[00:02] <nhaines> Paddy_NI: yes, but that will probably break (or at least undo) your package index.
[00:03] <nhaines> Your best bet is to apt remove any changes, do the update, and then set writeable and reinstall the packages.
[00:04] <Paddy_NI> nhaines, What do you make of the steps here to undo changes http://askubuntu.com/questions/600065/consequences-of-using-apt-get-in-ubuntu-touch
[00:04] <Paddy_NI> nhaines, My first inclination is to do as you have already mentioned however
[00:07] <nhaines> Paddy_NI: I'm not sure I saw steps there to undo the changes, unless you mean 'ubuntu-device-flash' which simply reinstalls the OS.
[00:08] <nhaines> It keeps your userdata partition, though, so your home folder contents are unchanged.  :)
[00:08] <Paddy_NI> Oh I see
[00:08] <Paddy_NI> Fair enough
[00:08] <Paddy_NI> my bad I guess I am better learning these things now
[00:09] <nhaines> Probably.  :)
[00:09] <nhaines> When the phone migrates to snappy, things are going to be a fair sight easier.
[00:11] <Paddy_NI> I am really enjoying this so far
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so we're not landing anything yet, right?
[07:32] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'm only catching up what has happened during the last two weeks :) but yes it'd look like the transition is still not ready, some of Qt packages at least are still in -proposed
[07:32] <tsdgeos> k
[07:32] <tsdgeos> same here, was out last week
[07:32] <tsdgeos> reading lots of emails :D
[07:32] <Mirv> lots of lots of!
[07:58] <Mirv> is gerry around, generally, or gone for holidays?
[08:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: good morning. good to see that most fixes you request on the wide screen new tab view are visual things. Rae changed the design after I had submitted that branch (she said she would but not when). I am currently fixing all your comments. In the meantime, you can maybe also have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/dont-lose-fullscreen-on-volume/+merge/266437 ? I am stuck trying to figu
[08:11] <nerochiaro> re out a way to test it, but other than mocking somehow Qt.application I can't see a way
[08:12] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro, good morning!
[08:12] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro, I’ll take a look shortly, thanks
[08:13] <Hawk_> where can I find the info on ubuntu touch partition layout?
[08:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: just to be sure, are you looking at page 6 of this document for the visual spec, right ? https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1woHjO8K4iqyVZZlfQ4BXL0DhYbwkEmZ7wvcUhYzHDRk/edit?pli=1#slide=id.gb81843c7e_0_42
[08:13] <Hawk_> rootstock-touch-install make use of /recovery/ and /cache/ to put files
[08:14] <Hawk_> but those android partitions are not large enough to hold the files
[08:18] <Hawk__> ...
[08:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also, how did you install the uitk staging branch on your vivid desktop ? what i do is to use debuild to create .debs, then install them with dpkg
[08:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: nothing was failing last week, but i will pull and rebuild and see what happens
[08:28] <guest42345> Hawk__, maybe here? https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/07/hacking-ubuntu-touch-index/
[08:29] <Hawk_> still trying to figure out how utouch mount the partition
[08:29] <Hawk_> I dont see any fstab in the boot.img
[08:32] <Hawk_> thanks, saw the parition layout for mediatek. very useful
[08:32] <Hawk_> gosh...cache paritition is 700MB
[08:32] <Hawk_> way way higher than android
[08:44] <ogra_> Hawk_, we use the android partitioning but with slightly adjusted sizes (as you noted), the mount process is a bit complex, the main partitions (rw and ro) are mounted from the initrd, there we also crate an fstab which has a list of the bidn mounts for writable files and dirs ... the fstab is then processed normally during boot
[08:49] <nhaines> ogra_: I'm liking the Music app on my desktop, although I don't like the blue accents much.  :)
[08:49] <ogra_> hmm, i havent tried it on the desktop yet :)
[08:49] <nhaines> ogra_: it does what it says on the tin.  :)
[08:50] <Hawk_> thanks, orgra. I am looking through the scripts/touch and it seem fstab is not required.
[08:50] <ogra_> it is needed for writability
[08:51] <Hawk_> where is it suppose to be located?
[08:51] <Hawk_> in the userdata?
[08:51] <Hawk_> does not seem to be in boot.img or system.img
[08:52] <ogra_> scripts/touch processes $root/etc/system-image/writable-paths and creates an fstab along that
[08:52] <ogra_> (inside the initrd)
[08:52] <Hawk_> i see. make more sense now
[08:53] <Hawk_> I have not flash the ubuntu part into the userdata partition. apparently, this is why it boot but black screen
[08:53] <Hawk_> only falshed boot.img / system.img
[08:54] <Hawk_> was hoping to get some display. :)
[08:54] <Hawk_> pardon my ignorance. quite familiar with android...
