| diddledan | what's the cross-platform story for ubuntu-thingies and non-ubuntu-thingies apps? | 00:13 |
|---|---|---|
| diddledan | it seems the only solution is "cordova" | 00:13 |
| diddledan | qt would be ideal except that ubuntu has components unique to ubuntu and you need to use those to get the ubuntu look-n-feel while on other platforms you just use skinned variations of the same component set (as far as I can see) | 00:14 |
| diddledan | s/the same/a single/ | 00:15 |
| diddledan | e.g. I want to target both windows and ubuntu - so how would I build a qml frontend for that? | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | qml is horrible for "actual" windows | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | Qt is a huge mess of dependencies and libs | 00:18 |
| diddledan | "actual" windows? | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | a in desktop yes | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | the best cross platform library is SDL2 by about a million miles | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | but of course it doesn't do guis | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | so almost certainly not what you want for apps | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | what most people do is write a core library, which is either a C++ library or a web API, and then make an app around it unique for each platform | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | so you have a few choices for how to make a "killer" app | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | you can make something which is effectively a webpage in an app. requires that you have access to data people can't get any other way | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | or you can write a game | 00:24 |
| diddledan | I'm not sure I get what you mean with "requires that you have access to data people can't get any other way" | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | for example all the london tube apps | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | the only alternative is to try to use the tfl webpage and that's just a joke | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | although that's a bad example because the data apis are public so there's already like a million of those apps | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | last time i checked, Qt for android will increase the size of your apk by about 75mb | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | and pretty much the same on windows | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | in comparison, gstreamer is 12mb and SDL is about 2mb | 00:29 |
| diddledan | ouch | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | it's actually a big problem for Qt that nobody uses it by default | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | except for... maemo and symbian... both dead | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | and jolla/sailfish and ubuntu, both not mainstream | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | because Qt is really a huge download if you don't already have it in your OS | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | and people hate that | 00:31 |
| diddledan | sucky nuts | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | they *might* have fixed this somewhat with Qt 5 | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | but... my expectations are low at this point | 00:32 |
| diddledan | eww - the formatting on the subpages of this page is/are evil https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/sdk-15.04/ContentHub/ | 00:47 |
| diddledan | very difficult to scan those pages without reading intently | 00:47 |
| diddledan | e.g. "parameters" pops out several times as a section title as though that is more important than the actual function name | 00:48 |
| diddledan | the vertical spacing is all wonky too - text runs-on like "destroys the remote object. this proxy object is not valid anymore.\ndirection(callback)" | 00:50 |
| diddledan | the \n is newline | 00:50 |
| diddledan | so is that sentence describing the direction(callback) bit or the bit before it with a much larger gap | 00:51 |
| diddledan | seems other parts of the html5 docs are all the same, in these regards | 00:52 |
| shauno | huh. that is indeed butt-ugly | 00:53 |
| diddledan | this is a good example: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/sdk-15.04/UbuntuUI.Dialog/ | 00:54 |
| diddledan | scroll down to the "show()" line | 00:54 |
| diddledan | Hide a dialog by removing 'active' class | 00:54 |
| diddledan | show( ) | 00:54 |
| diddledan | nice, we use "show()" to hide? | 00:54 |
| diddledan | the qml docs seem nicely formatted. so it's just the html5 side that's rather eye-raping | 00:57 |
| shauno | I was going to say it's interesting that the qml docs get it right, but they're using table-abuse instead, which I can't condone either | 00:57 |
