| bluesabre | ochosi: email to the ML I and anything else you wanna do :) | 02:08 |
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| Noskcaj | ochosi, ok. Would you be able to make it? I'll just use an sgt icon till then | 05:48 |
| ali1234 | poster of this screenshot claims it is numix https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/35h9a3/xfce_back_to_xfce/ | 05:56 |
| ali1234 | why does my system look completely different when i set theme to numix? | 05:56 |
| ali1234 | for example my system, thunar with numix: http://i.imgur.com/8yO2ubs.png | 05:57 |
| ali1234 | hmm... because it's not numix at all, it's adwaita | 06:06 |
| ali1234 | next question: why is the bluetooth icon not mono on 15.04? | 06:10 |
| flocculant | ochosi: can you admin me on https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers | 08:37 |
| flocculant | so I can mail testers from LP :) | 08:37 |
| Noskcaj | sgt-puzzles-launcher 0.0.1 has been uploaded | 10:29 |
| flocculant | Noskcaj: nice one :) | 10:30 |
| bluesabre | good job Noskcaj :D | 10:31 |
| Noskcaj | It's pretty crap, but thanks. | 10:31 |
| Noskcaj | big TODO list, but all it needs to be archive-safe is an icon. | 10:31 |
| Noskcaj | and us choosing how we want to handle the desktop file hiding | 10:32 |
| ochosi | flocculant: done | 11:03 |
| ochosi | ali1234: the icons are numix, the gtk theme is adwaita | 11:04 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, i'll see what i can do | 11:04 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ta :) | 11:04 |
| ochosi | flocculant: also, with all the work knome has put into our new status tracker, i hope that'll motivate you to use it again over trello ;) | 11:05 |
| flocculant | well | 11:05 |
| flocculant | we'll see :) | 11:05 |
| flocculant | ochosi: LP is ok - but I can't for instance - tell it a date I want to do something and have it remind me ;) | 11:09 |
| flocculant | also need something actually readable to send testers too | 11:09 |
| knome | flocculant, i'm just setting up reminders for open work items you can get every day | 11:34 |
| flocculant | right, not quite what I meant - but I guess others might like that | 11:37 |
| knome | i acknowledge it isn't exactly what you want | 11:37 |
| flocculant | :) | 11:37 |
| knome | maybe we can set up something like what you want too | 11:38 |
| knome | but what was the comment re: readable for testers? | 11:38 |
| flocculant | not sure how we could get due dates onto LP | 11:38 |
| knome | the tracker can handle this and that. | 11:38 |
| knome | and we can make it handle more | 11:38 |
| flocculant | reading the dev list back in June - qa was discussing with some testers how to get info to them - was m/l and trello | 11:39 |
| flocculant | that's what I was referring too | 11:39 |
| knome | can you point me to the thread or summarize it again? | 11:39 |
| flocculant | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-May/010746.html | 11:41 |
| knome | thanks | 11:41 |
| flocculant | and forward from there | 11:41 |
| knome | right, that thread | 11:42 |
| knome | well it went to nonsense quickly | 11:42 |
| flocculant | when doesn't it | 11:44 |
| knome | when you send a mail and nobody replies to it? :P | 11:44 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 11:44 |
| flocculant | anyway - the long and short of it is that lp and blueprints isn't the place to do that sort of thing :) | 11:45 |
| flocculant | and mailing list comes up short really, so until I know of something else that can be used ... | 11:45 |
| knome | likely not, because there isn't any single actionable item | 11:45 |
| flocculant | yep | 11:45 |
| knome | well, bbl | 11:46 |
| flocculant | hf | 11:46 |
| knome | wife wants the laptop and then she has other tasks assigned to me | 11:46 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 11:46 |
| knome | let's pick this up when i get back | 11:46 |
| knome | -> | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: thanks | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: anything in particular you want in a very near menulibre release? | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | going to improve pantheon and plank integration | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | since I've seen some distress in my google search subscription :) | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 12:11 |
| knome | flocculant, so i understand what you'd like $software to do, but what it is for the testers? | 12:45 |
| flocculant | somewhere easy for them to read foo and bar basically | 12:55 |