[08:54] <Hawk_> totally clueless on touch. :(
[08:54] <ogra_> what device is that ?
[08:54] <Hawk_> sony xperia L
[08:55] <ogra_> and wheer did you get the image ? ?
[08:55] <Hawk_> compile from scratch
[08:55]  * ogra_ wasnt aware there is any recent working port
[08:55] <ogra_> ah
[08:55] <Hawk_> dont think there is any image available
[08:55] <Hawk_> trying to do a port
[08:55] <ogra_> well, you wont get any graphical output until the UI session starts
[08:56] <Hawk_> ok...it took me a while to realise
[08:56] <Hawk_> i am going to try and get the ubuntu part into the data partition
[08:57] <ogra_> the GPU driver lives inside the android container, so only after the container is up Mir can even attempt to start ... and usually there are no graphical consoles enabled on android kernels
[08:57] <ogra_> (which is why you see the bootloader logo untuil Mir fires up the UI session(
[08:57] <nhaines> ogra_: needs a teletype driver.  :)
[08:58] <Hawk_> ok. i did try turning on the framebuffer console
[08:58] <Hawk_> guess it might not work without some hack
[08:58] <Hawk_> it didnt work of course. :)
[08:58] <ogra_> yeah, likely
[08:58] <Hawk_> i was still at android mindset
[08:58] <ogra_> your boot loag should be in /proc/last_kmsg though
[08:58] <Hawk_> i cant get the last_kmsg
[08:59] <ogra_> you shoudl be able to reboot to recovery and read it from there
[08:59] <Hawk_> since this phone cant force shutdown without removing the battery
[08:59] <ogra_> (a working CM recovery would do )
[08:59] <Hawk_> recovery is working
[08:59] <ogra_> oh, why is that ? there should be a panic timeout set in the kernel
[09:00] <Hawk_> isnt the last_kmsg store in the ram?
[09:01] <ogra_> yes
[09:01] <Hawk_> yeah. i cant boot into recovery without taking out the battery
[09:01] <Hawk_> the phone does not get into adbd for me to do software reboot to recovery
[09:02] <Hawk_> anyway, the main issue is that I did not flash the ubuntu part into the "/data" partition
[09:02] <Hawk_> i need to do that and see where it goes
[09:03] <Hawk_> thanks for the pointer, it help to clear the way
[09:04] <Hawk_> apparent any port on xperia seem to be very dated
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Watermelon Day! 😃
[09:35] <cimi> hey seb128, do you want to help me with debugging that usb keyboard today or another time?
[09:37] <seb128> cimi, this afternoon is fine, I've a meeting at 12utc before whenever you want after that
[09:38] <cimi> seb128, fine
[09:55] <tsdgeos> we're not using the spreadsheet anymore for landings?
[09:57] <ogra_> tsdgeos, theer were mails about it
[09:57] <tsdgeos> ogra_: ok, i'll read those 400 emails and i'll be back :D
[09:57] <popey> wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain still points to spreadhseet. it should be updated
[09:58] <ogra_> "ANNOUNCEMENT: Train Spreadsheet now fully migrated"
[09:58]  * popey edits the wiki
[10:11] <robcar> Hello
[10:14] <robcar> I got a brand new MX4; what's the best place to post questions about Ubuntu Phone?
[10:15] <nhaines> It depends on the nature of the questions.  askubuntu.com, probably.
[10:18] <guest42345> robcar, and maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=460
[10:19] <robcar> so far I've used ubuntuforums.org, ok I'll keep using this one then
[10:19] <popey> robcar: here is also fine
[10:20] <davmor2> robcar: here, askubuntu.com, the forums, the mailing list
[10:23] <robcar> Ok, one thing I posted to the forum and didn't get a reply. Is it possible to stream music from the device to the car stereo via bluetooth A2DP?
[10:23] <nhaines> Yes, but only if the right profile is supported by the device.  Some of them report themselves in strange ways.
[10:23] <nhaines> This should improve in 15.10, I suppose.
[10:25] <robcar> Ok, so far I only managed to pair the phone with the car stereo, but it seemed that only phone/message function was advertised (didn't try it though).
[10:27] <robcar> Speaking of music: I installed CuteSpotify and I noticed that when the phone screen locks the music stops. Is it something that can be managed somehow?
[10:27] <popey> yes and no
[10:28] <popey> you can install 3rd party apps to hold other apps open
[10:28] <popey> but by default apps are suspended when in background (with a few exceptions)
[10:39] <kissiel> popey: good morning!
