[07:44] <Kilos> morning all, ill be scarce at times , lotsa outside work
[07:47] <Symmetria> heh 4 hours....
[07:47] <Symmetria> well, 4 hours and 13 minutes
[07:47] <Symmetria> till I'm standing at the altar and saying I do 
[08:18] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:22] <inetpro> Symmetria: best wishes for a long and happy marriage!
[08:23] <Symmetria> thanks :)
[08:24] <inetpro> and don't forget to come back here from time to time afterwards :-)
[08:25] <inetpro> you've been way too scarce lately
[08:25] <Symmetria> lol busy is all :)
[08:26] <inetpro> np sir, enjoy the wedding day
[08:28]  * inetpro looking at Dodge power cuts with solar-powered internet http://www.fin24.com/Tech/Gadgets/Dodge-power-cuts-with-solar-powered-internet-20150220
[08:29] <inetpro> just the solution that I need 
[08:30] <inetpro> now to work out how I can get all that one step at a time
[08:35] <inetpro> looks like I could start without the solar panel and inverter
[08:55] <Cryterion> inetpro the charge controllers are not very expensive, the panels however add up as you'll want a few up them
[08:55] <Cryterion> then use a car battery, the new type's around 80-100AH rather than a normal 7AH 
[08:57] <Cryterion> And you'll need the inverter btw, true sine wave inverters are pricey, but the modified sine are fine for electronic equipment, just DON'T connect your fluorescent kitchen light to it
[08:58] <Cryterion> had one start it's own braai once (not it the appropriate place) 
[08:58] <inetpro> :-) 
[08:58] <inetpro> car batteries are expensive man 
[08:59] <inetpro> and not made to last for 4 hours 
[08:59] <inetpro> without getting charged 
[09:00] <inetpro> need a deep cycle battery 
[09:01] <Cryterion> deep cycle was the type I was looking for, most of the new car batteries are deep cycle
[09:02] <Cryterion> most new cars run at 15V now, and you must not let a deep cycle battery drop below about 10V otherwise you damage it
[09:04] <Cryterion> I have an 80AH connected directly to the 12V Sealed battery in a std UPS, allows a lot more on time than the 15mins at 650w from just the 7AH batt
[09:13] <mazal> Morning everyone
[09:19] <inetpro> Cryterion: at what cost? 
[09:36] <Cryterion> I know it adds up! That's the unfortunate part :(
[09:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:50] <Kilos> everything is one step at a time
[12:42] <inetpro> ai!
[12:43] <inetpro> looks like costs have escalated massively as well
[12:44] <inetpro> at a battery centre outlet I can get a sealed 18AH lead acid battery for R645
[12:45] <stickyboy> Man, Mac OS X font rendering is absolutely beautiful.
[12:45] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:45] <stickyboy> \o/
[13:40] <inetpro> same story, more details: http://www.htxt.co.za/2015/02/10/beat-loadshedding-on-a-budget-take-your-tech-solar-for-r1-271/
[16:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:26]  * Kilos wonders who sharky1 could be
[16:26] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 
[16:26] <Kilos> we waiting for you lug peeps
[16:27] <kulelu88> hello Kilos 
[16:27] <kulelu88> why you waiting?
[16:28] <Kilos> have you not heard of our latest venture?
[16:29] <kulelu88> nope
[16:30] <Kilos> whew i cant find it now, but read last blog so long
[16:30] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.newblog
[16:30] <Maaz> http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com
[16:30] <Kilos> i think i put a link there to ubuntutu africanteams
[16:31] <Kilos> bit busy now , will check just now
[16:35] <kulelu88> nice beard oom
[16:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:35] <Kilos> my daughter had to trim it in the photo
[16:35] <Kilos> and hair 
[16:35] <Kilos> she calls it my einstein hair
[16:36] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[16:36] <Kilos> see we made place for lugs
[16:37] <Kilos> only i only know you inna lug
[16:38] <kulelu88> I'm not part of the lug 
[16:38] <Kilos> aw
[16:38] <Kilos> you know some of them dont you
[16:39] <kulelu88> yeah. Just check meetup.com for the jozilug
[16:43] <Kilos> im bang to just join and ask them, lug peeps get offended easy
[16:45] <Kilos> they normally serious peeps 
[16:45] <kulelu88> they will get offended because it is ubuntu promo
[16:45] <kulelu88> aren't you on the mailing list?