| flocculant | toying with a couple of ideas - possibly revamp x.org qa page(s) with a bit more detail, or if I have sufficient time to fight ubuntu wiki maybe there | 12:56 |
| knome | the ubuntu wiki seems to be the slowest out there now | 12:57 |
| knome | LP has gotten a datacentre move and timeouts have been reduced | 12:57 |
| knome | so it's actually pretty good now | 12:57 |
| flocculant | lp? | 12:58 |
| flocculant | because the wiki is slower than ever | 12:58 |
| knome | yes, LP | 12:59 |
| flocculant | long and short at the moment is I'm not completely sure what I need as I'm not completely sure what I'm going to be doing :) | 12:59 |
| flocculant | I just know that LP is not the right place for it :) | 13:00 |
| knome | in a way, the mailing list sounds like the right place | 13:00 |
| knome | it's well archived, and you can do updates as often as you wish | 13:00 |
| knome | of course, it doesn't necessarily reach the testers the way we wanted | 13:01 |
| flocculant | mmm | 13:01 |
| knome | but then what will? | 13:01 |
| flocculant | still not sure m/l is right | 13:01 |
| knome | i mean, the technology doesn't bring the users | 13:01 |
| flocculant | you can't actually update things - all you can do is resend with something else | 13:02 |
| flocculant | knome: ofc not :) | 13:02 |
| knome | yep | 13:02 |
| knome | but then if it's so much in flux, something like etherpad might just be the right choice | 13:02 |
| knome | i know it sucks people need to have an LP account... | 13:02 |
| knome | but tbh, they need that to do pretty much anything | 13:03 |
| flocculant | yea - and of course you have to wait to be added to the team | 13:03 |
| knome | if that seems to be the bottleneck, i can volunteer to admin the team too | 13:03 |
| flocculant | I'd rather have something that people can *just* look at easily - and for that type of thing trello appears to be easiest | 13:03 |
| knome | what i like pad > trello is the ownership colors | 13:04 |
| flocculant | yea - that's a useful thing | 13:04 |
| knome | and you also have the chat there | 13:04 |
| flocculant | yep | 13:05 |
| knome | but yeah, it would be perfect if you could see without account | 13:05 |
| ochosi | i guess you can set pads up like that, just not the *buntu pad | 13:06 |
| knome | yes, you can set up pads like anybody can edit | 13:06 |
| flocculant | mmm | 13:06 |
| flocculant | didn't think of that tbh | 13:06 |
| flocculant | *other* pads | 13:06 |
| knome | ;) | 13:06 |
| ochosi | lol | 13:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: nothing in particular from my side for menulibre | 13:07 |
| flocculant | not that it's likely to happen - with trello as it is set up - random people can read but not edit | 13:07 |
| flocculant | so no chance of random graffiti to clear up etc | 13:08 |
| flocculant | though - with ~10 testers it'd not take long to ask who did it :D | 13:08 |
| flocculant | the end result needs to be easy for testers to just check what's needed - I'm not overly concerned with how much work is in it for me tbh | 13:09 |
| knome | flocculant, with that amount it's not too hard to get them to register an LP account ;) | 13:09 |
| flocculant | not sure what LP has to do with it? | 13:12 |
| knome | nvm :P | 13:12 |
| flocculant | unless you're referring to buntu pad | 13:13 |
| knome | yep | 13:13 |
| flocculant | right - still not sure I'm liking pad vs trello for what I anticipate | 13:13 |
| knome | one option would be to make ~xubuntu-testers a member of ~ubuntu-etherpad -> all testers get the access automatically | 13:14 |
| knome | ok | 13:14 |
| knome | i'm not opposed to you using trello, i'm just wondering if we could get it all in one place | 13:14 |
| flocculant | yep | 13:15 |
| flocculant | if it works out that we can I've not got an issue with using something else | 13:15 |
| flocculant | nothing is set in stone | 13:15 |
| knome | could the information be in the ISO tracker somehow? | 13:16 |
| knome | (or packages where appropriate) | 13:16 |
| flocculant | what I'm really after is working kinks out between now and end of wily cycle so it's all in place and working for the LTS cycle | 13:16 |
| knome | ack | 13:17 |
| flocculant | nah - trackers even further away than blueprint is :) | 13:18 |
| flocculant | imagine somewhere *we* can write - people test this | 13:18 |
| flocculant | and then change it tomorrow | 13:18 |
| flocculant | with generic information as well | 13:19 |
| knome | tracker could be able to do that | 13:19 |
| knome | there's the notice board for front page | 13:19 |
| knome | why not for product families | 13:19 |
| ochosi | knome: but the pad isnt much better than trello for the tracker, no? | 13:20 |