[10:40] <jgdx> robcar, i just filed this [1] in case you should be affected by it. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1480865
[10:41] <popey> kissiel: hi
[10:42] <kissiel> popey: got a fresh version of checkbox
[10:42] <popey> super
[10:42] <kissiel> popey: https://launchpad.net/checkbox-touch/trunk/1.2.1/+download/com.ubuntu.checkbox_1.2.1_multi.click - the click
[10:42] <kissiel> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11992191/ - the notes
[10:42] <kissiel> :)
[10:42] <popey> doing now
[10:42] <kissiel> popey: \o/
[10:48] <popey> kissiel: all done
[10:48] <kissiel> popey: thank you!
[10:49] <Mirv> popey: thanks for updating the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain, I was just about to do that
[10:53]  * mpt marks a “Low” bug as a duplicate of a “Critical” bug
[10:53] <jgdx> mpt, does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound specify what should happen if there are multiple sound outputs (speakers, headset, bluetooth)?
[10:54] <mpt> jgdx, “This definition does not yet take into account simultaneous use of multiple audio outputs (for example, headphones for an audio call and speakers for music).”
[10:54] <mpt> Is that currently possible anyway?
[10:54] <jgdx> mpt, yeah, and it's a source of pain
[10:55] <mpt> ok, please report a bug with steps to reproduce :-)
[10:55] <jgdx> mpt, bug 1480865
[10:56] <mpt> jgdx, I thought you meant a case where different sounds legitimately played through different outputs at the same time
[10:56] <mpt> That bug is just a case of choosing the wrong primary output, right?
[10:57] <jgdx> mpt, okay, well, no. If it did play through multiple outputs it would actually alleviate the pains a bit.
[10:57] <jgdx> mpt, correct, it's failing to choose the primary output, but I can't possibly see how it could make that decision on it's own
[10:58] <jgdx> ios lets you choose in this case
[10:58] <popey> np Mirv
[10:58] <mpt> jgdx, how is that not covered by “Whenever headphones or a headset are connected, they should be the primary output for as long as they are connected.”?
[10:58] <ogra_> mpt, not for everything ;)
[10:59] <ogra_> i.e. you probably want the ringtone to go off in parallel on the speaker and headphone
[11:01] <jgdx> mpt, right, so that's covered. Thanks
[11:02] <jgdx> there's a case when I go running and have to drive inbetween. Your spec forces me to disconnect the headset to get music via bluetooth.
[11:03] <jgdx> very pre-industrial
[11:05] <mpt> jgdx, tell me about this pre-industrial music, it sounds intriguing
[11:05] <mpt> jgdx, drive inbetween where? Drive to where you’re going to be running?
[11:08] <mpt> ogra_, the Phone app might specify that the ringtone should always be played through speaker, never through headset. I called it “primary sound output” because it’s not necessarily “only”.
[11:08] <jgdx> mpt, it's Bach, but I meant that the disconnection was pre-industrial—the music is like steam I have to redirect physically
[11:08] <jgdx> mpt, and I'm running up two mountains that are miles apart
[11:08] <ogra_> mpt, well, i want it also on my headset while the phone is in the pocket and i cant hear it because of teh loud music indeed :)
[11:09] <morphis> cyphermox: ping
[11:09] <nhaines> Android plays ringtones and notifications through both the phone speaker and the headset or Bluetooth device.
[11:09] <mpt> ogra_, the Phone app should also mute and/or pause music for the duration of a ringtone and/or call. If it doesn’t, that’s a separate bug.
[11:10] <nhaines> Probably not headset *and* Bluetooth device, although I haven't tested *that* yet.  ;)
[11:27] <jgdx> morphis, re: “RFC- Having a bluetooth service to handle pairing”: Didn't seb128 suggest a solution already? Either a trusted helper or Unity8?
[11:27] <morphis> jgdx: he did, I just wasn't sure if that is the "common" way to do such things
[11:28] <jgdx> morphis, if you find a common way, do tell :)
[11:28] <morphis> hehe
[11:42] <Elleo> Mirv: heya, I've added a patch to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework/+bug/1474690 which'll allow the keyboard to work under Qt 5.5
[11:45] <morphis> seb128, charles: any estimate when you will merge https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/ubuntu-system-settings/bt-always-do-async-calls?
[11:45] <cimi> seb128, when you want...
[11:49] <seb128> cimi, I've a meeting in 10 minutes, after that I ping you
[11:49] <cimi> ok
[11:49] <Mirv> Elleo: thanks a lot, building soon! it should help testing Qt 5.5 further since keyboard is quite critical, although I wonder how the GCC 5.0 transition might affect testability right at the moment.