[16:46] <Kilos> see what i mean
[16:46] <Kilos> im on many mailing lists
[16:46] <kulelu88> start the discussion in the mailing list then.
[16:47] <Kilos> i dont know if you can join thier list without first joining the lug
[16:48] <Kilos> their
[16:48] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:36] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:37] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[17:37] <Kilos> oh my mazal on a saterday
[17:37] <Kilos> hmm... gonna rain
[17:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:54] <inetpro> good evening
[17:54] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: eh,... what you been up to today?
[17:55] <Kilos> i looked at you last link
[17:55] <Kilos> slept lots
[17:55] <Kilos> chatted debs some
[17:55]  * inetpro likes the last link
[17:55] <Kilos> firefighting seems to have worn me out like never before
[17:56] <Kilos> i supposed dragging and breaking logs didnt help
[17:56] <inetpro> we need to track down that BushPower place in Midrand
[17:57] <inetpro> or find someone else who provide the 7.2Ah Lead Crystal Batteries at a reasobale price
[17:57] <Kilos> thats the trick
[17:58] <inetpro> I think 7.2 Ah will be good eneough for two hours
[17:58] <inetpro> enough as well
[17:58] <Kilos> but the bigger one would be better
[17:58] <Kilos> 18 better
[17:58] <inetpro> bigger is too expensive
[17:58] <inetpro> and won't last as long
[17:58] <Kilos> thats the prob always
[17:58] <Kilos> why
[17:59] <inetpro> Lead Crystal has a longer lifetime
[17:59] <Kilos> dont hey make large ones
[17:59] <kulelu88> does anybody use this: http://subuser.org ??
[17:59] <Kilos> or a couple in parralel should help
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: see http://www.bettabatteries.com/ and click on performance
[18:02] <inetpro> kulelu88: first time I see anything about subuser
[18:03] <Kilos> yip thats a good battery inetpro 
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: BushPower has a 70Ah one at R2700
[18:05] <Kilos> thta would be ideal but sjoe lotta bucks
[18:05] <kulelu88> are these inverters? I could use 1 for my modem
[18:05] <Kilos> batteries
[18:05] <Kilos> http://www.htxt.co.za/2015/02/10/beat-loadshedding-on-a-budget-take-your-tech-solar-for-r1-271/
[18:05] <Kilos> for that kinda setup
[18:06] <kulelu88> solar won't help when loadshedding happens in the evening
[18:07] <Kilos> thats what the battery is for
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: but I think the 70Ah would immadiately also require a better/different more expensive charge controller
[18:08] <Kilos> why
[18:09] <inetpro> requires a charging voltage of between 14.4V & 14.8V during the bulk charging phase
[18:09] <Kilos> i dont know charge controllers at all, dont they just decide when and how hard to chrge a battery
[18:09] <Kilos> its still a 12v battery right
[18:11] <inetpro> yep
[18:11] <Kilos> its all about money, one buys the best one can afford
[18:12] <Kilos> 12v battery charger should work on any 12v battery
[18:12] <Kilos> that one for the incubator can be used when power on
[18:12] <Kilos> to bosst its voltage just put a cap across the outputs
[18:13] <Kilos> that will push it to 15v
[18:13] <Kilos> iirc
[18:13] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:13] <Kilos> what
[18:13] <inetpro> a cap across the outputs?
[18:13] <Kilos> then you can wait to get a solar panel
[18:14] <inetpro> never heard of that
[18:14] <Kilos> capacitor
[18:14] <Kilos> smooths and increases the voltage
[18:14] <Kilos> i didnt have one handy at the time i think
[18:15] <kulelu88> mehh, why risk electronics worth so much with a make-shift voltage-adjuster
[18:15] <Kilos> can you read the output voltage then ill maybe remember more
[18:15] <Kilos> you are just charging a battery kulelu88 
[18:15] <inetpro> output voltage of?
