably ask if it's okay to spend time investigating this stuff during working hours)
[15:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is there some reliable way in the browser to know if we are on desktop ? browser.wide does not seem to be the correct thing to check to know if we are on a system where notify-osd might be running
[15:52] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, (formFactor == "desktop") is better, although not perfect and not very future-proof
[15:52] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it will do in this case
[15:52] <nerochiaro> thanks
[15:52] <oSoMoN> yw
[16:55] <pmcgowan> !devices
[16:55] <ogra_> pmcgowan, planning to do a port ?
[16:56] <ogra_> :P
[16:56]  * ogra_ is sure pat looks for something to fill his weekends :)
[16:57] <pmcgowan> ogra_, heh no unfortunately
[17:27] <Laibsch> Is Ubuntu phone fully open-source or are there some binary blobs?
[17:27] <Laibsch> I have read http://askubuntu.com/questions/235649/will-ubuntu-phone-os-be-entirely-open-source but it doesn't really answer the question
[17:27] <dobey> there are no 100% open hardware stacks for consumer mobile devices yet
[17:27] <Laibsch> As a Sharp Zaurus collie user way back when I know what it means if your phone is open-source but not totally
[17:28] <Laibsch> dobey: that is not true
[17:28]  * Laibsch points to openmoko
[17:28] <Laibsch> openmoko was fully open-source, but I know it was difficult for them
[17:28]  * dobey reiterates *consumer* mobile devices
[17:28] <Laibsch> hehe
[17:28] <dobey> openmoko was a developer device
[17:28] <ogra_> Lauthere are no open modems ... at leasnt not in any relevant phones on the market
[17:28] <Laibsch> dobey: in that respect the Ubuntu phone is not a *consumer* phone, either
[17:29] <ogra_> same goes for most sensor HW, many GPS chips used in phones etc etc
[17:29] <dobey> ?
[17:29] <Laibsch> Yes, I see.
[17:29] <ogra_> and sadly also for most graphic chipsets used in these phones
[17:29] <dobey> ubuntu phone is a consumer phone
[17:29] <Laibsch> dobey: reviews on the web agree the Ubuntu phone is not ready for consumer use.
[17:30] <ogra_> (though there is at leat some reverse engineering going on)
[17:30] <dobey> at least, the bq/meizu phones are built to be consumer devices
[17:30] <ogra_> Laibsch, not ready doesnt mean it isnt aiming for that market
[17:30] <Laibsch> ogra_: thank you for confirming.  I'm really wishing for a fully open source phone one day.
[17:30] <ogra_> the ubuntu phones are fully usable as day to day devices
[17:31] <ogra_> but nothing i'd give to any whatsapp junkie yet :)
[17:31] <dobey> ogra_: you just need to ween them off the kool-aid
[17:31] <Laibsch> I'm happy to see they are at least attractively priced
[17:31] <ogra_> and convince them to use tekegram :)
[17:31] <ogra_> *tele
[17:32] <Laibsch> Not 500 to 1000 USD I used to pay for the Sharp Z and the openmoko
[17:32] <ogra_> yeah...
[17:32] <ogra_> i assume the actual converged phone will be more expensive though
[17:33] <Laibsch> the one you can use as a desktop/laptop replacement?
[17:33] <Laibsch> I'd be absolutely fine with that
[17:34] <Laibsch> in face, it would be a financially more attractive option even at the 500 USD mark if not too much more than that
[17:34] <Laibsch> fact
[17:34] <ogra_> yeah
[17:34] <dobey> i wouldn't call it a PC replacement
[17:34] <Laibsch> Is that likely to come out in time for X-Mas?
[17:34] <ogra_> well, we'll see i guess :)
[17:34] <Laibsch> hehehe
[17:34] <Laibsch> wishing for a X-Mas present
[17:35] <ogra_> Laibsch, if it comes out around that time it will still have very rough edges
[17:35] <Laibsch> OK
[17:35] <Laibsch> thanks
[17:35] <Laibsch> keep up the fight, I wish you luck
[17:35] <ogra_> :)
[17:52] <Laibsch> Sorry to be back with a follow-up question: What is it that spoke against the Calypso chipset and the Osmocom FOSS baseband? https://www.privacyinternational.org/?q=node/156
[17:53] <popey> the what and the who>
[17:53] <popey> ?
[17:53] <Laibsch> we discussed earlier that the Ubuntu phone like Android will not be open source in critical parts
[17:54] <popey> correct
[17:54] <Laibsch> usually the most difficult one is the baseband
[17:54] <popey> thats a hard problem to solve
[17:54] <popey> yes
[17:54] <popey> we are not big enough to do that
[17:54] <Laibsch> yes, that is where Osmocom comes in
[17:54] <popey> maybe in the future.
[17:55] <Laibsch> so I'd like to ask if it was considered and if so why it was rejected?
[17:55] <popey> i dont think it was considered.
[17:55] <Laibsch> I think I know one of the guys from Osmocom and I'll ask him if he tried to do business with the Ubuntu phone
[17:55] <popey> Unlikely.
[17:56] <popey> We don't actually make the phones
[17:56] <Laibsch> OK, then it would be high time to have it in the next phone and I'd be frantically lining up to get my hands on one, even with rough edges
[17:56] <Laibsch> I am aware of that
[17:56] <Laibsch> But I suppose there is some discussion with the makers?
