[04:16] <mappps> hey
[07:02] <SuperEngineer> A good bit of inexpensive fun [£1.99 on Steam]: "notGTAV" - simple, small, old time, brilliant
[07:03] <SuperEngineer> ...one of those games where even the intro makes you smile.
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:56] <popey> morning
[09:59] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:38] <webpigeon> Morning o/
[10:38] <orothusuk> Morning
[10:38] <webpigeon> :)
[12:08] <daftykins> D-Link in 'stupid looking router' competition: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ2K41001&cm_re=dlink_ac3200-_-33-127-573-_-Product
[12:13] <penguin42> wow
[12:13] <penguin42> yes
[13:17] <Hanra> Hello, is this an appropriate place to ask for help with a boot issue?
[13:23] <brobostigon> we can help, yes, atleast try, but we arent official support.
[13:28] <daftykins> brobostigon: now you've done it ;)
[13:29] <brobostigon> he was abit quick to leave as well.
[13:30] <daftykins> always the way
[13:30] <ChunkzZ> anyone own a raspberry pi 2?
[13:30] <daftykins> i'm sure someone does, what would the next question be?
[13:31] <shauno> anyone own only one?  ;)
[13:31] <shauno> I seem to stockpile them without trying
[13:31]  * brobostigon haz three, two old, one new.
[13:33] <brobostigon> daftykins: maybe like that nutter from the other week, who just serially abused everyone.
[13:33] <daftykins> Hanra: welcome back, so... boot issue?
[13:33] <Hanra> Yes
[13:34] <brobostigon> more informstion please.
[13:34] <Hanra> I am dual booting windows 8.1 and ubuntu 14.04
[13:34] <Hanra> after a recent windows update when I start up I get as far as a screen which says :
[13:34] <Hanra> "error:unknown filesystem."
[13:34] <Hanra> "grub rescue >"
[13:34] <Hanra> Now, I have several live cds
[13:35] <Hanra> but putting them into my dvd drive does nothing
[13:35] <Hanra> boot password is unknown (but annoyingly set)
[13:35] <daftykins> what kind of device is it?
[13:35] <Hanra> this is a laptop
[13:35] <daftykins> you need to invoke a boot menu and select the optical drive explicitly
[13:35] <daftykins> what brand?
[13:35] <Hanra> invoking the boot menu (f12) shows no optical drive
[13:35] <Hanra> acer aspire
[13:36] <daftykins> err, as in one of the dinky netbook things?
[13:36] <Hanra> I do, weirdly, have about 50 entries just marked HDD, then the windows boot manager at the bottom
[13:36] <daftykins> or a proper chunky 15" laptop?
[13:36] <brobostigon> or maybe, said windows update tried to replace windows's bootloader with grub and broke the whole thing and all thats needed is reintalling grub?
[13:36] <daftykins> 50? O_O
[13:36] <Hanra> Laptop
[13:36] <Hanra> and yeah, 0_0 indeed
[13:36] <daftykins> so you don't have ubuntu on a flash drive?
[13:36] <daftykins> only DVDs?
[13:37] <Hanra> that also didn't work
[13:37] <Hanra> might not have been ubuntu but my flatmate has *something* on a flash drive
[13:37] <daftykins> hrmm
[13:37] <Hanra> so far I have tried :
[13:37] <Hanra> set root=(hd0,6)
[13:37] <daftykins> sounds to me like incorrect configuration of the BIOS to get these boot devices to work
[13:38] <Hanra> yeah, I would agree there
[13:38] <Hanra> if I had the bios password I would fix that
[13:38] <brobostigon> was there a bios update as well? to change its config?
[13:38] <daftykins> why is there a password that you don't know on your own machine? is it a work system?
[13:38] <Hanra> I got it from a friend whose dad was trying to sell PCs with Linux pre-installed
[13:39] <Hanra> there is every possibility that he thought it was "more secure that way"
[13:39] <daftykins> so contact and ask for it
[13:39] <Hanra> Currently in Atlanta apparently and uncontactable
[13:39] <Hanra> Spoke to my friend rather than his dad
[13:40] <Hanra> there's a chance that I did it myself in a moment of "clarity" which I have since forgotten
[13:40] <Hanra> I understand there is a way to do this without a live CD?
[13:40] <brobostigon> would a bios reflash get rid of said bios passwrd?