[18:15] <Kilos> nothing to do with the equipment
[18:15] <Kilos> of the charger
[18:16] <Kilos> sigh
[18:16] <Kilos> there where the incubator plugs go in
[18:16] <Kilos> or were they clamps
[18:17] <inetpro> ah, I'll have to go look for that
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <inetpro> .me should return it to oom Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> iirc correctly i put in a heavier transformer so it could have more guts
[18:18] <Kilos> nono i have another one sir
[18:18] <Kilos> i built one for incubator only
[18:19] <Kilos> thats why i dont remember the voltage
[18:19] <inetpro> ok, so how do I connect the router to the battery?
[18:20] <Kilos> i think i read he spoke about some dc-dc thing
[18:20] <Kilos> router uses 12v?
[18:20] <Kilos> or 9v
[18:20] <inetpro> it needs to go via the charge controller
[18:20] <Kilos> so its 12v
[18:21] <Kilos> mine is 9v i think
[18:21] <Kilos> you must check that
[18:21] <Kilos> router uses those 2 pin charger goodies
[18:22] <inetpro> yep, the output is 12V at 1.0 A
[18:22] <inetpro> probably using much less than 1A
[18:23] <Kilos> yes i think so
[18:23] <Kilos> but then it shouldnt be hard to sort
[18:23] <Kilos> maybe just a current limiting resistor inline
[18:25] <inetpro> "...I measured my router, and it only draws 0.2 Amps on average, which equates to 2.4Wh,” Kurien told Fin24
[18:25] <Kilos> i see my router is 12v at 1.2 amp
[18:26] <Kilos> i can try mine direct on a battery and see if it blows but i dont think it will
[18:26] <Kilos> if i could see the circuit diagram i could maybre work out if it regulates internally
[18:27] <Kilos> does tobie say you need to control the input voltage
[18:27] <inetpro> Steca Solsum 6.6F 6A solar regulator is only R 275.00
[18:28] <Kilos> only
[18:28] <Kilos> thats my months data
[18:29] <Kilos> oh no R199 and some chips hehe
[18:29] <inetpro> well, you have something cheaper?
[18:29] <inetpro> something that will work when we add the panel?
[18:29] <Kilos> add what panel
[18:30] <inetpro> 50W
[18:30] <Kilos> oh the solar
[18:30] <Kilos> no maybe his regulator is a good buy
[18:31] <inetpro> yep, 50W PV panel going for R808.00 now
[18:31] <Kilos> actually needed 
[18:31] <Kilos> eish
[18:31] <inetpro> but maybe I should just get the 30W
[18:32] <Kilos> im waiting for ian to get spares then im gonna try that power from nothing thing
[18:32] <Kilos> well you basically need it to charge your battery
[18:33] <Kilos> but with the larger battery and ac charger you should be ok for a 3 hour power cut
[18:33] <inetpro> BushPower Solar Eco Charger supplies the 30W panel and the regulator for R845
[18:34] <Kilos> thats only needed when power off in the day
[18:34] <Kilos> he said he runs his gate opener from this system
[18:35] <Kilos> those motors use quite a bit of power
[18:35] <inetpro> I'm guessing he has more than one of these setups
[18:35] <Kilos> must be ya
[18:36] <Kilos> but the savings with solar to charge one battery you wont even notice on your electric bill
[18:36] <inetpro> hmm... also true
[18:37] <Kilos> so imo its a bit much to spend unless we have days with no power at a time
[18:37] <inetpro> but I need to start somehwere man
[18:38] <Kilos> did you look at the movie link i put here about 2 weeks back about fuelless power generator
[18:38] <inetpro> no
[18:38] <Kilos> was a long movie
[18:38] <Kilos> 2.5 hours
[18:39] <inetpro> and did it help you yet? Have you built your very own home made power station yet?