[11:50] <seb128> morphis, I've been busy with gcc5 transition work previous week, I hoped that charles or cyphermox would review that one
[11:50] <morphis> ah ok
[11:50] <seb128> morphis, unsure about "land", we have some backlog on settings and kenvandine lines some landings already
[11:50] <seb128> but the mp should be reviewed today or tomorrow I think
[11:50] <morphis> seb128: thanks!
[11:50] <seb128> yw!
[11:52] <Elleo> Mirv: yeah, the image I was testing on was from either thursday evening or friday morning so I'm not sure if the gcc5 switch had happened yet; there's also a branch for the keyboard build failure but that can't land without the rest of 5.5 as it needs to add a dependency on libqt5xcbqpa5 for its tests
[11:54] <Mirv> Elleo: that was right before it started happening, and now it's happening so I'm not sure about the results plus I'd probably need to rebuild all of Qt 5.5 with GCC5 etc.. anyhow, taking your branch :)
[11:55] <Mirv> Elleo: yes, I'll simply use the ubuntu-keyboard branch for the 5.5 landing silo (whichever year the 5.5 landing is able to happen..) because of these xvfb running tests now needing that extra package
[11:55] <Mirv> Elleo: a big thank your for that too
[11:56] <Mirv> a functional keyboard is a really useful for others to fix their bugs, and to run tests
[11:56] <Elleo> Mirv: no worries :)
[12:15] <cwayne> mariogrip: hey, i found a typo on https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[12:47] <robcar> jgdx: alas, I miss the 1st prerequisite :(
[12:48] <robcar> my car stereo is not receiving music via bluetooth, btw thanks
[12:48] <jgdx> robcar, what kind of car do you have?
[12:49] <mariogrip> cwayne: where? also i made an issue page on github for the webpage: https://github.com/ubports/webpage-devices/issues I will also push the source
[12:52] <robcar> jgdx: Toyota Verso
[12:52] <jgdx> robcar, newer? Like 2012-2015?
[12:53] <robcar> with an S3 android I was able to stream music (but no songs/album titles nor covers)
[12:53] <robcar> Yeah, like that
[12:53] <jgdx> robcar, right.. then I have the same car available. Could you file a bug?
[12:53] <jgdx> I can confirm it
[12:56] <robcar> but I thought you were able to play music via car stereo, as far as I could see from the 1st prerequisite that you listed
[13:00] <jgdx> robcar, in my volvo, yes, but I haven't tested in my mom's Yaris, which i expect will have the same stereo as yours.
[13:00] <mpt> kemmko, bug 1426278
[13:00] <jgdx> robcar, since I also get no artwork streaming to that stereo from android
[13:02] <robcar> ok, thanks. Tonight I'll try to connect again and will file a bug then
[13:04] <robcar> I got another question; it seems I cannot get new emails notifications with Dekko
[13:04] <sauraedron> hi, phablet-dev-bootstrap downloads the whole repo right? is there a way to download not all commits, but until last X commits, so that i dont have to download all of the 15 gigs ?
[13:06] <DanChapman> robcar: that's because of the app lifecycle policy. Dekko get's suspended when in the background so there is no way to know if there is new mail or notify about it.
[13:20] <robcar> DanChapma: ok, thanks. This background thing is good for battery savings but on the other hand it gives those kind of issues
[13:23] <ogra_> robcar, it will start owrking once there is a system service that can provide these things
[13:26] <nhaines> robcar: as ogra_ said, it's a work in progress.  :)
[13:31] <sauraedron> hi, phablet-dev-bootstrap downloads the whole repo right? is there a way to download not all commits, but until last X commits, so that i dont have to download all of the 15 gigs ?, and is it possible to resume the command ?
[13:42] <jgdx> !ask | sauraedron
[13:43] <jgdx> I mix !ask and !patience. :s
[13:44] <sauraedron> sorry
[13:46] <dobey> jgdx: well, it has been 30 minutes and numerous joins happened in that time. :)
[13:47] <jgdx> dobey, askubuntu is perfect for that :)
[13:47] <dobey> ogra_: or once the mail servers in question support push notificataions (which would be much better than maintaining an IMAP connection in background)
[13:50] <nhaines> dobey: I suspect a system service could just poll for new messages every x minutes and not maintain the connection.  :)
[13:51] <dobey> slangasek: btw, looks like some of the other packages from ubuntu-touch-meta also need updates; ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev still depends on libboost1.55-dev which libboost1.58-dev conflicts with
[13:51] <dobey> nhaines: i'm sure it could, but that's worse than keeping a connection for IDLE to work
[13:52] <dobey> push notifications would be optimal though; gmail at least supports it for android/ios afaik; would be nice to convince google that push notifications support for ubuntu would be good too
[13:55] <nhaines> I would install something on my shared hosting (or actually even my droplet) if it could ping all my accounts and send push notifictions.  :)
[13:59] <seb128> on what component should audio routing bugs be reported?
