[04:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:10] <didrocks> good morning
[07:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:17] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:18] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:21] <darkxst> hey seb128 didrocks
[07:21] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:21] <darkxst> anything happening with the bluez5 transition this cycle?
[07:23] <didrocks> good evening darkxst
[07:23] <didrocks> it was mentioned in the last meeting and looking for volounteers (it seems we won't block on touch and just do it)
[07:23] <didrocks> ppa needs to be refreshed and restested I guess
[07:25] <darkxst> didrocks, theres not even much in that ppa, surely there are loads more rdeps
[07:27] <darkxst> but I or Noskcaj should be able to take care of the GNOME-ish bits
[07:28] <Noskcaj> I can get help with whatever, finishing that transition finally would be great to clean up some packages
[07:29] <didrocks> that would be nice, I guess we can use a common ppa, prepare everything and land this
[07:30] <didrocks> or we can sponsor the GNOME side in that ppa if you have things ready, and just do a package copy (once we are sure the gcc5 transition is fully done)
[07:32] <seb128> darkxst, why do you think that bluez has a lot more rdepends?
[07:33] <didrocks> IIRC, we listed all direct rdepends when we built the first list
[07:35] <darkxst> didrocks, gnome-control-center update is blocked on g-o-a needing webkit2gtk source in main bug 1466290, anychance you could take a look at that?
[07:37] <darkxst> seb128, tbh I haven't looked at it since last cycle, so things may have changed, I just though it was a larger transition that what is in the ppa
[07:37] <seb128> it could be
[07:38] <seb128> didrocks, ^ do you remember the details?
[07:38] <seb128> oh, you already replied to that ;-)
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, so I'm sure I checked the list deeply
[07:39] <didrocks> and we also had an UOS on it and nobody had anything to say on the list of rdepends (but maybe they didn't check :p)
[07:39] <seb128> yeah, let's assume that the ppa list is what we need
[07:39] <didrocks> let me check the blueprint
[07:40] <didrocks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5
[07:40] <didrocks> some items were still TODO, but they are small (apart from the indicator)
[07:40] <didrocks> and u-c-c was done by larsu IIRC
[07:40] <didrocks> he just didn't change the status I guess
[07:47] <seb128> right
[08:01] <willcooke> morning!
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> yo yo!
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, how is u.k today? how was your w.e?
[08:07] <didrocks> good morning willcooke, Laney!
[08:08] <Laney> quite fine!
[08:08] <Laney> had friends over to fight the zombie invasion
[08:11] <Laney> oh and climbing on friday with free pizza :P
[08:11] <Laney> what about you?
[08:13] <seb128> w.e was great, summer weather
[08:13] <seb128> so some biking, walking around and went to the beach yesterday ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> no free pizza though
[08:13] <seb128> and now back to work, eying to that gcc transition, I've a feeling it's going to be a long one
[08:16] <Laney> oh I want to go to the beach
[08:16] <didrocks> Laney: played zombicide?
[08:16] <Laney> didrocks: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/150376/dead-winter-crossroads-game
[08:17] <didrocks> ok, I don't know that one ;)
[08:18] <Laney> it's fun
[08:18] <willcooke> oh yeah....
[08:18] <Laney> there is a team objective and each person has their own one
[08:18] <willcooke> Good morning hikiko-lpt :)
[08:18] <Laney> you have to solve both to win
[08:19] <didrocks> sounds nice, zombicide is more a group one
[08:19] <Laney> which is funny if the group needs to collect the same thing that you do
[08:19] <didrocks> hehe, I guess :)
[08:19] <Laney> "noooooooooooo I don't have any food ¬_¬"
[08:19] <Laney> (hand full of tasty food)
[08:20] <didrocks> heh, I like asymetric game as well, when you have "traitors" :p
[08:20] <didrocks> didn't play that this week-end though
[08:20] <Laney> yeah some of the personal cards are like that too
[08:20] <Laney> called "betrayal"
[08:21] <Laney> https://coggaming.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/deadofwinterbetrayal.jpg?w=600&h=412
[08:21] <Laney> muhahaha
[08:21] <didrocks> heh ;)
[08:21] <didrocks> we played cash'n'guns this week-end, the 2014 edition (new rules, way more fun): https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/155362/cah-n-guns-second-edition
[08:22] <didrocks> then, 7 wonders https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/68448/7-wonders (classical :p)
[08:22] <didrocks> and 2 more card games, one with betrayal and a classic bet one
[08:22] <Laney> did you go to that game place?
