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| dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
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| moritz31 | hey someone here ? | 08:56 |
| ogra_ | only 312 people it seems | 09:01 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy System Administrator Appreciation Day! 😃 | 09:02 |
| mardy | mzanetti: hi! Does the open app store support multiple versions of the same app (for different frameworks and architectures)? | 09:04 |
| moritz31 | can someone maybe help me with porting to the z3tc, think i got a problem because of sony's custom mkbootimg | 09:11 |
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| junk0xc0de | hi there. i need to port Ubuntu Touch to my Android Phone (Lenovo A526). where should i start, what should i do? | 11:47 |
| k1l | there was a porting guide somewhere in the wiki pages | 11:47 |
| guest42345 | junk0xc0de, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ | 11:47 |
| junk0xc0de | guest42345, tnx | 11:47 |
| guest42345 | have fun | 11:47 |
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| k1l | afaik, if cm runs on the device its not that hard. | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | we switched to AOSP a while ago ... | 11:48 |
| k1l | which i could try for the good old hp touchpad since there are some cm ports for that. | 11:49 |
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| ogra_ | pmcgowan, bug 1480284 | 12:34 |
| ubot5 | bug 1480284 in Canonical System Image "please remove unused libstagefright*.so files from the android container" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1480284 | 12:34 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, | 12:35 |
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| kenvandine | mandel, any luck figuring out the issue with the fix-network branch? | 12:37 |
| kenvandine | mandel, i've reproduced the problem seb128 had seen, it just doesn't find any updates | 12:38 |
| kenvandine | mandel, i really want to get that fixed, because fixing the u1 credential is dependent on that branch | 12:38 |
| mandel | kenvandine, I have a working branch on it, but I first have to finish the integration of pulse audio with the trust store, I'll move back to system-settings in a few hours | 12:39 |
| mandel | kenvandine, you should have an updated MR today | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | mandel, thx! | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | mandel, if you want to propose a branch based on the fix-network-errors branch, that would be easiest | 12:40 |
| mandel | kenvandine, ok, will do that | 12:40 |
| kenvandine | thanks! | 12:40 |
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| Guest8495 | this is gonna sounds like a silly question.. but where the heck do you get the touch OS image ? I can only find the developer preview.... but from what I understand.. they are shipping a phone with an os ? | 12:44 |
| k1l | Guest8495: you need a special image for every device. we dont have a ubuntu cd for all smartphones like we do have on pcs. | 12:45 |
| Guest8495 | ohhh ok... so I guess im out of luck trying to get it on my chinese phone.. | 12:46 |
| k1l | which device is it? | 12:46 |
| Guest8495 | its a mlais mx | 12:46 |
| k1l | you could look out if someone did the job of porting ubuntu-touch to it already. ir you could start it yourself: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ | 12:47 |
| Guest8495 | hmm | 12:49 |
| Guest8495 | looks like quite a bit of work lol | 12:49 |
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| ProstheticS | hey ogra, i saw in a conversation you talking to some of the kde devs about being making images that are easily flashable to swap between plasma mobile/unity front ends (as i assume the rest of the stack is fairly unchanged, mir->unity wayland->kde , being the larger differentiators | 13:14 |
| ProstheticS | that'd be pretty damn awesome | 13:14 |
| ProstheticS | (im running on a meizu and to be able to see what they're doing on it would rock) | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | ProstheticS, right | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | they need to create the prerequisites for that first though ... like a seed and meta package for plasma | 13:20 |
| ProstheticS | no doubt, not really saying all this to push you or anyhting, more just commenting on how awesome that would be, and i imagine you would also love to play with the above as well :) | 13:21 |
| ProstheticS | did i read somewhere that they think plasma mobile will be able to run android apps? | 13:23 |
| ProstheticS | if they get that going (shashlik i beleive the softwares called) do you think you guys will try and port its display portion to run no mir so that ubuntu touch can run em too? | 13:24 |
| ProstheticS | i guess, with all these being recent announcements no thought has really gone into this yet though :p | 13:24 |
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| Z3 | Hi! It's possible to create a customized scope with only the icons of your favorite applications in a similar way to android "classic" desktop? | 15:51 |