[13:59] <seb128> e.g bug #1480865
[14:00] <seb128> rsalveti, ogra_, ^ you might know?
[14:01] <ogra_> seb128, i would guess against pulse ... not sure though
[14:01] <rsalveti> put it to pulse for now
[14:05] <cimi> seb128, still busy?
[14:06] <seb128> rsalveti, ogra_, thanks
[14:06] <seb128> cimi, no, now is fine
[14:07] <seb128> cimi, so what are you trying to pair and what is happening?
[14:07] <cimi> seb128, so, a keyboard on the phone, I have a notification with "insert pin" and 0000 in the entry - on the desktop instead I have a 6 digit code, 148654 "type that to your kbd and press enter"
[14:08] <seb128> what device do you try to pair?
[14:08] <seb128> do you know what pairing protocol is used?
[14:08] <cimi> seb128, tried on arale, nexus 4, nexus 7
[14:08] <cimi> seb128, how do I check all of this?
[14:09] <cimi> on the desktop works
[14:09] <cimi> I have this "type those 6 digits on the keyboard and press enter"
[14:10] <seb128> what keyboard model do you use?
[14:10] <mardy> Mirv: hi! Are you back from holidays? :-)
[14:11] <cimi> seb128, an anker keyboard
[14:11] <cimi> seb128, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Ultra-Slim-Aluminum-Keyboard-Windows/dp/B00BKW2410
[14:12] <dobey> nhaines: well, i guess it wouldn't be hard to write something for dovecot to send push notifications; for people running their own servers. just need a bit of integration outside the IMAP protocol perhaps, to integrate auth to hook things up
[14:12] <morphis> cimi: can you reproduce this with debugging logs enabled?
[14:12] <morphis> cimi: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingBluetooth
[14:13] <morphis> seb128: from what I saw in the settings code you're already listening for the pin/passkey signals so it should work ..
[14:13] <seb128> cimi, can you try to "sudo stop bluetooth"
[14:13] <seb128> from an adb command line
[14:14] <seb128> cimi, then "sudo bluetoothd -n -d"
[14:14] <seb128> then try to pair
[14:14] <seb128> and see what the log says
[14:14] <seb128> morphis, yeah, pairing works fine here, but the only keyboard I tried uses ssp
[14:16] <morphis> seb128: if the desktop queries cimi for his keyboard also for a six digits PIN than his keyboard should use SSP too
[14:16] <morphis> also amazon quites "Syncs with your devices via Bluetooth 3.0"
[14:18] <Mirv> mardy: yes!
[14:19] <seb128> morphis, cimi, just tried with my keyboard (logitech k480), it works fine still with a mx4
[14:19] <seb128> bluetoothd log has
[14:19] <seb128> bluetoothd[3673]: src/agent.c:agent_display_passkey() agent_display_passkey: 872130,0
[14:19] <seb128> the code shows on the phone
[14:20] <mardy> Mirv: cool :-) I have something for you :-) What do you think of bug 1433442?
[14:20] <morphis> seb128: does it also comes through the UI?
[14:20] <seb128> yes
[14:20] <seb128> I see the code on the settings side
[14:20] <seb128> and digits are removed 1 by 1 as I enter them
[14:21] <seb128> which is how it was working when I implemented the ssp pairing ui
[14:21] <seb128> so I guess there is something specific/different in cimi's config
[14:21] <morphis> removed 1 by 1?
[14:21] <Mirv> mardy: sounds reasonable, although would you want it for Qt 5.4 too? there's no ETA yet on when 5.5 can be landed
[14:21] <seb128> morphis, the UI it tells you "type 872130<return>"
[14:21] <seb128> morphis, you need to type the code on the physical keyboard
[14:22] <Mirv> mardy: and if 5.4 yes, then would you like it not only for wily but also the OTA:s? wily is on 5.4.2, vivid+overlay at 5.4.1.
[14:22] <seb128> morphis, when you hit the keys it updates what is left to type
[14:22] <seb128> like type 1234 -> 234 -> 34 -> 4
[14:22] <morphis> on the phone?
[14:22] <seb128> yes
[14:22] <seb128> we get a callback every time a digit is entered and mask one of the numbers
[14:23] <morphis> from bluez?
