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| santa_ | gcc 5 uploaded to unstable https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-5/news/20150731T094053Z.html | 10:45 |
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| santa_ | ~ final judgement starts, we must delay it | 10:45 |
| doko | santa_, Riddell: new packages are now in silo 39, with a lot of renamed library packages | 11:03 |
| santa_ | doko: thank you, gcc 5 is going to be available in ubuntu unstable today as scheduled, right? | 11:08 |
| doko | trying ... | 11:09 |
| santa_ | off for a while, brb | 11:49 |
| soee_ | Riddell: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103317747728601767381/posts/8Ne3cbXF6qg?cfem=1 | 11:59 |
| santa_ | ScottK: list of possible debian's qt ftbfs'es: https://paste.kde.org/pjai4grix | 13:06 |
| soee_ | from g+: http://cdn.overclock.net/d/d9/d9fcbaaa_QP5DBAz.jpeg | 13:21 |
| ScottK | santa_: Did anyone work out fixes for those? | 13:53 |
| santa_ | if I'm not mistaken debian and ubuntu aren't sharing symbols files for Qt | 13:58 |
| santa_ | ScottK: so, replying to your question: for debian -> nope afaik; for ubuntu -> I don't know, better check with those canonical fellows | 13:59 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 14:00 |
| ScottK | mitya57: Have you looked into Qt5/gcc5? | 14:00 |
| santa_ | ScottK: oh, and just a small thing: qtenginio has last upload to unstable not available in git master, maybe you want to poke the debian's person in charge | 14:01 |
| ScottK | K. | 14:01 |
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| ScottK | santa_: pushed. | 14:10 |
| santa_ | ScottK: thank you, I will rebuild that one | 14:21 |
| santa_ | ScottK: ok, qtenginio master does build so you can remove it from the list | 14:44 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:55 |
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| * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/07/31/kubuntu-paddleboard-club/ | 15:33 | |
| lordievader | Hehe, the movie at the end :D | 15:36 |
| genii | Riddell: Is this where my donation money goes? ;) | 15:42 |
| sgclark | lol | 15:42 |
| lordievader | Looks liek you guys had a good time ;) | 15:42 |
| Riddell | genii: no no, that's all self funded :) | 15:42 |
| lordievader | like* | 15:42 |
| genii | Ah, carry on then! | 15:42 |
| soee_ | oh if you do surfing etc. maybe someon is diving also ? | 15:43 |
| === soee_ is now known as soee | ||
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: app-install-data | 17:00 |
| doko | Riddell, santa_ : GCC 5 in proposed, have fun | 17:02 |
| Riddell | doko: awooga! | 17:02 |
| Riddell | doko: will you copy over stuff from your PPA like qt? | 17:02 |
| doko | Riddell, it already is | 17:03 |
| doko | if you have new transitions, please document them in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GCC5 | 17:03 |
| mitya57 | ScottK, it builds, but some symbols need to be removed (they are already marked as optional) | 17:07 |
| mitya57 | no transition needed because Qt does not use STL in public API/ABI | 17:08 |
| mitya57 | I'll probably do the symbols removal for qtbase right now (in experimental branch) | 17:09 |
| ScottK | K. Thanks. | 17:17 |
| doko | mitya57, ScottK : you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded | 17:19 |
| ScottK | K. | 17:19 |
| mitya57 | doko, ok. I'm not planning of uploading anything to Ubuntu, but I'll wait before doing it in Debian. | 17:22 |
| lisandro | ScottK: here | 17:24 |
| ScottK | Welcome lisandro. | 17:24 |
| lisandro | _o/ | 17:24 |
| lisandro | I don't know what was already discussed wrt qt5 and gcc5, but so far I could only find symbols changes in qtbase (haven't checked tthe rest yet) | 17:25 |
| lisandro | mitya57, doko: I'm already working on the symbols stuff on Debian, at least to have things moving | 17:26 |
| doko | you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded | 17:26 |
| doko | or prepare these first. | 17:27 |
| lisandro | apart that they need to be rebuilt with gcc5, is there anything else missing? | 17:27 |
| lisandro | because they should not bring symbols changes for us except they are breaking API | 17:28 |
| mitya57 | Should *we* do the double-conversion library transition in Debian? We are not maintaining it… | 17:28 |
| doko | yes followup library transitions | 17:28 |
| doko | let me file a bug, I didn't yet | 17:28 |
| lisandro | well, if it's just waiting for the libs to be rebuilt then it's just a mteer of following the transition | 17:29 |
| lisandro | *matter | 17:29 |
| lisandro | and keeping symbols up to date | 17:29 |
| lisandro | mitya57: I've got some vtables dissapearing from qtxmlsomething | 17:30 |
| lisandro | but I *think* those are safe | 17:30 |
| doko | for every library where new cxx11 appear, you should do a library transition | 17:30 |
| mitya57 | qtxmlpatterns? | 17:30 |
| doko | I see, I need to better explain that ... | 17:30 |
| lisandro | from that part of qtbase, just a minute | 17:31 |
| santa_ | lisandro: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/31/#kubuntu-devel.html | 17:32 |
| lisandro | doko: it's just a matter of waiting to get all rdeps rebuilt until we push qt, that's all | 17:32 |