[13:40] <daftykins> did what, set a password? :P
[13:40] <daftykins> brobostigon: nah doubt it
[13:40] <Hanra> Brobostigon, I was also under the impression that was an option
[13:40] <brobostigon> daftykins: i would agree, just worth checking.
[13:40] <daftykins> Hanra: well it's a total mess given your circumstances
[13:41] <Hanra> am going to try taking out the CMOS battery in a bit but that requires taking apart most of the laptop
[13:41] <daftykins> yeah
[13:41] <Hanra> On the off chance...
[13:41] <Hanra> what would happen if I took out my laptop's HDD and put it into my flatmate's laptop?
[13:41] <daftykins> that won't help you
[13:42] <brobostigon> you could copy the data off it.
[13:42] <Hanra> I have already copied the boot data onto this pi
[13:43] <Hanra> I can hook the HDD up to an external mount thingy (technical term)
[13:43] <daftykins> Pi o0
[13:43] <daftykins> personally i'd get past the BIOS password issue regardless of this problem
[13:44] <Hanra> but am assuming the handy tools like update-grub wouldn't be able to update a mounted drive rather than the main system?
[13:44] <daftykins> you're unable to enter and change settings to even fix things properly, that's a huge roadblock i wouldn't tolerate
[13:44] <Hanra> daftykins : I agree and now I know about it it's on my TODO list
[13:44] <Hanra> the main concern is that I work from home and my main work laptop is out of action
[13:45] <Hanra> I could boot up into windows but *hiss*
[13:45] <Hanra> also that side of things hasn't got all the tools, vm stuff etc. that I'm used to using
[13:45] <brobostigon> its probably worth starting with trying to update grub incase windows with said update, did mess with grub.
[13:46] <brobostigon> however for that, you need to boot off somethign else which cant be done yet.
[13:46] <daftykins> so what *is* listed on the boot menu?
[13:46] <Hanra> one mo
[13:47] <Hanra> 1. Ubuntu (ST9500325AS)
[13:47] <Hanra> 2. HDD: (same serial)
[13:47] <Hanra> 3
[13:47] <Hanra> 4
[13:47] <Hanra> 5
[13:47] <Hanra> 6
[13:47] <Hanra> 7
[13:47] <Hanra> ...
[13:47] <Hanra> (all those are the same "HDD" entry
[13:48] <Hanra> 9. Windows Boot Manager (ST9500325AS)
[13:48] <daftykins> mmhmm
[13:48] <Hanra> there were 109 HDD entries btw
[13:49] <Hanra> nice round number of 111 entries in total
[13:49] <daftykins> what does #2 do?
[13:49] <Hanra> Same
[13:49]  * brobostigon just had his biscuits and crisps afternoon snack. :)
[13:49] <daftykins> same as?
[13:49] <Hanra> I think the first is only named "Ubuntu" because of some fiddling I did with bootmgr when booted up in windows
[13:49] <Hanra> Same as Ubuntu
[13:49] <Hanra> although slightly less bright...
[13:49] <daftykins> so just to the grub prompt, mmk
[13:50] <Hanra> grub rescue, ayw
[13:50] <daftykins> well i think you're up a creek without a paddle personally.
[13:50] <daftykins> you could *maybe* look for BIOS updates for that system from inside Windows, but i don't think updating is going to change anything
[13:50] <Hanra> well, fyi in case anyone else hits this, the normal solution is actually quite straightforward
[13:50] <daftykins> so your main mission is to resolve booting external media so you can get a live session up and running imo.
[13:51] <Hanra> but I hit errors following it
[13:51] <Hanra> mmmk
[13:51] <daftykins> yeah i'm aware of messing around in grub to check partitions and yada yada
[13:51] <Hanra> :)
[13:51] <Hanra> fairynuff
[13:51] <daftykins> but your own mention of the issue spoke of what was it... "error unknown filesystem"
[13:51] <Hanra> yeah
[13:51] <Hanra> when I run "set"
[13:51] <daftykins> which suggests it's lost its bearing on each of the partitions perhaps
[13:52] <Hanra> it has root=hd0,gpt5 when I know that hd0,gpt6 would be correct
[13:52] <daftykins> i don't have the skills with grub rescue to list the available partitions and all that
[13:52] <Hanra> np, thanks for trying :)
[13:52] <daftykins> hang on the guy i know who's good with this has just come online
[13:52] <daftykins> let me see if he's free
[13:53] <Hanra> sure
[13:54] <daftykins> hop over to #ubuntu and EriC^^ will sort you out
[13:56] <daftykins> Hanra: do you follow?
