=== vinay is now known as Guest14794 [10:45] gcc 5 uploaded to unstable https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-5/news/20150731T094053Z.html [10:45] ~ final judgement starts, we must delay it [11:03] santa_, Riddell: new packages are now in silo 39, with a lot of renamed library packages [11:08] doko: thank you, gcc 5 is going to be available in ubuntu unstable today as scheduled, right? [11:09] trying ... [11:49] off for a while, brb [11:59] Riddell: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103317747728601767381/posts/8Ne3cbXF6qg?cfem=1 [13:06] ScottK: list of possible debian's qt ftbfs'es: https://paste.kde.org/pjai4grix [13:21] from g+: http://cdn.overclock.net/d/d9/d9fcbaaa_QP5DBAz.jpeg [13:53] santa_: Did anyone work out fixes for those? [13:58] if I'm not mistaken debian and ubuntu aren't sharing symbols files for Qt [13:59] ScottK: so, replying to your question: for debian -> nope afaik; for ubuntu -> I don't know, better check with those canonical fellows [14:00] OK. Thanks. [14:00] mitya57: Have you looked into Qt5/gcc5? [14:01] ScottK: oh, and just a small thing: qtenginio has last upload to unstable not available in git master, maybe you want to poke the debian's person in charge [14:01] K. === adrianalves is now known as adrian [14:10] santa_: pushed. [14:21] ScottK: thank you, I will rebuild that one [14:44] ScottK: ok, qtenginio master does build so you can remove it from the list [14:55] Thanks. === Mamarok is now known as Guest32214 [15:33] * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/07/31/kubuntu-paddleboard-club/ [15:36] Hehe, the movie at the end :D [15:42] Riddell: Is this where my donation money goes? ;) [15:42] lol [15:42] Looks liek you guys had a good time ;) [15:42] genii: no no, that's all self funded :) [15:42] like* [15:42] Ah, carry on then! [15:43] oh if you do surfing etc. maybe someon is diving also ? === soee_ is now known as soee [17:00] ovidiu-florin: app-install-data [17:02] Riddell, santa_ : GCC 5 in proposed, have fun [17:02] doko: awooga! [17:02] doko: will you copy over stuff from your PPA like qt? [17:03] Riddell, it already is [17:03] if you have new transitions, please document them in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GCC5 [17:07] ScottK, it builds, but some symbols need to be removed (they are already marked as optional) [17:08] no transition needed because Qt does not use STL in public API/ABI [17:09] I'll probably do the symbols removal for qtbase right now (in experimental branch) [17:17] K. Thanks. [17:19] mitya57, ScottK : you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded [17:19] K. [17:22] doko, ok. I'm not planning of uploading anything to Ubuntu, but I'll wait before doing it in Debian. [17:24] ScottK: here [17:24] Welcome lisandro. [17:24] _o/ [17:25] I don't know what was already discussed wrt qt5 and gcc5, but so far I could only find symbols changes in qtbase (haven't checked tthe rest yet) [17:26] mitya57, doko: I'm already working on the symbols stuff on Debian, at least to have things moving [17:26] you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded [17:27] or prepare these first. [17:27] apart that they need to be rebuilt with gcc5, is there anything else missing? [17:28] because they should not bring symbols changes for us except they are breaking API [17:28] Should *we* do the double-conversion library transition in Debian? We are not maintaining it… [17:28] yes followup library transitions [17:28] let me file a bug, I didn't yet [17:29] well, if it's just waiting for the libs to be rebuilt then it's just a mteer of following the transition [17:29] *matter [17:29] and keeping symbols up to date [17:30] mitya57: I've got some vtables dissapearing from qtxmlsomething [17:30] but I *think* those are safe [17:30] for every library where new cxx11 appear, you should do a library transition [17:30] qtxmlpatterns? [17:30] I see, I need to better explain that ... [17:31] from that part of qtbase, just a minute [17:32] lisandro: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/31/#kubuntu-devel.html [17:32] doko: it's just a matter of waiting to get all rdeps rebuilt until we push qt, that's all [17:32] except again if somthing is breaking api [17:32] abi, not api [17:32] the api stays the same [17:33] read one of the bugs at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=libstdc%2B%2B-cxx11;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org [17:34] * lisandro reads [17:35] doko: ahhh, then normal transition stuff. We just need to wait until all the pieces are put together [17:35] Qt exported symbols will not change if rdeps change abi [17:35] if everybody waits, then this will take a year ... [17:36] there is no other way around I'm afraid [17:36] that's why the transition is handled in levels [17:37] well, it's either that or binNMUing packages a lot of times [17:37] at the end it's faster to simply wait [17:37] if you think, fine [17:38] sure thing, but don't worry, the RT will prompltly mark us if an upload is needed [17:39] the release team is having a vacation right now [17:40] then I'll do my best to keep an eye on the transition as a whole too [18:28] mhall119: so coming to ubucon berlin? [18:40] shadeslayer: happy with the patch ? [18:42] idk, maybe [18:42] lol [18:42] perhaps check why it was ma: same [18:42] anyway, have to go [18:43] ovidiu-florin: #ubuntu-bugs [18:43] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugs [18:43] ovidiu-florin: see bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [18:56] someone seen sitter lately ? [18:58] he left I think wedsday [19:00] is there someone else who can add slack integratin to kubuntu-ci (jenkins) > [19:01] soee: we still haven't decided if we will use slack, since it's NOT free software [19:01] even if it can be integrated with all our tools [19:01] it's NOT free software [19:02] ovidiu-florin: sure thing, i just wanted to test allthe possible and easy to do options :) [19:03] not that many people use slack tbh (at least in here [19:03] I do like the mobile app over