| knome | ochosi, right | 13:20 |
| knome | ochosi, otoh, the ISO tracker would be better because people need to go there to report tests anyway | 13:20 |
| knome | so avoids extra steps | 13:20 |
| ochosi | mhm | 13:20 |
| ochosi | is that one still actively maintained/developed? | 13:21 |
| flocculant | knome: the tracker is just too unwieldy - I'm obviously not making the agility I want plain enough :) | 13:21 |
| flocculant | talking of which - need to sort tracker admin out with nick | 13:22 |
| flocculant | I don't particularly want to use *anything* - but for what I anticipate/envisage - trello seems the best fit for it | 13:23 |
| knome | ochosi, there are people who have done updates for it lately | 13:31 |
| knome | i have more tasks incoming. | 13:32 |
| knome | see you later. | 13:32 |
| flocculant | heh - cya later :) | 13:33 |
| ochosi | hf knome | 13:34 |
| ali1234 | ristretto won't let me zoom an image to more than 50.5% ... | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | in fact it won't let the image be bigger than the window... ever | 14:35 |
| ochosi | "ristretto: italian for 'restricted'" (in this case zooming) ;) | 14:36 |
| ali1234 | this is a bug though right? | 14:37 |
| ali1234 | the "1:1" button just does nothing... | 14:37 |
| flocculant | I just zoomed something to 400% - and then back to 100% with the '1' button | 14:38 |
| ali1234 | http://i.imgur.com/9ATHdff.png this is the image | 14:38 |
| flocculant | saved that and ristretto works fine with that too, though it does stop zooming at 400% | 14:41 |
| ochosi | knome: started some trial on a greybird a11y xfwm4 theme, if you have time we can discuss how far to take the a11y aspect | 19:48 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I've made the requested changes to chapter 1 and finished the draft of chapter 2. They should be ready for your review. | 19:54 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: nice! what's left from your pov? | 19:59 |
| jjfrv8 | I thought I needed to work through the rest of the chapters that were copied over to the wiki. Unless you don't think they're all needed. | 20:00 |
| ochosi | tbh i haven't looked recently | 20:06 |
| jjfrv8 | Using Removable Media and Preferences shouldn't take too much work. | 20:11 |
| jjfrv8 | But as I mentioned earlier, the plugins stuff seems to be outdated and I don't know what's accurate about them anymore. | 20:12 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: k, i'll try to review the first two chapters asap | 20:47 |
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| knome | ochosi, sure | 21:38 |
| Noskcaj | How should i hide the sgt-puzzles desktop files? Just a postinst that adds a bunch of NoDisplays ? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: i'd do it like that but it might be best to ask bluesabre, he has more xp with menu and desktop file spec | 22:14 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 22:14 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: there's probably no good way to really do it outside of making them no-display | 22:23 |
| ochosi | oh, and there he is :) | 22:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i would second this bugreport/patch/suggestion btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1476401 | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1476401 in Catfish "Missing GenericName" [Undecided,New] | 22:24 |
| knome | ochosi, if you didn't notice, i'm here too ;) | 22:24 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah yeah | 22:24 |
| * ochosi pats knome on the head | 22:24 | |
| knome | hah | 22:24 |
| knome | just saying, i'm not in a rush | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: makes sense | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | but catfish is next week | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | silly simon | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | :p | 22:24 |
| ochosi | oh ofc ;)) | 22:24 |
| ochosi | knome: well you could start with a draft for a blog post/announcement for xfpanel-switch. i gotta head to bed soon tonight, but i guess i could finalise it tomorrow ;) | 22:25 |
| knome | hahah | 22:25 |
| knome | i thought you wanted to talk about greybird a11y :P | 22:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, i can quickly tell you what i had in mind | 22:26 |
| knome | if you think it's worth it | 22:26 |
| knome | (instead of actually having time to sit down and discuss about it) | 22:26 |
| ochosi | since an a11y gtk theme is a lot of work and there's not enough time for me to work on that this cycle i thought i'd just do more variations of the xfwm4 theme and we could just ship all of them | 22:27 |