[13:56] <Hanra> should I privately message him or just chat in the spammy chat?
[13:56] <Hanra> (sorry, was making a cup of coffee)
[13:57] <daftykins> we don't do PMs to volunteers, bad netiquette :>
[13:57] <daftykins> ah excellent, mines black :>
[14:05] <Hanra> Thanks again by the way daftykins
[14:05] <daftykins> np
[14:05] <daftykins> it's what we do!
[14:28]  * brobostigon just had, a not unsurprising discussion with his gf.
[14:34] <daftykins> "i want to switch to Linux" ?
[14:34] <daftykins> :)
[14:35] <brobostigon> she is an IOS girl unfortunatly.
[14:35] <Hanra> There are worse things to be
[14:35] <daftykins> oh dear
[14:36] <daftykins> i'm quite judgemental when i see a fruity tech device in someones hands :P
[14:36] <brobostigon> very true Hanra
[14:36] <Hanra> But surely that means they have a negative correlation of bank balance to sense and can afford to buy you a free coffee?
[14:37] <daftykins> haha
[14:37] <daftykins> i'll have to try that one
[14:38] <shauno> welp, I love my fruity devices :)
[14:38] <shauno> and you should too!  especially if you saw how horrid android was before they had something worth copying ;)
[14:38] <brobostigon> well she did buy me a new pebble for my birthday, :)
[14:39] <daftykins> ah everything was pants in the past
[14:39] <daftykins> hardly a metric for current things
[14:43] <shauno> I just think the whole rivalry is hilarious
[14:43] <shauno> we basically only benefit if neither of them win, keep the competition going.  but people get so tribal about it
[14:44] <Hanra> Apple do some lovely design work
[14:44] <Hanra> and they have *started* to be less closed-system about how they do stuff
[14:46] <daftykins> shauno: agreed, but i do find it shocking the way Apple keep reading the source of Kodi to see how they're making use of Airplay, then they change their stuff to break it
[14:46] <daftykins> that's what annoys me about them :)
[14:46] <shauno> I find almost everything microsoft do to be shocking, but it's no longer trendy to point that out
[14:46] <daftykins> nah, 'cause Apple are in vogue :D
[14:47] <shauno> like having to do a raindance to come up with privacy settings that are anywhere near acceptable.  that gets a free pass :)
[14:47] <Hanra> It's true, we should be united against the Common Foe
[14:47] <daftykins> i dunno, if you're speaking of 10 there's plenty of tinfoilers going around at the moment
[14:47] <daftykins> Windows 10 that is
[14:48] <Nokaji> M$ meteoric rise follows an age ol' pattern of criminals becoming the govt and gaining respectability
[14:48] <daftykins> oh crikey please don't bring politics into it XD
[14:49] <Nokaji> I was evoking pattern recognition
[14:49] <shauno> (and no, they don't want people using airplay like that.  that's life)
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> every new release gives chance to be the blogger who first spots the biggest flamingo up in new version of windows
[14:50] <daftykins> hehe
[14:54] <Hanra> flamingo?
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> some one hasn't watched red dwarf... a flamingo up is like a cock up only much much bigger :-)
[14:56] <daftykins> can't say i remembered that one
[14:59] <Hanra> I have certainly watched enough Red Dwarf to know that everybody is dead
[15:03] <mappps> red dwarf:D
[15:03] <mappps> i used to like that
[15:04] <brobostigon> they have been making new serials of that as well, :)
[15:07] <Hanra> Not something I'd be excited about if I were you, did you see the recent attempts?
[15:07] <daftykins> the 'Dave' channel Blade Runner rips were terrible, but the newer stuff was good i thought
[15:11] <Hanra> The most recent series wasn't too bad. The previous stuff with captain hollister wasn't too bad but back to earth was .. Urgh... and the series doesn't seem to have the same feel to it
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> well they lost half the writers
[15:29] <brobostigon> btw, my gf said about the whole, how i feel about children, question/subject. was what i was refferring to.
[15:30] <daftykins> brobostigon: ah-har
[15:30] <daftykins> that's dropping a clanger :D
[15:31] <brobostigon> oh yes.
[15:32] <Hanra> How you feel about children in relation to apple products? Are firstborns still part of the T&C?
[15:32] <brobostigon> lolz.
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> do you make the kids sign a new eula every six months?