[14:23] <seb128> yes
[14:23] <morphis> ok
[14:23] <seb128> morphis, see DisplayPasskey() on https://kernel.googlesource.com/pub/scm/bluetooth/bluez/+/4.101/doc/agent-api.txt
[14:24] <mardy> Mirv: ah... well, my primary reason is the phone, so I'd like to have it on the OTA:s, if possible
[14:24] <seb128> morphis, the callback is called after each keypress with an updated "entered" value
[14:24] <Mirv> mardy: right, makes sense. ok, triaging, I'm not sure if I can make it hit the next OTA though or only the one after that, but let's see.
[14:24] <morphis> seb128: ok, never noticed the entered parameter
[14:25] <seb128> :-)
[14:26] <morphis> seb128: so what is the actual problem you have?
[14:26] <seb128> morphis, it's not me, it's cimi, I'm trying to help him debug
[14:26] <seb128> waiting for his log
[14:26] <seb128> morphis, --> zyga (~zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga) a rejoint #ubuntu-touch
 seb128, so, a keyboard on the phone, I have a notification with "insert pin" and 0000 in the entry - on the desktop instead I have a 6 digit code, 148654 "type that to your kbd and press enter"
[14:26] <morphis> ah ok
[14:27] <seb128> morphis, it looks like the settings get confused/shows the UI for the wrong pairing mode or something
[14:27] <morphis> so he is queried for a PIN but should have been quiered for a passkey
[14:27] <cimi> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993429/
[14:29] <seb128> cimi, nothing after the "Requesting agent authentication"?
[14:29] <mardy> Mirv: cool, many thanks! Let me know if I can help :-)
[14:29] <cimi> seb128, some other crap
[14:30] <cimi> seb128, but this is what I receive when I tap connect and i see the notification
[14:30] <seb128> cimi, can you pastebin those craps in case?
[14:31] <cimi> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993445/
[14:33] <seb128> cimi, is there anything in .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log?
[14:34] <Mirv> mardy: np!
[14:44] <Elleo> kenvandine: is it currently possible to create ContentItems without transfers for moving files? I know we discussed it a bit in the past, but can't remember if anything had been implemented
[14:44] <kenvandine> i think you can
[14:45] <Elleo> kenvandine: okay, will give it a try
[14:45] <kenvandine> Elleo, let me know how it goes :)
[14:45] <Elleo> heh
[14:46] <ogra_> you will know after implementing these 1500 lines of test code :P
[14:46] <Elleo> hehe
[14:49] <Elleo> mandel: have you seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager/+bug/1465568 <-- might be limiting download manager uptake a bit ;)
[14:52] <seb128> morphis, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1479445 ... do you think we should do http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993561/ ? it seems that bluez changed and that bluez5 deprecate the issue/fix, but meanwhile for vivid-overlay that might be enough to fix the bug?
[14:56] <cimi> seb128, nothing interesting there
[14:56] <seb128> cimi, no bluetooth error?
[14:57] <cimi> seb128, no
[14:57] <seb128> k, I don't know then, sorry
[14:58] <cimi> seb128, maybe 2015-08-03 15:57:54,293 - CRITICAL - Couldn't register agent at "/com/canonical/SettingsBluetoothAgent/54_73_00_00_60_00"
[14:59] <seb128> cimi, could be, though I've seen a similar warning and pairing works here...
[14:59] <seb128> also you get a dialog to display which seems to indicate the agent is working
[15:02] <cimi> seb128, yeab but the wrong one
[15:02] <cimi> seb128, how shall we proceed then?
[15:03] <seb128> cimi, somebody needs to do code debugging with the hardware
[15:05] <seb128> cimi, like rebuild u-c-c with qDebug() statements in the callbacks from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/bluetooth/agent.cpp
[15:05] <seb128> or maybe morphis has a better idea on how to debug?
[15:10] <Elleo> kenvandine: it works, but I think I might have to do it in C++ anyway so I can deal with filename collisions more elegantly; might be nice to add an option for that to the contentitem move api
[15:11] <Elleo> kenvandine: i.e. to append a number and increment it as much as needed when files already exist
[15:11] <kenvandine> Elleo, yeah
[15:12] <kenvandine> or provide an error to let the app deal with it
[15:15] <faenil> dandrader: hello :) you wrote the new directional drag gesture recognition component right?
[15:16] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, at the moment it just gives true/false for success/failure; but I don't want to use that in case it fails for some other reason, and just ends up stuck looping trying to generate unique filenames
[15:16] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:16] <kenvandine> an error enum would be much better
[15:17] <dandrader> faenil, yes
[15:17] <Elleo> yeah
[15:18] <dednick> jhodapp: do you have that bug for the media-hub crash yet?