| diddledan | grr | 00:57 |
| shauno | it's actually quite funny. eg, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/QtQuick.Drag/#dragStarted-signal | 00:58 |
| diddledan | oh god, the markup of the qml docs is evil | 00:58 |
| shauno | each one of those grey boxes they're using as a heading, is a table | 00:58 |
| shauno | a table containing a single cell in a single row | 00:59 |
| diddledan | jee | 00:59 |
| diddledan | zus | 00:59 |
| shauno | well, we know what you're doing tonight :) I expect patches by the morning! | 01:00 |
| daftykins | :D | 01:00 |
| diddledan | I'm expecting they're generated somehow. so to patch it I need to figure out how they're generated | 01:00 |
| shauno | https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms | 01:04 |
| shauno | looks convincing, since the qdoc.css the qml docs use, is in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms/files/head:/api_docs/static/api_docs/css/ | 01:07 |
| shauno | if not, it at least give away which team you need to go offer your bod^H^H^Hservices to | 01:08 |
| shauno | (also, I'm in southampton on thursday) | 01:09 |
| daftykins | woo | 01:10 |
| shauno | I know. I pick some exotic spots for summer holidays :) | 01:10 |
| daftykins | could be worse, you could go wave at my old stomping grounds in Portsmouth | 01:11 |
| daftykins | http://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/ibm-200k-macs/ | 01:12 |
| daftykins | IBM in Apple move shocker o0 | 01:12 |
| shauno | they must have read that article about putting them in racks | 01:14 |
| shauno | kinda weird to picture them moving away from thinkpads though | 01:15 |
| daftykins | indeed | 01:16 |
| daftykins | shows what Lenovo did with it perhaps | 01:16 |
| daftykins | or more just their partnership growing | 01:16 |
| shauno | intersting that for all the rage ryanair get, I actually have more frustration with other airlines | 01:29 |
| shauno | ryanair will let me checkin up to 30 days before a flight. flybe, 36 hours. so on wednesday I have to make a trip to the office on my day off, just to borrow their printer | 01:30 |
| mappps | hi n | 03:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | wut q | 03:48 |
| mappps | think il watch mr robot:) | 03:59 |
| mappps | anyone been watching humans chan4? | 05:20 |
| knightwise | morning | 05:23 |
| mappps | morn;] | 05:24 |
| knightwise | hey mappps , havent watched humans yet. Still on House of cards and Broadchurch | 05:24 |
| mappps | ahh never seen either always mant to broadchurch as bbc right? | 05:25 |
| mappps | hoc netflix? | 05:25 |
| knightwise | its on netflix now, we watched the first season on the Bbc | 05:25 |
| mappps | oh | 05:27 |
| mappps | broadcurch was bbc ..uk sho yea? | 05:27 |
| mappps | show | 05:27 |
| knightwise | correct | 05:28 |
| knightwise | the american version sux | 05:28 |
| mappps | ah didnt know there were 2 | 05:30 |
| knightwise | some lame american spinoff they did of season 1 . | 05:33 |
| zmoylan-pi | how often are remakes good? | 05:33 |
| knightwise | not too often | 05:35 |
| knightwise | https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRealHustleA3M/playlists | 05:35 |
| knightwise | ah :) interesting material for my social engineering course :) | 05:36 |
| mappps | on ep2 atm of humans..seems decent | 06:02 |
| mappps | did anyone watch that misfts another one i should watch someday | 06:02 |
| mapito | hmm | 07:44 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:10 |
| knightwise | mornin davmor2 | 08:11 |
| davmor2 | morning head songs updated and I hate Tait I am likely to travel to Derby soon to beat him mercilessly for todays song | 08:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | the birdie song? | 08:19 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:33 |
| knightwise | hey bigcalm zmoylan-pi | 08:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 08:34 |
| * knightwise is doing some remote Rsync backups to his pi | 08:35 | |
| * zmoylan-pi is testing my pillow for snooze compatibility... | 08:35 | |
| knightwise | zmoylan-pi: you lucky bugger | 08:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | bank holiday in ireland. | 08:38 |
| knightwise | true | 08:39 |
| knightwise | what holiday is this ? | 08:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | the it's the last chance of a bit of sunshine in ireland before the 13 month rainy season kicks off holiday | 08:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | forecast is a weather warning for wind and rain | 08:40 |
| davmor2 | knightwise: it's Ireland, It's get drunk day | 08:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | no it's sunday 2 so you can sober up for tuesday... | 08:46 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: ah today is sober up from being drunk day fair enough | 08:50 |
| davmor2 | popey: oh by the way todays morning head song your fault too, you and JamesTait | 08:52 |