any irc app that I know of [19:05] well i didn't knot slack either till the Neos devs started to use is so as TYPO3 CMS community [19:05] and i just love it :) [19:05] i see elementary os devs use it [19:06] I would like to see IRC <> Slack integration before we dismiss it [19:06] i would like to know what is teh potential risk using such "non free" software [19:06] is is tgainst our policy ? [19:06] I don't like using non-free software, but all of us use lots of it on our smartphones [19:06] it makes folks grumpy! [19:06] all the time [19:08] well than i think now its more not if it is good/better than irc etc. but rather that it is not open sourced right ? :) [19:14] valorie: when it comes to bots we can try this: https://github.com/ekmartin/slack-irc [19:21] i'd liek to know also Riddell opinion [19:28] what what? [19:31] Riddell: waht do you think of us adopting slack? [19:31] Riddell: what do you think about testing slack as a communication tool for Kubuntu team [19:31] soee: it's a proprietary tool so sounds like a bad idea [19:40] Riddell: calligra built OK !! [19:40] clivejo: awooga :) [19:40] clivejo: calligra-l10n needs doing if you fancy another task :) [19:40] have you used it? [19:41] calligra? I've no updated yet [19:41] why does calligra need l10n? [19:42] everyone speaks english! [19:44] that's a joke, right? [19:46] just a bit of craic Ovidiu [19:47] FWIW, compared to calligra, -l10n is childs play :P [19:48] not if you havent a clue! [19:48] there was some script inside it that did most of the job [19:48] IIRC [19:51] * clivejo waits on ahoneybunto publish the "Kubuntu Packaging Bible" [19:51] if he ever does, that will indeed be one huge book... [19:51] there's a script in kubuntu-automation that I tend to use for calligra-l10n [19:52] got a link? [19:54] clivejo: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation [19:55] clivejo: yofel it would be a best selller [19:56] oh dear, this code is copyright [19:56] #Copyright Jonathan Riddell 2013 [19:57] soee: without the bot it is rather impossible to test it [19:59] ahoneybun: make an audio version I can learn in my sleep [20:10] clivejo: I licence it though don't I? [20:11] calligra-l10n-package is the one, let me know if you have problems [20:11] calligra-l10n is a weird package with multiple .orig tars for the source which is rare [20:14] I need to understand what is going on [20:15] "depot.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/%s/calligra-%s/calligra-l10n/*tar*" % (stability, version) [20:16] cant I just use the local tarbal on my machine? [20:16] the local 20 tarballs? [20:17] I don't think that's supported [20:17] Im confused [20:17] oh, you need access to depot for that script :/ [20:18] and what is depot? [20:19] a kde server where the tarballs are published before release [20:20] you can try the "upstream2orig" script inside calligra-l10n, that uses local files. [20:20] You can fetch the tarballs from download.kde.org for that [20:22] test [20:22] valorie: ping [20:25] hi slack-irc [20:26] ok sorry for the spam - testing tis bot :) [20:29] this bot will not send all messages to #development hannel on slack [20:29] *now [20:35] does it work both ways? [20:35] clivejo: yes, bot sends your message from slack to this irc channel [20:36] I see [20:37] soee++, now we can actually try this in a useful way :) [20:39] i can also configure other channels like #kubuntu to log to #help slack channel for example, but this is not needed atm. i think [20:39] !testers [20:39] testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information [20:40] Plasma 5.3.2 vivid needs testing [20:40] yay! :) [20:40] neat [20:42] Funny enough, here on the train slack's websocket connection is more stable than quassel's.. [20:46] that slack-bot pings me every time I say something on slack is annoying though :/ [20:48] otoh, you can answer pings on slack on irc.. [20:48] Hmm that could get bothersome [20:51] soee: you mentioned there was an app for slack? [20:51] * yofel is just installing that [20:51] there's also https://github.com/raelgc/scudcloud if you want something for the desktop [20:52] but that's not much different from just using the webapp [20:52] I dont like leaving my computer on at night, will this allow me to stay logged in? [20:52] clivejo: https://slack.com/apps [20:53] clivejo: but all slack channels history you can see next day [20:53] it will show you howmany unread messages you heve there [20:53] no need for app etc. [20:54] That could be useful [20:56] soee: sorry was either offline or in other stuff [20:56] here now [20:56] until this whisky in my glass is gone [20:57] Considering slack isn't free software, I don't see the point. [20:57] mmmm whiskey [20:58] ScottK: just a test, no worries [20:58] Cant you add #kubuntu-ci to slack like you did #kubuntu-devel? [20:58] and only for those who need to access IRC on their phones sometimes, and can't use quasseldroid etc. [20:58] There are other IRC clients. [20:59] the history feature is nice [20:59] yes [20:59] no argument [20:59] Connectbot is pretty good. [20:59] since soee made a group, I thought it worthwhile to *test* [20:59] if people refuse to use it, we won't use it [21:00] it can share media too? [21:00] unsure [21:00] you are in charge of it soee [21:00] ! [21:03] clivejo: media ? [21:03] pdf, pics, audio etc [21:04] slack - yes [21:05] * valorie logs off, turns off computer, goes to bed! [21:05] thank you, soee [21:06] niters all [21:07] good night valorie [21:09] soee: Are you in charge of this slack bot? [21:09] I've read the terms of service for slack and I'm not at all comfortable with this IRC channel being copied to slack. [21:10] Someone can ping me when it's turned off and I'll rejoin. I have no intention of being bound by their TOS and it's not at all clear to me that relaying my IRC onto slack doesn't trigger that. [21:10] ScottK: yes i just started it for a tets [21:15] heh irc bit is the only feature I find useful. [21:16] soee: can you turn the bot off please? we need Scott more than slack [21:16] sure :) [21:20] ok