[18:39] <Kilos> using caps and self wound coils ant a steup transformer i think it was you make power that can run pcs and tvs etc
[18:39] <Kilos> when ive built one successfully i will feedback
[18:40] <Cryterion> http://www.mantech.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?Item=372M0901 15A Solar charge controller for R170
[18:40] <Kilos> if that works, after first outlay power is free
[18:40] <Kilos> sigh man
[18:40] <Kilos> im waiting for ian to get components and then find time to bring them
[18:41] <Kilos> there thats good for R170
[18:41] <Kilos> 15 amp will charge a battery that it cooks
[18:41] <Kilos> way too much so safe 
[18:42] <Cryterion> yep, 50W panel is nowhere near that
[18:42] <Kilos>  batteris charge lekker in few hours at about 3 amps
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: you still need connectors for output to the inverter
[18:43] <Kilos> from battery to controller
[18:43] <inetpro> for the next step
[18:43] <Kilos> then from controller to inverter?
[18:44] <inetpro> see http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2961/9f4211d6375b466982d79d76b90dd6e3.png
[18:44] <Kilos> you can connect inverters straight to battery i think
[18:44] <Kilos> oh you bypassing battery
[18:45] <Kilos> or not using one
[18:45] <Kilos> or is that right top thing supposed to be the battery
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: read the part "Controlling the charge"
[18:46] <inetpro> at http://www.htxt.co.za/2015/02/10/beat-loadshedding-on-a-budget-take-your-tech-solar-for-r1-271/
[18:46] <Cryterion> Remember as well, the cables from battery to inverter must be thick
[18:47] <Cryterion> 1 Amp at 240V is the same as 20 Amp at 12V
[18:47] <Kilos> jumper cables
[18:48] <Cryterion> Yes
[18:48] <Kilos> they cheap at checkers
[18:49] <Cryterion> those will eventually burn out, depending on how much current your using
[18:49] <Kilos> The second piece of kit, the charge controller, isn’t absolutely necessary if you really know what you’re doing, but it is a good idea all the same. 
[18:49] <inetpro> and the inverter adds an extra load, and will eventually drain the battery even if your gear is off
[18:49] <Kilos> i dont think it will be much power
[18:49] <inetpro> so the inverter is not something I want to add soon
[18:50] <Kilos> ya the inverter is the bug in the whole system
[18:50] <Cryterion> Better to have it, will prevent over charging the battery and regulates the voltage supply from the panel
[18:50] <inetpro> the laptop can run on its own battery for a long time
[18:50] <Kilos> i dont know if pro has decided on the panel yet
[18:51] <inetpro> Cryterion: but is that not the job of the rgulator to control the charge of the battery?
[18:51] <Kilos> i would first get a battery and voltage controller for router
[18:52] <Cryterion> Charge controller and regulator are essentially the same thing
[18:52] <Cryterion> If you regulating the panel to 12V then the battery cannot overcharge above 12V
[18:52] <Kilos> actually inetpro we need to go back to the start
[18:53] <inetpro> ok?
[18:53] <Kilos> WAYTTD
[18:53] <Kilos> what do you want to run when power off
[18:53] <Cryterion> An open circuit 12V panel reads about 19.5V, which means it will keep charging the battery trying to reach 19.5V
[18:53] <inetpro> Long term goal: cut the ties from the grid
[18:54] <inetpro> Short term goal: stay online when load shedding happens
[18:54] <Kilos> you said you must start somewhere
[18:54] <Kilos> ok imo shrtterm is battery and voltage controller or regulator
[18:55] <Kilos> this for lappy and router right?
[18:55] <inetpro> lappy is fine, it's the LTE router that really needs backup power
[18:55] <Kilos> you only need an inverter for something that needs 220v
[18:56] <Kilos> for router just battery and regulator 
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: well I need to charge from somewhere as well
[18:56] <Kilos> sigh
[18:56] <Kilos> you have a charger
[18:56] <Cryterion> inetpro, does your router have an external plug regulator? I.E. is there 220V or 12V going into the router?