| davmor2 | popey: although it is mostly Will Farrell faulty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRypx1lbR4 | 08:54 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:00 |
| knightwise | hey brobostigon | 09:10 |
| brobostigon | hi knightwise | 09:11 |
| foobarry | my win7 install isn't offering me a win10 | 09:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | foobarry must be on the naughty list... :-) | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Watermelon Day! 😃 | 09:25 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: for your day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAO9Vg3wQso for manday fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLBSoC_2IY8 and I hate you popey and will farrell for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRypx1lbR4 that got stuck in my head this morning | 09:31 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: did you like that :) | 10:15 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, the watermelon one melted my brain. I haven't watched the other two, I have work to do! 😝 | 10:16 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| foobarry | https://www.facebook.com/Vocativ/videos/vb.368307893181452/1047699621908939/?type=2&theater | 13:11 |
| foobarry | cool vehicle | 13:11 |
| mapito | another bad start to the da | 13:13 |
| mapito | day | 13:13 |
| knightwise | Yuck how i hate this weather | 13:29 |
| mapito | i slept badly 9-3p waking up every hr; | 13:29 |
| mapito | ;p | 13:29 |
| mapito | not even hot for here | 13:29 |
| diddledan | this looks intriguing: https://github.com/yaronn/wopr | 15:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | joshua | 15:19 |
| foobarry | barry | 15:19 |
| diddledan | dan | 15:27 |
| popey | dan | 15:30 |
| daftykins | dan! | 15:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | desperate dan the cowpie man? :-) | 15:33 |
| foobarry | i have literally no idea what is happening | 15:33 |
| davmor2 | Wouldn't you rather play a nice game of chess | 15:34 |
| foobarry | no i'd like to play thermonuclear war | 15:34 |
| foobarry | i should have clicked the link | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187065-d1077385-i39205908-Mad_O_Rourkes_Pie_Factory-Dudley_West_Midlands_England.html | 15:36 |
| MartijnVdS | so this is in my town http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33762806 | 16:48 |
| daftykins | :S | 16:49 |
| daftykins | oh i didn't know Cilla Black died | 16:56 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: found the video of that :S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHlfK0Ed8Zk | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: yeah, that was on national TV there's one from the other side as well (with a very screamy young lady) | 17:09 |
| daftykins | :S | 17:09 |
| knightwise | for anyone who has an XPS13 : Bios A05 is out! | 17:56 |
| daftykins | some guy was claiming Dell have stopped selling the developer edition o0 | 17:56 |
| popey | nah | 17:56 |
| popey | they temporarily withrew it | 17:56 |
| daftykins | hrmm, any clue why ? | 17:56 |
| popey | to integrate fixes into the factory | 17:56 |
| popey | basically qa fail | 17:56 |
| daftykins | ah | 17:56 |
| daftykins | is that why the site only says 'get pricing' now? | 17:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | dell has qa?? | 17:57 |
| * knightwise is still pretty happy with his | 17:57 | |
| davmor2 | popey: oi leave us out of it nothing to do with us ;) | 17:57 |
| popey | I didn't say it was :þ | 17:57 |
| daftykins | who is 'us' o0 | 17:57 |
| popey | he works in qa | 17:57 |
| popey | (apparently) | 17:57 |
| daftykins | oic | 17:58 |
| directhex | rare replay out tomorrow. exciting game launch! | 17:59 |
| popey | no goldeneye :( | 17:59 |
| directhex | popey: licensing for that one was basically impossible | 17:59 |
| popey | shame | 18:00 |
| directhex | donkey kong games also absent. nintendo has all the rights for those | 18:00 |
| directhex | still, viva pinata is amazing | 18:01 |
| directhex | and the less-censored n64 version of conker's bad fur day | 18:01 |
| directhex | and blast corps! blast corps is amazing | 18:01 |
| daftykins | :) | 18:02 |
| daftykins | 3pm tomorrow for the xbox gamescom event i believe | 18:02 |
| directhex | won't be watching. too busy playing blast corps! | 18:11 |
| directhex | apparently the worst thing by a wide margin in rare replay is the controls for jet force gemini being staggeringly awful | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | battletoads :) | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | popey: it has perfect dark, that's basically the same game as goldeneye | 18:30 |
| mapito | blst corps? | 18:31 |
