[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:56] <moritz31> hey someone here ?
[09:01] <ogra_> only 312 people it seems
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy System Administrator Appreciation Day! 😃
[09:04] <mardy> mzanetti: hi! Does the open app store support multiple versions of the same app (for different frameworks and architectures)?
[09:11] <moritz31> can someone maybe help me with porting to the z3tc, think i got a problem because of sony's custom mkbootimg
[11:47] <junk0xc0de> hi there. i need to port Ubuntu Touch to my Android Phone (Lenovo A526). where should i start, what should i do?
[11:47] <k1l> there was a porting guide somewhere in the wiki pages
[11:47] <guest42345> junk0xc0de, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[11:47] <junk0xc0de> guest42345, tnx
[11:47] <guest42345> have fun
[11:48] <k1l> afaik, if cm runs on the device its not that hard.
[11:48] <ogra_> we switched to AOSP a while ago ...
[11:49] <k1l> which i could try for the good old hp touchpad since there are some cm ports for that.
[12:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, bug 1480284
[12:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_,
[12:37] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck figuring out the issue with the fix-network branch?
[12:38] <kenvandine> mandel, i've reproduced the problem seb128 had seen, it just doesn't find any updates
[12:38] <kenvandine> mandel, i really want to get that fixed, because fixing the u1 credential is dependent on that branch
[12:39] <mandel> kenvandine, I have a working branch on it, but I first have to finish the integration of pulse audio with the trust store, I'll move back to system-settings in a few hours
[12:39] <mandel> kenvandine, you should have an updated MR today
[12:39] <kenvandine> mandel, thx!
[12:40] <kenvandine> mandel, if you want to propose a branch based on the fix-network-errors branch, that would be easiest
[12:40] <mandel> kenvandine, ok, will do that
[12:40] <kenvandine> thanks!
[12:44] <Guest8495> this is gonna sounds like a silly question.. but where the heck do you get the touch OS image ?  I can only find the developer preview.... but from what I understand.. they are shipping a phone with an os ?
[12:45] <k1l> Guest8495: you need a special image for every device. we dont have a ubuntu cd  for all smartphones like we do have on pcs.
[12:46] <Guest8495> ohhh  ok...  so I guess im out of luck trying to get it on my chinese phone..
[12:46] <k1l> which device is it?
[12:46] <Guest8495> its a mlais mx
[12:47] <k1l> you could look out if someone did the job of porting ubuntu-touch to it already. ir you could start it yourself: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[12:49] <Guest8495> hmm
[12:49] <Guest8495> looks like quite a bit of work lol
[13:14] <ProstheticS> hey ogra, i saw in a conversation you talking to some of the kde devs about being making images that are easily flashable to swap between plasma mobile/unity front ends (as i assume the rest of the stack is fairly unchanged, mir->unity wayland->kde , being the larger differentiators
[13:14] <ProstheticS> that'd be pretty damn awesome
[13:14] <ProstheticS> (im running on a meizu and to be able to see what they're doing on it would rock)
[13:19] <ogra_> ProstheticS, right
[13:20] <ogra_> they need to create the prerequisites for that first though ... like a seed and meta package for plasma
[13:21] <ProstheticS> no doubt, not really saying all this to push you or anyhting, more just commenting on how awesome that would be, and i imagine you would also love to play with the above as well :)
[13:23] <ProstheticS> did i read somewhere that they think plasma mobile will be able to run android apps?
[13:24] <ProstheticS> if they get that going (shashlik i beleive the softwares called) do you think you guys will try and port its display portion to run no mir so that ubuntu touch can run em too?
[13:24] <ProstheticS> i guess, with all these being recent announcements no thought has really gone into this yet though :p
[15:51] <Z3> Hi! It's possible to create a customized scope with only the icons of your favorite applications in a similar way to android "classic" desktop?
[15:51] <Z3> And remove the other scopes
[15:54] <JanC> Z3: that should be possible, but why not use the sidebar launcher for that?  (or do you have too many "favourite apps" for that?)
[15:54] <Z3> JanC I just want  that ubuntu phone desktop look similar to android
[15:55] <Z3> I like desktop with icons
[15:55] <Z3> I would like to configure my ubuntu phone in that way
[15:55] <JanC> why not use Android then?  ;-)
[15:55] <Z3> because what's under the desktop is completely different :-)
[15:55] <Z3> I will have a computer in my pocket, console linux apps ...