| ochosi | one of them can be found in the xfwm4-refresh branch | 22:27 |
| knome | heh | 22:27 |
| knome | okay | 22:27 |
| ochosi | another one will get pushed to xfwm4-a11y | 22:27 |
| ochosi | for a11y i considered making it highcontrast, but i'm not 100% sure of that now | 22:28 |
| ochosi | maybe just a thicker-border greybird xfwm4 version | 22:28 |
| knome | xfwm? | 22:28 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:28 |
| knome | thicker border == bigger buttons would be a good start | 22:28 |
| knome | maybe the inside gradient could be hinting more towards white at the top | 22:28 |
| knome | well, the gradient that we'd introduce | 22:29 |
| ochosi | if you have time to check it out now, i can quickly push what i have | 22:29 |
| knome | ok, if you remind me how to get the branch | 22:29 |
| bluesabre | go to tree, break off branch | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | 3. smack bluesabre with said branch for being a troll | 22:30 |
| knome | :D | 22:31 |
| ochosi | knome: git clone $repo && git checkout xfwm4-a11y | 22:32 |
| ochosi | bluesabre (and everyone else) feel free to take a look too | 22:32 |
| ochosi | wouldnt mind some feedback on that one | 22:32 |
| knome | was the font size controlled by xfwm themes? | 22:33 |
| knome | or just user? | 22:33 |
| ochosi | just a user setting | 22:34 |
| knome | ok | 22:34 |
| knome | first comments/thoughts: | 22:34 |
| knome | the active/inactive window menu button coloring is weird | 22:34 |
| ochosi | which sucks a bit, cause the title vertical offset is "hardcoded" (or at least not in very user-friendly place) | 22:34 |
| knome | i would expect them to be the other way around really | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: whats the repo in this case? | 22:35 |
| knome | well, the bg color | 22:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: normal greybird repo | 22:35 |
| knome | bluesabre, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | ah | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | stupid me | 22:35 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, those buttons i haven't touched | 22:36 |
| knome | another thing is that i'd up the size of the button icons | 22:36 |
| ochosi | for now i'm mostly curious whether you think the size is enough | 22:36 |
| ochosi | or whether you like this sort of hover-style | 22:36 |
| ochosi | which makes the buttons a bit more discoverable i think | 22:36 |
| knome | i'm not a fan of that hover-style | 22:36 |
| ochosi | i'd have to redraw them potentially anyway | 22:36 |
| knome | but for a11y... | 22:36 |
| knome | i don't know | 22:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, this is not the new default look | 22:36 |
| knome | maybe it'd help more if they were visible at all time | 22:36 |
| knome | even slightly | 22:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's another option | 22:36 |
| knome | even if that isn't too accessible | 22:36 |
| knome | but some highlight for the button area | 22:37 |
| ochosi | i could just make them look like any other gtk button | 22:37 |
| knome | then for hover, more white for the bg | 22:37 |
| knome | mmh, why not | 22:37 |
| knome | something like that might work | 22:37 |
| ochosi | shouldn't be too hard | 22:37 |
| knome | i don't know if that much padding is helpful between the buttons | 22:37 |
| knome | maybe it doesn't look so bad when/if they have the borders visible at all times | 22:37 |
| ochosi | i guess we'll know when they aren't flat anymore | 22:37 |
| knome | yep | 22:38 |
| knome | and really, make the icons inside larger | 22:38 |
| knome | their color is good IMO | 22:38 |
| ochosi | i'd just do the same padding as with the rest of the theme / buttons | 22:38 |
| ochosi | for starters at least | 22:38 |
| ochosi | mhm, was thinking about that too | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | oh | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | that looks nice | 22:38 |
| ochosi | i made the borders 3px btw | 22:38 |
| ochosi | bumped from 1px | 22:38 |
| knome | yep, that's good | 22:39 |
| knome | could be even 4 | 22:39 |
| knome | or 5 | 22:39 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: feel free to check out the xfwm4-refresh branch too | 22:39 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, that's what i was wondering. how far should i push that | 22:39 |
| knome | again, it's a11y | 22:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, so maybe 4 or 5 then | 22:39 |