| Nokaji | just got my blu ray semi-usable an I must say as a non-film watcher, DVD sucks for quality and blu-ray blew me away (that almost rhymes), not blur(a)y at all | 18:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | i watch most tv shows on a 7" tablet so blu ray is wasted on me. most of the films i buy are ancient so will have no benefit on blu ray. my eye sight sucks so 50"+ screen is wasted on me. | 18:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | ymmv | 18:43 |
| Myrtti_ | knightwise: does it matter which XPS13? | 18:44 |
| Nokaji | Well, i won't be watching too many movies so in that respect, it is wasted on me however for the first time in 3~4yrs (I forget), I can see the benefits of my23.5" IPS display | 18:45 |
| Nokaji | I don't watch TV either | 18:45 |
| mapito | spain time | 18:46 |
| mapito | going to chinese all you can et and drink | 18:47 |
| mapito | 20 euros;D | 18:47 |
| daftykins | o0 | 19:02 |
| directhex | mapito: blast corps was an interesting and unique n64 game | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | http://i.imgur.com/H3V0nTi.png | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | out of accelerometer, gyro, compass, which one would you think would be most affected by EM interference? | 19:15 |
| diddledan | compass | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | that's what i thought too | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | but it turns out the answer is accelerometer | 19:16 |
| diddledan | gyro should be the most stable | 19:16 |
| daftykins | surely they have very different assembly | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: they are all mems - they're all in one chip | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | anyway in the graph blue is compass, green in gyro and red is accelerometer | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | and black is motor speed | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | i suppose the accelerometer could be picking up vibration | 19:18 |
| diddledan | yes it could | 19:18 |
| ali1234 | the wheels aren't actually touching the ground though | 19:19 |
| diddledan | you should test it with an em source that isn't moving | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | indeed | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | i dunno if i have one though | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | ah i know | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | hmm okay that sent the compass off the chart | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | and nothing from the others | 19:22 |
| bittin | cool found an ssh client for Firefox :) | 19:50 |
| * zmoylan-pi has ssh client on java phone :-) | 19:52 | |
| zmoylan-pi | i even found a vnc client but haven't tested it yet | 19:53 |
| bittin | http://a.uguu.se/rzdrhe.png | 19:58 |
| popey | daftykins: btw, "fixed" my "no audio on nvidia" issue on windows 10 | 20:00 |
| popey | by removing the dvi cable and using hdmi | 20:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/617691779622637568/photo/1 | 20:03 |
| popey | retro | 20:04 |
| mgdm | is that an E61? They were cool | 20:05 |
| mgdm | wait, no | 20:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | indestructible with great battery life and does ereader, mp3s, radio, web, rss, irc, email and more. nokia asha 302. dumbphone with wifi | 20:06 |
| mgdm | The E71 is the one I was thinking of | 20:06 |
| davmor2 | popey: you know when you say fixed? worked around might be a better term ;) | 20:06 |
| popey | hence the quotes around it | 20:07 |
| davmor2 | popey: with all the steam games coming to linux now surely the real fix is to install steamos on that box and be done right :D | 20:08 |
| popey | sadly not | 20:09 |
| czajkowski | evening | 20:09 |
| bittin | hi | 20:10 |
| popey | hello czajkowski bittin | 20:10 |
| * zmoylan-pi waves from the land of supermacs... :-p | 20:10 | |
| mgdm | gettings czajkowski | 20:10 |
| mgdm | and indeed greetings | 20:10 |
| popey | davmor2: i have ~220 games in steam, "only" ~148 are Linux compatible. | 20:11 |
| davmor2 | popey: hahahaha | 20:11 |
| popey | mgdm: do you work for netgear then? | 20:11 |
| popey | shhh | 20:11 |
| mgdm | popey: heh, no... | 20:11 |
| davmor2 | popey: why are you czajkowski bitten ;) | 20:12 |
| daftykins | popey: heh, HDMI definitely wins :> | 20:15 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: tease! | 20:15 |
| popey | annoying as it worked fine for a few days then just stopped | 20:15 |
| daftykins | ah well, there was a time when i didn't believe DVI could carry audio too | 20:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | some day they may win their case against mcdonalds and set up in uk | 20:16 |
| shauno | http://www.thejournal.ie/minion-santry-2250639-Aug2015/ I don't care how off-topic this is, dublin's hilarious | 20:16 |
| shauno | I really, really want to hear that 999 call | 20:17 |
| popey | \o/ hcf | 20:18 |
| mgdm | hebridean celtic festival? | 20:18 |
| popey | Halt & Catch Fire | 20:19 |