[08:23] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:23] <didrocks> horrible website, but great place!
[08:23] <didrocks> (and still 1800 games ;))
[08:24] <Laney> \o/
[08:25] <Laney> we're getting one of those
[08:25] <Laney> there was a kickstarter that got funded
[08:26] <didrocks> oh, they kickstarted this kind of place? Nice!
[08:26] <didrocks> I guess next year, we'll as well pay at the second one
[08:26] <didrocks> it has different hours of opening
[08:27] <Laney> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thedicecup/the-dice-cup-a-boardgame-cafe-in-nottingham/description
[08:27] <Laney> I've been observing the location but there's no sign of activity yet :(
[08:28] <didrocks> did you back it?
[08:29] <Laney> yup
[08:29] <didrocks> supposed to open in september, nice!
[08:30] <didrocks> ah, it's not like a NGO, you don't get a membership
[08:31] <didrocks> on the 2 of them in Lyon, one is 6€ a year, the other 9€
[08:31] <Laney> it sounds like you can buy membership to get cheaper entry
[08:31] <Laney> but don't have to
[08:32] <didrocks> the entry is free then
[08:32] <didrocks> for us
[08:32] <didrocks> well, you generally buy a drink, but that's it
[08:33] <Laney> nice!
[08:37] <darkxst> seb128, did you get a chance to look at the compiz keybindings thing? from my quick look it seems like can just switch the build-dep to u-c-c-dev
[08:37] <seb128> darkxst, no, got busy looking/helping with gcc5
[08:37] <seb128> it's still on my list
[08:37] <seb128> if you want to have a look please do
[08:38] <Laney> this is weird
[08:38] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213448270/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:39] <Laney> maybe a component mismatch?
[08:39] <seb128> yes
[08:39] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ /srv/ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-get wily-amd64 --dry-run install gnome-contacts | grep universe
[08:39] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$
[08:39] <Laney> ?
[08:40] <seb128> libchamplain is a new build-depends and in universe
[08:40] <didrocks> yeah, libchamplain itself :)
[08:40] <seb128> bah, of course it was silo built
[08:40] <seb128> and that doesn't respect components
[08:41] <Laney> lame
[08:41] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libchamplain/+bug/1463659
[08:41] <seb128> let me promote it
[08:42] <didrocks> I really wonder why the check I put in place for this (component mismatch) blocking publication has been nuked
[08:42] <Laney> file a cu2d bug? :)
[08:42] <didrocks> if anyone is interested into this, sure :p
[08:43] <Laney> haha
[08:43] <Laney> I see what you did there
[08:44] <didrocks> b:p
[08:44] <Laney> can you remember what the reason is that the ppas don't have the respect compoments option on?
[08:45] <darkxst> Laney, you can force ppa
[08:45] <darkxst> to build against main only in the dependencies page
[08:45] <Laney> I know
[08:45] <Laney> I'm asking why the "silo" PPAs don't use that
[08:46] <seb128> likely because some of the silos are used for testing things that are not ready for the archive yet
[08:46] <Laney> I can think of one reason - that it's weird to have to promote things in the archive to make builds in a PPA work
[08:46] <seb128> and you don't want the archive constrains for experimental testing
[08:47] <Laney> so have an option at assignment time that flips the switch
[08:47] <didrocks> Laney: my first idea was to do that automatically
[08:47] <Laney> but doesn't let you publish then
[08:47] <didrocks> but this wasn't in the API
[08:47] <didrocks> let me check
[08:47] <ochosi> hey folks
[08:47] <Laney> maybe nnot
[08:47] <seb128> hey ochosi, how are you?