[15:19] <faenil> dandrader: cool, do you know if there's any space for improving it? like tweaking or adding heuristics to minimiza false positives and false negatives
[15:19] <dandrader> faenil, sure. it's just a matter of priorities. if this had a high-enough priority some one would look into it
[15:20] <dandrader> faenil, so far there's no bug or work-item about it even
[15:21] <faenil> dandrader: yeah, I've got some space allocated to that :)
[15:21] <dandrader> faenil, ok, then go for it :)
[15:21] <faenil> dandrader: so, is there anything I Should be aware of before I dig into the code to try to understand what it does? :)
[15:22] <dandrader> faenil, nothing comes to mind
[15:22] <faenil> dandrader: alright, I hope it doesn't require too much unity/compositor arch knowledge :D
[15:46] <jhodapp> dednick, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1479383
[15:47] <jhodapp> dednick, but see if you can reproduce that issue on a latest image that has gstreamer 1.5.2
[15:47] <jhodapp> dednick, there's a chance that it has gone away or become a lot more rare, abeato hasn't been able to reproduce it with gst 1.5.2
[15:48] <abeato> jhodapp, anyway I have not been able to try to reproduce it in a completely clean environment
[15:49] <abeato> jhodapp, is your silo ready? I tried to install but requires gcc 5 now
[15:49] <jhodapp> abeato, yeah all wily targets are gcc5 now...I'm trying to resolve that now too
[15:50] <abeato> jhodapp, ok, please let me now when you do
[15:50] <jhodapp> abeato, bad timing...if the gcc5 image is too broken then we'll have to do this on vivid sooner than later
[15:50] <jhodapp> abeato, about to try that now
[15:50] <abeato> jhodapp, yep :-/
[16:13] <DexterF> hi
[16:14] <DexterF> I am considering a Bq Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition, but haven't found any means to run Threema on it (end2end encrypted messenger, so far Android and iOS only)
[16:14] <DexterF> is there a way to "emulate" an android api layer?
[16:14] <ogra_> nope
[16:15] <ogra_> well, you could roll a click package that includes all of dalvik or some such ... theoretically you could make it work, parctically nobody ever has
[16:17] <DexterF> I could nag the Threema guys until they port it.
[16:18] <DexterF> I'll give it a shot..
[16:20] <ogra_> DexterF, we have telegram though ... thats at least half way safe (for private encrypted chats)
[16:22] <DexterF> ogra_: yes, but I could convince bout 10% of the poeple I know to switch to Threema, if I lose another 90% switchting to Telegram there is no point using it to begin with
[16:23] <ogra_> heh
[16:37] <DexterF> how about Whatsapp?
[16:38] <dobey> ask whatsapp about it
[16:39] <ogra_> well, ask facebook :)
[16:39] <DexterF> well, I'm asking here.
[16:39] <ogra_> and what kind of answer do you expect ?
[16:39] <dobey> well it's a proprietary app. we don't have the source for it
[16:39] <ogra_> free whatsapp alternatives will be shot down by their lawyers
[16:39] <DexterF> well, that's an answer
[16:39] <ogra_> so there is no way to build one that persists
[16:40] <DexterF> Telegram uses xmpp?
[16:40] <ogra_> https://core.telegram.org/mtproto
[16:45] <DexterF> ah, MTproto, right. 2^64 at present. well, I need something half decent that has so many practical advantages to the common user to convince them to switch and have some crypto as an extra. after all, Threema is not too trustworthy either
[16:51] <dholbach> ogra_, in your web app container, is --enable-media-hub-audio anything I can or need to specify anywhere?
[16:51] <ogra_> dholbach, hmm, i havent gotten that working with out normal container yet ... is it suppoed to work ?
[16:52] <ogra_> *supposed
[16:52] <dholbach> ogra_, dbarth__ asked me to use it in the mixcloud app
[16:52] <ogra_> dbarth__, ^^ should --enable-media-hub-audio finally works now ?
[16:52] <ogra_> dholbach, yes, he asked me for the lautfm webapp too ... i recently tried it (it uses the default container) and couldnt get it working
[16:53] <dholbach> mixcloud worked for me when I last tested it
[16:55] <ogra_> when was that ? :)
[16:55] <dholbach> a while ago :)
[16:55] <ogra_> (and to answer your initial question, i didnt do any work on the alternate container in that regard yet)
[16:56] <dholbach> ok, thanks!
[16:57] <dobey> DexterF: try Signal from whisper systems then
[16:58] <dobey> it's at least open so should be possible to create a client for Signal and TextSecure on Ubuntu
[17:21] <dbarth__> ogra_, dholbach: you need the 1.8.x images from the mozilla-security ppa to get the option to be compiled in by default
[17:22] <dbarth__> there was a build issue earlier which kept it out of 1.7.x as originally released in the ppa
[19:18] <mimecar> hi
[19:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: hey, what image should we use for manta now?