[18:56] <Kilos> ac one
[18:57] <Kilos> 12v
[18:57] <Kilos> Cryterion  12v
[18:57] <Kilos> so for minimal outlay
[18:58] <Cryterion> Then it only needs to be connected directly to the battery, but better via a 12V regulator
[18:58] <Kilos> regulator to feed router
[18:58] <Kilos> and cable through  wall to outside with crocodile clamps for car battery
[18:58] <inetpro> Cryterion: the router has a standard two prong plug charger with input of 100-240V ~ 50/60Hz, 0.5A
[18:59] <Cryterion> You could safely go Panel ---> Regulator ----> Battery ----> Router
[18:59] <Cryterion> grrrr, then it'll need an inverter
[18:59] <Kilos> for?
[18:59] <Kilos> all 220 will need inverter
[18:59] <inetpro> output = 12.0V at 1.0 A
[19:00] <Cryterion> ah
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro  can you get your car near window where router is
[19:00] <Cryterion> then you can just take out the charger and feed battery direct to the router
[19:00] <inetpro> :-P
[19:00] <Kilos> power for a router will be fine with flex
[19:01] <Cryterion> yep
[19:01] <Kilos> to strand flex like for lights
[19:01] <inetpro> flex?
[19:01] <Kilos> day twee draaitjies wat aan mekaar geheg is
[19:01] <Cryterion> inetpro, think of speaker wire, just the cheaper type, called twinflex
[19:02] <Kilos> vit lampe en so aan
[19:02] <inetpro> link?
[19:02] <Kilos> same kinda thing
[19:02] <Kilos> speaker wirte
[19:02] <Kilos> wire
[19:02] <inetpro> ah
[19:02] <Kilos> it si on all bedside lamps
[19:02] <Kilos> is
[19:03] <Kilos> daai goed
[19:03] <inetpro> ok, ek verstaan
[19:03] <Kilos> checkers has that too
[19:03] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:03] <Kilos> night mazal 
[19:03] <inetpro> mazal: goeie nag
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:04] <Kilos> inetpro  did you answer
[19:04] <Kilos> can your car get near router room
[19:05] <Kilos> then you can try before you buy
[19:05] <inetpro> where do I get that funny connetor that goes into the router
[19:05] <inetpro> ?
[19:05] <Kilos> communica
[19:05] <Kilos> or any radio shop
[19:05] <inetpro> what do i search for?
[19:06] <inetpro> and how do I know to get the right size?
[19:06] <Kilos> you take the old charger with and show them what plug you want
[19:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:06] <Kilos> then you solder flex inside
[19:07] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:07] <Kilos> if you go to a radio or tv repair shop they will solder it for you
[19:07] <inetpro> ah, good idea
[19:07] <Kilos> might even do it free
[19:08] <Kilos> maybe even auto electricians
[19:08] <kulelu88> you old-school afrikaaner okes are solid with handywork
[19:09] <Kilos> even gremble could do it
[19:09] <inetpro> should perhaps make it so it can plug into the cigarette lighter plug
[19:09] <Kilos> you can do that too
[19:09] <inetpro> then build the other side to connect to the battery
[19:09] <Kilos> you get those plugs as well
[19:09] <Kilos> huh
[19:10] <Kilos> lighter plud on one side and other side the router plug
[19:10] <inetpro> ja man, then I can use it interchangably for other purposes
[19:10] <Kilos> oic what you mean
[19:11] <inetpro> but how do I get just 1A from the car battery?
[19:11] <Kilos> so from battery to lighter female and lighter mails for other things you want to connect
[19:12] <Cryterion> inetpro, the car lighter is probably capable of about 5A, you'll only draw what the router needs
[19:12] <inetpro> ah
[19:12] <Kilos> the router will only takes what it needs or you regulator will sort it
[19:12] <Cryterion> as long as your supply is higher than the demand then your fine
[19:13] <Kilos> car battery can reach way over 50 amps if needed
[19:14] <Kilos> just measure when starter starts turning
[19:14] <Cryterion> yeah, but the lighter plug is fused, normally about at about5A
[19:14] <Kilos> yes
[19:15] <Kilos> but not fused the way he wants to do it
[19:15] <Cryterion> then he more Amps available :)
[19:15] <Kilos> you get inline fuse holders as well
[19:16] <inetpro> so don't they sell such a fused lighter plugs with connectors to a battery?