| knome | how much is enough to hit that comfortably *every time* (for us at least) | 22:39 |
| knome | it should be frustration-free | 22:39 |
| knome | so on the more minor issues | 22:40 |
| knome | i would make the padding between the button borders and window borders smaller | 22:40 |
| knome | imo they can be pretty close to the edge | 22:40 |
| knome | or is that exactly the handle that's taking the space there too? | 22:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, probably, but that again will be something to see when they're not flat anymore | 22:41 |
| knome | yep | 22:41 |
| knome | at least one thing to fix: | 22:41 |
| knome | make the padding to top the same as to left | 22:41 |
| knome | or right | 22:41 |
| knome | looks weird now | 22:41 |
| ochosi | i'll try to quickly fix up the buttons so we can get a better impression of that | 22:42 |
| knome | ok | 22:42 |
| ochosi | also gotta fix the style | 22:43 |
| ochosi | not sure i like those alternative symbols | 22:43 |
| knome | no hurry for me :P | 22:43 |
| knome | right, that might be confusing too | 22:43 |
| knome | and it's still greybird, so consistency++ | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: seems like the menu is quite a bit over | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | http://i.imgur.com/hbRI43w.png | 22:45 |
| ochosi | wow weird | 22:45 |
| knome | can confirm that | 22:45 |
| ochosi | but yeah | 22:45 |
| ochosi | the problem is fairly obvious | 22:46 |
| ochosi | when looking at the theme | 22:46 |
| ochosi | so no worries, i'll fix that | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | cool | 22:46 |
| ochosi | this is more of a sketch tbh | 22:46 |
| knome | like a python sketch? | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | not again! | 22:46 |
| knome | yes again! | 22:46 |
| * bluesabre dies | 22:46 | |
| knome | he's pining for the fjords | 22:47 |
| ochosi | pull again | 22:47 |
| knome | yeah, i would likely put them closer to each other | 22:48 |
| knome | and make a more prominent hover style | 22:48 |
| ochosi | the hover style is currently very close to the gtk buttons | 22:48 |
| ochosi | or the same | 22:48 |
| knome | right, but that likely needs fixing too once we get there | 22:48 |
| ochosi | right, but that's still far away :) | 22:49 |
| knome | sure, but let's set the standard | 22:49 |
| ochosi | i thought consistency++ ;) | 22:49 |
| knome | this way we can also get feedback on whether it's too bright | 22:49 |
| knome | or if it isn't bright enough | 22:49 |
| knome | so we have time to adjust | 22:49 |
| ochosi | first i wanna get the button size and all that right | 22:50 |
| ochosi | then we can fiddle with hover styles i'd say | 22:50 |
| knome | sure | 22:50 |
| knome | just saying since you wanted feedback, eh? | 22:50 |
| ochosi | otherwise i always have to go back and mod everything | 22:50 |
| ochosi | yeah yeah ;) | 22:50 |
| knome | actually, | 22:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: there is some weird gtk3 mechanism that makes my touchpad constantly select or grab stuff, have you noticed any of that at all? | 22:52 |
| knome | i like how the menu button looks on the inactive window | 22:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: even when i just wanna move the cursor around with one finger | 22:52 |
| knome | if we had that and the fg color of the button on the active window... | 22:52 |
| ochosi | isn't that too dark though? | 22:52 |
| knome | that would set the buttons off just enough from the wm | 22:52 |
| knome | i don't know | 22:53 |
| knome | i just like how it looks | 22:53 |
| knome | a11y doesn't need to mean it looks like a turd | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: more things (toolbars) are grabbable in gtk3 | 22:53 |
| ochosi | knome: ok pull that in | 22:55 |
| knome | juicy | 22:56 |
| knome | that looks good imo | 22:56 |
| knome | now th fg might need to be a bit darker | 22:56 |
| knome | but that's fine really | 22:56 |
| ochosi | the gradient seems a bit wrong to me | 22:56 |
| knome | really? | 22:56 |
| ochosi | seems to go lighter toward the bottom | 22:56 |
| knome | doesn't it? | 22:57 |
| ochosi | which is a bit odd with the rest of the buttons of the theme doing the opposite | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | Did you reduce the contrast of the text? | 22:57 |
| knome | bluesabre, with the xfwm theming? :P | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | yah | 22:57 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, also just noticed that i get erroneous text-selection in mousepad-gtk3 with my touchpad. really weird and only gtk3 related | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | the xfwm font seems lighter than before | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | maybe not | 22:58 |