[08:47] <ochosi> not sure any of you are interested in this and i know larsu is still not around, but i found some nice theming benefits you might be interested in
[08:47] <ochosi> seb128: good good, thanks :)
[08:48] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, we are likely interested, feel free to mp change and ping us about them ;-)
[08:48] <seb128> or just point us to the changes
[08:48] <seb128> it's more likely that we review/land things in mps though
[08:48] <ochosi> ok, i'll just quickly outline what it's about before putting together a MP, it'll be a bit of work...
[08:48] <seb128> k
[08:49] <ochosi> thing is, currently CSD pick up icons from the icon theme
[08:49] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, it seems that strict_component is only available as a GET method
[08:49] <ochosi> so if you dont use ubuntu's default icon theme, the window close, max and min buttons in CSD will differ from everything drawn by compiz
[08:50] <ochosi> but you can directly load assets (using the same icons as in compiz's decorator), so the gtk theme will always look the same, no matter what icon theme is in use
[08:50] <ochosi> so consistency++
[08:51] <hikiko-lpt> hello willcooke :)
[08:51] <ochosi> example: this is with elementary-xfce (xubuntu icon theme) http://i.imgur.com/MTAHm6g.png
[08:51] <hikiko-lpt> and everyone :)
[08:52] <ochosi> and this is with ubuntu-mono: http://i.imgur.com/MIcSLoy.png
[08:52] <ochosi> (only focus on the CSD window control icons)
[08:52] <Laney> didrocks: "checkUpload
[08:52] <Laney> Wrapper around checkUpload for the web service API. "
[08:53] <Laney> great documentation! :)
[08:53] <Laney> hey hikiko!
[08:53] <didrocks> hey hikiko! welcome! ;)
[08:53] <seb128> hey hikiko, welcome on board ;-)
[08:53] <ochosi> and this is pretty much what's needed: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/37e5c05da36368ceaf77d6a5f92c254431d47f3c
[08:53] <hikiko> hello Laney didrocks seb128 :)
[08:53] <didrocks> Laney: ahah, I'm used to launchpad doc after having used it so much, that even didn't jump in my eyes anymore ;)
[08:53] <hikiko> thanks!!
[08:54] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, not depending on the icon theme seems like it would be better indeed
[08:54] <ochosi> seb128: could also report it as a bug as a first step if you wanna discuss it internally before deciding and all
[08:56] <seb128> ochosi, I don't think there is anything to discuss "internally" here, consensus on this channel is what we need
[08:56] <ochosi> okeydokey
[08:56] <ochosi> then just lemme know ;)
[08:56] <seb128> so atm changing your icon theme without changing the gtk theme might lead to weird looking decorations, right?
[08:56] <ochosi> yeah
[08:56] <seb128> and the change would ensure the decoration are always the same
[08:56] <ochosi> just try it, change it to gnome/adwaita
[08:56] <ochosi> and you'll see that CSD buttons don't look integrated anymore
[08:57] <ochosi> yeah
[08:57] <seb128> well, not only the decorations it seems
[08:57] <seb128> the title is white and not vertically centered anymore
[08:58] <ochosi> really? only by changing the icon theme?
[08:58] <seb128> oh, no, I changed the theme in appearance ;-)
[08:58] <ochosi> ah, haha, well that changes both iirc
[08:58] <seb128> yeah, right
[08:58] <seb128> so yeah, +1 from me
[08:58] <ochosi> i guess in unity it's not such a big issue because you have "theme packages"
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, Laney, do you have an opinion on the topic?