[15:33] <brobostigon> lolz v.2
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> then hock them online when a new one comes along in 18 months...
[15:38] <Hanra> but seriously, my sympathy, you has it
[15:38] <shauno> meanwhile, trying to get a bog standard usb audio device to work properly in win7 ..
[15:40] <daftykins> USB audio :(
[15:46] <bujji> popey: hello o/))
[15:46]  * daftykins runs
[15:46] <bujji> why ))
[15:48] <daftykins> !pm
[15:48] <daftykins> we go through this dance every time bujji
[15:49] <daftykins> it is RUDE to just PM people without request, now stop it
[15:49] <bujji> friend request)))
[15:50] <popey> hah
[15:50] <daftykins> this isn't a social network
[15:50] <popey> hello bujji
[15:51] <bujji> popey: hello ))
[15:52] <bujji> popey: how is your weekend
[15:54] <Hanra> I don't suppose anyone's used grub4dos?
[15:55] <Hanra> Eric^^ has suggested I do that to get around my lack of live CD access
[15:55] <popey> Super.
[15:56] <bujji> hm great))
[15:56] <bujji> you are not repying sometimes are you busy.
[15:56] <bujji> replying*
[16:03] <Nokaji> I'm trying to install a proggie. I've added the PPA but cannot find cdrtools in either Terminal, Software Centre or Synaptic. The last two call up simpleburn in a search as if it were the same thing (it is similar)
[16:03] <popey> wasn't cdrtools replaced?
[16:04] <Nokaji> it is the replacement as far as I can tell
[16:04] <popey> ah
[16:04] <popey> my bad
[16:05] <Nokaji> cdrah, mayber I should be trying to install cdrecord
[16:05] <popey> cdrkit is the replacement
[16:05] <daftykins> using policy or showpkg would show it's coming from that newly added PPA?
[16:05] <shauno> which ppa are you using?
[16:05] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrtools
[16:05] <popey> [M#kKDebian,[14] Red Hat,[15] Fedora,[16] OpenSUSE,[17] Mandriva[18] and Ubuntu[19] dropped the versions of cdrtools with CDDL code from their distributions and switched to the Debian project created cdrkit, a fork of the last GPL-licensed cdrtools version.[20]
[16:05] <popey> i had forgotten about Joerg Schilling
[16:05] <Nokaji>  ppa:brandonsnider/cdrtools
[16:05] <Nokaji> there are two options
[16:06] <Nokaji> https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/cdrtools
[16:06] <popey> wodim is what you want?
[16:06] <Nokaji> it replaces wodim
[16:06] <popey> wodim is actually in the repo
[16:06] <popey> cdrtools isnt
[16:06] <Nokaji> problem is blu ray disc fail on burn at end
[16:07] <Nokaji> problem is K3B tries to replace buggy codecs or similar form cdrtool but fails if it cannot find it
[16:07] <Nokaji> I have to install it, for K3B to select an alternative - sounds convoluted, i know
[16:08] <Nokaji> "Brasero and K3B can't burn Blu-ray out of the box. In order to do so you have to install the cdrecord package from this PPA https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/cdrtools and in doing so you will be uninstalling wodim which is used by default and does not support BD-R media"
[16:08] <daftykins> so when you say you're burning a disc, you're not actually just throwing data onto it or burning an image - you're doing some conversion too?
[16:08] <daftykins> or some authoring of video perhaps?
[16:09] <Nokaji> I'm archiving stuff onto it, I created an image first which was succesgful, the burn failed at 99%. apparently there is an issue with the last file that is resolved by adding this package i seek
[16:10] <daftykins> ah ok
[16:13] <Nokaji> I've tried adding other PPA - it didn't take
[16:13] <Nokaji> on seconds thought, maybe it did. the erorr is unable to find a couple of sub-archives off of the ppa
[16:13] <Nokaji> still no cdrtools file though
[16:17] <Nokaji> looks like the file isn't available on the ppa "failed to fetch..." etc
[16:28] <Nokaji> okay, I'm sure the problem is CDRTools package does not exist, anywhere. That means, sadly and indeed tragically, there is no way to use my shiny new and expensive blu ray burner except perhaps as paperweight
[16:38] <brobostigon> raiders, bbc2 18:25.
[16:41] <popey> Bah, stupid Windows 10 machine has decided it no longer has the ability to send audio over dvi
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> you need to pay a monthly fee for that :-)
[16:41] <daftykins> nvidia card?