[15:55] <JanC> but, like I said, it should be possible to create a scope like that, I guess
[15:56] <Z3> Ok, thank you ! :-)
[15:56] <JanC> the developer docs should have info about creating scopes
[15:57] <Z3> mmm
[15:57] <Z3> so it's not possible for the end user?
[15:57] <JanC> seems like the main apps scope can't be removed though
[15:57] <ogra_> you could disable everything but the apps scope
[15:58] <Z3> perfect
[15:58] <Z3> that's the scope I want
[15:58] <ogra_> that would pretty much look like it i guess
[15:58] <Z3> :)
[15:58] <Z3> great !
[15:58] <JanC> well, it's not (only) your "favourite apps"
[15:58] <Z3> ok
[15:58] <ogra_> no, its 6 or 8 favorites by default and all the rest underneath
[15:58] <Z3> and the final question
[15:59] <Z3> great
[15:59] <Z3> that's enough for me
[15:59] <ogra_> (6 or 8 depending on the device)
[15:59] <Z3> it would be fine
[15:59] <Z3> ok
[15:59] <JanC> ogra_: it's possible to change those 6 or 8?
[15:59] <Z3> my other question is: it's possible (when convergence arrives) install another desktops for the desktop mode of ubuntu phone?
[15:59] <ogra_> JanC, iirc they come from a dconf key and you can add as many as you want (not sure if the UI/design copes though)
[16:00] <Z3> I would like to install gnome-panel package so my desktop is a classic desktop
[16:00] <ogra_> i doubt that
[16:00] <ogra_> the convergence requires Mir and unity8 ... you might be able to run apps through Xmir but i doubt that would work for a full desktop
[16:01] <Z3> I hope it works some day
[16:01] <Z3> I like classic desktops
[16:01] <Z3> :)
[16:02] <popey> i doubt we'll make any effort to get that working
[16:02] <popey> others might though
[16:02] <popey> like the kde guys did for plasma
[16:02] <ogra_> yeah
[16:02] <Z3> cool
[16:02] <Z3> I can't wait to the convergent device of this year
[16:02] <Z3> thank you for the information
[16:02] <ogra_> well, i could imaggine you could run xfce or a classic gnome UI "on top" of unity ... and that means literally on top, covering the original desktop :)
[16:03] <Z3> mmm it would be fine for me !
[16:03] <ogra_> but that would higly increase your ram usage and stuff
[16:03] <Z3> I understand
[16:03] <Z3> thank you again
[16:03] <ogra_> (and i'm only guessing, nobody will invest in making such a thing work)
[16:04] <Z3> maybe the community
[16:04] <JanC> currently the "favourites" in the apps scope are already in the sidebar launcher too, not sure how useful that is  :)
[16:05] <Z3> well, if you have the buttons on the main desktop, you don't have to swipe to see the bar
[16:05] <Z3> is more efficient
[16:05] <Z3> you have to do less things to get the same
[16:05] <JanC> or maybe it should be possible to select a "favourites" category
[16:06] <JanC> allowing the user to populate that category
[16:06] <Z3> that would be great
[16:07] <ogra_> Z3, do you actually use an ubuntu phone yet ?