[17:57] <Laibsch> Maybe Osmocom can make their own or partner with an OEM
[17:57] <Laibsch> I'll discuss it with them
[17:57] <Laibsch> Yes, indeed I remembered correctly that one of the people behind Osmocom is a good friend of mine
[17:59] <DonkeyHotei> it seems that osmocom does not support even 3G let alone 4G
[18:01] <popey> not a huge set of supported devices http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/Phones
[18:01] <popey> all very much from the past
[18:22] <Laibsch1> time to build a more modern version with one of the supported baseband chipsets ;-)
[18:25] <popey> Feel free.
[18:25] <Laibsch> hehe
[18:25] <Laibsch> that's the spirit
[18:25] <Laibsch> time for bed
[18:25] <Laibsch> good night
[19:17] <JanC> hm, is it just me, or is the calendar app totally broken for everybody?
[19:24] <davmor2> JanC: just you, works great here
[19:25] <JanC> davmor2: looking at the bugs in launchpad it hardly works at all, and not just for me...
[19:26] <JanC> times jumping around, etc.
[19:26] <davmor2> JanC: I guess it depends on what you mean by doesn't work it's fine for me
[19:28] <JanC> davmor2: do you use it to add & edit "local" events, or just to look at your google calendar or something like that?
[19:28] <davmor2> JanC: both
[19:29] <JanC> there are at least 3 bugs about this not working and start/end times jumping around in timezone-difference-from-utc increments
[20:08] <TonyBoston> are you guys all using ubuntu as a desktop?
[20:08] <TonyBoston> trying to use adb with fedora
[20:08] <TonyBoston> but I cant find the device
[20:12] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, likely, which device do you have, robably need to tell adb about it
[20:12] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, auaris E5
[20:13] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, I know in the past I have dropped a device code into .android/adb_usb.ini
[20:14] <pmcgowan> echo 0x2a47 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini
[20:14] <pmcgowan> $ adb kill-server; adb start-server
[20:14] <TonyBoston> it doesnt even show unrecognized device or omething
[20:15] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, you have the device in developer mode and unlocked
[20:15] <TonyBoston> yep
[20:20] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, do you know if I can change touch variant from within the device?
[20:22] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, what do you mean?
[20:22] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, the branches
[20:24] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, if you mean the image version yeah you can with system-image-cli
[20:24] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, did you try that ini trick above? seems it helped in several cases
[20:25] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, not yet since I guess when it does not show even something with 'adb devices'
[20:26] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, sounds the same as http://askubuntu.com/questions/601324/bq-e4-5-adb-fails
[20:26] <pmcgowan> otherwise I dont know
[20:27] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, okay will try
[20:32] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, alright there we go, thanks
[20:33] <pmcgowan> awesome
[20:33] <alin> question did anyone update ubuntu meizu to plasma mobile?
[20:34] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, could you give me an advice on changing the image version?
[20:34] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, what do you need?
[20:35] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, everything :)
[20:35] <pmcgowan> it come default on the stable channel
[20:35] <pmcgowan> the only other channel of interest is rc-proposed
[20:35] <pmcgowan> which moves to table every 6 weeks
[20:35] <pmcgowan> stable
[20:36] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, I'd like to change it to a faster release image
[20:36] <TonyBoston> doesn't matter if its buggy since it not relly usable right now anyway
[20:36] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, oh that kinda hurts :)
[20:36] <pmcgowan> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[20:37] <pmcgowan> so you could flash buntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[20:37] <TonyBoston> alright
[20:37] <pmcgowan> u buntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[20:37] <pmcgowan> using ubuntu-device-flash
[20:37] <pmcgowan> dont go to wily now though, its about to explode a bit
[20:37] <TonyBoston> right let me check that
[20:40] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, now that needs an ubuntu desktop I guess
[20:42] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:43] <pmcgowan> its written in go so should work
[20:43] <pmcgowan> ?
[20:43] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, cant find ubuntu-device-flash
[20:45] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, here's a handy guide http://www.leenukes.co.uk/2014/01/17/installing-ubuntu-touch-onto-nexus-7-2012-from-fedora-20-in-depth/
[20:45] <pmcgowan> goget-ubuntu-touch is the project
[20:45] <TonyBoston> ahh cool
[20:47] <Ploppz> Is Skype in the app store?
[20:49] <TonyBoston> no
[20:50] <Ploppz> Does it look like it might come, or any other client?
[20:52] <Ploppz> Or is there any other app that can do video calls?
[22:56] <alin_> hi
[22:56] <alin_> adb devices gives me this
[22:56] <alin_> ????????????    no permissions
[22:56] <alin_> when i boot in recovery
[22:56] <alin_> this recovery wget http://people.canonical.com/~alextu/tangxi/recovery/recovery.img
[22:56] <alin_> on ubuntu meizu mx4 any idea?
[23:14] <moritz31> hey guys
[23:15] <moritz31> got an error that ion_allocation_data has no member heap_mask some idea how to fix ? add the member to the struct ?
[23:24] <moritz31> strange all definitions of ion_allocation_data have the heap mask