[20:03] <popey> sergiusens: don't think anyone but davmor2 looks at manta with any regularity
[20:03] <davmor2> sergiusens: manta is retired as I understand it
[20:04] <davmor2> sergiusens: we only support, mako/flo/krillin/arale/vegeta
[20:04] <davmor2> sergiusens: we also have an emulator that doesn't boot
[20:05] <davmor2> sergiusens: does that help?
[20:06] <sergiusens> popey: davmor2 I ask because I was considering taking my manta to ubunconla
[20:06] <sergiusens> but if not, I'll limit myself to krillin, flo and mako
[20:07] <sergiusens> it does help :-)
[20:07] <sergiusens> less carry on ;-)
[20:07] <sergiusens> thanks
[20:07] <davmor2> sergiusens: :)
[20:09] <pmcgowan> hmm I was just about to flash my manta
[20:10] <davmor2> pmcgowan: you were the one that approved the retirement iirc ;)
[20:10] <pmcgowan> not me
[20:10] <davmor2> pmcgowan: maybe I'm dreaming then
[20:10] <pmcgowan> although I forget things
[20:11] <popey> davmor2: i have ~220 games in steam, "only" ~148 are Linux compatible.
[20:11] <popey> oops
[20:11] <popey> wrong channel :)
[20:11] <pmcgowan> I lost a bet wth kgunn_ prolly
[20:11] <davmor2> pmcgowan: there is definitely no mention of it in the ubuntu listing for vivid
[20:13] <davmor2> pmcgowan: probably lost the bet with kgunn_ sil2100 jfunk and jibel combined to be honest :)
[20:14] <pmcgowan> davmor2, do you know if it boots
[20:15] <davmor2> pmcgowan: no idea
[20:15] <pmcgowan> here goes nothin then
[20:15] <davmor2> pmcgowan: it'll be stuck on rtm
[20:15] <pmcgowan> oh
[20:15] <kgunn_> pmcgowan: i'm trying just now
[20:16] <pmcgowan> kgunn_, there is not even a rc build of it it seems
[20:16] <kgunn_> key is to include --device=manta
[20:16] <davmor2> pmcgowan: oh no rc-proposed has manta sorry
[20:17] <davmor2> pmcgowan: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/manta/
[20:17] <pmcgowan> kgunn_, which channel for u-d-f
[20:17] <davmor2> pmcgowan: not sure now why I thought it was dropped
[20:17] <pmcgowan> just ubuntu I guess
[20:17] <kgunn_> pmcgowan: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[20:17] <davmor2> pmcgowan: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[20:18] <pmcgowan> kgunn_, I will await your results
[20:18]  * kgunn_ struggles to get his into fastboot
[20:18] <kgunn_> ...and flashign
[20:19] <sergiusens> davmor2: so you lied?
[20:19] <sergiusens> :-P
[20:22] <davmor2> sergiusens, pmcgowan: it might just of been dropped as a QA requirement
[20:22] <pmcgowan> davmor2, thats true
[20:26] <kgunn_> pmcgowan: i'm getting a nice disco tablet effect....
[20:26] <kgunn_> so looks like "doesn't work"
[20:26] <kgunn_> i saw the ubuntu logo briefly, now just black and  white flicker....and heat generation
[20:26] <davmor2> kgunn_: it is here
[20:27] <davmor2> kgunn_: well at least so far
[20:27]  * kgunn_ reboots
[20:27] <kgunn_> magic
[20:27] <pmcgowan> ok I am in then
[20:28] <davmor2> pmcgowan: kgunn_ it still looks ugly
[20:29] <pmcgowan> davmor2, don't call kevin's baby ugly
[20:30] <kgunn_> ug scopes are gonna have to get relaid
[20:30] <davmor2> pmcgowan: icons are huge, scopes are rough, keyboard takes up most of the screen the list goes on
[20:31] <pmcgowan> davmor2, tweak your gus?
[20:32] <kgunn_> hmm, sidestage not bad actually with rotation pmcgowan
[20:34] <davmor2> kgunn_: you mean appart from the fact that it only moves down 2/3's of the page right?
[20:46] <kgunn_> davmor2: the fact is disappears magically on rotation...
[20:46] <kgunn_> altho it's still open in the spread....i dunno, prolly needs some ux tweak
[20:59] <pmcgowan> kgunn_, looks fine to me
[21:00] <kgunn_> pmcgowan: i think it's good enough to dev on
[21:01] <pmcgowan> for sure