[16:07] <Z3> ogra_ not yet, I installed it in my nexus 4 1 year ago or so
[16:07] <Z3> but I didn't like the interface
[16:07] <ogra_> just wondering :)
[16:07] <JanC> 1 year ago was in the stone age  :)
[16:08] <Z3> yeah, I guess
[16:08] <ogra_> the swiping kind of gets into your genes after a while ... thats why i ask
[16:08] <Z3> :)
[16:08]  * ogra_ never felt the need to use the apps scope for favorites ---
[16:09] <Z3> I dont like too Unity ... but in desktop is easy, I just install gnome-panel package and I get my classic desktop back
[16:10] <ogra_> well, there is no "mobile gnome"
[16:10] <Z3> I hope there is some day
[16:10] <Z3> :)
[16:10]  * ogra_ dooubts that 
[16:10] <mhall119> Z3: you might have better luck hoping that plasma-mobile is usable
[16:10] <JanC> it will probably not run on Mir though
[16:11] <ogra_> they missed the train when the nokia n700 was recent
[16:11] <ogra_> and never caught up
[16:11] <mhall119> JanC: shouldn't matter, lightdm would be able to launch Wayland-based sessions
[16:11] <Z3> mhall119 I will read about that
[16:11] <ogra_> mhall119, it wouldnt do convergence most likely though
[16:11] <ogra_> not sure where wayland stands there
[16:12] <mhall119> ogra_: no, I don't think that's in the works, even for plasma
[16:12] <ogra_> but i doubt it has ever been their focus
[16:12] <mhall119> ogra_: as far as I know it hasn't, they focus on having the same screen for the life of a session
[16:12] <JanC> mhall119: that assumes Wayland runs well on Android drivers?  :)
[16:12] <ogra_> JanC, sure
[16:12] <mhall119> JanC: it should
[16:12] <mhall119> with libhybris anyway
[16:13] <Elleo> JanC: jolla use wayland on android drivers
[16:13] <ogra_> right, jolla and ubuntu phone arent to far apart in system design
[16:13] <mhall119> so does plasma-mobile on the Nexus 5 images
[16:13] <ogra_> (ors is more elegant indeed ... with the android bits in the container and all :) )
[16:13] <ogra_> *ours
[16:13] <DonkeyHotei> there's nexus5 images of plasma-mobile?
[16:13] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: yes
[16:13] <Z3> thank you very much for the info!   byeeee
[16:13] <ogra_> but technically they are pretty close
[16:14] <Z3> :)
[16:14] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: http://kubuntu.plasma-mobile.org/
[16:14] <mhall119> they even make use of ubuntu-device-flash to install it :)
[16:15] <mhall119> those are a plasma-mobile session on top of an Ubuntu Touch base, just like we provide Unity 8 sessions on top of it
[16:16] <DonkeyHotei> how would i point multirom to that?
[16:16] <mhall119> DonkeyHotei: no idea, sorry
[16:17] <ogra_> i doubnt that would work without patching
[17:03] <imi> hi
[17:05] <imi> so... on #gentoo the guys say that you can provide me an URL about how to install gentoo on a samsung galaxy note 2
[17:09] <dobey> good luck with that then
[17:10] <jgdx> imi, s/gentoo/ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/n7100
[17:16] <imi> I don't think a cellphone OS (Ubuntu on this exact machine) is not commercially viable until the cellular radio component is work in progress... I mean, all my respect to you guys, but my arguments are then still valid:
[17:16] <imi> hi, we really need to have a way to be able to install Sabayon/Gentoo on any smartphone
[17:16] <imi> as the age of PCs fade, the age of Linux can fade as well, which would be bad
[17:17] <popey> troll elsewhere imi
[17:19] <imi> ok. first of all, it meant to be serious. please prove me wrong, if some of the information escaped my attention. I never meant to be a troll.
[17:21] <jgdx> imi, okay, then you'll have to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/ — the samsung g note 2 is a community port, which is why cellular does not yet work.
[17:22] <imi> ok thanks
[17:23] <imi> will it mean on the long run (in 1-2 years) that it would be as easy to install Linux on any smartphone as on a PC?
[17:23] <imi> I mean, a fully functional Linux?
[17:24] <jgdx> imi, that depends on smart phone manufacturers.
[17:26] <imi> how and why it's more easy with a PC? My concern is that PC sales are declining (while smartphone sales are rising)
[17:29] <jgdx> imi, I don't know, but i know of a place where you can search for stuff like that.
[17:30] <imi> ok. thank you then.
[17:31] <imi> I think we need a strategy for this issue. is there a channel to discuss this?
[17:50] <dobey> a strategy for what issue?
[17:51] <dobey> as long as cellular hardware manufacturers continue producing tightly controlled proprietary hardware, you're not going to have a single image that can be installed on any phone
[17:51] <dobey> and if you want Sabayon/Gentoo, this is the wrong channel to discuss anyway. this channel is about Ubuntu
[18:32] <alesage> greetings Friday folks, having some trouble seeing my krillin via adb/fastboot, seeing this kind of thing in dmesg on host http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11974820/ any hints?