[19:16] <Kilos> he will have more availble than what flex can handle
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> the lighter plug gets wired into cars wiring so fuse is on fuse bow
[19:17] <Kilos> you could ask a radio/tv repair shop to put a fuse holder in the flex for you
[19:17] <Cryterion> inetpro: http://www.mantech.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?Item=72M3585
[19:18] <inetpro> aha
[19:18] <inetpro> thanks Cryterion
[19:19] <Cryterion> they might have the other cable, just can't find it on their site, but they'll have all the bits to make one
[19:19] <Kilos> sjoe you can build it for much less imo
[19:19] <inetpro> that looks exactly like one of the parts that I need
[19:19] <Cryterion> just country wide, so should be a branch near you somewhere
[19:19] <Cryterion> they, not just
[19:20] <Cryterion> that's site price Kilos, I get less 20% on most stuff from them
[19:20] <Kilos> oh
[19:21] <Kilos> well her must measure the length flex he needs for starters
[19:21] <Cryterion> true
[19:21] <Kilos> always a bit longer than needed
[19:53] <inetpro> so what is it that kills a device?
[19:53] <inetpro> is the regulator / charge controller there to rgulate just the voltage?
[19:54] <Kilos> no the cureent alowed through
[19:54] <Kilos> wbb debs
[19:55] <inetpro> ah, obviously those things check the load of the battery and stop charging when it's full
[20:25] <Cryterion> Regulators regulate the voltage, but are they themselves are limited to a current rating
[20:25] <Cryterion> yes
[20:27] <Cryterion> inetpro: when you connect a voltage source to say a flat battery, the source voltage and battery voltage equalise to a state that is higher than that of the battery
[20:28] <Cryterion> this voltage continues to rise towards the original source voltage, (Hence charging mode)
[20:29] <Cryterion> the charge controller monitors this, and when that voltage reaches the right level, it disconnects the source from the battery, as battery is now full
[20:30] <Cryterion> A regulator itself just regulates the voltage, I.E. if the source is above 12V, the regulator only sends out 12V 
[21:02] <inetpro> Cryterion: ty
[21:02] <Cryterion> np
[21:04] <inetpro> how do I check the polarity of a coaxial barrel connector?
[21:04] <Cryterion> hmmm
[21:05] <inetpro> they say center-positive is the most common, but some systems use center-negative
[21:05] <inetpro> You do not want to get the polarity mixed up!
[21:06] <Cryterion> yeah, sometimes they in verse, normal is centre positive, best way is a multimetre
[21:07] <Cryterion> but coaxial cable is normally for signals and not power btw
[21:08] <inetpro> hmm... 
[21:08] <Kilos> ya
[21:08] <Kilos> whew
[21:09] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector
[21:09] <Kilos> you guys getting there
[21:10] <inetpro> guess I'm just referring to the common DC power connectors
[21:10] <Cryterion> ok, coaxial power connector is normally + centre, often there's a small picture next to the connector (Check on your Router) that'll show you
[21:10] <Kilos> ok guys, keep up the good work. see ya tommorrow
[21:10] <Cryterion> ok Kilo's, goodnight
[21:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:11] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[21:11] <Kilos> lemme know the outcome of all this tomorrow
[21:12] <inetpro> haha... 
[21:15] <Cryterion> inetpro, maybe invest in a multimetre, you can get a cheap working of the shelf one for about R60 at most hardware stores
[21:15] <inetpro> Cryterion: I have a small one
[21:15] <Cryterion> That's the ideal way to check
[21:16] <inetpro> but not sure how I would check polarity with it
[21:16] <Cryterion> put the dial onto 20VDC
[21:17] <Cryterion> Black probe into GND/COMM and red probe into VAC
[21:18] <inetpro> ah interesting
[21:18] <inetpro> just can't seem to find this thing now... will look tomorrow and see
[21:18] <Cryterion> inetpro: http://www.engineersgarage.com/tutorials/dc-voltage-current-testing
[21:19] <Cryterion> ok
[21:19] <inetpro> thanks for the link
[21:19] <Cryterion> np