| Z3 | And remove the other scopes | 15:51 |
| JanC | Z3: that should be possible, but why not use the sidebar launcher for that? (or do you have too many "favourite apps" for that?) | 15:54 |
| Z3 | JanC I just want that ubuntu phone desktop look similar to android | 15:54 |
| Z3 | I like desktop with icons | 15:55 |
| Z3 | I would like to configure my ubuntu phone in that way | 15:55 |
| JanC | why not use Android then? ;-) | 15:55 |
| Z3 | because what's under the desktop is completely different :-) | 15:55 |
| Z3 | I will have a computer in my pocket, console linux apps ... | 15:55 |
| JanC | but, like I said, it should be possible to create a scope like that, I guess | 15:55 |
| Z3 | Ok, thank you ! :-) | 15:56 |
| JanC | the developer docs should have info about creating scopes | 15:56 |
| Z3 | mmm | 15:57 |
| Z3 | so it's not possible for the end user? | 15:57 |
| JanC | seems like the main apps scope can't be removed though | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | you could disable everything but the apps scope | 15:57 |
| Z3 | perfect | 15:58 |
| Z3 | that's the scope I want | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | that would pretty much look like it i guess | 15:58 |
| Z3 | :) | 15:58 |
| Z3 | great ! | 15:58 |
| JanC | well, it's not (only) your "favourite apps" | 15:58 |
| Z3 | ok | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | no, its 6 or 8 favorites by default and all the rest underneath | 15:58 |
| Z3 | and the final question | 15:58 |
| Z3 | great | 15:59 |
| Z3 | that's enough for me | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | (6 or 8 depending on the device) | 15:59 |
| Z3 | it would be fine | 15:59 |
| Z3 | ok | 15:59 |
| JanC | ogra_: it's possible to change those 6 or 8? | 15:59 |
| Z3 | my other question is: it's possible (when convergence arrives) install another desktops for the desktop mode of ubuntu phone? | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | JanC, iirc they come from a dconf key and you can add as many as you want (not sure if the UI/design copes though) | 15:59 |
| Z3 | I would like to install gnome-panel package so my desktop is a classic desktop | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | i doubt that | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | the convergence requires Mir and unity8 ... you might be able to run apps through Xmir but i doubt that would work for a full desktop | 16:00 |
| Z3 | I hope it works some day | 16:01 |
| Z3 | I like classic desktops | 16:01 |
| Z3 | :) | 16:01 |
| popey | i doubt we'll make any effort to get that working | 16:02 |
| popey | others might though | 16:02 |
| popey | like the kde guys did for plasma | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:02 |
| Z3 | cool | 16:02 |
| Z3 | I can't wait to the convergent device of this year | 16:02 |
| Z3 | thank you for the information | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | well, i could imaggine you could run xfce or a classic gnome UI "on top" of unity ... and that means literally on top, covering the original desktop :) | 16:02 |
| Z3 | mmm it would be fine for me ! | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | but that would higly increase your ram usage and stuff | 16:03 |
| Z3 | I understand | 16:03 |
| Z3 | thank you again | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | (and i'm only guessing, nobody will invest in making such a thing work) | 16:03 |
| Z3 | maybe the community | 16:04 |
| JanC | currently the "favourites" in the apps scope are already in the sidebar launcher too, not sure how useful that is :) | 16:04 |
| Z3 | well, if you have the buttons on the main desktop, you don't have to swipe to see the bar | 16:05 |
| Z3 | is more efficient | 16:05 |
| Z3 | you have to do less things to get the same | 16:05 |
| JanC | or maybe it should be possible to select a "favourites" category | 16:05 |
| JanC | allowing the user to populate that category | 16:06 |
| Z3 | that would be great | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | Z3, do you actually use an ubuntu phone yet ? | 16:07 |
| Z3 | ogra_ not yet, I installed it in my nexus 4 1 year ago or so | 16:07 |
| Z3 | but I didn't like the interface | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | just wondering :) | 16:07 |
| JanC | 1 year ago was in the stone age :) | 16:07 |
| Z3 | yeah, I guess | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | the swiping kind of gets into your genes after a while ... thats why i ask | 16:08 |
| Z3 | :) | 16:08 |
| * ogra_ never felt the need to use the apps scope for favorites --- | 16:08 | |
| Z3 | I dont like too Unity ... but in desktop is easy, I just install gnome-panel package and I get my classic desktop back | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | well, there is no "mobile gnome" | 16:10 |
| Z3 | I hope there is some day | 16:10 |
| Z3 | :) | 16:10 |
| * ogra_ dooubts that | 16:10 | |
| mhall119 | Z3: you might have better luck hoping that plasma-mobile is usable | 16:10 |