[16:41] <popey> heh
[16:41] <popey> yes
[16:42] <daftykins> their drivers are super shonky right now
[16:42] <popey> worked the other day
[16:42] <popey> suddenly it broke
[16:42] <penguin42> something updated?
[16:42] <daftykins> WU probably put another on
[16:42] <popey> driver says "no audio capable display"
[16:42] <popey> I guess so
[16:48] <penguin42> try replugging the display ?
[16:59] <Hanra> on the off-chance, anyone in Cambridge willing to help me dismantle a laptop to get at the darned CMOS battery?
[17:00] <daftykins> google the service guide, Hanra
[17:00] <daftykins> should be one knocking about if it's old
[17:00] <daftykins> may even be within reach of underside panels
[17:00] <Hanra> oh, I know what I need to do
[17:00] <Hanra> just don't seem to have the knack of these latches around the keyboard
[17:01] <Hanra> in other models the battery is *relatively* easy to get at. Here, it's under the keyboard
[17:05] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:06] <daftykins> a model number could be handy if you can share
[17:06] <daftykins> make + model
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> and get a cup to hold the 17 different sized screws you need to remove to get to it :-)
[17:06] <brobostigon> like the eeepc, it just two latches to pull the keyboard.
[17:06] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: that's optimistic ;)
[17:07] <Hanra>  Only two types of screw, so happy
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> optimism is when you expect to get them all back into the laptop :-)
[17:09] <penguin42> or not to be rattling around afterwards :-)
[17:09] <Hanra> Acer Aspire E1-571
[17:10] <Hanra> there you go
[17:15] <Hanra> urgh, this is too much faff. I'm going to find someone I can pay to do this
[17:16] <Hanra> which is something I rarely ever say :S
[17:16] <daftykins> i'd offer but there's water between England and me :D
[17:16] <Hanra> I know, our kind cannot cross water.
[17:16] <Hanra> it would cause... complications
[17:16] <daftykins> not for cheap at least
[17:17] <Hanra> so, back to trying to get grub4dos working
[17:17] <penguin42> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33746126  oh wow
[17:17]  * Hanra weeps
[17:18] <daftykins> Hanra: just get the hardware done, it's simples
[17:19] <Hanra> It's not simples
[17:20] <daftykins> http://www.insidemylaptop.com/disassembly-guide-acer-aspire-e1-531-2438/
[17:20] <daftykins> is that the victim?
[17:20] <Hanra> That is the patient, yes
[17:20] <daftykins> looks pretty straightforward
[17:20] <daftykins> and the target is to the side of the card reader
[17:23] <Hanra> well, I don't know if I have the tools or the dexterity to undo each of those latches
[17:24] <Hanra> I have a flathead screwdriver for the pushing of the latch, but nothing that hooks underneath...
[17:26] <penguin42> I don't think it needs to be a hook; just anything thin to stop it popping back down and reclicking into the latch
[17:26] <Hanra> tell a lie... stage 1 complete
[17:27] <daftykins> guitar pic thingy, plenty of choices
[17:31] <diddledan> morning
[17:33] <Nokaji> Hanra:  a digicam is a useful beast of burden if you are dismantling something
[17:33] <diddledan> penguin42: oh dear - serbian lottery!
[17:37] <daftykins> Nokaji: good call that, pics are always handy to retrace your steps
[17:37] <daftykins> and i found never start too late else come the next day you won't remember a thing :D
[17:38] <penguin42> yeh digital pictures are very useful when there are 4 connectors that can all go in one of 3 different places
[17:43] <Hanra> almost there, just got one corner not separating
[17:43] <daftykins> persuade it ;)
[17:44] <diddledan> when I persuade things I usually break the tabs
[17:44] <Hanra> it's around the audio jack and hdmi but
[17:44] <Hanra> bit
[17:44] <Hanra> (technical term)
[17:48] <daftykins> ah
[17:49] <Hanra> plastic on the case doesn't seem too happy
[17:49] <daftykins> another lurking screw?
[17:50] <Nokaji> daftykins: Thanke ye, I'm building up to answering a technical question one day :)
[17:50] <daftykins> hehe
[17:50] <daftykins> good on you!
[17:50] <Hanra> daftykins, can't see any. Might just be a stiff latch and a fragile bit of plastic
[18:02] <Hanra> so close... but bailing for a bit to make sure I'm not destroying my laptop (and to maybe cook dinner)