| mgdm | ahhh - seen that on $video_service, any good? | 20:19 |
| popey | very | 20:20 |
| popey | binge watched the entire season 1 | 20:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | didn't think much of it | 20:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | loved mad men not a fan of hcf | 20:22 |
| shauno | I loved the first season. the second is watchable but not quite grabbing me the same way | 20:23 |
| popey | yeah, not seen much of s2 yet | 20:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have heard a lot of people rave about it so maybe i should try it again | 20:24 |
| mgdm | Hmm, mad men - watched about 10 episodes of it and gave up | 20:28 |
| diddledan | shauno: lmao | 21:02 |
| diddledan | the photos are required to fully appeciate the hilarity | 21:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | be glad it wasn't the states were you'd have gun happy cops taking out a cartoon character... | 21:03 |
| diddledan | "city police officials are once again warning residents not to shoot at the craft for fear of inadvertainly inciting an interstellar war" (I think that's the correct quote) | 21:05 |
| Myrtti_ | if you're in UK and in the market for a new Dyson, may I warmly recommend the Dyson Outlet on eBay. We scored a cylinder Cinetic Animal Exclusive for 250, got extra bits that neither Dyson.co.uk or Tesco Direct has in their £450-£460 bundles with the same machine. | 21:05 |
| Myrtti_ | same warranty, and from the looks of things the eBay shop is genuinely run by Dyson. | 21:07 |
| daftykins | nifty | 21:08 |
| Myrtti_ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111647436930 | 21:08 |
| Myrtti_ | ordered it on Saturday afternoon and it came by Parcelforce today | 21:09 |
| daftykins | bit confusing that it says 'doesn't post to UK' for me o0 | 21:09 |
| daftykins | heh | 21:10 |
| diddledan | daftykins: but you're not in the uk | 21:10 |
| Myrtti_ | works great with lots of embedded looooong hairs and wool on the carpet, I might add | 21:11 |
| Myrtti_ | more powerful than an upright and easier to carry, too. | 21:11 |
| * m0nkey_ sighs: Postage: Doesn't post to Canada | 21:11 | |
| Myrtti_ | aww :-( | 21:11 |
| daftykins | diddledan: i am when it suits us | 21:12 |
| m0nkey_ | ok, i need a cheap flight to the uk... | 21:12 |
| * zmoylan-pi looks at wind outside... open an umbrella? :-p | 21:13 | |
| m0nkey_ | cheapest I can find is $1050, direct. | 21:13 |
| diddledan | m0nkey_: apparently it's cheaper to use france | 21:15 |
| diddledan | m0nkey_: fly to france then train to the uk | 21:15 |
| diddledan | m0nkey_: although that example was based on it being cheaper to fly from france to ameriky via london than fly from london to ameriky | 21:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | you probably get a discount if you're willing to be tail gunner on train... :-p | 21:15 |
| m0nkey_ | what airport in france is closest to the eurotunnel? | 21:16 |
| Nokaji | aren't there websites that break down those sorts of journeys? | 21:16 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: it's not as if any helicopters really fly through the chunnel | 21:16 |
| m0nkey_ | Is it CDG? | 21:16 |
| diddledan | no idea | 21:16 |
| Nokaji | I'm sure I heard of one, it was compared to the current sites that do that for breaking up train journeys/tickets | 21:16 |
| m0nkey_ | diddledan, flight to CDG is $2 cheaper than flying direct to LGW | 21:17 |
| diddledan | hmm | 21:17 |
| diddledan | I think the taxes might be different tho | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | that includes taxes | 21:18 |
| diddledan | gotcha | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | for both flights | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | Delta is $6 more, via AMS landing in LHR | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | Oh, that's a KLM flight | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | damn this codeshare crap | 21:18 |
| m0nkey_ | If I fly with AirTransat, that means I have to deal with their sucky on-line check-in. | 21:19 |
| m0nkey_ | (it's sucky, because I used to support it) | 21:19 |
| m0nkey_ | damn.. the Transat flight is only $450, with all the taxes and crap addded on, it's over $1000 | 21:25 |
| diddledan | popey: re the matchstick that you posted a link to on twitter earlier - their original blurb seems to state "The product is fully functional today, with the hardware design final, tooling complete, and manufacturing ready to ramp up in the next 30-60 days." so I'm not understanding what the DRM problem is | 23:22 |
| diddledan | for those following-on at home, the link was kickstarter.com/projects/matchstick/matchstick-the-streaming-stick-built-on-firefox-os/posts/1266549?ref=backer_project_update | 23:25 |
| diddledan | following-along** | 23:26 |
| daftykins | o0 | 23:46 |
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