[08:58] <ochosi> but theoretically you can bundle gnome icons with Ambiance
[08:58] <ochosi> (or even very practically)
[08:59] <Laney> seems sensible to treat those as part of the gtk theme
[09:01] <didrocks> let me backlog a little bit
[09:03] <ochosi> (btw, i don't mind waiting for larsu to return if you prefer that. don't wanna mess with his toys in his absence ;))
[09:03] <didrocks> yeah, agreed as well, sounds like they are mostly part of the gtk theme itself in practice
[09:03] <seb128> I don't think larsu feels attached to the themes
[09:04] <seb128> he's maintaining those because somebody needs to do it and nobody else was
[09:04] <ochosi> oh ok
[09:04] <Laney> you haven't seen his tattoo of his favourite rules from the ubuntu themes
[09:04] <Laney> he loves it
[09:04] <ochosi> lol
[09:07] <ochosi> k, i'll try to prep something for you to test then...
[09:07] <Laney> thanks ochosi!
[09:07] <Laney> are you coming to debconf btw? ;)
[09:09] <ochosi> Laney: would love to, but i'm starting a new job in september (and before that i'm gonna be a dad), so... ;)
[09:10] <Laney> oh!
[09:10] <Laney> doublecongrats then
[09:11] <seb128> ogra_, congrats!
[09:12] <ochosi> thanks :)
[09:12] <ogra_> seb128, thanks a lot ... but for what ? :)
[09:12] <seb128> ochosi, just curious, where/on what are going to work?
[09:12] <seb128> ups
[09:12] <seb128> ochosi, congrats!
[09:12] <seb128> ogra_, for being awake on a monday morning? ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> not like me apparently :p
[09:13] <ogra_> lol, k, that counts ...
[09:13] <ochosi> seb128: well i don't have the typical education for a technical job (phd in philosophy, my contract as a university teacher just ended), but i'm going to be software configuration manager at an austrian embedded company
[09:13] <ochosi> would've preferred a job in FOSS, but .at seems to really suck in that respect
[09:14] <Laney> some companies allow home working :)
[09:14] <darkxst> seb128, compiz fails to build, gcc5 fallout?
[09:14] <darkxst> 41: error: logical not is only applied to the left hand side of comparison [-Werror=logical-not-parentheses]
[09:14] <darkxst>       if (!screen->outputDevs ().size () > 1)
[09:15] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i wouldn't mind that. still, without the education it's not that easy to find something
[09:15] <ochosi> and i looked, the canonical jobs didn't seem to fit (everything design-related was UK/office based, everything technical required too much coding experience, and i'm only half a coder)
[09:19] <darkxst> I suppose that should be  if (screen->outputDevs ().size () <= 1) in a gcc5 world
[09:19] <Laney> darkxst: I know andyrock was saying he had fixed stuff with gcc5
[09:19] <Laney> maybe it didn't get uploaded?
[09:19] <darkxst> Laney, is there a branch somewhere?
[09:20] <Laney> probably :)
[09:20] <Laney> sorry, not very helpful
[09:21] <darkxst> Laney, nm found the MP
[09:22] <Laney> darkxst: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-043
[09:22] <Laney> I found that from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=compiz
[09:22] <Laney> dashboard is a useful link to know
[09:23] <darkxst> not seen that before
[09:24] <Laney> nod
[09:24] <Laney> so try compiz from that PPA and base any changes on that I'd say
[09:25] <Laney> iirc the CI stuff makes a branch for staged uploads like that...?
[09:34] <seb128> ochosi, k, I hope you enjoy the job still ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> darkxst, no idea, what Laney said I guess
[09:35] <ochosi> seb128: thanks, hope so too :) i guess i'll keep my eyes and ears open for FOSS related jobs. if you hear anything you think could be a fit always feel free to ping me or fwd!
[09:36] <seb128> sure, if I see anything which I think could be a fit for you I'm going to ping you
[09:37] <ochosi> thx!
[09:56]  * darkxst is also on the lookout for work!
[09:59] <Laney> haha
[09:59] <Laney> #ubuntu-desktop-jobs-please
[10:06] <darkxst> Laney, if there were actually jobs available, maybe ?!