| ochosi | maybe, not sure | 22:58 |
| ochosi | i would make it darker anyway | 22:58 |
| knome | ochosi, it looks like it's lighter on the bottom because it is | 22:58 |
| ochosi | the active one at least | 22:58 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah i know, but that's what feels wrong to me | 22:58 |
| knome | i'm fine with flipping it over | 22:58 |
| knome | and an idea: | 22:58 |
| knome | maybe the close/menu buttons could have that lighter style | 22:58 |
| knome | if you want | 22:59 |
| knome | to emphasize their special meaning | 22:59 |
| knome | maybe it isn't the best thing to overthink/-do this tonight | 22:59 |
| knome | go get some sleep :) | 23:00 |
| knome | generally, this is a good direction | 23:00 |
| knome | ++ | 23:00 |
| knome | (generally meaning, everything that i didn't say isn't perfect is good, eg. nothing) | 23:00 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 23:00 |
| ochosi | was mainly going for the general feedback of whether you agree with this direction | 23:01 |
| ochosi | as i said, all the buttons will likely have to be redrawn entirely | 23:01 |
| ochosi | i'm not happy with how that theme is done atm | 23:01 |
| knome | it's good for me, now we need some people who actually needs a11y stuff | 23:01 |
| ochosi | prolly | 23:01 |
| knome | but let's improve it to be better first | 23:01 |
| ochosi | anybody here knows some old folks? : | 23:01 |
| ochosi | :p | 23:01 |
| knome | ochosi, your mom | 23:02 |
| knome | ba-dum tsshh | 23:02 |
| ochosi | no seriously, thing is i don't wanna go highcontrast-a11y | 23:02 |
| ochosi | just a bit more easy to hit everything | 23:02 |
| knome | ooh, he's a hitter | 23:02 |
| ochosi | :D | 23:02 |
| knome | know what i mean, know what i mean | 23:02 |
| knome | o-o-ooo | 23:03 |
| knome | et cetera | 23:03 |
| ochosi | indeed, i do :) | 23:03 |
| knome | i know you do.. | 23:04 |
| knome | aaanyway | 23:04 |
| knome | maybe we can get folks around ubuntu help us with this | 23:04 |
| knome | get it cycled in the UWN | 23:04 |
| knome | canonical design folks? | 23:04 |
| knome | might be a stretch, but who knows | 23:04 |
| ochosi | right, why not | 23:04 |
| ochosi | but they might go too far in the real a11y direction | 23:04 |
| ochosi | which means maybe 2x the size and contrsat | 23:05 |
| ochosi | contrast | 23:05 |
| knome | well, we would only ask for feedback | 23:05 |
| knome | but then again | 23:05 |
| knome | i guess it depends on the definition | 23:05 |
| knome | another one just needs bigger borders | 23:05 |
| knome | another one more contrast | 23:05 |
| knome | etc | 23:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i dunno why you never mentioned this hideous theming artifact: http://i.imgur.com/lYNAZvZ.png | 23:05 |
| knome | it's endless.. | 23:05 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:05 |
| knome | so the only way to catch-all is to make a catch-all, "real" a11y theme | 23:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i guess i should really try to get gtkentries and all other widgets at the same size/padding. this really sucks | 23:06 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, i don't wanna do that | 23:06 |
| ochosi | there's already highcontrast for that | 23:06 |
| knome | yeah, me neither | 23:06 |
| knome | but the balance is important to find | 23:06 |
| knome | and for that, guesses are meh | 23:06 |
| knome | i could probably ask a few non-technical people to evaluate it | 23:07 |
| knome | read: relatives | 23:07 |
| ochosi | alright | 23:07 |
| knome | and maybe somebody else | 23:07 |
| ochosi | anyway, will get some sleep now | 23:07 |
| knome | let's think about that when it's current | 23:07 |
| knome | oki, good night | 23:07 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 23:07 |
| knome | he's just resting | 23:08 |
| knome | people | 23:08 |
| knome | no worries | 23:08 |
| knome | ;) | 23:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh also, please add ctrl+q as a shortcut to menulibre for quitting | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: will do | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: still around? | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | that theming bug you mentioned is really me not using widgets correctly, and is fixed in the 2.1 branch | 23:39 |
| bluesabre | http://i.imgur.com/yScNLMn.png | 23:40 |
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