| lisandro | except again if somthing is breaking api | 17:32 |
| doko | abi, not api | 17:32 |
| doko | the api stays the same | 17:32 |
| doko | read one of the bugs at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=libstdc%2B%2B-cxx11;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org | 17:33 |
| * lisandro reads | 17:34 | |
| lisandro | doko: ahhh, then normal transition stuff. We just need to wait until all the pieces are put together | 17:35 |
| lisandro | Qt exported symbols will not change if rdeps change abi | 17:35 |
| doko | if everybody waits, then this will take a year ... | 17:35 |
| lisandro | there is no other way around I'm afraid | 17:36 |
| lisandro | that's why the transition is handled in levels | 17:36 |
| lisandro | well, it's either that or binNMUing packages a lot of times | 17:37 |
| lisandro | at the end it's faster to simply wait | 17:37 |
| doko | if you think, fine | 17:37 |
| lisandro | sure thing, but don't worry, the RT will prompltly mark us if an upload is needed | 17:38 |
| doko | the release team is having a vacation right now | 17:39 |
| lisandro | then I'll do my best to keep an eye on the transition as a whole too | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | mhall119: so coming to ubucon berlin? | 18:28 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: happy with the patch ? | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | idk, maybe | 18:42 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | perhaps check why it was ma: same | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | anyway, have to go | 18:42 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: #ubuntu-bugs | 18:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugs | 18:43 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: see bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | 18:43 |
| soee | someone seen sitter lately ? | 18:56 |
| ahoneybun | he left I think wedsday | 18:58 |
| soee | is there someone else who can add slack integratin to kubuntu-ci (jenkins) > | 19:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | soee: we still haven't decided if we will use slack, since it's NOT free software | 19:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | even if it can be integrated with all our tools | 19:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's NOT free software | 19:01 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: sure thing, i just wanted to test allthe possible and easy to do options :) | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | not that many people use slack tbh (at least in here | 19:03 |
| ahoneybun | I do like the mobile app over any irc app that I know of | 19:03 |
| soee | well i didn't knot slack either till the Neos devs started to use is so as TYPO3 CMS community | 19:05 |
| soee | and i just love it :) | 19:05 |
| soee | i see elementary os devs use it | 19:05 |
| valorie | I would like to see IRC <> Slack integration before we dismiss it | 19:06 |
| soee | i would like to know what is teh potential risk using such "non free" software | 19:06 |
| soee | is is tgainst our policy ? | 19:06 |
| valorie | I don't like using non-free software, but all of us use lots of it on our smartphones | 19:06 |
| sgclark | it makes folks grumpy! | 19:06 |
| valorie | all the time | 19:06 |
| soee | well than i think now its more not if it is good/better than irc etc. but rather that it is not open sourced right ? :) | 19:08 |
| soee | valorie: when it comes to bots we can try this: https://github.com/ekmartin/slack-irc | 19:14 |
| soee | i'd liek to know also Riddell opinion | 19:21 |
| Riddell | what what? | 19:28 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: waht do you think of us adopting slack? | 19:31 |
| soee | Riddell: what do you think about testing slack as a communication tool for Kubuntu team | 19:31 |
| Riddell | soee: it's a proprietary tool so sounds like a bad idea | 19:31 |
| clivejo | Riddell: calligra built OK !! | 19:40 |
| Riddell | clivejo: awooga :) | 19:40 |
| Riddell | clivejo: calligra-l10n needs doing if you fancy another task :) | 19:40 |
| clivejo | have you used it? | 19:40 |
| Riddell | calligra? I've no updated yet | 19:41 |
| clivejo | why does calligra need l10n? | 19:41 |
| clivejo | everyone speaks english! | 19:42 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's a joke, right? | 19:44 |
| clivejo | just a bit of craic Ovidiu | 19:46 |
| yofel | FWIW, compared to calligra, -l10n is childs play :P | 19:47 |
| clivejo | not if you havent a clue! | 19:48 |
| yofel | there was some script inside it that did most of the job | 19:48 |
| yofel | IIRC | 19:48 |
| * clivejo waits on ahoneybunto publish the "Kubuntu Packaging Bible" | 19:51 | |
| yofel | if he ever does, that will indeed be one huge book... | 19:51 |
| Riddell | there's a script in kubuntu-automation that I tend to use for calligra-l10n | 19:51 |
| clivejo | got a link? | 19:52 |
| yofel | clivejo: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation | 19:54 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo: yofel it would be a best selller | 19:55 |
| clivejo | oh dear, this code is copyright | 19:56 |
| clivejo | #Copyright Jonathan Riddell 2013 | 19:56 |