| JanC | it will probably not run on Mir though | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | they missed the train when the nokia n700 was recent | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | and never caught up | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | JanC: shouldn't matter, lightdm would be able to launch Wayland-based sessions | 16:11 |
| Z3 | mhall119 I will read about that | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | mhall119, it wouldnt do convergence most likely though | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | not sure where wayland stands there | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: no, I don't think that's in the works, even for plasma | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | but i doubt it has ever been their focus | 16:12 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: as far as I know it hasn't, they focus on having the same screen for the life of a session | 16:12 |
| JanC | mhall119: that assumes Wayland runs well on Android drivers? :) | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | JanC, sure | 16:12 |
| mhall119 | JanC: it should | 16:12 |
| mhall119 | with libhybris anyway | 16:12 |
| Elleo | JanC: jolla use wayland on android drivers | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | right, jolla and ubuntu phone arent to far apart in system design | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | so does plasma-mobile on the Nexus 5 images | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | (ors is more elegant indeed ... with the android bits in the container and all :) ) | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | *ours | 16:13 |
| DonkeyHotei | there's nexus5 images of plasma-mobile? | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | DonkeyHotei: yes | 16:13 |
| Z3 | thank you very much for the info! byeeee | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | but technically they are pretty close | 16:13 |
| Z3 | :) | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | DonkeyHotei: http://kubuntu.plasma-mobile.org/ | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | they even make use of ubuntu-device-flash to install it :) | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | those are a plasma-mobile session on top of an Ubuntu Touch base, just like we provide Unity 8 sessions on top of it | 16:15 |
| DonkeyHotei | how would i point multirom to that? | 16:16 |
| mhall119 | DonkeyHotei: no idea, sorry | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | i doubnt that would work without patching | 16:17 |
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| imi | hi | 17:03 |
| imi | so... on #gentoo the guys say that you can provide me an URL about how to install gentoo on a samsung galaxy note 2 | 17:05 |
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| dobey | good luck with that then | 17:09 |
| jgdx | imi, s/gentoo/ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/n7100 | 17:10 |
| imi | I don't think a cellphone OS (Ubuntu on this exact machine) is not commercially viable until the cellular radio component is work in progress... I mean, all my respect to you guys, but my arguments are then still valid: | 17:16 |
| imi | hi, we really need to have a way to be able to install Sabayon/Gentoo on any smartphone | 17:16 |
| imi | as the age of PCs fade, the age of Linux can fade as well, which would be bad | 17:16 |
| popey | troll elsewhere imi | 17:17 |
| imi | ok. first of all, it meant to be serious. please prove me wrong, if some of the information escaped my attention. I never meant to be a troll. | 17:19 |
| jgdx | imi, okay, then you'll have to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/ — the samsung g note 2 is a community port, which is why cellular does not yet work. | 17:21 |
| imi | ok thanks | 17:22 |
| imi | will it mean on the long run (in 1-2 years) that it would be as easy to install Linux on any smartphone as on a PC? | 17:23 |
| imi | I mean, a fully functional Linux? | 17:23 |
| jgdx | imi, that depends on smart phone manufacturers. | 17:24 |
| imi | how and why it's more easy with a PC? My concern is that PC sales are declining (while smartphone sales are rising) | 17:26 |
| jgdx | imi, I don't know, but i know of a place where you can search for stuff like that. | 17:29 |
| imi | ok. thank you then. | 17:30 |
| imi | I think we need a strategy for this issue. is there a channel to discuss this? | 17:31 |
| dobey | a strategy for what issue? | 17:50 |
| dobey | as long as cellular hardware manufacturers continue producing tightly controlled proprietary hardware, you're not going to have a single image that can be installed on any phone | 17:51 |
| dobey | and if you want Sabayon/Gentoo, this is the wrong channel to discuss anyway. this channel is about Ubuntu | 17:51 |
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| alesage | greetings Friday folks, having some trouble seeing my krillin via adb/fastboot, seeing this kind of thing in dmesg on host http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11974820/ any hints? | 18:32 |
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