[10:12] <xnox> ochosi: darkxst: you can subscribe to e.g. canonical job postings rss feeds
[10:13]  * xnox ponders how many openings there are in the foundations team still after so many people moved about
[10:13] <xnox> (if you are into that sort of stuff ofcourse...)
[10:13] <darkxst> xnox, I actually applied for the foundations opening
[10:14] <xnox> darkxst: how many years back, i did just that and managed to get in. took a long time however.
[10:15] <darkxst> xnox, just recently, steve was saying interviews would be soon-ish, but I see your point
[10:23] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 pitti can I get your endorsements for ubuntu-desktop packageset application? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/DesktopApplication
[10:36] <Laney> darkxst: yep from me
[10:44] <Laney> darkxst: done
[10:44] <Laney> note that for desktop you just mail our list and don't go via the DMB
[10:44] <Laney> need 3 endorsements
[10:48] <darkxst> oh ok, thanks Laney
[11:05] <ochosi> xnox: what foundation?
[11:06] <ochosi> and thanks for the hint, will subscribe
[11:27] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know any reason not to sync/merge xxv-qxl?
[11:46] <seb128> darkxst, k, I need to think a bit over it, you don't really state on that page what you want to use the rights for?
[11:48] <seb128> like is there so particular components you want to focus on?
[11:48] <seb128> for things like gtk we should still have team discussions before going ahead with changes
[11:49] <seb128> same when adding new depends or updating versions of component that impact Ubuntu Unity as well
[11:49] <seb128> if we are on agreement on that I think it's a +1 from me
[11:49] <darkxst> seb128, it would mainly be the overlapping components, and I certainly wouldn't upload anything major/breaking api without discussions first
[11:50] <seb128> k, I was just check
[11:50] <seb128> so yeah, +1 from me
[12:10]  * Laney wonders when $DELL_ENGINEER is going to come
[12:10]  * Laney backs up home directory ...
[12:16] <seb128> Laney, what are they supposed to fix/change for you?
[12:17] <Laney> keyboard
[12:17] <Laney> I get two spaces instead of one all the time
[12:17]  * Laney gpg --encrypt laney.tar.xz
[12:23] <ochosi> Laney: oh wow, that sounds annoying. i presume you've somehow fixed the broken palm detection on the touchpad?
[12:23] <Laney> no
[12:23] <Laney> I just break my wrists to type
[12:24] <Laney> want to try -libinput and/or the chrome driver
[12:24] <Laney> tbh I haven't looked at that problem very much
[12:24] <ochosi> muahaha
[12:24] <ochosi> yeah, same here
[12:25] <ochosi> i put an xorg.conf file in /etc, that helped a bit
[12:25] <Laney> laney@nightingale> synclient -l | grep Palm                                                                                                                                                          ~ PalmDetect              = 0
[12:25] <Laney> that probably doesn't help
[12:25] <ochosi> at least with the general touchpad thingy
[12:25] <ochosi> but yeah, the palm detection doesn't really work
[12:25] <ochosi> can paste that one if you wanna try (unless you're generally happy with scrolling, tapping etc)
[12:26] <Laney> are you on wily/latest bios?
[12:27] <Laney> seems there's two modes the touchpad can be in and palm detect doesn't work with the better one (i2c)?
[12:28] <ochosi> i'm on vivid with bios a04, i think latest is a05, but that one fixes nothing touchpad related
[12:28] <ochosi> yeah, supposedly palm detection works better in ps2 than in i2c mode
[12:28] <Laney> seems to be a driver thing
[12:28] <Laney> so I'll try the other one but if that doesn't work then I have to wait
[12:29] <Laney> one -> drivers
[12:29] <ochosi> righty
[12:29] <ochosi> lemme know if you ever get it fixed ;)
[12:29] <ochosi> bbl, hf! (and good luck with that dell engineer)
[12:29] <Laney> that TapAndDragGesture thing is annoying
[12:30] <ochosi> yeah
[12:30] <ochosi> extremely
[12:30] <ochosi> i switched it off, still not really working for me
[12:31] <ochosi> especially with CSD and gtk3 it's terrible
[12:31] <Laney> don't know why though
[12:31] <Laney> who has the bug?