| valorie | soee: without the bot it is rather impossible to test it | 19:57 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: make an audio version I can learn in my sleep | 19:59 |
| Riddell | clivejo: I licence it though don't I? | 20:10 |
| Riddell | calligra-l10n-package is the one, let me know if you have problems | 20:11 |
| Riddell | calligra-l10n is a weird package with multiple .orig tars for the source which is rare | 20:11 |
| clivejo | I need to understand what is going on | 20:14 |
| clivejo | "depot.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/%s/calligra-%s/calligra-l10n/*tar*" % (stability, version) | 20:15 |
| clivejo | cant I just use the local tarbal on my machine? | 20:16 |
| yofel | the local 20 tarballs? | 20:16 |
| yofel | I don't think that's supported | 20:17 |
| clivejo | Im confused | 20:17 |
| yofel | oh, you need access to depot for that script :/ | 20:17 |
| clivejo | and what is depot? | 20:18 |
| yofel | a kde server where the tarballs are published before release | 20:19 |
| yofel | you can try the "upstream2orig" script inside calligra-l10n, that uses local files. | 20:20 |
| yofel | You can fetch the tarballs from download.kde.org for that | 20:20 |
| soee | test | 20:22 |
| soee | valorie: ping | 20:22 |
| slack-bot | <soee> hi slack-irc | 20:25 |
| soee | ok sorry for the spam - testing tis bot :) | 20:26 |
| soee | this bot will not send all messages to #development hannel on slack | 20:29 |
| soee | *now | 20:29 |
| slack-bot | <clivejo> does it work both ways? | 20:35 |
| soee | clivejo: yes, bot sends your message from slack to this irc channel | 20:35 |
| clivejo | I see | 20:36 |
| slack-bot | <yofel> soee++, now we can actually try this in a useful way :) | 20:37 |
| slack-bot | <soee> i can also configure other channels like #kubuntu to log to #help slack channel for example, but this is not needed atm. i think | 20:39 |
| sgclark | !testers | 20:39 |
| ubottu | testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information | 20:39 |
| sgclark | Plasma 5.3.2 vivid needs testing | 20:40 |
| soee | yay! :) | 20:40 |
| sgclark | neat | 20:40 |
| slack-bot | <yofel> Funny enough, here on the train slack's websocket connection is more stable than quassel's.. | 20:42 |
| yofel | that slack-bot pings me every time I say something on slack is annoying though :/ | 20:46 |
| yofel | otoh, you can answer pings on slack on irc.. | 20:48 |
| slack-bot | <sgclark> Hmm that could get bothersome | 20:48 |
| clivejo | soee: you mentioned there was an app for slack? | 20:51 |
| * yofel is just installing that | 20:51 | |
| yofel | there's also https://github.com/raelgc/scudcloud if you want something for the desktop | 20:51 |
| yofel | but that's not much different from just using the webapp | 20:52 |
| clivejo | I dont like leaving my computer on at night, will this allow me to stay logged in? | 20:52 |
| slack-bot | <soee> clivejo: https://slack.com/apps | 20:52 |
| soee | clivejo: but all slack channels history you can see next day | 20:53 |
| soee | it will show you howmany unread messages you heve there | 20:53 |
| soee | no need for app etc. | 20:53 |
| slack-bot | <clivejo> That could be useful | 20:54 |
| valorie | soee: sorry was either offline or in other stuff | 20:56 |
| valorie | here now | 20:56 |
| valorie | until this whisky in my glass is gone | 20:56 |
| ScottK | Considering slack isn't free software, I don't see the point. | 20:57 |
| clivejo | mmmm whiskey | 20:57 |
| valorie | ScottK: just a test, no worries | 20:58 |
| slack-bot | <sgclark> Cant you add #kubuntu-ci to slack like you did #kubuntu-devel? | 20:58 |
| valorie | and only for those who need to access IRC on their phones sometimes, and can't use quasseldroid etc. | 20:58 |
| ScottK | There are other IRC clients. | 20:58 |
| clivejo | the history feature is nice | 20:59 |
| valorie | yes | 20:59 |
| valorie | no argument | 20:59 |
| ScottK | Connectbot is pretty good. | 20:59 |
| valorie | since soee made a group, I thought it worthwhile to *test* | 20:59 |
| valorie | if people refuse to use it, we won't use it | 20:59 |
| clivejo | it can share media too? | 21:00 |
| valorie | unsure | 21:00 |
| valorie | you are in charge of it soee | 21:00 |
| valorie | ! | 21:00 |
| soee | clivejo: media ? | 21:03 |
| clivejo | pdf, pics, audio etc | 21:03 |
| soee | slack - yes | 21:04 |
| * valorie logs off, turns off computer, goes to bed! | 21:05 | |
| valorie | thank you, soee | 21:05 |
| valorie | niters all | 21:06 |
| clivejo | good night valorie | 21:07 |
| ScottK | soee: Are you in charge of this slack bot? | 21:09 |
| ScottK | I've read the terms of service for slack and I'm not at all comfortable with this IRC channel being copied to slack. | 21:09 |
| ScottK | Someone can ping me when it's turned off and I'll rejoin. I have no intention of being bound by their TOS and it's not at all clear to me that relaying my IRC onto slack doesn't trigger that. | 21:10 |
| soee | ScottK: yes i just started it for a tets | 21:10 |
| sgclark | heh irc bit is the only feature I find useful. | 21:15 |
| yofel | soee: can you turn the bot off please? we need Scott more than slack | 21:16 |
| soee | sure :) | 21:16 |
| soee | ok | 21:20 |
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