[12:31] <ochosi> and i don't even know *which* gesture that is that i should avoid
[12:31] <Laney> I usually do select stuff like that
[12:32] <Laney> is it driver or gtk?
[12:32] <ochosi> not sure
[12:32] <ochosi> likely the driver
[12:32] <ochosi> sometimes it works ok
[12:32] <ochosi> sometimes it's totally borked
[12:32] <ochosi> seems a bit random to me
[12:32] <ochosi> so probably not gtk
[12:32] <Laney> but I don't see it in other things
[12:33] <Laney> just gtk3 apps
[12:33] <ochosi> yeah
[12:33] <Laney> makes me suspicious
[12:34] <ochosi> hmm
[12:34] <ochosi> again, if you find a fix... ;)
[12:34] <Laney> If you need working palm detection, you can use xf86-input-libinput. The libinput driver supports nearly all button layouts out of the box with few additional settings.
[12:34] <Laney> that's the driver I was talking about
[12:34] <Laney> we just got that in wily thanks to tjaalton
[12:36] <Laney> might try it later today
[16:38] <bschaefer> hello, i was looking at testing a silo with unity7 on it, but there seems to be an issue with gtk bits not rebuilt with gcc5? (or unity7 depends are out of sync with gtk stuff)
[16:48] <seb128> bschaefer, hey, can you give details on the error?
[16:48] <bschaefer> seb128, not much besides if i install unity it un installs gnome-monitor
[16:48] <bschaefer> which is needed by ubuntu-desktop
[16:49] <seb128> what happen if you try to install both?
[16:49] <bschaefer> soo its flipping back and forth, if i want gnome-monitor it uninstalls unity
[16:49] <bschaefer> seb128, it says umm
[16:49]  * bschaefer gets error for you
[16:49] <bschaefer> seb128, this is with unity intsalled: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11994245/
[16:50] <seb128> is that with wily-proposed enabled?
[16:50] <bschaefer> seb128, im also on, silo28 (which ever one had the new unity changes gcc5) and im on proposed
[16:50] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:50] <seb128> there are probably unmigrated things in there still
[16:50] <seb128> don't worry too much about it
[16:50] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:50] <bschaefer> i figured it would resolve it self in a couple days
[16:50] <bschaefer> just wondering if a silo was around with that :)
[16:50]  * bschaefer didnt see one
[17:05] <Laney> bschaefer: usually you can apt-get install <package to upgrade> <package it wants to remove and shouldn't> <more packages to not remove>
[17:05] <Laney> do that repeatedly and it'll eventually tell you what the real problem is
[17:06] <bschaefer> Laney, o cool, yeah i think bregma told me to do that... ill see if i can find the package that is the main issue
[17:06] <Laney> probably is some missing rebuild for gcc5
[17:06] <Laney> right I'm off to climb some fake rocks
[17:06] <Laney> bye!
[17:07] <bschaefer> yeah  libsigc++-2.0-0v5 : Conflicts: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a but 2.4.1-1 is to be installed
[17:08]  * bschaefer just waits for the dust to settle
[17:08] <bschaefer> Laney, thanks! And enjoy!
[18:57] <mterry> darkxst, heyo!  I'm looking at bug 1466290.  Jamie said you were working on something to avoid g-c-c depending on webkit?
[18:57] <mterry> (in comment 8)
[20:18] <willcooke> yay
[20:18] <willcooke> robert_ancell, back!
[20:18] <willcooke> robert_ancell, looks like that over heating issue is the cause, and has fried my Pi
[20:45] <jcastro>  export BYOBU_CHARMAP=UTF-8 ; . ~/.bashrc
[20:45] <jcastro> whoops, sorry guys